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Friday, March 22, 2019

The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has delivered a report on his inquiry into Russian interference in the 2016 election to Attorney General William P. Barr, according to the Justice Department, bringing to an apparent close an investigation that has consumed the nation and cast a shadow over President Trump for nearly two years. Barr will decide how much of the report to share with Congress and, by extension, the American public. The House voted unanimously in March on a nonbinding resolution to make public the report's findings, an indication of the deep support within both parties to air whatever evidence prosecutors uncovered.

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Even though Mr. Mueller's report is complete, some aspects of his inquiry remain active and may be overseen by the same prosecutors once they are reassigned to their old jobs within the Justice Department. For instance, recently filed court documents suggest that investigators are still examining why the former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort turned over campaign polling data in 2016 to a Russian associate whom prosecutors said was tied to Russian intelligence.
- NYT

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 05:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


Gee, I wonder what is going to be on the news channels this weekend?

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-22 05:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

It's going to be a hot time in the old town tonight.

#3 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 05:13 PM | Reply

Quick, someone put Zed on suicide watch!!!

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 05:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

--Quick, someone put Zed on suicide watch!!!

Anyone seen Tony Roma lately?

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-22 05:25 PM | Reply

#4/ #5 Damn... I was hoping to beat the salt but here you two are.

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-22 05:35 PM | Reply

Is it Muellergeddon or a Muellerastrophe?

#7 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-22 05:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Interesting that the talking points got out so quick. RoC, Null, Vis_, all jerking in circle.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 05:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Muller recommends no more indictments.

#9 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-22 05:52 PM | Reply

Is it Muellergeddon or a Muellerastrophe?

#7 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2019-03-22 05:36 PM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Oh please... the clowns aren't that imaginative... its Mullergate.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-22 05:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#9

One of my co-workers listens to right wing talk radio and they were speculating that the report will implicate Hillary :)

#11 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-03-22 05:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

Trump has engaged in obstruction and abuse of power at every phase of this investigation so far. Let's see what he comes up with next.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

One of my co-workers listens to right wing talk radio and they were speculating that the report will implicate Hillary :)

#11 | Posted by TaoWarrior

No matter how many times those nutjobs are wrong, the morons just keep listening dont they?

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 05:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There will be no more indictments now that the probe is concluded, NBC News has learned."

That being the case, under the Special Counsel regulation the Mueller report will not have disparaging information against Trump or his family.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 05:57 PM | Reply

How's that nothing burger taste?

#16 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-22 05:58 PM | Reply

How's that nothing burger taste?

#16 | Posted by boaz

Where did you find a copy of the report to read? Up trump's ass?

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

How's that nothing burger taste?

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies. Perhaps you haven't heard.

www.reuters.com

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter

How quickly you stop listening to a source after discovering they lie all the time is a measure of your intelligence.

I never paid stormy daniels.
I have a secret plant for better cheaper healthcare.
We dont have to worry about North Korean nukes anymore
I wont play any golf as president.
I wont attempt to cut medicare or social security
I wont benefit from these tax cuts
I'll release my taxes after the election
My taxes are under audit
I have no business deals in russia

shall I go on or do you feel stupid yet?

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#8

Bruce, I have always said let the report come out and see what it says. Too many people here have been so certain that Mueller was going to take Trump down that this could be a very sad day for them.

We won't know what the summary looks like until this weekend, but all indications from the press have been that it doesn't prove collusion or obstruction by Trump and his campaign.

#20 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#18

True, but those goalposts must be heavy.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

My guess is this is nothing. It was turned over late Friday afternoon, during March madness and can't hurt the stock market until Monday, which the left would be giddy over if today was Monday. All I can do like the rest of you at this point is 'guess'.

#22 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-22 06:09 PM | Reply

#19

I never believed any of it but you certainly seem to hang on every single word.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:09 PM | Reply

I never believed any of it but you certainly seem to hang on every single word.

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter

Ah so you know that he's a con man yet you still fight to defend him every day. What's that make you?

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#20 - read the article. your comments seem to be mistaken about the goals of the investigation and the procedures from here forward.

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:12 PM | Reply

#24

Someone who doesn't defend him...you just can't stand it when I point out your hypocrisy.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:12 PM | Reply

Mueller will give the report to Bill Barr. Barr will read it and choose what to do. He could choose to never tell anyone what is in it.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:14 PM | Reply

#25

I read it before I posted on the thread (as is my wont), nothing changes especially taken in conjunction with the half dozen or so articles that I also read.

#28 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:14 PM | Reply

"It is up to Mr. Barr how much of the report to share with Congress and, by extension, the American public."

- fta

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:14 PM | Reply

#27

That is not correct, by regulation he has to write a summary for Congress and both Barr and Pelosi have said that summary, at the very least, will be summarized and released to the public.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:15 PM | Reply

We won't know what the summary looks like until this weekend, but all indications from the press have been that it doesn't prove collusion or obstruction by Trump and his campaign.

You scold people for making assumptions in the same comment you make the huge assumption that collusion and obstruction weren't proven against Donnie Dumbass, even though the media hasn't revealed a word of the report yet.

Classic.

#31 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#28

The point is, he has to provide something to congress, he can't legally "chose to never tell anyone what is in it."

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:16 PM | Reply

In court, the evidence amassed by the Mueller team has held up. Every defendant who is not still awaiting trial either pleaded guilty or was convicted by a jury. Although no American has been charged with illegally plotting with the Russians to tilt the election, Mr. Mueller uncovered a web of lies by former Trump aides.

Five of them were found to have deceived federal investigators or Congress about their interactions with Russians during the campaign or the transition. They includes Mr. Manafort; Michael T. Flynn, the president's first national security adviser; and Michael D. Cohen, Mr. Trump's former lawyer and longtime fixer. A sixth former adviser, Roger J. Stone, Jr. is to stand trial in November on charges of lying to Congress.

Those who know Mr. Mueller, a former F.B.I. director, predicted a concise, legalistic report devoid of opinions -- nothing like the 445-page treatise that Kenneth W. Starr, who investigated President Bill Clinton, produced in 1998. Operating under a now-defunct statute that governed independent counsels, Mr. Starr had far more leeway than Mr. Mueller to set his own investigative boundaries and to render judgments.


Mueller will bring the best truth he can.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:16 PM | Reply

Someone who doesn't defend him...you just can't stand it when I point out your hypocrisy.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter

You're saying you dont defend trump? What's my hypocrisy?

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My thoughts exactly RCADE... thus far NEWSMAX is the only one using their psychic powers to let us know what is in the report.

#35 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-22 06:17 PM | Reply

The point is, he has to provide something to congress, he can't legally "chose to never tell anyone what is in it."

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter

He can legally redact the whole thing if he wants to and hand that to congress.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That is not correct, by regulation he has to write a summary for Congress and both Barr and Pelosi have said that summary, at the very least, will be summarized and released to the public.

#30 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-03-22 06:15 PM | FLAG:

You are simply wrong. See here: www.nytimes.com

Will the report be made public?

That remains to be seen. Some information is expected to come out because Mr. Barr has to update Congress, but that does not mean the entire report will be public.

Mr. Barr must notify the leaders of Congress's judiciary committees that the special counsel investigation is completed and explain whether he or his predecessors overseeing it opposed any significant step that Mr. Mueller sought to take, according to the regulation he was appointed under.

The regulation set no time frame or deadline for when Mr. Barr must tell Congress.

Nor was Mr. Barr required to tell lawmakers more than those basic facts.

#37 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Classic.

#31 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2019-03-22 06:15 PM

You must have missed this from NBC News yesterday:

"The bottom line: Do not expect a harsh condemnation of President Donald Trump or any of his associates if they have not been charged with crimes.

Sources familiar with the investigation believe there are no more indictments coming from the special counsel. If Mueller follows the guidance of the man who appointed him and supervised his investigation, he cannot publicly disparage those who have not been charged with a crime."

Combined with this from NBC News on the article that just dropped:

"There will be no more indictments now that the probe is concluded, NBC News has learned."

Since there are no new indictments, it then follows, per Justice Dept. regulations and as Rod Rosenstein made it clear in his July letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, "the Department of Justice will not – and cannot without violating long-standing Department of Justice policy – include disparaging or incriminating information about anybody who has not been charged with a crime."

#38 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

From the con comments, I see they are already set on burying the report and falsely creating a public relations campaign saying that there are no charges, therefore no crimes.

That is a twist of the truth and a false conclusion.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:22 PM | Reply

#38 So what? Serious straw there RoC

The real debate is whether they will decide to charge a sitting president based on the findings in that report.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:23 PM | Reply

Bruce, all I was correcting was your statement that he could "chose to never tell anyone what is in it."

Even your own article says that is wrong, and if you have followed the news, both Barr and Pelosi have said that they will tell the public as much as they can.

#41 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:23 PM | Reply

AND whether they will let the public know what is in the report

AND whether Bill Barr lets Trump read it but hides it from congress.

#42 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:24 PM | Reply

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies.

And that had what to do with Trump? Any of it?

If you look hard enough, I bet you could find alot of that type stuff with Democrats and the people around them too.

#43 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-22 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#41 I am sorry, but you will have to show me the text that says I am wrong. I quoted the text that I used to support my argument. Please return the same courtesy.

#44 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:25 PM | Reply

"Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies.
And that had what to do with Trump? Any of it?"

Actually all of it.

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#40

LOL, are you accusing Rod Rosenstein of creating strawmen? I am just quoting his own words.

Here is another quote from Mr. Rosenstein:

"Punishing wrongdoers through judicial proceedings is only one part of the Department's mission," Rosenstein wrote. "We also have a duty to prevent the disclosure of information that would unfairly tarnish people who are not charged with crimes."

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:25 PM | Reply

If Trump is in the clear, he'll leak it tonight.

#47 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 06:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I addressed both of your ANDs in my earlier posts.

He can't hide it from Congress and he can't let Trump read it.

