Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Sunday, March 24, 2019

Even as the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, submitted his confidential report to the Justice Department on Friday, federal and state prosecutors are pursuing about a dozen other investigations that largely grew out of his work, all but ensuring that a legal threat will continue to loom over the Trump presidency.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

Robert Mueller has farmed things out to 1) the SDNY, which handles federal cases in Manhattan, 2) the EDNY, which handles federal cases in Brooklyn, 3) the EDVA in Virginia, 4) the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles, 5) the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington DC, 6) the DOJ National Security Division, and 7) the DOJ Criminal Division.

Some of these are outright referrals for criminal prosecution, while others are referrals of evidence and witnesses. But these are all instances of Robert Mueller giving these seven federal prosecutorial entities the tools they need to investigate and indict.

Mueller has equipped seven different federal prosecutorial bodies to carry out investigations and indictments, and "most" of those investigations focused specifically on Donald Trump, his family, and his people. In other words, the people on Team Trump who are celebrating right now are merely suffering from a lack of understanding about how prosecutions work.

I'm a just gonna leave this right here for percolation, ...rumination, and discussion....

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-03-23 10:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-24 12:02 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"Robert Mueller has farmed things out to 1) the SDNY, which handles federal cases in Manhattan, 2) the EDNY, which handles federal cases in Brooklyn, 3) the EDVA in Virginia, 4) the U.S. Attorney's office in Los Angeles, 5) the U.S. Attorney's office in Washington DC, 6) the DOJ National Security Division, and 7) the DOJ Criminal Division."

And various state AGs and congressional committees.

As John McCain quipped, 'this thing has more legs than a centipede.'

#4 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-24 02:19 AM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

No, this is called news, not conjecture invented out of delusional wishing and traitorous cheerleading. Collusion has never been a crime in and of itself and it has already been proven by every single meeting of Trump campaign officials with Russian agents/contacts which were denied publicly and repeatedly by most everyone involved, the most obvious example being the Trump Tower meeting over "adoptions" and the accompanying emails which clearly state the intentions of both parties beforehand.

While it seems to have become almost forgotten, Mueller investigation was a counterintelligence investigation focused on what Russia(ns) did to illegally impact/influence the 2016 Presidential election. The GOP leadership did everything they could to deter said investigation prior to the election including the Trump campaign's complete ignoring of the FBI's entreaties to report any contact with Russians. The GOP hosted Russians at its convention in Cleveland and accepted millions funneled from oligarchs with dual citizenship into numerous PACs.

To say the collusion narrative has been eviscerated is one of the most consciously oblivious statements of fiction ever uttered on this blog. Collusion has already been publicly proven over and over again. The only question is whether any of it rises to a prosecutable level based upon whatever evidence the Mueller investigation gathered. However, the probable criminality of Donald Trump, his family's business practices, and the actions of those he brought into his campaign remain ripe for further investigation and charges as this article points out in detail. Trump has already been named an unindicted co-conspirator in the felony hush money case. Collusion was always a practice, not a charge. Conspiracy is what Trump and his minions should be most worried about.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-03-24 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Handing off key cases has been Mueller's MO from the beginning:

Why is Mueller handing off key cases?
by Byron York July 21, 2018 11:37 PM

Something has been going on with Robert Mueller's investigation of people thought to have played significant roles in the Trump-Russia affair. The special counsel, assigned to investigate "any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Trump," has been farming out seemingly important parts of the investigation to offices outside his own.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 12:03 PM | Reply

"Collusion has never been a crime in and of itself"

Collusion isn't a crime and DOJ policy dictates that a sitting president can't be indicted, so anyone expecting Trump to be indicted on collusion, or obstruction of justice for that matter, was being unrealistic.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 12:06 PM | Reply

Collusion isn't a crime and DOJ policy dictates that a sitting president can't be indicted, so anyone expecting Trump to be indicted on collusion, or obstruction of justice for that matter, was being unrealistic.

Which is why Trump has continued to bleat "No collusion, no collusion(!)" over and over again since his inauguration, leading his brainwashed lemmings/sheep to a conclusion he correctly was certain of. But it was also one that has no legal meaning whatsoever, as you've noted.

