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Thursday, March 14, 2019

Lethal Mass Partisanship: The American Constitution's authors were deeply concerned about the mortal dangers posed by political parties for American democracy and its citizens alike. James Madison wrote in Federalist #10 that partisan majorities in small democracies would inevitably "sacrifice the weaker party" and produce "spectacles of turbulence and contention," which explained why democracies had historically been "short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." He argued that a large, diverse nation and a carefully designed constitution would save the American republic from a similar fate. The Framers were right to worry but wrong about preventing partisan disaster. Divisions over slavery led Southern Democrats to reject the legitimate 1860 presidential election, inaugurating a civil war that killed three-quarters of a million Americans, the population equivalent of 7 million today. Partisan violence shook the nation on a smaller scale in the decades before and after the rebellion, meant to press electoral advantages and, in the post-war South, inseparable from defending and extending white supremacy.

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I encourage my fellow DR cohorts to click the embedded piece and read it - it's not long.

This is a great point:

Given the extraordinary complexity and difficulty of most political and cultural challenges, American activism and political engagement should be marked by humility and openness to opposing views. After all, who has the easy and obvious formula for racial reconciliation? For peace in the Middle East? For the repair of the American family? For sustained economic growth across all social classes in the midst of an ongoing technological revolution?

But I suppose if you believe that your opponent is more jackal than human, then there's no real need to engage -- except to destroy. All the interesting conversations will be on your side of the aisle only.


I really liked this:

We human beings are messy mixtures of virtue and vice, and while there are vices so profound that they render a person unfit for presence in the public square, we should be very careful indeed before we try to punish a man for his thoughts. How many of history's greatest artists -- of its most interesting thinkers -- would pass our modern partisan purity tests?

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 10:54 AM | Reply

"Partisan Hate Is Becoming a National Crisis"

what are you doing to elevate all this?

certainly running cover for Tucker on another thread cant be construed as "partisan".

but let me guess. its someone else's fault, right.

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-14 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

but let me guess. its someone else's fault, right.
#2 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

In the old days, stupid people knew they were stupid. They knew they were F-ups, and were forgiven for it.

Since the advent of the interweb, stupid people think they have suddenly gotten smarter because they can surround themselves with other stupid people, so that they are in a stupidity filled echo chamber. Stupidity becomes normalized, not stigmatized.

#3 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-03-14 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

But I suppose if you believe that your opponent is more jackal than human, then there's no real need to engage

Or Douche

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 11:11 AM | Reply

Kudzu,

This thread topic has nothing to do with stupidity.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 11:22 AM | Reply

"Ruth Bader Ginsburg Poster Defiled With Swastika, Hate Speech In Brooklyn. The NYPD is investigating the anti-Semitic vandalism as a possible hate crime"

the left is intolerant and partisan

-- jeffyj

#6 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-14 11:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This guy is a jerk. I'm getting a rope.

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-03-14 11:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think the vast majority of the world population would agree that the world would be much better off without US conservatives. Any rational person can come to that conclusion.

#8 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 12:43 PM | Reply

speaking of partisan hate

the author emphasizes this as if it is the bases of their beliefs:
"American activism and political engagement should be marked by humility and openness to opposing views"

which is totally contradicted by this:

"The President of the United States is encouraging the military, police, and bikers to violently attack his critics on the left."

you would think you jackholes would have learned your lesson by now

every time you take to your moral soapbox, the standard bearers of your own ideology kicks it out from underneath you

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-14 01:38 PM | Reply

Why?

All the right has to do is drop the tiki torches.. stop shooting or running over people who disagree with them.
Meeehhhh.... Its hard to expect that from the Trumplethinskin sector of republicl*wnery? Their little feelers get hurt so easily.

I remember back in the day... they said that about activists too... then they used to shoot college students.

We were right then and we are right now.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-14 01:45 PM | Reply

That's why there's no mention of parties in the Constitution. I don't understand how they got so much power when they are private non-government entities.

#11 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-03-14 02:17 PM | Reply

GOP acts poorly -> everyone gets upset about it -> GOP says the displeasure over their actions will make them do ever more horrible things -> everyone gets upset about it -> GOP continues the beatings until morale improves.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-14 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10

This is a bipartisan problem, Trite.