But by all means keep up with the DRama.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:27 PM | Reply

Since there are no new indictments, it then follows, per Justice Dept. regulations and as Rod Rosenstein made it clear in his July letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee, "the Department of Justice will not – and cannot without violating long-standing Department of Justice policy – include disparaging or incriminating information about anybody who has not been charged with a crime."

Your logic is flawed. It doesn't follow at all that no indictments means no Trump crimes.

DOJ guidelines, as reported many times, are that a sitting president never should be indicted because holding one accountable is the job of Congress.

If Mueller found serious evidence of possible Trump crimes, he would spell that out in his report to give Congress the ability to consider that. He wouldn't withhold that information on the grounds that it disparages someone who wasn't indicted.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you look hard enough, I bet you could find alot of that type stuff with Democrats and the people around them too.

On your side there are 34 people and companies around Trump charged with crimes or imprisoned.

On my side no one around Obama was charged or imprisoned for anything. No matter how hard Congressional Republicans tried to create a scandal, after eight years they had jack ----.

But keep telling me that proven Republican crooks aren't a big deal because of imaginary Democratic crooks.

#50 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 6

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies.

And that had what to do with Trump? Any of it?

#43 | Posted by boaz a

That's like saying "what does my DNA at the crime scene have to do with me officer?"

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:32 PM | Reply

He can't hide it from Congress and he can't let Trump read it.

But by all means keep up with the DRama.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter

You're referring to the same Barr who helped repubs cover up Iran Contra? That guy?

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#44

but you will have to show me the text that says I am wrong.

"It's unclear how detailed Mueller's report is, or when his conclusions may become public. According to Justice Department guidelines, his confidential report to the attorney general is supposed to explain "the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the special counsel."

The attorney general is then required to report Mueller's findings to Congress "with an outline of the special counsel's actions and the reasons for them," the guidelines say, but it's unclear how long that may take."

NBC News: Mueller submits report on Trump investigation to AG Barr

Mueller has to explain his evidence and the prosecution or declination decisions he made based on that evidence.

Barr then must report those findings to Congress with an outline of the decisions made, both prosecutorial or declination, and the reasons therefore.

I guarantee you that Barr will be overinclusive, but that will not stop the harpies from shrieking.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:34 PM | Reply

If Trump isn't implicated, he'll win 2020 in a landslide.

#54 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 06:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I addressed both of your ANDs in my earlier posts.

He can't hide it from Congress and he can't let Trump read it.

But by all means keep up with the DRama.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter

I THINK this was directed me but I cant tell because you've stopped quoting who youre responding to as if we're all supposed to read your mind.

Still waiting on your explanation of why you spend all day defending a guy you admit is a con man who lies to you all the time....

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump isn't implicated, he'll win 2020 in a landslide.

#54 | Posted by lee_the_agent

Sure just like he won 2018 in a landslide. Wishes arent predictions.

#56 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:35 PM | Reply

I have never predicted that Mueller would nail Trump for serious crimes in his report.

I think Trump has committed multiple crimes in his career and presidential campaign, but I never had any faith in the U.S. government to hold him accountable while he is in office.

#57 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think Trump has committed multiple crimes in his career and presidential campaign, but I never had any faith in the U.S. government to hold him accountable while he is in office.

#57 | Posted by rcade

Why say THE US GOVERNMENT when its only republicans who are going to let this crook stay in office?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:38 PM | Reply

If Trump isn't implicated, he'll win 2020 in a landslide.

Yeah, because he's a great president except for this Russia stuff. There's NO OTHER REASON not to vote for the manifestly incompetent, emotionally disturbed crapper tweeter.

#59 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

DOJ guidelines, as reported many times, are that a sitting president never should be indicted because holding one accountable is the job of Congress.

But his family is fair game, and if Mueller found that Don Jr.'s much ballyhooed Trump Tower meeting was actionable, Don Jr. would already be doing the perp walk.

If Mueller found serious evidence of possible Trump crimes, he would spell that out in his report to give Congress the ability to consider that. He wouldn't withhold that information on the grounds that it disparages someone who wasn't indicted.

As I stated earlier, he has to provide his evidence and the reasons for declining to prosecute, one of those reasons could very well be the limitations on indicting a sitting President. There is a possibility that he may have found evidence that Trump directly conspired with someone, but since no indictments came down against members of the Trump campaign, my (admitted) guess that is probably extremely unlikely.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:39 PM | Reply

Why say THE US GOVERNMENT when its only republicans who are going to let this crook stay in office?

Because I'm also talking about the DOJ, IRS and other agencies.

#61 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:40 PM | Reply

#55

I was responding to Bruce with the "AND" post, and please show me where I "spend all day" defending Trump.

I'll wait.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:42 PM | Reply

But his family is fair game, and if Mueller found that Don Jr.'s much ballyhooed Trump Tower meeting was actionable, Don Jr. would already be doing the perp walk.

I'm talking about Trump. I could care less about his slack-jawed crotchfruit.

You should stop making assumptions about what the report is going to say after you had so many problems with others making them. Live your truth, compadre.

#63 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Anyone call this investigation a nothingburger after 37 indictments is being ridiculous. The crimes around Trump and Russia have already made him the most scandal-ridden president since Nixon before a single word of the report is made public.

#64 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#69

If nothing comes of this then Trump definitely dodged an AA round, but I don't think that makes him a lock in 2020, too many people are tired of Trump's lies and shenanigans. If the Dems don't nominate a total kook, Trump is eminently beatable.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was responding to Bruce with the "AND" post, and please show me where I "spend all day" defending Trump.

I'll wait.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter

You're right. You dont defend trump. You just spend all day attacking those who oppose him. As if there's an ethical difference between being a supporter and being an enabler.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#63

I am talking about him too, but thinking about this like a prosecutor: Trump wasn't going to be solely conspiring with the Russians directly, he was going to have to use intermediaries for at least some aspects of the alleged interference. The fact that no one in his campaign, including Manafort and Flynn, have been charged with working with the Russians to interfere in the election seems to indicate that while there may be plenty of smoke, there was no fire.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:48 PM | Reply

If nothing comes of this then Trump definitely dodged an AA round, but I don't think that makes him a lock in 2020, too many people are tired of Trump's lies and shenanigans.

I agree. I also think there will be people asking themselves, "Do I really want four more years of this exhausting drama queen in the White House?"

#68 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 06:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#66

Sorry I hurt your feewings cupcake, just pointing out the real facts and inconsistencies in all your DRama.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:49 PM | Reply

#68

I 100% agree, now the Dems just need to sift through the chaff and come up with a good candidate.

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 06:50 PM | Reply

Barr could keep the report secret. I believe he can edit it too.

Someone prove me wrong on this.

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:52 PM | Reply

RoC can't punch his way out of a wet paper bag today.

Go get a beer man, you're exhausted.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 06:52 PM | Reply

#64 | Posted by rcade

But the whole Russia Russia Collusion thingy is above to be proven correct right? I mean the left has been telling us for years on end now just how sure they are about how Trump was in bed with Putin and all, Muller was put in business in a large part due to the 'Trump Russia' connection after all.

Come on tell the truth, you already have the champagne on ice!

#73 | Posted by Javelin at 2019-03-22 06:54 PM | Reply

Sorry I hurt your feewings cupcake, just pointing out the real facts and inconsistencies in all your DRama.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter

No you're just hiding behind semantics. "I don't support trump, I just attack the only people who could bring him to justice. TOTALLY DIFFERENT!"

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 06:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Muller recommends no more indictments.

#9 | Posted by boaz

Not from his office. However, the SDNY and DC federal grand juries + state AGs and Congress are still investigating many other aspects of Trumpworld.

#75 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 06:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

imgur.com

#76 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-03-22 07:00 PM | Reply

#71

Here you go, a summary from Brookings with the actual statute thrown in for good measure:

As for "notifications and reports" (section 600.9) from the Attorney General to Congress, the order states (64 Fed. Reg. 37041) that the required reports would be "brief notifications, with an outline of the actions and the reasons for them." As noted earlier, the Attorney General's report at the conclusion of a special counsel's investigation is to include (section 600.9(a)(3)) "a description and explanation" of any times in which the Attorney General countermanded a proposed action by a special counsel because it was "so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Departmental practices that it should not be pursued."

Apart from that specific element of the Attorney General's report at the end of an investigation, it is not altogether clear what that final report will contain. The discussion under section 600.8(c), on a special counsel's closing report to the Attorney General, suggests (64 Fed. Reg. 37041) that consideration will be given to "[t]he interests of the public in being informed of and understanding the reasons for the actions of the Special Counsel." As stated in the discussion under section 600.9(c) (at 64 Fed. Reg. 37041), another objective that may shape the content of the Attorney General's report at the end of an investigation is the goal of helping to "ensure congressional and public confidence in the integrity of the process."

The regulation cannot govern, of course, whether the Judiciary Committees will release the reports from the Attorney General to them. As for the Attorney General's own release of a report, the regulation provides (section 600.9(c)) that "[t]he Attorney General may determine that public release of these reports would be in the public interest, to the extent that release would comply with applicable legal restrictions." Presumably, the major but not exclusive constraint on public release would be the restriction in Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure on release of grand jury information. Under section 600.9(c) of the regulations, the special counsel is not authorized to release information apart from "generally applicable Departmental guidelines concerning public comment with respect to any criminal investigation, and relevant law."

Attorney General's Special Counsel Regulations

28 CFR Part 600 - GENERAL POWERS OF SPECIAL COUNSEL

#72

I'm doing just fine...you on the other hand need to go have a good cry and get it all out.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 07:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#74

You just can't help making my point for me.

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 07:02 PM | Reply

74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

You should have a drink on this nice, sunny Friday afternoon. The world hasn't ended. You may still "get" Trump. I suggest a cool, refreshing White Russian.

Cheers!

#79 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-22 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

You should have a drink on this nice, sunny Friday afternoon. The world hasn't ended. You may still "get" Trump. I suggest a cool, refreshing White Russian.

Cheers!

#79 | Posted by nullifidian

Its funny, the repub narrative seems to be that trump is vindicated and liberals are freaking out. Like all other repub narratives, you buy it without any evidence.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:08 PM | Reply

You just can't help making my point for me.

