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Monday, March 25, 2019

Six Democratic committee chairs in the House sent a letter to Attorney General William Barr on Monday requesting that he submit the full report from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation to Congress by April 2.

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Tbe letter: "Your four-page summary of the Special Counsel's review is not sufficient for Congress, as a coequal branch of government, to perform this critical work. The release of the full report and the underlying evidence and documents is urgently needed by our committees to perform their duties under the Constitution. Those duities include evaluating the underlying facts and determining whether legislative or other reforms are required - both to ensure the Justice Department is able to carry out investigations without interference or obstruction by the President and to protect our future elections from foreign interference."

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From the statement:

"Attorney General Barr states that the Special Counsel did not find evidence sufficient to establish beyond a reasonable doubt, for purposes of prosecution, that the Trump campaign conspired to join Russia's election-related online disinformation and hacking and dissemination efforts, notwithstanding multiple offers from Russian-affiliated parties to assist the Trump campaign.

"Although we have confidence that Special Counsel Mueller made the right prosecutorial judgement in these two specific areas -- notwithstanding the very public evidence of Trump campaign contact with and willingness to receive support from Russian agents -- it will be vital for the country and the Congress to evaluate the full body of evidence collected by the Special Counsel, including all information gathered of a counterintelligence nature.

"The only information the Congress and the American people have received regarding this investigation is the Attorney General's own work product. The Special Counsel's Report should be allowed to speak for itself, and Congress must have the opportunity to evaluate the underlying evidence.

I agree 100%, redact the national security and personal information, release it and let the chips fall where they may.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree 100%, redact the national security and personal information, release it and let the chips fall where they may.

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 02:24 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Another rare moment where we agree.

#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-25 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2

See, you can get smarter...

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 02:56 PM | Reply


#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 02:56 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

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:)

#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-25 02:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yep. Release as much of the report as possible and let's put this baby to bed, one way or another. If Trump is exonerated, so be it. If this report shines portrays Trump in a really bad light, so be it.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-25 03:00 PM | Reply

#5 I suspect it does both, and that both sides will cherry-pick what they want. The House will launch a year-long theater investigation that will die in the Senate and everyone will talk about that instead of things like economics, immigration, national security, etc...

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-03-25 03:10 PM | Reply

Nobody is bringing up the fact that Trump was screaming from the rooftops that the American people need to see the report, that was, until the report came out and was handed to Barr.

He's been pretty quiet about it since them.

I have a feeling that there's more character damaging info in the report than "illegal" misdoings.

#7 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-25 03:10 PM | Reply

I have been consistent in wanting the entire Report to be released from May 17, 2017.

Trump is your typical sleazy NYC real estate developer, nothing more, nothing less. I think that the Report will show that he was looking for an edge in everything that he did, but that what he and his campaign did doesn't rise to the level of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which was the standard that Mueller had to reach.

The biggest benefit (other than pure transparency) of releasing the redacted report is that it will save (some) money and time for the endless investigations that the House is going to conduct for the next two years.

Get it all out there and watch the fireworks, one way or the other.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Trump is your typical sleazy NYC real estate developer, nothing more, nothing less."

Except for all the development outside NYC...
And being President...

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-25 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The biggest benefit (other than pure transparency) of releasing the redacted report"

Transparency through redaction!

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-25 03:18 PM | Reply

#7

I don't personally read much into Trump's lack of twitterbaiting on the Report other than he and his staff, by law and regulation, at this point know as much about it as we do. I am sure the fact that Mueller punted the obstruction question to Rosenstein and Barr is more than a little disconcerting, and obstruction of justice is exactly the type of high crimes and misdemeanors that leads to impeachment, but nothing other than Barr's summary provides any more information to draw much, if any, further conclusions on that score.

That is obviously where the Dems are going to push in Congress, and Trump is not out of the woods in that regard. That being said, obstruction is pretty hard to prove (like perjury, showing the requisite intent is very difficult) even at a Congressional level, so that may also be an extremely quixotic endeavor on the part of the various House Committees and Subcommittees.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 03:19 PM | Reply

#10

Unfortunately, by law National Security information must be redacted, there is no getting around that. The rest of it is open to debate and there will be plenty.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 03:20 PM | Reply

and everyone will talk about that instead of things like economics, immigration, national security, etc...

