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Thursday, March 21, 2019

US companies are moving tech jobs to Canada rather than deal with Trump's immigration policies. Recent immigration data shows the US is issuing fewer total visas to these types of workers than in previous years. This is a result of an executive order Trump issued in 2017 to review the H-1B process and make good on his pledge to "Hire American." It's also made the whole process of sourcing these workers much more difficult, which in turn makes the hiring process more expensive. Some 60 percent of applications required additional paperwork in the last quarter of 2018, twice as much as two years earlier.

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Fat Nixon has no idea what it takes to run an economy like the US. His damage will take decades to unwind.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-03-21 03:36 PM | Reply

If I was looking, it would not be here.

#2 | Posted by bat4255 at 2019-03-21 03:43 PM | Reply

Who would have thought that the guy with the failed casinos, failed airline, failed university, failed vodka business, failed steak business, failed travel search engine, failed mortgage company, failed board game, failed magazine, failed bottled water brand, failed football league, and failed bike race would fail at keeping/recruitijf tech jobs?

#3 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-21 04:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Everyone with a brain said this would happen.

Republicans said it wouldn't.

#4 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-03-21 04:49 PM | Reply

Of course they could always hire people here legally but then they might have to pay more. Someone here on an H1B visa is pretty much an indentured servant. Wonderful for the employer, not so good for employees and job seekers here legally.

#5 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-03-21 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So what? We're bring back coal! And steel mills! And we're building more American cars! And oil jobs! And beautiful, clean coal! Don't sell your house, Lordstown!
--MAGA-hat head shills, toadies and sycophants

#6 | Posted by catdog at 2019-03-21 05:44 PM | Reply

It's interesting that back in 2016 the H-B visa program was decried as Modern Day Slavery and one of the most abused visa programs in history but once Trump agreed with them and his administration tries to address the problems with the program he is now "destroying the tech industry!!!!"

TDS at its finest.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-21 06:56 PM | Reply

"destroying the tech industry!!!!" Is a false position you assigned to troll libs.

The truth is found in the very article you posted: "For a number of US companies that means expanding their operations in Canada, where hiring foreign nationals is much easier."

The tech industry will be fine.

And it will also be less American, thanks to Trump.

Apparently you think the loss of those jobs and tax revenue is really only politically meaningful as a way to troll libs.

Perhaps it's because you're not a participant in the high-tech economy, but you're wrong about that.

America leads the world in high-tech manufacturing.

Apparently you're okay with giving up some of that lead, since your biggest concern is how that loss might affect the libs.

(For normal people, the concern is how it might affect the American econony.)

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-21 07:15 PM | Reply

Is a false position you assigned to troll libs.

It's abundantly clear that the screams of anguish that proceeded my post were taking that position.

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-21 07:58 PM | Reply

Nope. None of those posts predicted the visa reduction would result in the of the tech industry.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-21 08:04 PM | Reply

#10

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-21 08:09 PM | Reply

Why would I feel better about American jobs going to Canada?

Perhaps if I got one...

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-21 08:20 PM | Reply


@#7 ... his administration tries to address the problems with the program ...

Pres Trump did not address the problems of the program. He merely shifted the problems.

If he had addressed the problems of the program, our tech industries would not be moving to Canada.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-21 10:11 PM | Reply

All it takes is to lose the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs and we lose the race.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-21 11:59 PM | Reply

The concept of gaining back losses is stupid. No country is able to beat us. We only give up the crown willingly. Once we are not on top, we will never be again.

#15 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-22 12:00 AM | Reply

US companies are moving tech jobs to Canada rather than deal with Trump's immigration policies.

This is incorrect .....

Tech is moving to Canada because its cheaper ....

If you aren't Google, Facebook, Apple or Netflix ... your labor cost for an avg SW engineer in the $200K range in the Bay Area, so you can imagine what a Senior engineer is making. I know for a fact some companies are paying in the $350K range for architects and software leads.

We only give up the crown willingly.

No this isn't true .. you need to under stand elastic pricing .. this is happening in the labor market.

All it takes is to lose the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs and we lose the race.
#14 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Bruce study the history of the automobile industry ... only speed it up 20X ....

Those days of "Halt and Catch Fire" are over ....

