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Thursday, March 14, 2019

Beto for America is the team working to build a grassroots movement and win the Democratic nomination for president. Our campaign will be positive, and it will be powered by volunteers. This is a campaign by all of us for all of us. Our staff will not just focus on the traditional battleground states. We're offering meaningful volunteer roles for people wherever they are -- from Alaska to Puerto Rico. As Beto wrote as he launched this campaign, "at this moment where we could make or break our democracy, where we will decide the fate of generations to come on this planet -- we must all ask what each of us can give to this country and to the people who will inherit the consequences of our choices ... The challenges we face are the greatest in living memory. The connected crises in our economy, our democracy and our climate will either consume us or they will afford us the opportunity to demonstrate our resolve, our creativity and our courage."

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Is this guy considered a moderate?

#1 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-14 08:13 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This makes the primary interesting.

Sanders better represents my politics. On the other hand i think O'Rourke has more mass appeal, and i want Trump gone.

Decisions, decisions.

#2 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 08:24 AM | Reply

I'm on board with Beto!

#3 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 08:27 AM | Reply

Isn't this the same guy who lost to a guy with all the personal charisma of a rattlesnake? Too moderate for the Dems, too far left for the rest of the voters. But who knows, he is pretty, and he can speak well enough. Problem is he can not debate worth a damn. He has no clear message except to say he is not Trump. I doubt that does the trick. Better sometimes to have the devil we know.

#4 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-14 08:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Finally... a non geezer.

Sorry Bernie bots... time for him time for your hypocritical Vermont F-35 bomber boy to retire...

a pig is a pig is a pig.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-14 08:29 AM | Reply

Isn't this the same guy who lost to a guy with all the personal charisma of a rattlesnake?

Yes, says a lot about Texas, doesn't it?

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 08:30 AM | Reply

"Isn't this the same guy who lost to a guy with all the personal charisma of a rattlesnake?"

America isn't defined by Texas.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 08:41 AM | Reply

America isnt defined by California either

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-14 08:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

Cool. I'll have to read up on his policy positions.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-14 08:59 AM | Reply

The alt-right (R)tard fear is thick in this thread.

#10 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-03-14 09:13 AM | Reply

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The alt-right (R)tard fear is thick in this thread.

#11 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-03-14 09:13 AM | Reply

Is this guy considered a moderate?

#1 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-03-14 08:13 AM | REPLY

He votes more conservatively than many Republicans.

#12 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-14 09:17 AM | Reply

Moderate voting record, young-ish, white, male, ivy league education, hipsanic appeal, beloved by the only Dem kingmakers that matter, the donor class.

He's way to reasonable of a choice to win anymore.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-14 09:19 AM | Reply

Once again saying things twice does not make it true, #10 and #11.

Beto is not presidential nickname. His name is Robert Francis O'Rouke.

#14 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-14 09:21 AM | Reply

Beto is not presidential nickname

You're right. "Guy Who Raw-Dogs Pornstars and Illegally Pays them to Shut Up" has a more presidential ring to it.

#15 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 09:32 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 3

Good one, Joe.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 09:58 AM | Reply

Why not?

#17 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-14 10:03 AM | Reply

Another PEFP*

(Progressive Except For Palestine)

#18 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-14 10:06 AM | Reply

You're right. "Guy Who Raw-Dogs Pornstars and Illegally Pays them to Shut Up" has a more presidential ring to it.
#15 | POSTED BY JOE

What's really bad for you is that what you said has a high probability of being made up. The fact that anti-Trump media lies 90% of the time and then when proven wrong, doesn't retract, but moves on to the next lie.

I'm just sayen.

#19 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-14 10:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Gracie wants to vote for a Republican who has a nickname for his over-eager penis-- like "Jerry" or "Captain Toadstool"

#20 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-14 10:08 AM | Reply

#19 only liars think everyone lies all the time.

You lead a sad life.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-14 10:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

what you said has a high probability of being made up

No it doesn't.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 10:14 AM | Reply

Basic common sense is antidote to moronic con talking points.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-03-14 10:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Unfortunately Beto's chances went up in smoke by having the temerity to admit he's a capitalist, in a hotly anti-capitalist election cycle.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-14 10:26 AM | Reply

"Unfortunately Beto's chances went up in smoke by having the temerity to admit he's a capitalist, in a hotly anti-capitalist election cycle."

When will Trump admit he is a Fascist?

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 10:34 AM | Reply

Wanting to tear down the existing border barriers ought to be popular with the leftists that dominate the Dem primaries. After that...

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 10:40 AM | Reply

What I find amusing is that Elizabeth Warren is all of a sudden talking about free markets and capitalism in a positive light. She's pivoting to the middle WAY too early. She should be pushing Communism right now.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Is this guy considered a moderate?

No, he's on a mission from God.

"Man, I'm just born to be in it."

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 10:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

BicuspidBeto/HangEmHighHarris

Your Democratic party ticket for 2020 ....

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 11:09 AM | Reply

Can someone tell me what I'm supposed to like about this guy?

He's taken big donations from AT&T and other corporations.

Does he offer anything that the other candidates don't?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What I find amusing is that Elizabeth Warren is all of a sudden talking about free markets and capitalism in a positive light. She's pivoting to the middle WAY too early. She should be pushing Communism right now.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ

Aww fox news told you shes a commie and you fell for it? How cute.