#78 | Posted by Rightocenter

What point is that?

#81 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:09 PM | Reply

"President Donald Trump's lawyers want an early look at special counsel Robert Mueller's findings before they are made public.

That's according to Rudy Giuliani, Trump's attorney. He says Trump's legal team hasn't received any assurances that they'll get the early look they want, though"

Associated press

Wtf happened to "show it to the people, they deserve it" the orange gets julius has been peddling?

#82 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-22 07:12 PM | Reply

www.propublica.org

Six Tips for Preparing for the Mueller Report, Which Just Landed

1. Don't Predict.

We don't know what Mueller will report, when he will report it or even whether we'll be able to read it. That's because Congress changed the law after special prosecutor Kenneth Starr's salacious tell-all on President Bill Clinton. When Mueller is done, he has to give a report to Attorney General William Barr. But Barr can choose to keep the report confidential. Barr only has to give a summary to Congress. If Barr doesn't make Mueller's actual report public, Democrats will almost surely subpoena it. Then get ready for a fight.

2. Stop Focusing on "Collusion."

"Collusion" has come to be a kind of shorthand for ... basically doing something bad with Russia. But the term is both too vague and too narrow. For one thing, "collusion" is not itself a clearly defined crime. It is a crime to commit a conspiracy against the United States -- for which there is a high bar: proving an intent to undermine the government.

3. Remember: We Already Know a Lot.

We already know Trump had a hidden conflict of interest involving Russia during the campaign. Despite publicly denying it, Trump was negotiating to develop a tower in Moscow while he was running for president. That means Trump had interests involving Russia -- which voters didn't know about -- that could have been influencing his policy positions. That's all problematic on its own.

We also know that Russian government interests hacked the emails of the Democratic National Committee, handed them to Wikileaks, and that at least one Trump ally, Roger Stone, was in touch with Wikileaks.

4. Don't Expect Answers to Everything, or Even Most Things.

That's not Mueller's job. He is a prosecutor. His job is first and foremost to look for crimes. And while he can, and has, looked beyond Russian interference in the election, he's unlikely to dig into everything. And, of course, there are lots of areas worthy of scrutiny beyond Russia: Trump's businesses, his inauguration, his hush money payments and more.

5. Mueller Is Not Alone.

There are lots of active investigations looking into all these issues. A partial rundown of just the ones we know about: Federal prosecutors in Manhattan are investigating the inauguration and other matters, the New York attorney general is investigating the Trump Foundation, and the District of Columbia's attorney general and the state of Maryland are suing Trump over emoluments. There are also a whole host of coming congressional investigations.

6. The Final Judgments on Trump's Actions Will Be Political, Not Legal. (Caveats Apply.)

Whatever Mueller ultimately files, he is very unlikely to charge the president with a crime. Since Watergate, the Department of Justice has had a policy that a sitting president should not be indicted. And Mueller is a stickler for the rules.

Having said that, Trump does face significant legal jeopardy. For example, former presidents can be indicted. So can Trump's own company.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Team trump is going to act like if there is no recording of trump and putin agreeing to collude that this means he's innocent of everything ever. And all the morons on this site will spout that talking point for the next 2 years.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:16 PM | Reply

Matthew Miller @matthewamiller

Thank you to Bob Mueller and the team of investigators who made huge sacrifices for the past two years to serve their country, even as the president of the United States and his allies attacked them ruthlessly, oftentimes by name. Patriots.
3:20 PM - 22 Mar 2019

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 07:28 PM | Reply

#56

I don't wish Trump would win in 2020. The Democratic candidates give him too much material to work with. He doesn't fear any of them. I wish there is enough obstruction of justice in the Mueller report to start impeachment hearings.

#86 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you are not a Trump supporter but you spend all your time here attacking Trump critics, you should just make things official and go full Trump.

What you're doing is like Bill Clinton thinking you can get a ------- and it doesn't count as cheating. You can't get off on a technicality.

#87 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 07:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Monday CNN will go back to covering the missing Malaysian Airline story.

#88 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-22 07:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#59

All Trump has really accomplished is the tax cut. Everything else is intact for the most part. American's vote with their pocketbook. At this moment, we're okay. No wall. Planned Parenthood funded. SS and Medicare intact. Roe v Wade unchallenged. He's an -------, but we've had plenty of ------- presidents. A Democrat has to be a street fighter to beat him. We haven't shown any yet, but it's early.

#89 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 07:36 PM | Reply

I don't wish Trump would win in 2020. The Democratic candidates give him too much material to work with. He doesn't fear any of them. I wish there is enough obstruction of justice in the Mueller report to start impeachment hearings.

POSTED BY LEE_THE_AGENT AT 2019-03-22 07:29 PM | REPLY

Pelosi won't impeach dear. She's part of the 1% after all.

#90 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-22 07:36 PM | Reply

What you're doing is like Bill Clinton thinking you can get a ------- and it doesn't count as cheating. You can't get off on a technicality.

#87 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2019-03-22 07:35 PM | FLAG:

My body libido is gone. I can only get off of the loo anymore.

#91 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-22 07:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies. Perhaps you haven't heard.

"Thirteen Russian Nationals" aren't people. They're a crock of freedom feces.

#92 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 07:38 PM | Reply

How's that nothing burger taste?

Very salty.

#93 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 07:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I hope we get to read the full report. If we don't, then I won't be able to eat all that crow the wingnuts keep telling me they're serving up with nothingberders.

Starr's report didn't indict Clinton. It led to his impeachment, though.

A few thoughts:
1) IIRC, Mueller ran separate investigations - one specific to the Russia conspiracy and one counterintelligence investigation.
2) RICO RICO RICO
3) There are still sealed indictments in SDNY
4) Nobody knows anything yet. The report could read, "I like turtles," for all we know. As always, I'll wait to see what the Report says. I am confident that Mueller has done his due diligence, and will accept his findings.

#94 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-03-22 07:41 PM | Reply

All Trump has really accomplished is the tax cut. Everything else is intact for the most part. American's vote with their pocketbook. At this moment, we're okay. No wall. Planned Parenthood funded. SS and Medicare intact. Roe v Wade unchallenged. He's an -------, but we've had plenty of ------- presidents. A Democrat has to be a street fighter to beat him. We haven't shown any yet, but it's early.

#89 | Posted by lee_the_agent

That tax cut is an economic time bomb that will detonate someday and hurt the middle class and poor. When it does, remember who lit the fuse, no matter who is in charge at the time.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:41 PM | Reply

You scold people for making assumptions in the same comment you make the huge assumption that collusion and obstruction weren't proven against Donnie Dumbass, even though the media hasn't revealed a word of the report yet.

It isn't a huge assumption. That is our system. That's how innocent until proven guilty works.

#96 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 07:42 PM | Reply

Pelosi won't impeach dear. She's part of the 1% after all.

#90 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-03-22 07:36 PM | FLAG:

Barf. Those talking points are stale af.

#97 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 07:42 PM | Reply

American's vote with their pocketbook. At this moment, we're okay.

You are generalizing way too much. A lot of American businesses are being crushed by Trump's trade war. Soybean farmers are getting killed.

#98 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 07:44 PM | Reply

#95

Oh, it's a national travesty. The next Democrat president needs to repeal before it's too late.

#99 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 07:44 PM | Reply

"Those who know Mr. Mueller, a former F.B.I. director, predicted a concise, legalistic report devoid of opinions "

tsk tsk. folks want to use this professionalism as a declaration of innocence. not quite boys.

#100 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 07:45 PM | Reply

It isn't a huge assumption. That is our system. That's how innocent until proven guilty works.

This is a silly analogy. We're not a jury. You don't get points for asserting someone is innocent based on zero evidence when you're telling people to wait for evidence.

#101 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#98

Hence at this moment. A gargantuan recession is around the corner. It's only a matter of time.

$23 trillion debt is a big ugly bear. Whatever happened to cutting spending, fiscally responsible republicans? They're the modern version of the Dodo Bird.

#102 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-22 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It isn't a huge assumption. That is our system. That's how innocent until proven guilty works.

#96 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

So admitting a crime on national tv doesn't count anymore?

Trump's best defense is "I lie so much that if I admit I committed crime it might not be true."

#103 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:49 PM | Reply

Whatever happened to cutting spending, fiscally responsible republicans? They're the modern version of the Dodo Bird.

#102 | Posted by lee_the_agent

They're migratory birds. They'll be back as soon as dems are in power and expect us to forget about this time. And their cult will obey.

#104 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:50 PM | Reply

You don't get points for asserting someone is innocent based on zero evidence.

I'm not asserting anything. Innocent is the default state. Team collusion is the one with zero evidence after two and a half years of nonsense.

#105 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 07:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So admitting a crime on national tv doesn't count anymore?

Trump's best defense is "I lie so much that if I admit I committed crime it might not be true."

Ask Mueller.

#106 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 07:52 PM | Reply

I'm not asserting anything.

I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the person I was talking to when you replied to me. Try to keep up.

Team collusion is the one with zero evidence after two and a half years of nonsense.

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies. Perhaps you haven't heard.

#107 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 07:54 PM | Reply

Roger Stone is still facing Mueller's team.
Mike Flynn is still facing Mueller's team.
Rick Gates is still facing Mueller's team.

This report states that Mueller himself won't be bringing further indictments, but it doesn't mean there aren't plenty of indictments yet to come. It certainly doesn't mean that any of this is over. Plenty of berders to eat moving forward.

#108 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-03-22 07:55 PM | Reply

Answer a question for me, Ben: Does Trump's ------- taste like Kentucky Fried Chicken or McDonald's?

#109 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 07:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

All Trump has really accomplished is the tax cut

And stacking the courts with radical, activist judges.
And weakening America's standing in the world.
And coddling Nazis.

#110 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-03-22 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ask Mueller.

#106 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

I'm asking you. Does admitting firing the FBI director because of the investigation into himself not count as a crime to you?

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 07:58 PM | Reply

If you are not a Trump supporter but you spend all your time here attacking correcting the factual inaccuracy/idiocy of the Trump critics

Suggested edits for accuracy.