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 02:37 PM | Reply

"This is a bipartisan problem"

So when Did Obama threaten to use the military, police and black panthers on "conservatives"?

#14 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-14 02:39 PM | Reply

"This is a bipartisan problem"

Threatening opponents with guns and bodily harm is a feature of modern "conservatism"

This isn't a bipartisan problem

This is a Right-Wing problem, as demonstrated by the words of the leader of the "right"

You are a spineless POS, jeffyj

#15 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-14 02:46 PM | Reply

We as a nation are continuously overreacting to "the other side"

As a microcosm, its like overreacting to the messages on bumper stickers on the backs of cars and trucks.

We not only hate the message of the bumper sticker, we cast our nets of resentment far and wide and project our hatred and end up despising the vehicle it is placed on and our own pre-fashioned notions of the person who probably drives it.

Then one day, we find ourselves broken down on the side of the road and that bumper sticker on that car or that truck stops and offers a smile and a helping hand.

And then we perhaps realize the folly of our thoughts and actions, but only until the next bumper sticker drives by and catches our attention. We are conditioned to both react and to provoke the next reaction. And on and on the self-perpetuating cycle goes on.

The Monsters are out on Maple street, folks.

#16 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-14 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pretty good article and true. Right to form people like Chief and Tripe show us why this is a problem. Just start throwing out insults and blaming the right without even reading the article. They have no ability to look at both sides of an issue.

#17 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-14 03:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So when Did Obama threaten to use the military, police and black panthers on "conservatives"?

#14 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES AT 2019-03-14 02:39 PM | FLAG:

Did Trump threaten to use them on Democrats? What is your point?

#18 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-03-14 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This thread topic has nothing to do with stupidity.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ

It does in a way.

The stupid used to be restricted to their immediate locales. They were pat on the head and rendered harmless by those around them.

Only smarter, driven people moved around considerably and, therefore, spread their views.

Now, stupid people can find other stupid people and find a sense of normalcy, which beguiles them into thinking that they're normal and their views are anything but absurd.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People aren't tolerating conservatives' racist, cruel, anti-science garbage anymore. At the exact same time, conservatives have amped up their garbage by electing a garbage person like Trump. The result is a powder keg.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Did Trump threaten to use them on Democrats? What is your point?

#18 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

Yes

(though, he threatened violence from biker gangs rather than black panthers)

#21 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-03-14 03:48 PM | Reply

#20 So, it's all the fault of conservatives? Uh huh, right. / snark

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19 | POSTED BY JPW

You're describing groupthink. Yes, groupthink is definitely part of the problem.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 03:51 PM | Reply

Stupid + groupthink is the problem.

Intelligence + groupthink can bring us wonderful things.

Stupidity + groupthink brings us DOTUS and the current iteration of the Republican party.

#24 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Joe,

People aren't tolerating conservatives' racist, cruel, anti-science garbage anymore

Ok. Do you think that lack of tolerance should be at this level:

"42 percent of the people in each party view the opposition as ‘downright evil.'" A stunning 20 percent of Democrats and 16 percent of Republicans believe "we'd be better off as a country if large numbers of the opposing party in the public today just died." And if the opposing party wins the 2020 election, 18 percent of Democrats and 13 percent of Republicans "feel violence would be justified."

We hear quite a bit about "dehumanizing rhetoric" in American public life. Well, it appears that tens of millions of Americans now have dehumanizing beliefs. "One out of five Republicans and Democrats agree with the statement that their political adversaries ‘lack the traits to be considered fully human -- they behave like animals.'"


#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 03:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#24 JPW - I pose the same question in #25 to you.

Intelligence + groupthink can bring us wonderful things. Groupthink is a big reason why trust in the MSM is at record lows. I consider an overwhelming majority of people within the MSM to be intelligent.

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 03:58 PM | Reply

-Intelligence + groupthink can bring us wonderful things.

I agree but you can't get past the fact that we are always going to have a bottom half in intelligence.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-14 04:09 PM | Reply

I pose the same question in #25 to you.

Of course not.