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-03-24 12:11 PM | Reply

So much corruption so little time... this is too easy... like shooting pigs in a barrel.

#9 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-24 01:41 PM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Putin to Trump to Fox News to You.

Stop being such a shill.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-24 02:14 PM | Reply

To say the collusion narrative has been eviscerated is one of the most consciously oblivious statements of fiction ever uttered on this blog. Collusion has already been publicly proven over and over again. The only question is whether any of it rises to a prosecutable level based upon whatever evidence the Mueller investigation gathered.

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2

Now, that's what the truth is and what the truth sounds like, except to a Russian.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-24 02:15 PM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Start being more of an American.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-24 02:17 PM | Reply

Hey, TONY. Yesterday some people were making fun of you because you didn't post that day. Thanks for being back to stomp on their fee-fees.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-24 02:27 PM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

What a relief it must be to you and JeffJ to finally be able to set aside your faux objective posts.

Only a hack would claim something was "eviscerated" despite having never seen that which is "eviscerated".

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-25 12:04 AM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

Beats trying to promote Presidential Candidates that are embracing the Green New Deal.

#15 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-25 11:00 AM | Reply

Just a flesh wound.

#16 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-25 11:01 AM | Reply

Just a flesh wound.

#16 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

I have no doubt you guys are completely unaware of how black knightish your behavior is.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-25 11:53 AM | Reply

This is the new progressive talking point now that The Collusion Narrative has been eviscerated?

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter

You want to know what is really funny?

It was never about Collusion. First of all "Collusion" is not a crime.

So why would Humpy ever be worried about Collusion?

He was not. So let's make it all about Collusion!!

But it is not... and never was. Humpy is not very good at Jedi mind tricks.

60 % of us can see right thru them.

I now return to your Denials and Delusions of Grandeur already in progress.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-25 02:35 PM | Reply

You want to know what is really funny?

The way that the Collusion Narrative has now disappeared.

It was never about Collusion.

Wrong, from the letter from Rosenstein appointing Mr. Mueller:

"The special counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation [into]:

a) any links/coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;"

First of all "Collusion" is not a crime.

You certainly acted like it when I was repeatedly shouted down for pointing that out immediately after May 17, 2017 but you now have obviously seen the "light."

I now return you to your Denials and Delusions of Other Conspiracies already in progress.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

Its obvious you simpletons are so focused on "collusion" because every rational person dismissed it a week after the special council was appointed since it is not a crime.

With all the crimes he has committed, you have to shift the focus to the one thing he cannot possibly be charged for.

Its obvious, pathetic, and traitorous.

#20 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 03:12 PM | Reply

-It was never about Collusion. First of all "Collusion" is not a crime.

Not according to the internet lawyers all practicing here on the DR, for free.

Collusion has been a crime since it's first been uttered here.

#21 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-25 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Its obvious, pathetic, and traitorous.

I've always suspected Trump is afraid of something...but never collusion even though it's not a crime.

But many here have stated it's "treason" which has it's own legal definition and is a crime.

but it was never a crime......LOL

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-25 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Collusion isn't a crime and DOJ policy dictates that a sitting president can't be indicted, so anyone expecting Trump to be indicted on collusion, or obstruction of justice for that matter, was being unrealistic.

#7 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

No one gives a ---- what DOJ policy is. That has no standing on anything. It's trump's policy to rape underage girls and drive his golf cart on the green; does that mean every president has to follow his policy now?

#23 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 03:15 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I think treason is missing something about levying war; but who knows how they consider cyber warfare in that.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 03:16 PM | Reply

"No one gives a ---- what DOJ policy is. That has no standing on anything. It's trump's policy to rape underage girls and drive his golf cart on the green; does that mean every president has to follow his policy now?"