Besides, I spent way too much time pointing out that Bubba didn't get impeached for a BJ (and then getting shouted down for it) to even consider anything related to that as a "technicality."

#112 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:06 PM | Reply

coddling Nazis.<

*drink*

#113 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:07 PM | Reply

Anyone call this investigation a nothingburger after 37 indictments is being ridiculous. The crimes around Trump and Russia have already made him the most scandal-ridden president since Nixon before a single word of the report is made public.
#64 | POSTED BY RCADE

Let's be real here. Mueller indicted a bunch of Russians that will never see the inside of a courtroom and some will likely have the charges dropped outright as they are actually choosing to fight them - one of the companies indicted didn't even exist at the time of the election btw. Then we have Flynn charged with lying - despite the FBI lead investigator disputing that claim. Then we got Papadopolous' 6 days in jail. We have Rick Gates - I believe he gets no jail at all. Then we have Manafort and Cohen on completely unrelated charges - in fact, Cohen is probably the best witness for debunking the entire Russian narrative.

If you are happy with your 37 indictments and want to hold them up to show Trump is scandal-ridden, I think you will find that will be a very weak campaign message in 2020.

#114 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-03-22 08:07 PM | Reply

#109

My guess is Wendy's crinkle fries.

#115 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:08 PM | Reply

Mueller has charged 34 people and three companies. Perhaps you haven't heard.

With what? Obstruction from people committing alleged crimes for personal gain...because they never thought Trump would win, and they were trying to financially gain however they could. Trump hires pieces of garbage. Holy ----, breaking news.

Was Trump colluding with the Russians? No.
Trump intimately connected with Putin like MANY people believed on this site for YEARS? No.
Was this Russian nonsense a way for the DNC to shirk responsibility for the greatest political failure since WW2?

ABSOLUTELY.

You want to drag Trump for whatever -------- this is going forward and declare victory, fine. But that was never the intention from the beginning of this investigation. The FBI pretended for as long as they could leaking intel and the media pumped it as long as they could, and now it's over. No collusion, total witch hunt and excuse to disenfranchise his presidency from day one. The fact of the matter is that the media hated Trump so much after his opening salvo at those first few press conferences, they would have leaked anything that linked him to colluding with the Russians. It never happened, because it never existed.

#116 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-22 08:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I WAS going to go eat supper. I think I'll pass now. Thanks RCADE I really appreciate that.

#117 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-22 08:09 PM | Reply

What I want to see is the Senate take up a bill to denounce any sitting member of congress that claimed the President colluded with Russia or was a traitor. The house won't due it with Pelosi - but maybe the Senate still has integrity. By carrying on this hoax, the MSM and Dems have done the heavy lifting lifting for Putin in weakening our country.

#118 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-03-22 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#108

I have been pointing this out for weeks...Trump's biggest worries are in the SDNY, they will pin something on him, they have been waiting decades for him to come into the Federal crosshairs.

#119 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:10 PM | Reply

the Mueller report will not have disparaging information against Trump or his family.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter

Means nothing of the sort. We have already captured numerous witches and warlocks (mostly warlocks) in this years hunt!!

What it means is that if you have great dreams for Humpy walking away unscathed they are about to be dashed. Mueller did not investigate the President for two years to reveal.. ta da!!!!

Nothingburgers!

Humpy should be so lucky.

How does one explain away all the SomethingBurgers (Magic?? Democratic Witches??) already revealed? Nothing to see here move along? Right.

Good luck with all your dreams of Unaccountable Obstruction of Justice and Unfettered Foreign Influences on our elections!

My dream is to see what that Influence was, how much Influence the Russians (and other foreign powers) had on our elections in 2016 and who helped them.

And then I want to see what we (Congress) are going to do about what we (Congress) found out.

#120 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 08:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Trump intimately connected with Putin like MANY people believed on this site for YEARS? No.

#116 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

Trump was offering to build putin a suite in the trump tower moscow which he denied even existed during the campaign.

That means putin knew trump was lying to the american people. That means putin could at any time prove trump was lying to the american people to hurt trump. That means putin had power over trump.

You simply dont care because he has an R after his name.

let's play "pretend obama did it"...

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 08:12 PM | Reply

#120

Wow, someone is going to be really disappointed in the next couple of days that his dreams won't come true.

#122 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:13 PM | Reply

What I want to see is the Senate take up a bill to denounce any sitting member of congress that claimed the President colluded with Russia or was a traitor. The house won't due it with Pelosi - but maybe the Senate still has integrity. By carrying on this hoax, the MSM and Dems have done the heavy lifting lifting for Putin in weakening our country.

#118 | Posted by nobiasposter101

OUR country? Time for another username comrade.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 08:13 PM | Reply

comrade.

*drink*

#124 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:15 PM | Reply

comrade.

*drink*

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:19 PM | Reply

Donald Trump will not be indicted.

Donald Trump will not be impeached.

Donald Trump will not resign.

Donald Trump will claim Mueller's report completely exonerates him.

Donald Trump may win reelection.

If Donald Trump loses reelection, he may say the election was rigged.

Another truth-unethical, unpatriotic, irrational trumptilians will defend Trump.

Truth Hurts

#127 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-22 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

there will still be a lot of Funk & Wagnalls's mayonnaise jars to unseal.

#128 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-03-22 08:20 PM | Reply

Keep in mind though, that Donald Trump is an unindicted coconspirator with Michael Cohen. Not that it matters. Trump won't be indicted after he leaves the White House.

#129 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-22 08:21 PM | Reply

#118 he is a traitor, toad. 'high crimes & misdemeanors' are extralegal.

#130 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-03-22 08:24 PM | Reply

#127

You are not wrong in the slightest.

#129

Trump has much bigger worries in the SDNY than his hush money payments to his side dishes.

#131 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:24 PM | Reply

Asha Rangappa @AshaRangappa_ (Fmr FBI Special Agent, lawyer, faculty @JacksonYale.)

That Mueller has no more indictments is not surprising. I wrote this in Sept. '17, explaining why the "Mueller report" is a bad fit for CI findings (fortunately, the potential of the committees in the House have improved since then):

Mueller isn't all powerful -- We need an election interference commission

It seems like every day there is a new disclosure about Russia's interference in the presidential election (Friday it was the news that 21 states' voting machines may have been breached).

And every day, Americans place their faith in one man: Robert Mueller. Mueller is great; indeed I used to work under him as a special agent. But Mueller is a creature of a particular legal regime, the special counsel regulations. And those regulations are about law enforcement, at a time when the daily disclosures are about counterintelligence. That is why we need a bipartisan commission to investigate the matter and produce a comprehensive public report.

Those who are hoping that Mueller's investigation will publicly expose the full scope of Russia's efforts will be sorely disappointed -- and neither congressional intelligence committee currently investigating the issue has the capacity to fill in his gaps.
thehill.com

#132 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 08:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"We need an election interference commission"

Is this the new angle?

Don't you think we have spent enough money? Let the SDNY take a crack at Trump, they have been wanting to do it for decades.

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 08:30 PM | Reply

The only reason Nixon left office was that there were tape recordings of his crimes.

Without something very similar, Trump was never going to be run out of office, much less indicted, no matter how many dozens of his minions were, or how many are on their way to prison.

One suspects that the big question after we read the full report, if we ever get to read the full report and get to hear Mueller's explanations of his actions, or lack thereof... the big question will be what kind of laws do we need to pass to make sure that when a President is a criminal, as this one surely is, that he is prosecutable for his crimes.

#134 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-22 08:31 PM | Reply

The only reason Nixon left office was that there were tape recordings of his crimes.

Nixon never would have resigned if Fox News was around back then.

#135 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Some facts

Mueller was tasked with investigating the interference by Russia in our 2016 election.

Remember Reality Winner?

en.wikipedia.org

She received 5 years in prison for releasing classified information regarding the Russian interference with our 2016 election.

What was that information?

Russian hackers had accessed at least one U.S. voting-software supplier

The implications from this revelation, by an incredibly brave woman are immense.

Essentially they call into question the entire election. If Russia was able to hack into voting software suppliers, than our voting system is completely and utterly unreliable.

In my opinion, this issue should be front and center to the Mueller Report, but I believe will not even be mentioned.

theintercept.com

"Despite being consistently the most covered news story of the Trump presidency -- with a seemingly avid readership -- a whistleblower accused of releasing a top-secret National Security Agency document that gave the public an unprecedented window into how U.S. intelligence agencies think Russia tried to interfere has been all but forgotten."

#136 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-22 08:34 PM | Reply

"Is this the new angle?"

No, the article was written in Sept '17 as a warning not to set one's hopes on Mueller--or the Intelligence Committees in Congress to get to the bottom on a CI investigation.

#138 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 08:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tricky Dick News, Fair and Thick.


#139 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-22 08:36 PM | Reply

"Don't you think we have spent enough money? Let the SDNY take a crack at Trump, they have been wanting to do it for decades."

Mueller's investigation has paid for itself. Sure, SDNY can take a crack at Trump, but the Russian interference in the election was bigger than Trump. What exactly has been done to prevent the same kind of interference in 2020? Nothing that I can see.

#140 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 08:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Don't you think we have spent enough money? Let the SDNY take a crack at Trump, they have been wanting to do it for decades.
#133 | Posted by Rightocenter

No law enforcement agency in this country will indict a former president.

#141 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-22 08:38 PM | Reply

From the letter that Barr sent to Congress:
~"The special counsel regulations require that I provide you with a description and explanation of all instance in which the AG concluded that a proposed action by a Special Counsel was so inappropriate or unwarranted under established Dept practices that it should not be pursued' There were no such instances during the SC investigation."~

That's from the picture of the letter, not something I can copy and paste so it's a bit abbreviated.
But what it means is that the SG didn't seek to indict Trump and get blocked by Departmental practices and regulations.

#142 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-22 08:40 PM | Reply

A good question for Mueller will be since we know that Russia did interfere in the election on Trump's behalf, and that many have been indicted for related crimes, were he an ordinary citizen, would he have been indicted for co-conspiring with them given all the Russian contacts he had while they were helping him?