I think the vast majority of people who are vocal about politics are simply dumb. They're regurgitating what they've heard elsewhere that sums up their views and thinks they're smart because that, in their mind, amounts to "research". There's an undeserved sense of entitlement among people in general, whereby any regurgitated nonsense they shart is expected to be respected and taken seriously.

This attitude has been bred in to our populace at large across the spectrum. Add into that situation the viewers and click based media (no, I'm not talking MSM...I mean internet based media and cable news) that uses sensationalism and contentious/inflammatory rhetoric and you've got where we are today.

Dumb, programmed people entitled to feel offended and angry.

Why else do you think the numbers are fairly consistent between the left and right? On the bell curve of political beliefs, those most upset are the left and right most quartiles (roughly). People that are smart enough to be in the middle are still in the middle.

#28 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 04:11 PM | Reply

Do you think that lack of tolerance should be at this level

No, and i wish it wasn't. Just explaining why, from my perspective, it is.

There are many other factors, including dehumanizing rhetoric adopted by politicians, 24-hour news, the internet, social media, trolls whose sole purpose is to sow discord among Americans, the list goes on.

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 04:13 PM | Reply

I agree but you can't get past the fact that we are always going to have a bottom half in intelligence.

#27 | Posted by eberly

I completely agree and would add that stupid + groupthink is far more dangerous because the threshold to achieve true believer status is much much MUCH lower. When a lot of really smart people all agree on something it's because that concept has earned it. Sometimes it seems that the opposite is true for stupid + groupthink (see chemtrails, anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, anti-climate science ect ect).

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 04:14 PM | Reply

If you want people to stop thinking you're evil you should stop acting evil

Truthhurts word of wisdom for today

#31 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-14 04:32 PM | Reply

#29 and #30

Thanks for the thoughtful answers, guys.

#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 04:56 PM | Reply

What about mine?

Just another example of partisan hate!

#33 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-03-14 04:59 PM | Reply

"I completely agree and would add that stupid + groupthink is far more dangerous"

That concept is one of the most basic reasons for the politics among those who get their news from Fox News. They are like a tribe and if you disagree you are rejected from the group and considered an enemy. It can even have ramifications about friendships, jobs, even marriages. The tribalism of the right is the basis for their success but it is also very dangerous to democracy and the stability of our nation. Some lunatic like Trump could decide to invade Venezuela and millions of right wingers, who know nothing about Venezuela, would nod their heads and go along while calling dissenters traitors. If he chose to invade Iran they would do the same and if they had a moment of clarity and realized the insanity of it they would either keep it to themselves or become an outcast.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-15 09:27 AM | Reply

They all want to go to heaven Danni... even if it means making hell on earth.

#35 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-15 09:37 AM | Reply

Just wait for these Trumpish sub-humans open fire.

MAGA

#36 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-03-15 11:47 AM | Reply

There ain't no good guy ... there ain't no bad guy. There's only you and me, and we just disagree.

#37 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-03-15 06:30 PM | Reply

That concept is one of the most basic reasons for the politics among those who get their news from CNN. They are like a tribe and if you disagree you are rejected from the group and considered an enemy. It can even have ramifications about friendships, jobs, even marriages. The tribalism of the left is the basis for their success but it is also very dangerous to democracy and the stability of our nation. Some lunatic like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could decide to ban personal ownership of a motored vehicle and millions of left wingers, who know nothing about places without public transportation, would nod their heads and go along while calling dissenters traitors. If she chose to provide economic security for those who are unwilling to work they would do the same and if they had a moment of clarity and realized the insanity of it they would either keep it to themselves or become an outcast.

See how that has more to do with people and ideological purity than it does with left or right wings?

#38 | Posted by Merovigan at 2019-03-15 06:39 PM | Reply

"How many of history's greatest artists -- of its most interesting thinkers -- would pass our modern partisan purity tests?
#1 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

What's your actual agenda here?
I have provided a writing prompt to get things started:
"Michael Jackson was a great artist."

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-15 08:25 PM | Reply

They are like a tribe and if you disagree you are rejected from the group and considered an enemy.

Yea, Danni, Democrats/liberals never act like that. /snark

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-16 12:12 PM | Reply

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