Trump's DOJ was never going to indict him, especially now that he has Barr, his Roy Cohn, in place. That doesn't mean Trump can't be impeached by the House, but it does mean that unless Trump shots someone on 5th Ave. or rapes an underage girl, the GOP-controlled Senate is not likely to convict him.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-25 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When talking about the Mueller investigation, lawyers frequently pointed out that collusion is not a crime but conspiracy is. I don't know what the difference is, but apparently there is one.

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-25 03:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21 I've explained here more than once that "collusion" itself is not specifically named as a crime in the US Code, but that conspiring to defraud the US or commit computer crimes are felonies that could potentially be referred to as "collusion."

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-25 03:59 PM | Reply

"The special counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation [into]:

a) any links/coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;"

First of all "Collusion" is not a crime.

You certainly acted like it when I was repeatedly shouted down for pointing that out immediately after May 17, 2017 but you now have obviously seen the "light."

I now return you to your Denials and Delusions of Other Conspiracies already in progress.

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter

why yes he did! And the Russians indeed did "hack" our elections (are you traitors still denying that Nothingburger happened??)

Humpy ("Individual-1" lest we forget) did indeed align himself with Russia, in public even.

If you don't think Humpy has a ton of other nefarious activities to hide from the American People you have not been paying attention.

It was only ALL about Collusion to Humpy and his admirers. Conspiracy was only part of it. And of course we are only going on what Barr (Trumps hand picked lawyer) has said.

Everyone else (the ones with half a brain at least) have said all along that "collision" is not a crime. So why does Humpy keep saying that?

Becuase Humpy talks out his Rumpy. And you and your cohorts eat it up like Orange creme filled chocolate candy.

And so now we know (as many of us suspected including Nancy Pelosi) as it turns out a damn good strategy to blather No Collusion as he would never have been indicted on "collusion" by this AG.

And thanks to Barr he will be indicted on nothing.

Until 21Jan2021.

Will you still be as arrogantly ignorant then?

Probably.

But at least maybe then we won't be talking about this retarded guy named Donald J Trump anymore who I actually care less about than pretty much anything or anyone else.

#28 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-25 04:00 PM | Reply

#26

That is exactly correct, but still doesn't keep people, on this thread alone, from making these kinds of posts:

Collusion has already been publicly proven over and over again. The only question is whether any of it rises to a prosecutable level based upon whatever evidence the Mueller investigation gathered.
#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2

Now, that's what the truth is and what the truth sounds like, except to a Russian.

#11 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-03-24 02:15 PM

Now that collusion/conspiracy is off the table, the Usual Idiots are now screaming "It was never about collusion" or "anyone with half a brain knew that collusion wasn't a crime" when their posting history in 2017/2018 clearly indicates otherwise.

As I have stated on other threads, the SDNY will sink their teeth into Trump, or at the very least, the Trump Organization, which should sate some of the bloodlust.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 04:00 PM | Reply

"collision"

collision
confusion
collusion

Yes..delusion, collusion, illusion, confusion

Kellyanne got to the bottom of the whole thing!! Why didn't anyone listen??

If you create the "Delusion" that there was "Collusion" then this "Illusion" will cause such "Confusion"!

And it worked perfectly didn't it?

Well, it works perfectly for ROC anyway.


#30 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-25 04:07 PM | Reply

#30

Your Gorilla Panic would be endearing if it wasn't so pathetic.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 04:11 PM | Reply

Now that collusion/conspiracy is off the table, the Usual Idiots are now screaming "It was never about collusion" or "anyone with half a brain knew that collusion wasn't a crime" when their posting history in 2017/2018 clearly indicates otherwise.

As I have stated on other threads, the SDNY will sink their teeth into Trump, or at the very least, the Trump Organization, which should sate some of the bloodlust.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter

"when their posting history in 2017/2018 clearly indicates otherwise"

link (your rear does not count)

I was very careful to not say Trump personally "colluded" with anyone because Collusion is not a crime.

That does not mean he is not a traitor and didn't try and that he has so much dirt, that he has so much dirt people! And I imagine what is really happening is someone is getting thrown under bus for him. Probably DonJr. But we don't really know anything. But We will have to wait for the report.

oh hey... that reminds me... guess what dummy.

Nothing is "off the table".