#143 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-22 08:42 PM | Reply

RCADE got me curious. What does Trump's rump taste like??? KFC , mcDonalds?? In and out burger?? Jack n the box?? BK???

#144 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-22 08:46 PM | Reply

RCADE got me curious. What does Trump's rump taste like??? KFC , mcDonalds?? In and out burger?? Jack n the box?? BK???

#145 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-22 08:46 PM | Reply

But what it means is that the SG didn't seek to indict Trump and get blocked by Departmental practices and regulations.

DOJ guidelines are that a president never should be indicted. It would be no surprise at all that Mueller followed them and did not consider indicting Trump.

#146 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-22 08:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A look at some things that Mueller's report could reveal to Congress but not the public:

Now Mueller's Probe is Over, Should and Will His Findings Be Made Public? Law and Past Practice

It's likely, however, that the most important "report" of them all will be the briefing that DOJ must provide to the congressional intelligence committees conveying the results of the counterintelligence investigation Mueller has superintended. In order to comply with the requirement of keeping those committees "fully and currently informed" of the results of the investigation, that briefing -- which will probably include at least some written document -- should include Mueller's assessment, if any, about whether, how and to what extent Trump is compromised or is otherwise unable to perform his constitutional duties on behalf of the nation when it comes to the Russian threat to our electoral system. Does Trump have financial obligations to Russian interests? Was he -- and does he continue to be -- motivated by the prospects of a Moscow Trump Tower? Does Russian intelligence have kompromat on Trump that makes him susceptible to undue influence? Or is there a more benign explanation for Trump's otherwise inexplicable conduct regarding Russia and Putin? The counterintelligence investigation's answers to these and similar questions -- especially its assessment, if any, of the President's current capacity to address the foreign threat -- are of far greater current importance to the functioning of our government than determining whether Trump's conduct in 2016-2017 violated any particular criminal statutes.

www.justsecurity.org

#147 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 08:53 PM | Reply

120

Wow, someone is going to be really disappointed in the next couple of days that his dreams won't come true.

#122 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Is there an echo in here? Like I said, good luck with your Dream.

And

May the best Dream win!!

#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 08:57 PM | Reply

Is this the new angle?

Don't you think we have spent enough money? Let the SDNY take a crack at Trump, they have been wanting to do it for decades.

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter

The government spends a trillion dollars on the military to defend our country but you dont think figuring out how hostile nations attack our elections is worth it?

Just say it - our enemies prefer your party so you dont mind them attacking our country.

#149 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 08:57 PM | Reply

#147

It will be like an ammo dump of live fireworks for the House to investigate further.

Nancy might as some point decide to pull down Trump's pants.

Although Stormy has advised against that.

#150 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-22 08:57 PM | Reply

#147 I'm reading this to say that if Trump was compromised by the Russians in some way, that would be grounds for impeachment (Congress), not criminal prosecution (Mueller), but maybe Mueller's report will clear Trump in that second regard as well.

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 08:59 PM | Reply

Look at the all the Deplorables Frothing and Drewlings!!

You know what is so amusing about all the Deplorables Frothing and Drewlings??

We don't actually know anything more than we did yesterday. Except that the report is done. Finally!!

And thank the Gawds for that. At least we will hopefully possibly maybe almost actually know Something by the 2020 elections.

#152 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 09:03 PM | Reply

Don't you think we have spent enough money? Let the SDNY take a crack at Trump, they have been wanting to do it for decades.

#133 | Posted by Rightosanity

Depends? Have we Locked up Crooked Hillary yet?? Have we found her Benghazi?? How much is enough?? How much do you want to know?? I don't know about you but I have had enough.

More than enough.

But, now, I want to know the truth.

Because we are not getting it from our President.

#153 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 09:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

From Lawfare:

We also know that Mueller is not going to indict more people. Though what precisely this means is unclear, it means at a minimum that we should not expect the major collusion indictment that ties together the earlier Russian hacking allegations and social media indictment with conduct by figures in the Trump campaign. It also means that whatever Mueller found on the obstruction prong of the investigation, it's not resulting in criminal charges either.

The president should wait before popping the champagne corks over this and tweeting in triumph. Yes, in the best-case scenario for the president, Mueller is not proceeding further because he lacks the evidence to do so. But even this possibility contains multitudes: everything from what the president calls "NO COLLUSION!" to evidence that falls just short of adequate to prove criminal conduct to a reasonable jury beyond a reasonable doubt -- evidence that could still prove devastating if the conduct at issue becomes public.

There are other possibilities as well.

www.lawfareblog.com

#154 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 09:19 PM | Reply

#154

Which as been exactly my point-there will be no more indictments, which means that there are no indictments that relate to so-called collusion or in all likelihood, obstruction of justice. That being said, there are plenty of things for the SDNY to sink their teeth into...and they will.

#155 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 09:30 PM | Reply

#153

Has no idea how much he sounds like a T'per on December 7, 2016.

#156 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 09:33 PM | Reply

"We also know that Mueller is not going to indict more people. Though what precisely this means is unclear... "

They could have stopped right there. The odds were ALWAYS he would never indict any more. Once the report was done. It was not part of his deliverable Mueller spoke to us thru his indictments. And his indictments already tell a story and it does not look pretty. It's an ugly story. About a lot of mean nasty ugly people.

And the End is still TBD.

#157 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 09:34 PM | Reply

The alt-right (R)tards, Comrades FakeLawyer, Boazo, and Gracie of spinning themselves dizzy. Their Orange Fuhrer and his idiot spawn need to worry about "state" chrages that will spin off from evidence of this investigation.

This is far from over little boys, it's just the beginning.
It's not going to end well for your Anti-American/Pro Russian side.

#158 | Posted by Aborted_monson at 2019-03-22 09:44 PM | Reply

#142

That was the initial letter required under 28 CFR Part 600 regarding whether there were any irregularities in the investigation, that letter has nothing to do with his summary that he says he will provide this weekend.

#159 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 09:45 PM | Reply

I wonder if the report has anything explosive in it.

Like little donnie dollhands standing in front of reporters and asking Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's email.

#160 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-03-22 09:51 PM | Reply

That being said, there are plenty of things for the SDNY to sink their teeth into...and they will.

#155 | Posted by Rightocenter

So what will be your response to the trump cultists when they say dems are just trying something new because russiagate didn't pan out?

#161 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-22 09:54 PM | Reply

This is just the end of the beginning. Mueller only had one mandate: investigate collusion.

As John McCain quipped, "this thing has more legs than a centipede" (sic)

Trump warned of endless Clinton investigations if she were elected. Quite prescient, except he's the one who's the focus of a myriad of investigations.

#162 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That something new isn't really new, the bank and insurance fraud allegations stem from actions prior to Trump even announcing that he was going to run for President. Now that he is POTUS it elevates from a State matter to a Federal one.

That is where he is in trouble, I am sure that he Feds would love to get a crack at all the NY RE developers.

#163 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 10:05 PM | Reply

"or in all likelihood, obstruction of justice. That being said, there are plenty of things for the SDNY to sink their teeth into...and they will."

I think Cohen hinted that SDNY might be looking into obstruction with regard to his case, but, no, no obstruction with regard to Comey, e.g.

#164 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 10:06 PM | Reply

Trump warned of endless Clinton investigations if she were elected. Quite prescient, except he's the one who's the focus of a myriad of investigations

Unfortunately, this is the new normal...if a Dem wins in 2020, the cycle will begin all over again with endless investigations of the new POTUS.

#165 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 10:06 PM | Reply

Speaking of John McCain, the National Cathedral said "nope, ain't so" regarding Trump's claims to have authorized McCain's funeral, lying in state (congress approves it, not the WH), etc.

National Cathedral on Trump comments on McCain: "Only a state funeral for a former president involves consultation with government officials. No funeral at the Cathedral requires the approval of the president or any other government official."

#166 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 10:07 PM | Reply

#164

Obstruction is really hard to prove, and the Cohen case is even more flimsy than Comey was.

#167 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 10:07 PM | Reply

It's just like old times.
Brings back a heap of good memories! :)

#168 | Posted by Huguenot at 2019-03-22 10:09 PM | Reply

0, the cycle will begin all over again with endless investigations of the new POTUS.

#165 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Thank you Republicans!

For the gift that keeps on giving.

#169 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 10:26 PM | Reply

Where did you find a copy of the report to read? Up trump's ass?

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-

Bingo.

#170 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-22 10:30 PM | Reply

Quick, someone put Zed on suicide watch!!!

#4 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-22 05:1

Why are you people so giddy? You don't know sh--. Round One is over when we get to see Mueller's report, all of it.

Then we have Round Two.

#171 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-22 10:34 PM | Reply

"There will be no more indictments now that the probe is concluded, NBC News has learned."

That being the case, under the Special Counsel regulation the Mueller report will not have disparaging information against Trump or his family.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03

That's right. It'll show they're pure as the driven snow.

#172 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-22 10:38 PM | Reply

Since so many on the Right are demonstrating their psychic abilities tonight, I won't be left out.

The Mueller Report is going to detail scandal, and the push for impeachment will be invigorated.

#173 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-22 10:44 PM | Reply

Subpoenas, sentencings and Stone: What will become of the special counsel's unfinished business?

news.yahoo.com

#174 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 10:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Unfortunately, this is the new normal...if a Dem wins in 2020, the cycle will begin all over again with endless investigations of the new POTUS.

#165 | Posted by Rightocenter

With a couple exceptions, the current crop of Dem candidates have already been thoroughly vetted by the FBI due to their positions in the House and Senate.

More than likely, the Dem winner's terms will be like Obama's 8 years of 0 scandals and 0 indictments of administration officials, but much Republican hand wringing and ridiculous accusations.

Also, the odds are pretty good, considering that next year Republicans will be defending the large majority of seats, the Senate could flip too. That will render them moot insofar as politically motivated, needless investigations are concerned.

And with Trump on the ballot, the large majority of Americans who disapprove of him (he's never broken 50%), and Republican silence on his many misdeeds and ridiculous, daily utterances, it could be quite a rout.