#6 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-03-25 03:10 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

same thing I've been posting nearly everyday.

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-25 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

# 6 and 13

Agreed.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 yes it will be debated endlessly.

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-25 03:35 PM | Reply

"and everyone will talk about that instead of things like economics, immigration, national security, etc..."

Talking about this is talking about national security. What's to stop Russia, Trump and his 2020 campaign form doing the same things they did in 2016 but this time to Candidate Sanders/Harris/Biden etc.? Nada. "Russia, if you are listening, can you please find Mayor Pete's emails and give them to Wikileaks?"

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-25 03:36 PM | Reply

"I have a feeling that there's more character damaging info in the report than "illegal" misdoings."

Or the "illegal" stuff may be the part that's classified and gets redacted before public viewing, but Congress, at least the intelligence committees, should get to see it.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-25 03:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Or the "illegal" stuff may be the part that's classified and gets redacted before public viewing

Your paranoia (not unjustified, IMO) here is that anything bad for Donnie Little Hands will be redacted under Executive Privilege, but that will be the biggest fight between Trump and Congress.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 04:06 PM | Reply

"Your paranoia (not unjustified, IMO) here is that anything bad for Donnie Little Hands will be redacted under Executive Privilege, but that will be the biggest fight between Trump and Congress."

I actually wasn't thinking of Executive privilege but of classified information, maybe some of it from other countries' intelligence agencies, would get redacted. Can Trump use executive privilege to redact things that pertain to his campaign, IOW, when he wasn't yet president? I know he can and will claim it with regard to the issues of obstruction once he was.

Who -- or What -- Was the FBI's Mole at the Heart of the Trump Campaign?
observer.com

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-25 04:21 PM | Reply

Losers.

#20 | Posted by sawdust at 2019-03-25 07:45 PM | Reply

#19

Okay, I thought you were referring to exec priv., I honestly don't know the answer to your question as a President Elect.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 08:14 PM | Reply


#3 | Posted by Rightocenter

--------
:)
#4 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Get a room.

#22 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-26 12:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So I'm already sick of the Dems whining AFTER the report is released. They just need to get back to work and stop wasting our money. Every one of them is hiding something.

A two term limit for all offices is the only answer...

#23 | Posted by Gr8Music at 2019-03-26 07:06 AM | Reply

Trump was the victim. The Obama administration used the FBI to start an investigation based on a report that was fabricated as a dirty trick by Hillary's campaign. His anger and attempts at defense to accusations he knew to be false are now being called obstruction? Good luck. Make sure your tickets to the impeachment are refundable.

#24 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-26 08:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem will be in the redacting. Who exactly gets to redact it and what they redact. Cherry picking of course will go both ways.

The fact that Mueller can't criminally prove collusion related charges doesn't mean it didn't happen. Just the proof for a court of law is a different matter. I'm sorry but you can't have that sort of billowing smoke and not have a fire. Of course tRump didn't help himself on the matter of collusion - several times as a matter of fact during and after the campaign. I don't believe in coincidences. Same goes for the obstruction of justice - no reason to obstruct if you aren't guilty. Mueller just opted to leave that to tRump's newest flunky who painted his picture on that before being appointed.

#25 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-03-26 09:47 AM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Do you ever get tired of spouting Republican lies and propaganda?

The investigation was initiated based on Papadopoulos, not the Steele Dossier. And Obama kept his hands completely clean. The FBI decided based upon the evidence to initiate the investigation.

And here you are defending him breaking the law, saying it was not his fault because Democrats were mean to him?

Snowflake.

#26 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-03-26 10:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Haven't read the thread yet, but I'm predicting that now that the House is controlled by Dems it's not a co-equal branch and Trump should just tell them to piss off.

Let's see how I did...

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-26 10:27 AM | Reply

Failed.