We have not seen the report yet.

We don't really know anything yet... but don't let that stop you from doing your victory dance.

Barr's (Trumps hired gun) summary is nothing but "hearsay". So at this point. Invest in it's accuracy an completeness (obviously not complete) at your own risk.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-25 04:16 PM | Reply

Your Gorilla Panic would be endearing if it wasn't so pathetic.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter

"gorilla panic"?

Deplorable Please! You are projecting again.

I did not spend all weekend before the report dropped tweeting nonsense and threatening everyone involved and even insulting dead American war heroes from my toilet.

#33 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-25 04:20 PM | Reply

Now that collusion/conspiracy is off the table,

#29 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

No one credible has said conspiracy is off the table.

Jesus, the amount you have to warp reality to maintain your belief that trump isn't a dumbass russian puppet is astounding. And stating "did any of the collusion involve criminal activity" is certainly not the same as saying collusion is a crime.

---- like this is why people accuse you of being illiterate until you plonk them like the snowflake you are.

#34 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 04:22 PM | Reply

Donnerboy sharing insight.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 04:26 PM | Reply

35
He is the dumbest ---- that posts here.

#36 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-03-25 04:29 PM | Reply

Now that collusion/conspiracy is off the table

I don't think it is. "Collusion" is a catch-all term. Barr ruled out "conspiracy" and "coordination" with the "Russian government." Collusion could certainly take other forms.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-25 04:44 PM | Reply

Oh. Indianajones beat me to it.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-25 04:44 PM | Reply

#34

You have been unplonked for a couple of weeks Indy, since you were actually making posts that had a modicum of thought behind them...don't revert.

No one credible has said conspiracy is off the table.

Except, well, pretty much everyone, including Dan Balz, the Chief Political Correspondent for that conservative mainstay The Washington Post:

From what seemed a position of strength, or at least the ability to stay on offense, Democrats are now looking at the road ahead in a far more problematic position. The issue of impeachment was always in question, given House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's cautionary view. At this point, like collusion, it is off the table.
It's behind a firewall, but the pertinent quotes can be found on this thread:

WashPo: Mueller report turns Democrats politics upside down

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 04:46 PM | Reply

#39 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

Again, you illiterate; no one credible has said conspiracy is off the table.

Stop trying to conflate collusion with conspiracy; no matter how demented you people are, collusion is not a crime and talking about it does not exonerate trump of possible criminal conspiracy and other overt crimes. And the more you idiots lean into Barr's words, the more its going to backfire when the full report is made public.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 05:55 PM | Reply

#40

Pay attention: Mueller was tasked with looking into conspiracy with the Russians (which you loons all called collusion), he has now ruled out "conspiracy and coordination with the Russian Government" to interfere in the 2016 Presidential Election.

I know this freaks you out, but even WashPo's Chief Political Correspondent is saying that impeachment for "conspiracy and coordination with the Russian Government" is off the table.

Is it possible that Trump "conspired" to commit other crimes...yes, and as I have said repeatedly, the SDNY is looking into it.

However, collusion/conspiracy with the Russians is kaput.

Deal with it.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 06:16 PM | Reply

Here's a helpful hint, Indy: Join the rest of the Left on the modified narrative that this is now really about obstruction, you won't look as dumb.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 06:19 PM | Reply

"Mueller... he has now ruled out 'conspiracy and coordination with the Russian Government' to interfere in the 2016 Presidential Election."

#41 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Where ---- did you see the Mueller report? How do you know he did that?

No one was every looking for "collusion"; you've just had your head buried in the sand. Collusion has always been a euphemism for looking for criminal conspiracy. Only you sheep relaying Rudy Giuliani's distraction interviews have been clamoring about "collusion".

"However, collusion/conspiracy with the Russians is kaput.
Deal with it."

We'll see when we get the Mueller report. Amazing that you cannot possibly speak of conspiracy without lumping it in with collusion. You do this because it fits your story, since no person can possibly be charged for collusion.