#175 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 10:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"witch hunts" go on for years (white water; benghazi;...). actual prosecutions end far sooner.

#176 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-03-22 10:49 PM | Reply

it could be quite a rout.

#175 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Thank you Mr Mueller for service...once again. I hope he gets a much deserved rest.

Meanwhile

The Hunger for Power Game continues.

And may the odds forever be in our favor!

#177 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-22 10:58 PM | Reply

Obstruction is really hard to prove, and the Cohen case is even more flimsy than Comey was.
#167 | Posted by Rightocenter

Trump bragging about it in a TV interview isnt enough for you?

#178 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-22 11:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Subpoenas, sentencings and Stone: What will become of the special counsel's unfinished business?

news.yahoo.com

#174 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

It would be logical to assume Roger Stone, friend of Trump's for decades, didn't collude with Julian Assange without telling anyone in Trump Tower, where he lived at the time.

Trump knew Roger Stone talked with WikiLeaks about DNC email dump

Donald Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen is prepared to testify that Trump was aware of longtime adviser Roger Stone's efforts to reach out to WikiLeaks (hacked info) in advance of its release of damaging information about Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, according to a copy of his public testimony submitted to Congress and obtained by CNN.


#179 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 11:17 PM | Reply

Lawyer Who Bested Roy Cohn Tapped for Big Gig in SDNY

www.courthousenews.com

#180 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 11:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

0 scandals #175 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-22 10:46 PM
I realize you might not be able to count higher than 0, but fast & furious gun walking, IRS targeting of mostly conservative groups, surveilling the press, his AG meeting with the spouse of a target of their investigation, and his Sec of State removing classified materials from government control all quickly come to mind as scandals in Obama's 8 years and under his watch.

#181 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-22 11:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#181 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

Also given no reporters were even interested in those scandals given the FOIA requests numbers... you know that there were a couple in there that were probably bigger.

#182 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-22 11:24 PM | Reply

if a Dem wins in 2020, the cycle will begin all over again with endless investigations of the new POTUS.
#165 | Posted by Rightocenter

I doubt it, the GOP is a bunch of cowards ....

#183 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-22 11:25 PM | Reply

Audrey Strauss, Long Steeped in White-Collar Enforcement, Takes Over as SDNY's No. 2

Audrey Strauss, a former top in-house lawyer at Alcoa and senior litigation partner at Fried Frank Harris & Jacobson in New York, was named on Friday the second-in-command at the Manhattan U.S. attorney's office, succeeding Robert Khuzami.

The shuffling puts Strauss in line to lead the office's investigation into President Donald Trump's inner circle, a probe that poses a broad threat to Trump and his administration. The Manhattan prosecution office led the case against Trump's former personal lawyer and "fixer," Michael Cohen, who is soon heading to prison for crimes tied to his close connections to Trump.

www.law.com

#184 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-22 11:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Mueller report leaked already?
www.scribd.com

#185 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-23 12:01 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

I hope the public gets to see the full report. Nearly everyone of every political stripe thinks it should be publicly released.

It'll be interesting to discover how deep a conspiracy there was between the Trump campaign and Russia. "Collusion" isn't a legal term. "Conspiracy" is. We've learned about Trump's good buddy, Roger Stone, who was working with Assange (and living at Trump Tower at the time). The SDNY prosecuted Cohen, so they'll probably be the office to roll out more conspiracy charges regarding the election.

As I've heard some former USAs state on TV, Nixon wasn't criminally charged. The findings against him were referred to Congress for impeachment.

Mueller's report is just the end of the beginning ...

#186 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-23 01:44 AM | Reply

Unfortunately, this is the new normal...if a Dem wins in 2020, the cycle will begin all over again with endless investigations of the new POTUS.

#165 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-03-22 10:06 PM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

You have no way of knowing that.

Trumplethinskin burned a lot of people and always walked the edge of criminality... long before he came to office. His "successes" were always deemed dubious... except to the ignorant masses easily dazzled by soap operas and celebrity.

Unless he parts the sea while walking on water before turning it into wine and simultaneously raising the dead... Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace... and has done more damage to the ideals of capitalism that Dubya the flub... who as we all know and by his own words...

"abandoned free-market principles in order to save the free market".

Honestly... I have to laugh every time I type that out... because only a republicl*wn could say something so ludicrous with such sincerity.

#187 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 02:44 AM | Reply

The Muller investigation is done. The damn Yankee is not indited. They put charges on a lot of people for process crimes. Basically paper work submitted to the State Department when dealing with foreign governments. They showed how people with money and power can use those assets to be pretty pedestrian in their desire. If I had 750 million, I could get a date with a porn star, and pay her big bucks to stay quite. But I believe my imagination is a little more creative. As far as it goes, Trump is a sociopath. A pretty common character trait in the leadership of this country, or any country. Sociopaths are known for being amoral, manipulative, vain, self centered and having goal directed behavior to achieve worship.
I know most leftist were enraged that the chief witch of their satanic coven wasn't elected. To me, they are both two sides of the same coin. Essentially the same substance.

#188 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-23 04:35 AM | Reply

perjury is a process crime, dimwit.

#189 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-03-23 06:59 AM | Reply

Americans indicted for colluding with Russians to influence 2016 election: 0.0.

Lift with your knees, don't hurt yourself moving those goal posts.

#190 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-23 07:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I watched Maddow last night. She didn't have enough make up to cover her tracks of tears. She kept saying "I hope this investigation continues". Telling

#191 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 08:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gee, I wonder what is going to be on the news channels this weekend?
#2 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

Chaz scummer will announce naming an extra speshul invegerstashun of muleman colluding with Trump.

#192 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-03-23 08:28 AM | Reply

Trump is a sociopath.

#188 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-23 04:35 AM | Reply

And should be treated accordingly. This is the step some people keep leaving out.

#193 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-23 08:44 AM | Reply

Trump is a sociopath.

#188 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-23 04:35 AM | Reply

You get credit from me. The admission is progress.

#194 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-23 08:48 AM | Reply

The Mueller Report will NEVER become public.

Putin will see to it!

#195 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-03-23 08:50 AM | Reply

Given the investigation, Trump's campaign was probably the cleanest campaign in history.

#196 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-23 09:11 AM | Reply

Lift with your knees, don't hurt yourself moving those goal posts.

#190 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2019-03-23 07:13 AM | FLAG: YAWN

I watched Maddow last night. She didn't have enough make up to cover her tracks of tears. She kept saying "I hope this investigation continues". Telling

#191 | POSTED BY FISHPAW AT 2019-03-23 08:08 AM | FLAG: HOHUM

So what? On both counts. 32 indictments and 192 charges 34 guilty pleas... investigations still underway.
The reason you think it is about collusion because Trumplethinskin told you that is what it is about.

But go ahead... say "Mission Accomplished" if it makes you feel better... we know how well that works for you.

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace... and you are on the wrong side of history.

#197 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 09:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Given the investigation, Trump's campaign was probably the cleanest campaign in history.

#196 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 201

What part of the Mueller Report are you reading? I haven't got that far.

#198 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-23 09:28 AM | Reply

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace... and you are on the wrong side of history.

#197 | Posted by RightisTrite at

The Right's response to the DELIVERY of the Mueller report has been hysterical in the ancient sense of one's uterus floating freely throughout the body.

If it's not what you're HOPING then I know the next phase. Some of you are already practicing it in front of your mirrors.

#199 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-23 09:31 AM | Reply

"I watched Maddow last night. She didn't have enough make up to cover her tracks of tears. She kept saying "I hope this investigation continues". Telling"

Like it or not fool, it will continue as various committees in the House of Representative strive to get the truth and convey it to the American people. Folks like you feel safe suppressing the truth because you know, in your heart, that your President has colluded with Putin and has revealed top secret information to him. You are as treasonous as is Trump..

#200 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-23 09:44 AM | Reply

Democrat diet this weekend.

i1.wp.com

#201 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-23 10:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Poor Danni, you lied for 2 and a half years and got busted. Might be time for you to hide for awhile.

#202 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 10:22 AM | Reply

Zed, if there was no Russian collusion isn't that a good thing for this country? Why are you hoping for bad things? Isn't that treasonous?

#203 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 10:25 AM | Reply

Glenn Greenwald
‏Verified account @ggreenwald

The Mueller investigation is complete and this is a simple fact that will never go away: not one single American was charged, indicted or convicted for conspiring with Russia to influence the 2016 election - not even a low-level volunteer. The number is zero.
2:13 PM - 22 Mar 2019

twitter.com

#204 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-23 10:27 AM | Reply

Zed, if there was no Russian collusion isn't that a good thing for this country? Why are you hoping for bad things? Isn't that treasonous?
#203 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Nothing will make Zed happy since he kicked in his third TV in 2 years and is forced to listen to NPR on his grandpappy's RCA radio console.

#206 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2019-03-23 10:30 AM | Reply

#197 | Posted by RightisTrite, 32 indictments and 192 charges 34 guilty pleas, and not one for things they did while they worked on the Trump campaign. It was what they did long before they were involved with the Damn Yankee. I could care less if he goes to the duper max, as long as his cell is next to the Witch of Arkansas. One thing I did learn about tactics while I was in the service, if you are in a vulnerable situation, attack. They have shot their rod and now look extremely vulnerable. Their is plenty of crap the Clintons did before the election in that slush fund called a foundation that received well over 100 million from foreign governments. Trump didn't erase his hard drives. She did. After that data was subpoenaed. That is called obstruction of justice.

#207 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-23 10:31 AM | Reply

Trumplethinskins said no collusion over and over again... and clowns think that is what it is all about...

Trumplethinskin sold his bill of goods and insisted his skillset with his business acumen were the reason he should hold office... and implications of his comparative honesty relative to Clinton... he even went so far as to bring a group of Bill Clinton's floozys to a debate in order to bolster his superiority to Hillary Clinton... we all know how well that went... snark... his hand size is the only honest thing about him... so far.

Yeah go ahead and say we have no business going into his life before he ran... which is precisely what he did with Hillary... so kma.