Because what righties have commented gave predictable feeble attempts at the "Trump is exonerated" nonsense.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-26 10:32 AM | Reply

Yeah, Jack P Wad. The leftie conspirators aren't the feeble ones.

#29 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-26 10:46 AM | Reply

I agree 100%, redact the national security and personal information, release it and let the chips fall where they may.

While I agree we should release it, out of sympathy, and too keep them busy. But the chips have already fallen. Everything else is gorilla dust.

Its so Zed, Laura, JPW, and the rest of the ArmyOfMisfitClinton voters can complain and whine some more bout how the system works against them.

It will never end .... might as well let the dog have a meatless bone.

#30 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-26 10:52 AM | Reply

Yeah, Jack P Wad. The leftie conspirators aren't the feeble ones.

#29 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Yeah, because simply believing whatever Trump and his minions feed you makes you strong and a bastion of intelligence and critical thought.

I don't think I've ever seen as pathetic a group of dick sucks as Trump cultists.

#31 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-26 10:58 AM | Reply

Its so Zed, Laura, JPW, and the rest of the ArmyOfMisfitClinton voters can complain and whine some more bout how the system works against them.

It's so we can see what Mueller actually found instead of the predictable "exoneration" from a Trump lackey chosen because that would be his answer.

And for the gagillionth time you brain dead moron, I voted for Hillary merely because she wasn't Trump. I couldn't and still can't stand her 95% of the time.

#32 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-26 11:00 AM | Reply

Nothing short of full release of the report will suffice.

There is one standard for criminal prosecutors and another for voters.

The fact is the law allows our executives to do things that are crimes for the rest of us.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-26 12:34 PM | Reply

Nothing says transparency like WhitewashedRussiangate:

Kate Irby @kateirby (Congressional reporter for @McClatchyDC)

Graham says Barr told him it would likely take "weeks not months" to get a version of the Mueller report viewable by the public. Said they will pass through the WH to see if they want to make redactions under executive privilege.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-26 04:15 PM | Reply

#MarchForTruth @MarchForTruth17

A four page summary does not suffice, Mr. Attorney General. There are more than 1,000 events prepared in case William Barr refuses to #ReleaseTheReport. Join us:

We will not activate yet because Mueller's findings have been handed over to AG Barr. However, if Barr/Trump hides Mueller's full, original report from the public, we will take the streets to demand that they #makeitpublic & #releasethereport. Make sure you're ready: sign up right now for a rapid response protest near you.

act.moveon.org

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-26 04:23 PM | Reply

demand! LOL

#36 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-03-26 11:18 PM | Reply

It will never end .... might as well let the dog have a meatless bone.

#30 | POSTED BY ANDREAMER

It is easy to "end" it.

Tell the truth. Let chips fall where they may.

Not going to happen tho. Is it??

Humpy is unable to tell the truth.

So Full Release is the only option. Which, of course, Humpy will not and cannot possibly allow. At least not before Nov 2020.


#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-26 11:26 PM | Reply

What I find maddening is why congress would pass a law where the heads of intelligence committees were not given access to an unredacted copy of the document along with all evidence and the rest of congress not given access to just a redacted copy of the document. It is as though they intentionally set themselves (and the country) up for endless strife and bickering. Do they not have any foresight? Do they not care about their responsibilities as a co-equal branch of government? Are politicians that effin stupid?

#38 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-03-27 04:36 AM | Reply

The decision to blame Russia was made within 24 hours of Hillary's loss. This was thought to keep campaign funds flowing while red-baiting leftist Democrats. Trump is now aggreived and in a good position to prevail in 2020 because his still suffering supporters needs have never been publicized and can be blamed on Democrats wasting time. Inciting international tensions based on self serving lies is extremely reckless and inappropriate behavior for any President. It's being caught doing what they've been blaming Trump for doing. While they were often right they have now lost all credibility. It's a major disaster.