#43 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-25 07:33 PM | Reply

How does one square no Americans conspiring or coordinating with the Russians, when the Stone indictment has Stone coordinating with Wikileaks, Manafort giving the Russians polling data and the President Bucket of ---- Tower meeting, etc.?

#44 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-25 07:37 PM | Reply

Pay attention: Mueller was tasked with looking into conspiracy with the Russians (which you loons all called collusion), he has now ruled out "conspiracy and coordination with the Russian Government" to interfere in the 2016 Presidential Election.

SNIP

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter a

Actually, Mueller was tasked with investigating the Russian's interference in the 2016 elections. Which they did, which the Trumptlians have done nothing about.

Now we need to see the Mueller Report to see how he squared the conclusion that no Americans conspired or coordinated with the Russians, when the Stone indictment has Stone coordinating with Wikileaks, Manafort giving the Russians polling data and the President Bucket of ---- Tower meeting, etc.?

#45 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-25 07:40 PM | Reply

Actually, Mueller was tasked with investigating the Russian's interference in the 2016 elections.

No, he was tasked, in the May 5, 2017 appointment letter, to do the following in that regard:

"The special counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation [into]:

a) any links/coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump;"

How do you know he did that?

Barr's summary said the following:

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

I agree we need to see the report, but the Left's banshee cries that Barr is lying will be shown to be just an outpouring of their desperation that the Russian Narrative has completely fallen apart.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-25 08:11 PM | Reply

Barr's summary said the following:
"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"
I agree we need to see the report, but the Left's banshee cries that Barr is lying will be shown to be just an outpouring of their desperation that the Russian Narrative has completely fallen apart.
#46 | Posted by Rightocenter

How does one square no Americans conspiring or coordinating with the Russians, when the Stone indictment has Stone coordinating with Wikileaks, Manafort giving the Russians polling data and the President Bucket of ---- Tower meeting, etc.?

These are facts, right? From indictment documents or from the public record.

How does one square these?

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-25 08:14 PM | Reply

As the former FBI Director, Mueller is allegedly the gold standard for an investigation, a dubious fact which Republicans repeat often. But consider this, during the 9-11 investigation Mueller was OK with omitting the fact that the FBI was given repeated forewarnings of the attacks from CIA agents who detected their entrance into the country because they were on watch lists and from a Florida Flight School, where a teacher was concerned that he had Arabs in his class who wanted to learn how to fly passenger jets, but were not interested in learning how to land them.

Mueller, a lifelong Republican, has a record of sweeping information damaging to the credibility of American Institutions, under the rug. The Trump administration is one such institution.

#48 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-25 08:50 PM | Reply

How does one square these?

ROC doesn't care about that. He chooses to rely upon a partisan 4-page summary of a two year investigation.

I think Barr's mpve here is entirely political. As in, he intentionally wrote a worthless letter to try to make Dems look overly aggressive in trying to get more. And when the administration releases some heavily redacted version of the report, we'll go through the same thing again. They are milking this report for all it's worth.

#49 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 07:21 AM | Reply

I knew the feral anti-Trumpers would never accept the conclusions of this report if it didn't give them exactly what they wanted.

I want to see as much of this report released as possible and I want to have as much of everything surrounding this released as possible, including things like the rationale behind the Carter Page FISA warrant, who was behind the unmasking of so many people, why Samantha Power, UN ambassador, made more than 100 requests to unmask individuals and why she later claimed that she's not sure it was actually her who made some of those requests, implying that somebody else in the administration stole her identity. That is an absolutely stunning claim and yet it was barely reported by our watchdog press.

Release everything and let the chips fall where they may.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 08:14 AM | Reply

I knew the feral anti-Trumpers would never accept the conclusions of this report if it didn't give them exactly what they wanted.

You've seen "the conclusions of this report?"

Where?

Can i see?

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 08:30 AM | Reply

I've seen the DOJ summary of the conclusions of this report.

Do you seriously believe the conclusions in the report itself are going to be different?

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 08:37 AM | Reply

Joe,

Do you remember this:

A spokesman for special counsel Robert Mueller late Friday denied a BuzzFeed report alleging President Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.