Yer doing a heck of a job BROWNOSING... suckers.

He is leaving office in disgrace... and you are on the wrong side of history... I'm sure you're used to it.

If you act quickly... I'm sure you can find a statue to pull down...

#208 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 11:09 AM | Reply

[Trump] even went so far as to bring a group of Bill Clinton's floozys to a debate in order to bolster his superiority to Hillary Clinton... we all know how well that went... - #208 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 11:09 AM
Yes, we all know that he was selected by the United States of America to act as their President instead of her.
snark

#209 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-23 11:27 AM | Reply

One more thing FISHPLOP... making commentary on Rachael Maddow's make up not hiding the tears... seriously? I don't watch cable so I had to wait to see what you were talking about...

Having seen it I am left wondering.... what is it with you clowns and your accusations of others being afraid...or crying... or any number stupid projections? Is that the best you have? We are not the cowards and we are not the crybabies... you are.. which is why you are so easily motivated by fear.

That being said... Rachael Maddow is the consummate professional... and she handles her self like a professional... thus far the best that the clown brigade can come up with is a hack like Jeanine Shapiro.

Personally... I prefer the lighting from the Tennesse studio compared to the NYC studio... NYC lighting tends to flatten the anchors faces out too much for my liking... she looked like she got some sun.... good for her.... although I think the lip gloss was a tad heavier than usual ... but it's been breezy and she was out fishing... and she is a chapstick... soooooo. Maybe Danni or Laura can help me here critiquing her couture... I thought she looked great.

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace... the longer you choose to keep him in office... the worse it will be for you... same as Bushhole2.

#210 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 11:46 AM | Reply

Yes, we all know that he was selected by the United States of America to act as their President instead of her.
snark

#209 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-03-23 11:27 AM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Wellllllll now we know that it didn't happen... and besides... you have no way of knowing that... and even if it were true... better than Melania...and you know I am right about that. Really you need to let go of Trumplethinskin being in office... we accepted that the day after the election... we are over it... but apparently you aren't.

Now try debating me in real-world.. present tense ... and not from your alternative facts gleaned from your alternate reality.

#211 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 11:53 AM | Reply

Now try debating me in real-world -#211 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 11:53 AM
What did you wish to debate about RiT?

#212 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-23 12:02 PM | Reply

Lacking any Russian collusion, non-partisan Americans will see these inquisitions for the witch hunts they are.

#213 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-23 12:26 PM | Reply

Pick your poison. Make sure it's not based on speculation like " if Hillary were elected blah blah blah"... talk about something that is happening present tense.
Seriously I don't know why Thinskinners continue using her ... other than he uses his marginal vote winning over here as some sort of referendum about his awesome skills.

All it was was an election...he won... whoopie... now we get to experience his leadership skills... thus far two years in... they are dubious. The first year in the presidents are coasting on what the previous president did... that is a fact... okay the Obama glow is gone.

Recently he blew it on the Kim negotiations... the shut down was a bad move for him... tax cuts and rising deficits... trade tariffs killing farmers. Why doesn't he release his tax returns as he agreed to do? Is it because his accountants are as lousy as his choice of attorneys? The mountain of scandals that follow him... his inability to demonstrate just how wealthy he is... having the seek money outside the country because no one would lend to him here.

Hillary didn't win... and she is retired... so really there is nothing to talk about there.

#214 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 12:36 PM | Reply

I am not sure what is funnier, Ricky Madcow's crocodile tears or DARisRacist's Gorilla Panic...

#215 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-23 12:44 PM | Reply

Seriously I don't know why Thinskinners continue using her ... other than he uses his marginal vote winning over here as some sort of referendum about his awesome skills. -#214 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 12:36 PM
I don't THINK that a Thinkskinner brought up HRC in your #208, but it's possible that you were referring to someone else's post specifically without referencing it.

Pick your poison
Do you agree that Mueller's lack of indictments of anyone for any conspiracy to affect the 2016 election will bring a close to the accusations of collusion?
Personally, I think that too many will try to point to the DOJ's statutes to not indict a sitting President as the reason that no such indictment occured. While that may have prevented an indictment against Trump, he is the only person that is so protected by the statute, and no one else involved in the conspiracy would be protected. To assume that Mueller left someone unindicted for conspiracy that he was both directed to discover and who was within his power to indict is a flawed assumption. Instead, had Mueller found anyone at all involved in a conspiracy, we'd have seen them indicted, and Trump an unindicted co-conspirator akin to the Watergate investigation. If the media is correct in their reporting that Mueller has no further indictments, no sealed indictments, and no recommendations for further indictments, then I expect all honest people to begin tamping down on the now defunct collusion accusations.

#216 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-23 12:46 PM | Reply

People seem to have reached a lot of conclusions about the report.

As for me, I'm still waiting to hear what's in it. Cuz right now, I have no idea. Any partisan claiming "victory" or "defeat" at this point is just a fool.

#217 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-03-23 12:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you agree that Mueller's lack of indictments of anyone for any conspiracy to affect the 2016 election will bring a close to the accusations of collusion?
Wellllll... so far it sort of looks like that... or not... depending on what your leanings are... but no-one really knows yet... its all speculation... and it really doesn't matter in the long run... mostly because of how Trumplethinskin ran his campaign... and his incumbency.

the rest of your spin is how you see it through the prism of your personal thought processes and unless you are psychic ... you don't know what Meuller's options were/are... none of us do. A couple of years is a long time and a lot of investigation to summarize and conclude.

Personally... I don't think it matters one way or another what happens with the investigation... Trumplethinskin loves to brag about winning against Hillary... via the electoral college... which happened by 70K+ change votes ... when there were 6 million votes against him... which is a far more significant number... because it is more of a majority... and he wasn't lucky enough for us to be attacked to get the country to rally behind him... as it did with Bushhole2 after his contentious victory.

Not only that... he was/is internationally unpopular and most of the world was unhappy with the results. Like it or not... the reality is a democracy is not an electoral college process... and doesn't really happen in the ballot box... but in the streets... and not only in the US.

Pulling an electoral college win is not miraculous... it's shrewd is all. He is going to need to do something that is akin to Vatican certified miraculous to not leave office in disgrace because the majority of people in this nation and the world is NOT on his side... and when the righty tightys threaten us with violence... well its not the first time we have been down this road... they forget they are outnumbered.

#218 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 01:28 PM | Reply

Yes, we all know that he was selected by the United States of America to act as their President instead of her.
snark

#209 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE

The United States selected Hillary.

Russia selected Trump.

And the Electoral College agreed with Russia.

And the really Really REALLY SAD part?

(Here is the part that SHOULD MAKE YOU CRY.)

You and so many of your fellow Deplorables are perfectly ok with that.

😢

#219 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-23 01:29 PM | Reply

The United States selected Hillary. - #219 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-23 01:29 PM

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The states chose Trump. The United States chose Trump.
Yes, most Americans are ok with the President being chosen by the method layed down in the founding documents.

#220 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-23 01:39 PM | Reply

Yes, most Americans are ok with the President being chosen by the method layed down in the founding documents.
#220 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-03-23 01:39 PM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Founding documents? Erm... no... it was established 1804.

And I don't care what the electoral college says... democracy is more of a consensus thing... which sucks for you if you are right leaning.

#221 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-23 02:00 PM | Reply

As of this moment nothing has changed from 3 days ago. We have not seen the Mueller report, we don't know what is in it, and speculation is irrelevant. I refuse to base my reaction on the pratter of a bunch of talking heads who have no way of knowing any more about the report than I do.

#222 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-03-23 03:17 PM | Reply

I'm inclined to believe that if the report said:

"I looked at everything. Our president is truly amazing.

Sincerely,
Robert Mueller"

then Congress and the public would already have unredacted copies.

#223 | Posted by anton at 2019-03-23 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The states chose Trump. The United States chose Trump.
Yes, most Americans are ok with the President being chosen by the method layed down in the founding documents.

#220 | Posted by Avigdore

Actually, a bunch of anonymous unelected ELECTORS chose to ignore the will of the people and appoint trump.

#224 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-23 05:55 PM | Reply

Mueller time is just as disappointing as Fitzmas. Keep waiting Godot or the Great Pumpkin will show up sometime, just got to believe.

#225 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-23 05:55 PM | Reply

#217

Agreed, Mod8

#226 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-23 05:57 PM | Reply

#224. Fair or not the electors followed the will of the people in accordance with the rules of the game.

I'm Men's tennis Federer could take 3 sets 7-6 and lose the other 2 to Nadal 6-0. Nasal would have pretty clearly outplayed Federer, won more games and still lost the match. Is that fair? Maybe, maybe not. But that victory would have been in accordance of the rules and structure governing the match.

This sour grapes thing is getting old. Democrats need to win elections. Period. All of these ideas about changing the rules is a bad look IMO.

#227 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-23 06:04 PM | Reply

Zed, if there was no Russian collusion isn't that a good thing for this country? Why are you hoping for bad things? Isn't that treasonous?

#203 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 10:25 AM

This is a debate you lost years ago.

Take a long, hot bath. Try to wash Trump's stink off.

#228 | Posted by Zed at 2019-03-23 06:10 PM | Reply

Mueller time is just as disappointing as Fitzmas. Keep waiting Godot or the Great Pumpkin will show up sometime, just got to believe.

#229 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-03-23 06:23 PM | Reply

All of these ideas about changing the rules is a bad look IMO.

It's also effectively impossible. There will never be another Constitutional amendment passed. Ever.

#230 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-03-23 06:41 PM | Reply

How many of y'all have actually read one word of the Mueller Report?

230 comments of pure BS.

#231 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-03-23 06:51 PM | Reply

It was a stupid reason for an investigation in the first place. When the clincher for Dems was saying that Trump asked Russia to find Hillary's emails during a campaign speech it was over. Anyone who said that was evidence needs electroshock therapy to bring them back to civilization.

#232 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 07:46 PM | Reply

#231. Make that 231

#233 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-23 07:48 PM | Reply

It's also effectively impossible. There will never be another Constitutional amendment passed. Ever.