#16 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-22 12:16 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only reason such people earn such large amounts is that there are not enough of those people to satisfy demand and then Trump decides, arbitrarily, to not allow more of such trained people into the country. So, Canada, decides to allow them into their country and the tech companies move to Canada. Another brilliant strategy by Trump to build industry in other countries. Wasn't it enough that he gave our soy bean farming industry to Brazil? We have a "bull in a china shop" pretending to be intelligent when he is actually a dope.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-22 06:56 AM | Reply


@#16 ... Tech is moving to Canada because its cheaper .... ...

That is correct.

But you need to continue to dig into... why is it cheaper now for Tech companies to move to Canada?

Stated differently, why do the tech companies no longer think it is worth it to stay in the US?

The cited article goes into detail about that.

#18 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-22 10:50 AM | Reply

That's awesome! I'd much rather the jobs go to Canada than India. Closing the geographical distance is a big win for many businesses who need people in person but not all the time.

The worst, most sorriest excuse the rich have come up with is what we hear all the time, "For the most part, the reason US companies are hiring international tech labor is because there aren't enough skilled Americans to do that work. "

Basically, what happened in India is that the US invested in their infrastructure, which went to training their people, which meant qualified applicants. If you took all the money that Amazon, Google, etc. pay for their lobbying and all the money spent on providing aid to India and such, those companies could have their own training centers and create their own qualified applications. Sure, some would leave, but they would leave to other companies who need them. So the "not enough skilled workers" excuse goes away. But that won't happen because of one simple truth (and I know this is true for a $34 billion organization because I signed off on salaries, but that's just one company, I know), and that truth is best explained by fixing that quote above to "For the most part, the reason US companies are hiring international tech labor is because there aren't enough skilled Americans to do that work FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE CAN PAY OFFSHORE EMPLOYEES." If they would ever mandate that offshore workers are required to be paid the same as domestic workers, you would see the international tech labor numbers decrease significantly.

#19 | Posted by humtake at 2019-03-22 12:17 PM | Reply

This was evident in the late 90's. American techs were moving to exotic places like Kuwait to work. My friend from Montreal BEGGED me in 2010 to move to Canada. Today, I sorely regret not listening to her.

***facepalm***

#20 | Posted by MisterCarajo at 2019-03-22 06:50 PM | Reply

if they would ever mandate that offshore workers are required to be paid the same as domestic workers, you would see the international tech labor numbers decrease significantly.

#19 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE

...But that would be government "interfering in the markets" and "picking winners and losers", and we can't have that, can we?

#21 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-23 03:29 AM | Reply

I'm not all that knowledgeable about tech jobs but I do know this, at least one American car manufacturer chose to locate a new factory in Canada spedifically because of the savings they would realize due to the Canadian health care system. Expecting employers to pay for healthcare is an impediment to them locating in the U.S. Our system is simply stupid and the only Americans benefiting from it are the unnecessary insurance companies. We forfeit about 20% of our healthcare dollars to them for no good reason.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-23 05:30 AM | Reply

"If they would ever mandate that offshore workers are required to be paid the same as domestic workers, you would see the international tech labor numbers decrease significantly."

I agree but now identify "they". I think, if you are honest, "they" are the Republicans who oppose any and all avenues to raise incomes for tech workers, all workers.When folks like you finally get honest with yourselves you'll admit who it is that suppresses wages for everyone and who use issues like abortion, gay rights, guns and illegal immigration to divide us and thereby allow them to do as Donald Trump does, import cheap labor to replace Americans. It's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

#23 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-23 05:35 AM | Reply

#16 Tech jobs are moving to NC for many of the same reasons. You can pay a SW engineer 90k and an architect 125k and with Duke, UNC, and NCSU you get a lot of quality people with local roots. Add in a fantastic CC with WTCC and even your lower level drones are plentiful and well educated.

With average house price of 273k vs SF average house price of 1.365M the engineer making 1/3 is still doing 2x better than the one in SF.

#24 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-03-23 06:35 AM | Reply

I've no problem with our neighbor to the north becoming a tech hub.

#25 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-03-23 11:01 AM | Reply

I didn't know all the illegals heading north were techies.

#26 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-23 11:50 AM | Reply

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