It is a rare public statement by Mueller's team, which almost never comments on media reports.

"BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen's congressional testimony are not accurate," said Peter Carr, a spokesman for Mr. Mueller.

The president expressed vindication, saying Buzzfeed has shown a consistent bias against him


www.washingtontimes.com

That was the only time Mueller's team reacted to media coverage of their investigation and it was because the reporting was patently false. Don't trust Barr or Rosenstein? Fine. The political consequences would be YUUUUGE if they misrepresented what is in this report, and quite frankly, I don't think Mueller would stand idly by and let them misrepresent the conclusions of almost 2 years and tens of millions of dollars of investigative work.

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 08:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In the Barr summary he quotes directly from Mueller's report:

"[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 08:47 AM | Reply

"[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."

ACTIVELY coordinated? Because PASSIVE coordination has always been a thing.

Just release the report. Anyone against that is a cynical tool.

#55 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-26 08:56 AM | Reply

#33 A partisan political appointee's conclusions about a report are different from "the conclusions of the report." Hopefully you're not too stupid to know the difference.

Suppose Barack Obama was such a dirtbag that he was suspected of stealing an election with the help of a foreign enemy. Do you expect me to believe for one second that you'd take Eric Holder's word that there's nothing to worry about, over that of a special prosecutor?

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 09:09 AM | Reply

--#53 | Posted by JeffJ

Your efforts are admirable, Jeff, but you're trying to talk sense to religious cultists.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-26 09:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Joe,

See #54. Barr quoted directly from Mueller's report.

I said this on another thread:

Bottom line: The Russian collusion narrative is dead. Trying to keep it alive is only going to make you feel worse in the end.
Trump has a legitimate SDNY problem. I highly recommend latching on to that and dropping the whole collusion thing. The countless hours you've spent polishing your handcuffs may not have been wasted, but Trump won't be dragged off in chains over conspiring with Russia to affect the outcome of the '16 election.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-03-26 08:58 AM


Just release the report. Anyone against that is a cynical tool.

#55 | POSTED BY ZED

Agreed. I also said this on another thread:

I want to see as much of this report released as possible and I want to have as much of everything surrounding this released as possible, including things like the rationale behind the Carter Page FISA warrant, who was behind the unmasking of so many people, why Samantha Power, UN ambassador, made more than 100 requests to unmask individuals and why she later claimed that she's not sure it was actually her who made some of those requests, implying that somebody else in the administration stole her identity. That is an absolutely stunning claim and yet it was barely reported by our watchdog press.

Release everything and let the chips fall where they may.

POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-03-26 08:14 AM

(emphasis in original)

Anyone against full disclosure of everything is a cynical tool.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 09:23 AM | Reply

This was on a different thread but it applies here as well:

Yes lunatic, Barr is completely lying about the contents of the report, and Mueller and everyone involved for the last two and a half years is staying quiet about it as their reputations are destroyed from his lying. Sounds totally plausible.

POSTED BY BEN_BERKKAKE

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 09:26 AM | Reply

The report will be released to some in Congress. If Barr is flat-out lying Schiff will be screaming from the mountaintops, and rightfully so.

#60 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 09:28 AM | Reply

Barr quoted directly from Mueller's report.

Cherry-picked quotes that aren't even complete sentences are also not "the conclusions of the report."

Stop pretending you have the conclusions of the report. You don't. You have Barr's conclusions about the report.

#61 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 09:31 AM | Reply

religious cultists.

Accusing others of what you yourself are doing is the MO of the Trump cult.

#62 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 09:32 AM | Reply

Cherry-picked quotes?

That one quote kills the narrative.

Some on the left have already come to grips with it. I've just read op-eds in NYT and Bloomberg to that effect.

#63 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 09:37 AM | Reply

I've been over why it doesn't. People like you don't listen, so the discussion is pointless.

It is an objective fact that you don't have "the conclusions of the report." You have a political appointee's conclusions about the report, with a few incomplete sentence quotes. If you expect me to believe you'd take that as gospel from Eric Holder, you're a joke.