There doesn't need to be.
The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is a decent compromise. 270 electoral votes needed to enact it, and it currently has 181. 158 EVs are pending. That's a total of 339, so there's some room if the 158 pending don't all come through.

Fingers crossed.

#234 | Posted by YAV at 2019-03-23 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ricky Madcow's

#215 | Posted by Rightocenter

The fact that republicans all use the same insults and think they're clever each time only shows how unoriginal they are. Unoriginality is just another sign of their low intelligence.

#235 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-24 12:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#235 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Have you read about David Nunes, former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who rushed to the WH to inform Trump about their investigation suing an imaginary cow for $250,000,000 over the @DavidNunesCow account?

What a weak, sniveling little snowflake!

Devin Nunes 'cow' parody account overtakes Nunes in Twitter followers

Nunes's lawsuit is seeking more than $250 million from Twitter, the two parody accounts and Republican operative Liz Mair. The California Republican accused the social media giant of "facilitating defamation on its platform" by allowing the two accounts to remain active.

thehill.com

#236 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-24 02:14 AM | Reply

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact is a decent compromise. 270 electoral votes needed to enact it, and it currently has 181. 158 EVs are pending. That's a total of 339, so there's some room if the 158 pending don't all come through.

Fingers crossed.

#234 | Posted by YAV

We'll have actual democratic elections if that happens.

#237 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-24 02:16 AM | Reply

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace. The sooner the better.

#238 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-24 05:00 AM | Reply

A lifelong Democrat in my blue state (just a little younger than someone old enough to retire) just stated how he left the Democrat party. "They are trying to destroy people" and thought Trump's business savvy gave him potential.

I don't think ANY OF YOU consider how powerful your character assasination doings and malevolent accusation works against you.

And this isn't a full-throated endorsement of Trump.

Remember how petty the GOP seemed over Clinton's issues, no pun intended?

You all look way worse.

And oddly, the media does too. Which isn't good for our democracy.

#239 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-03-24 08:25 AM | Reply

Hillary got more than 3,000,000 more votes, nothing will ever change that. Trump is not a legitimate President and most Americans understand that. No decent American would have even accepted that result, the last person who did was George W. Bush, and please do not try to pretend he was or is a decent human being. Thow who do aren't.

#241 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-24 09:41 AM | Reply

How to Understand the End of the Mueller Investigation (Hint: You Can't Yet)

www.lawfareblog.com

#244 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 11:22 AM | Reply

#243 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It's a LONG piece and I just took a break from reading it. I'll be creating a separate thread for it. Taibi has cred among some of the DR left.

It's increasingly looking like the Obama administration weaponized the FBI and CIA against the Trump campaign and administration. If this is true (still a big if, at this point) it would be one of the biggest scandals in this country's history. According to Taibi, WaPo spent months scouring Prague in search of proof that Cohen had been there and came up empty (can you imagine WaPo dedicated that kind of resources to anything related to Obama?). Yet, the talking point persists. Carter Page was spied on with multiple FISA warrants based predominantly - it appears - on the unverified Steele dossier.

Like Gal says, this story isn't over yet. The thing is, the left and Democrats may not enjoy the next few chapters or the ending.

#245 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 11:53 AM | Reply

Like Gal says, this story isn't over yet. The thing is, the left and Democrats may not enjoy the next few chapters or the ending.

You should have ended your comment with "this story isn't over yet" instead of getting giddy about an outcome you just said isn't known.

#247 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-24 12:04 PM | Reply

instead of getting giddy about an outcome you just said isn't known. POSTED BY RCADE

Applicable from the very beginning, from the media to retort commentators.

#248 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-24 12:06 PM | Reply

You should have ended your comment with "this story isn't over yet" instead of getting giddy about an outcome you just said isn't known.

#247 | POSTED BY RCADE

Fair enough. Having said that, if we are both being honest, you cannot possibly be happy with the current chapter of this story.

#249 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 12:12 PM | Reply

I'm still reading this Taibi piece and it is brutal toward the purveyors of Russiagate.

#250 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 12:13 PM | Reply

A conspiracy is an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime. A conspiracy becomes an actionable crime chargeable against all of the conspirators as soon as any one member of the conspiracy carries out even one overt act in furtherance of that conspiracy.

We all already know (from Trump Jr.'s e-mails, which he produced) that Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort engaged in an email conspiracy to meet with Russian nationals to receive information from them to be used to influence voters in a U.S. presidential election. The overt act in furtherance of that conspiracy was committed when Trump Jr., Kushner & Manafort physically traveled to the appointed location for that meeting and actually did meet there for that purpose. The conspiracy became a complete crime and was actionable against all three of them at that point. Period. What actually happened at the meeting once they did meet does not negate the actionable conspiracy one iota.

So ... Why are Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafirt not being charged with conspiring with Russians to influence a U.S. presidential election? There's no disputing that that is precisely what they did.

#251 | Posted by nimbleswitch at 2019-03-24 12:15 PM | Reply

"It's a LONG piece and I just took a break from reading it."

It is long, and I, too, had to take a break from reading it last night.

#252 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 12:18 PM | Reply

I just finished it, Gal. Creating a new thread now...

#253 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 12:22 PM | Reply

"According to Taibi, WaPo spent months scouring Prague in search of proof that Cohen had been there and came up empty (can you imagine WaPo dedicated that kind of resources to anything related to Obama?)."

I can if Russia had hacked the RNC and Romney or McCain's emails; the Obama campaign had had over a hundred contacts with Russians and then had lied about them; Obama had believed Putin over our IC community regarding the hacking; Obama had met with Putin privately and then pressured the translator to destroy her notes, etc. If all of the above applied to Clinton instead of Obama, the media likewise would have devoted just as many resources for those investigations.

#254 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 12:25 PM | Reply

"I just finished it, Gal. Creating a new thread now..."

I wish Taibi had waited until Mueller's report has been released. He may be proven right in all his points, but he may not be.

#255 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 12:27 PM | Reply

Having said that, if we are both being honest, you cannot possibly be happy with the current chapter of this story.

Why would I be unhappy when we don't know jack ---- about what the report says or what may happen in related investigations?

Your comment is like telling me I should be unhappy that the GOP Senate will never remove Trump from office, as if I ever expected that was a possible outcome. We all know the GOP is too corrupt to hold Trump accountable.

#256 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-24 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why would I be unhappy when we don't know jack ---- about what the report says or what may happen in related investigations?

#256 | POSTED BY RCADE

We know that no more indictments are coming and we know that none of the indictments resulting from this investigation had anything to do with the Trump team conspiring with Russia to affect the outcome of the election.

That has been the driving narrative even before Trump won and said narrative has just been eviscerated.

Don't get too despondent though. Fact is Trump is sleazy and SDNY probably has legitimate goods on him.

#257 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 12:38 PM | Reply

That has been the driving narrative ...

The "driving narrative" can be spun a thousand different ways to suit anybody's purposes. That's all you're doing here when you claim a narrative has been "eviscerated." You want to declare victory so you're inventing a game.

Mueller investigated crimes. Mueller found many of them, including serous crimes by Trump's campaign manager, Trump's National Security Adviser and other Trump advisers.

Did Mueller find more crimes to pursue that some in the media thought he might find? No. But did the media know jack ---- when it engaged in that speculation? Also no.

I am not "despondent" because things I was not expecting or predicting haven't happened. My attitude about Mueller and every other investigation of the Trump crime family is the same: I hope but do not realistically expect U.S. authorities to hold a sitting president legally accountable for anything. Instead they will pass the buck to Congress and the corrupt GOP running the Senate won't do anything.

#258 | Posted by rcade at 2019-03-24 12:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America will not quickly forget that Republicans did NOTHING when Russian interference in our elections took place in 2016.

After over 100 unauthorized and unreported contacts by 17 Trump officials and Trump's secret, unrecorded meetings with Putin, it's no wonder most of the public assumes hanky panky has gone on between the Trump orbit and Russia.

#260 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-03-24 01:24 PM | Reply

I'm still reading this Taibi piece and it is brutal toward the purveyors of Russiagate.

#250 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-03-24 12:13 PM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

Whoopie do! An op-ed piece is not news its opinion, Opinions are allowed and statistically speaking the righty tightys are more inclined towards seeing op-eds as factual news.

BTW the only ones calling it "Russiagate" are the clowns... scandal and gate is your thing.
The rest of us are calling it the Mueller investigations... and I think you and the clown brigade are making too big a deal about our response to the investigation... we are allowed to have and express strong feelings... which started long before the investigations ... mostly because of his decades-long blatantly corrupt behavior... and his stupid public dribble fest with Putin didn't help his cause. Your team has gone so far as to say that it is somehow our fault you stupidly put him in office because we ignored your suffering... absolute nonesnse... skru-u you and your petty self pitying hyperbole.

Really it's more a matter of the clown brigade being upset and all up in our grill because we don't like their newest round of stupid and we are pushing back.. and we have no intention of stopping ... we are not irrational... we are goal oriented.

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace and the Thinskinners are on the wrong side of history.

#261 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-24 01:24 PM | Reply

Or Benghazi:

Oliver Darcy @oliverdarcy

A bit confused by the right-wing pundits who say journalists should apologize for coverage of Mueller's investigation. Did these pundits demand apologies from news organizations for covering the @HillaryClinton email probe when @Comey did not indict? Don't seem to remember that.
9:36 AM - 24 Mar 2019

#262 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-24 01:34 PM | Reply

America will not quickly forget that Republicans did NOTHING when Russian interference in our elections took place in 2016.
After over 100 unauthorized and unreported contacts by 17 Trump officials and Trump's secret, unrecorded meetings with Putin, it's no wonder most of the public assumes hanky panky has gone on between the Trump orbit and Russia.
#260 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY a

well, fortunately the trumptilians are doing everything possible to prevent this from happening again.

#263 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-24 02:08 PM | Reply

Probably the biggest thing to come out of the Mueller investigation was all things Cohen. And is isn't insignificant by any means.

#264 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-24 03:30 PM | Reply

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