#39 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-27 12:02 PM | Reply

The decision to blame Russia was made within 24 hours of Hillary's loss. This was thought to keep campaign funds flowing while red-baiting leftist Democrats. Trump is now aggreived and in a good position to prevail in 2020 because his still suffering supporters needs have never been publicized and can be blamed on Democrats wasting time. Inciting international tensions based on self serving lies is extremely reckless and inappropriate behavior for any President. It's being caught doing what they've been blaming Trump for doing. While they were often right they have now lost all credibility. It's a major disaster.
#39 | Posted by bayviking

--------, the whole Russian thing happened because of President Bucket of ----- actions made him highly suspect. 1,000's of lies later, scores of interactions between his campaign and Russia, and admitting to obstruction on tv just added fuel to the fire.

#40 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-27 12:10 PM | Reply

The decision to blame Russia was made within 24 hours of Hillary's loss. This was thought to keep campaign funds flowing while red-baiting leftist Democrats. Trump is now aggreived and in a good position to prevail in 2020 because his still suffering supporters needs have never been publicized and can be blamed on Democrats wasting time. Inciting international tensions based on self serving lies is extremely reckless and inappropriate behavior for any President. It's being caught doing what they've been blaming Trump for doing. While they were often right they have now lost all credibility. It's a major disaster.

#39 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING

Not sure I can agree.

Here's the huge problem for the Republicans:

The Report will come out. Clear evidence that Trump colluded won't be in it. But mountains of evidence that Russia supported the President through the primaries and election will be. And that's going to get a lot of attention. Whether Trump actually worked with them aside, the fact they pushed him over the edge and he didn't report the repeated offers by Russians to help him is going to be documented and discussed at length. The President essentially received illegal help, didn't report it, and then lied to the American people about it.

There's also something worse Republicans aren't talking about. The summary is that Trump didn't collude with the Russian government. Barr may have limited the report and potential charges to that point as that's whats in the Mueller appointment authority. There could be mountains of evidence Trump colluded illegally with Russian citizens and Russian companies that can't be proven in criminal court to be extensions of the Russian government. If Barr limited the investigation, this would still be illegal collusion and spell impeachment.

#41 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-03-27 01:25 PM | Reply

Trump's behavior from inauguration to Helsinki to Mar-a-lago is appalling when it's not unconstitutional or even criminal. He's probably had his best week ever. Democrats have been on the wrong message for years, which should concern anyone that wants real change, which is the 99 percent. Furthermore, red-baiting countries whose communist credentials are now highly suspect but who nevertheless possess nuclear weapons is dangerous.

#42 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-27 02:17 PM | Reply

This is akin to a child demanding desert before dinner, the release is not going to happen until the FedRulesCrimPro §6(e)(2) redactions are complete, which will take time.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-27 02:28 PM | Reply

Nah its more akin to Barr acting like a 13 year old; out of his league, out of line, but thinks he's a grown up and can make his own big decisions.

Only thing more pathetic are the sad citizens that actually think he's an authoritative figure in this investigation. He'd better release the report by April 2 or he'll be challenged with obstruction as well.

#44 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-27 02:32 PM | Reply

He'd better release the report by April 2 or he'll be challenged with obstruction as well.

Never going to happen, my guess is that it will be out by the 11th.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-27 02:54 PM | Reply

Barr is a cover-up artist. He got the entire Iran-Contra, Iraqgate criminal conspiracy home free. That's exactly why Trump hired him.

#46 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-27 02:59 PM | Reply

Trump is your typical sleazy NYC real estate developer, nothing more, nothing less.

No, he's definitely more than that. And your attempt to minimize his malfeasance with this sort of "everyone does it" post is bizarre, to say the least.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-27 03:06 PM | Reply

When you finally come to terms with the fact that the President isn't a secret Russian agent, you then have to come to terms with how incandescently stupid you were to clinging to that belief for 2+ years. I can therefore understand the reticence to do the former.

This was the new Birtherism--- but for people who drink $8 cups of coffee and buy grains at Whole Foods. The media bubble from which most of you people apparently absorb your information got very, very rich keeping you both agitated and hopeful. And then you got let down. Just like 2016. If I were you, I'd be mad at them. All Trump did was win an election.