#64 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 09:50 AM | Reply

It is an objective fact that you don't have "the conclusions of the report." You have a political appointee's conclusions about the report, with a few incomplete sentence quotes. If you expect me to believe you'd take that as gospel from Eric Holder, you're a joke.

#64 | POSTED BY JOE

If the report is leaked to the public (I hope it is) and Barr's summation is in-line with Mueller's conclusions, what will you do then?

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 09:59 AM | Reply

--what will you do then?

Make a campfire and sing songs.

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-26 10:04 AM | Reply

what will you do then?

I will agree that you have "the conclusions of the report," which you don't currently have.

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 10:10 AM | Reply

Joe,

Is this an approximation of your position on this?

The question is whether the report itself frames those conclusions (especially about the president's behavior) in the same general way. We are not at the end of the Mueller drama. We are in an interlude created by the Attorney General's decision to summarize the report for the public before releasing it........When we look back upon this sordid story, we won't remember its conclusion as defined by Barr's letter but by Mueller's report. And we have yet to see what that report says, so we don't actually know exactly what that definition will consist of.

www.nationalreview.com

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 10:23 AM | Reply

If the report is leaked to the public (I hope it is) and Barr's summation is in-line with Mueller's conclusions, what will you do then?

#65 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Nothing. What should be done? He didn't break the law so I see no reason for impeachment on that front. That's why we had the investigation: to discern the facts.

I know I know. Republicans haven't a clue what facts are or what investigations are for. I get that.

But what we won't do is what Republicans have tried to do: Shut down independent, legitimate investigations of potential criminality.

#69 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-03-26 10:30 AM | Reply

#68 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Remember, Nixon didn't go down for Watergate. He went down for trying to cover up Watergate; for trying to cover up for the actions of others.

Barr doesn't believe the President can commit obstruction of justice. That's why he was nominated. So when the report actually comes out, then we'll see other legal opinions on the evidence. If there is evidence of obstruction that is.

#70 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-03-26 10:32 AM | Reply

If there is evidence of obstruction that is.

#70 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

2 problems with obstruction:

1. If there was no underlying crime then there was nothing to obstruct.

2.

Here is the Mueller report, by the numbers:
- 675: The number of days from when Mueller was appointed to the day he turned in his report to Barr.

- 34: people indicted as a result of Mueller's investigation, including Russian nationals and several former Trump aides and advisors.

- 19: lawyers who were employed by the special counsel's office, according to a letter Barr sent to Congress on Sunday.

- About 40 FBI agents, intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff that assisted with the investigation.

- More than 2,800 subpoenas issued by the Special Counsel's office, that's an average of at least four per day.

- Nearly 500 search warrants executed.

- More than 230 orders for communication records.

- Nearly 50 authorized orders for the use of pen registers, a tool that lets the government know who someone is communicating with and when, but not what they said.

- 13 evidence requests to foreign governments

- 500 witnesses interviewed

- $25 million in posted costs as of February

www.usatoday.com

The Trump team did nothing to impede any of that. Democrats and the left would be wise to give up on collusion and obstruction and focus their efforts on SDNY, which is a serious problem for Trump.

Granted, the report has yet to be released to the public, so waiting for its release makes sense. But given that Barr quoted directly from the report that the Trump campaign didn't collude/conspire with Russia to affect the outcome of the '16 election....

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 10:47 AM | Reply

Was i not clear Jeff? I said you don't have the conclusions of the report. Because you haven't seen the report. It doesn't take a national review article to interpret my position here.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 10:59 AM | Reply

When we look back upon this sordid story, we won't remember its conclusion as defined by Barr's letter but by Mueller's report.

Couldn't disagree more. In this news environment, first impressions matter. The media ran with Barr's letter and reported on it as if it were Mueller's report.

#73 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-26 11:01 AM | Reply

I'm going to throw my DR left-leaning brethren a bone...

When IG Horowitz investigated how the DOJ and FBI handled the Clinton email thingy I felt he didn't see the forest through all of the trees. Perhaps that will be the case with the Mueller report as well.

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-26 11:02 AM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2019 World Readable

Drudge Retort