You got to let it go ffs

#48 | Posted by Mao_Content at 2019-03-27 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Nobody, including a number of people who have left his staff, think Trump is smart enough to be a secret Russian agent. That was never the issue. But who doesn't think Trump c/would have entered into a quid pro quo with Putin based on greed, ego and/or kompromat? [MICE stands for money, ideology, compromise (kompromat), ego.]

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-27 03:56 PM | Reply

And your attempt to minimize his malfeasance with this sort of "everyone does it" post is bizarre, to say the least.

If that was your takeaway, then you need to pay better attention to the rest of that paragraph:

"I think that the Report will show that he was looking for an edge in everything that he did, but that what he and his campaign did doesn't rise to the level of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, which was the standard that Mueller had to reach."

Having sued some of Trump's competitors in both New York Supreme Court and the Los Angeles Superior Court their MO is the same: say or promise anything to get what you want and ignore (the best you can) any repercussions from those actions. Constant litigation is merely a cost of doing business for these guys (and a few gals) and they seem to get off on it. Trump is no different.

Like I have said repeatedly, when the redacted report comes out it will be clear that obstruction is the best path for the Dems to make the most chaos.

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-27 04:03 PM | Reply

"Constant litigation is merely a cost of doing business for these guys (and a few gals) and they seem to get off on it. Trump is no different."

Thanks, Capitalism!

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 04:06 PM | Reply

"When you finally come to terms with the fact that the President isn't a secret Russian agent"

Come to terms with this:

There's nothing secret about it.

Same for the NRA, it's not a secret they are funded by Russia.

There is no conspiracy, it happens in public view.

Like Trump turning off the tape recorder for his phone call with Putin, and later ordering his translators to hand over their notes.

Nothing secret about it.

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 04:10 PM | Reply

"Nobody, including a number of people who have left his staff, think Trump is smart enough to be a secret Russian agent. That was never the issue. But who doesn't think Trump c/would have entered into a quid pro quo with Putin based on greed, ego and/or kompromat? [MICE stands for money, ideology, compromise (kompromat), ego.]"

The more I think about this the more I think that Trump was motivated by greed and ego. He didn't conspire with Russians to hack or interfere with the election because he didn't want to win the election as many, including folks here like ROC and Laura, have pointed out. Trump and Manafort were in it for the money. Manafort passing on the polling data wasn't about helping Trump win the election, it was about making himself "whole" with Deripaska, who he owed $19 million, and for Trump, if he knew about it, it was about getting in Putin's good graces in order to build Trump Tower Moscow. That could explain why they changed the GOP platform on Ukraine and promised to lift sanctions at the "adoptions" meeting. Both Trump and Manafort are con man, and it seems feasible that the con they were running was "Let's play along with the Russians, then after the election, when we don't win, we'll call in our markers--Trump Tower Moscow and $19 million of debt cancelled.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-27 05:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#53 That would be you applying Occam's Razor, Gal. I pretty much completely agree with #53.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-27 06:08 PM | Reply

#54 Yeah, it makes sense to me and is in keeping with what we know of both men's characters.

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-27 06:11 PM | Reply

Oh Please ....

He didn't conspire with Russians to hack or interfere with the election because he didn't want to win the election as many, including folks here like ROC and Laura, have pointed out.

He could have just stayed home given the numbers no one would have blamed him. Instead he zig zagged across the US while Hillary stayed home.

There is so much speculative and wrong with #53, when clear evidence contradicts.

#56 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-27 06:13 PM | Reply

#54 Yeah, it makes sense to me and is in keeping with what we know of both men's characters.

You nor I don't know Trumps character ... you know what you've seen and read, you don't know the man.

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-27 06:14 PM | Reply

"Constant litigation is merely a cost of doing business for these guys (and a few gals) and they seem to get off on it. Trump is no different."
Thanks, Capitalism!
#51 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Capitalism is defined by contracts, the fact that there is litigation just means differences in the contracts execution, and deliverables. Happens all the time.

I am on a governance call with two very large companies regarding one contract, disagreements happen all the time, the world moves fast best you move with it.

You've never had a dispute with your mother over the sanitary conditions while you are living in her basement?

Then again you aren't a risk taker, as a you've stated, so I understand.

#58 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-27 06:18 PM | Reply

"You nor I don't know Trumps character ... you know what you've seen and read, you don't know the man.
#57 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS"

Such nonsense.
Pointless word mincing.
What Gracie is saying is, it keeps with his persona.

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 06:21 PM | Reply

Now on to the topic at hand ....

We (the conservative side) waited two years for this mumbojumbo. Liberals can't wait two weeks, they are the instant gratification crowd.

Remember when I said that if Mueller had something, Liberals should be mad he is taking so long.

Do you remember your answer?

You will never be satisfied, you will never have the answer you are looking for.

Keep swinging... as Rsty points out, nothing will come of it, nothing material will happen.

#60 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-27 06:22 PM | Reply


What Gracie is saying is, it keeps with his persona.
#59 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

The persona is crafted by the media .... so if you think he's X its because of the media you are watching/listening too.

#61 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-27 06:23 PM | Reply

"Capitalism is defined by contracts"

What RoC described is paying people like RoC to argue over definitions in contracts.

These arguments wouldn't be possible if there were truly a meeting of the minds when the contract was enacted.

Thus, what RoC is describing is one party acting in bad faith.

There's good money to be made providing legal services to people who act in bad faith.

Thanks, Capitalism!

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 06:24 PM | Reply

$59 WTF are you smoking?

#63 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-27 06:26 PM | Reply

"The persona is crafted by the media"

Trump's full page ad in the New York Post.

Trump's comments during the campaign, and as President.

Trump's 3AM Tweetstorms.

Are you saying those things don't reveal his character?

If so, then you're simply wrong.

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 06:27 PM | Reply

#63 Sorry I meant Gal not Gracie.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 06:28 PM | Reply

What RoC described is paying people like RoC to argue over definitions in contracts.
These arguments wouldn't be possible if there were truly a meeting of the minds when the contract was enacted.
Thus, what RoC is describing is one party acting in bad faith.

When you are dealing with big city Real Estate Developers, however, you can usually count on a decent amount of bad faith thrown in. That being said, a lot of times there is an extraneous event that causes disruption or delay to performance, then the parties start fighting over who should be responsible for the extra cost.

#66 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-27 07:01 PM | Reply

"That being said, a lot of times there is an extraneous event that causes disruption or delay to performance, then the parties start fighting over who should be responsible for the extra cost."

No doubt.
But this is not the reason you described up thread.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 07:03 PM | Reply

"so if you think he's X its because of the media you are watching/listening too."

I judge Trump based on his own words and actions.

What do you judge Trump based on? Your tax rate, right?

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 07:04 PM | Reply

I'm not saying it isn't, but that is another common facet in a development breach of contract case.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-27 07:06 PM | Reply

Why are you walking it backwards, RightOCenter?

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 07:07 PM | Reply

We (the conservative side) waited two years for this mumbojumbo. Liberals can't wait two weeks
#60 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Ahahahah! You morons were crying about the report taking two long 45 minutes after Rosenstein signed the paper! We don't mind waiting; we just don't see the need to wait two weeks for another Barr gutted version. If you inbreds weren't so desperate to obstruct justice for your dotard, you wouldn't have let Barr release the fake notes and remove what little credibility he had.

#71 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-27 07:35 PM | Reply

"Nobody, including a number of people who have left his staff, think Trump is smart enough to be a secret Russian agent."

They should ask if he's dumb enough to be a Russian Patsy.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-27 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"He could have just stayed home given the numbers no one would have blamed him. Instead he zig zagged across the US while Hillary stayed home."

He loves being the center of attention. Judging by the way he relishes doing them, holding forth at rallies is his favorite thing to do outside of playing golf.

"The persona is crafted by the media .... so if you think he's X its because of the media you are watching/listening too."

I'm going by what Trump says and what he does. His rally speeches and policies are his own doing, not the media's.

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-27 09:10 PM | Reply

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