She's been pro REGULATED capitalism all along.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America isnt defined by California either

#8 | Posted by boaz

California defines america twice as well as texas does.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I never said, or thought, she is a commie, you dolt.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 11:18 AM | Reply

--Does he offer anything that the other candidates don't?

Some progressives don't think so, but he could put Texas in play. The other candidates are blue-staters.

Beto 2020 Has No Reason to Exist
Of all the major candidates, he brings the least to the Democratic primary.
slate.com

#34 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

America isnt defined by California either

#8 | Posted by boaz

California defines america twice as well as texas does.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Actually, the real danger for liberals would be in thinking that the Democratic Party is defined by California. It's not. No matter how far in front of the curve we may think we are.

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-03-14 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The fact that anti-Trump media lies 90% of the time and then when proven wrong, doesn't retract, but moves on to the next lie."

Link or Lie.

Define "anti-trump".
Define "lie".
Define"90%".
Define "wrong".
Define "retract".

I don't think these things mean what you think they mean.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-14 11:23 AM | Reply

Does he offer anything that the other candidates don't?

Massive fundraising and turnout, for starters.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 11:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Massive fundraising and turnout, for starters.

#37 | Posted by JOE

Well dems didn't care about that in 2016 so...

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:32 AM | Reply

Massive fundraising and turnout, for starters.

#37 | Posted by JOE

But what's the appeal that lead to massive fundraising and turnout? What it just massive hatred of ted cruz?

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I never said, or thought, she is a commie, you dolt.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ

Oh i see you were just suggesting a NON commie "should be pushing Communism right now."

You realize we can all see these posts right?

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:35 AM | Reply

Some progressives don't think so, but he could put Texas in play.

#34 | Posted by nullifidian

If that's his only appeal, then he has no appeal. Dems aint winning texas.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Let's look at his record:

voted to deregulate banks
loves AIPAC
supports fracking
voted with GOP a lot
Voted to fast track TPP
Broke no fossil fuel $ pledge
didn't back medicare 4 all
Didn't back fight for 15
lost to ted cruz

He's perfect!

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--You realize we can all see these posts right?

Evidently, you don't realize it was a joke, you uptight, humorless drone

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 11:39 AM | Reply

Evidently, you don't realize it was a joke, you uptight, humorless drone

#43 | Posted by nullifidian

Sorry, since your cult elected a con man, there is no stupid statement that can be recognized as a joke anymore. The things that used to be obvious jokes are now serious republican policies.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm on board with Beto!

#3 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-03-14 08:27 AM | FLAG:

You were on board with Hillary too. Good luck with that

#45 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-14 11:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Oh i see you were just suggesting a NON commie "should be pushing Communism right now."
You realize we can all see these posts right?

#40 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Given your cult's fetish for things like the GND, which would require Communism to fully implement, I said she's making a tactical error singing the praises of Capitalism and the markets this early in the primary. On that, I was being serious. My comment that she should instead be singing the praises of Communism was exaggeration for effect; essentially, a joke.

You seriously need to lighten up. I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be wound up as tight as you are.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 11:54 AM | Reply

--I'm on board with Beto!

All hat, no cattle.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 11:55 AM | Reply

Finally... a non geezer.

Sorry Bernie bots... time for him time for your hypocritical Vermont F-35 bomber boy to retire...

a pig is a pig is a pig.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite

Oh good. A youthful corporate shill. Just what america needs.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is this guy considered a moderate?

#1 | POSTED BY B

You couldn't define moderate if your life was at stake.

#49 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-14 11:55 AM | Reply

You seriously need to lighten up. I can't even imagine what it must feel like to be wound up as tight as you are.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ

I'll lighten up when your cult stops killing people and endangering the world with their stupid political choices. As of now, there is nothing to laugh about unless youre a sociopath.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 11:56 AM | Reply

Moderate voting record, young-ish, white, male, ivy league education, hipsanic appeal, beloved by the only Dem kingmakers that matter, the donor class.

He's way to reasonable of a choice to win anymore.

#13 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

I loathe how we've come into a trend of categorizing candidates by age, gender, or color; nevertheless Beto is my favorite thus far in the DNC field.

I wouldn't change my registration to vote for him in the primary, but I like what he brings to the table. It will be interesting to see how he matches up against Harris, Gabbard, and Sanders in debates. One thing is certain is that he will have the funding to go the distance and stay in the race.

#51 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-14 12:07 PM | Reply

He's brings an Obama appeal to the table, with a blank slate of serious policy ideas, charisma, and youthful appearance. If he wins the DNC he will have to avoid the HRC VP mistake (stale white bread, with matching charisma of that comparison) and select an interesting but experienced female candidate such as Harris or Duckworth, IMO.

#52 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-14 12:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Well dems didn't care about that in 2016 so...

And look how that turned out for them.

Like him or not, Beto is (if nothing else) a gifted orator who inspires people to leave their houses and vote.

Very few people were inspired to vote for Hillary. Many held their noses or stayed home altogether. If you ignore or attack a candidate who people actually want to vote for, you do so at your own peril.

#53 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#42 All i did was look into your claim that he "supports fracking" and i found that to be a lie. I wonder how much of the rest of your list is a lie.

#54 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

--He's brings an Obama appeal to the table,

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#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 12:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

I was over at Media Matters looking for something else when I stumbled upon this:

"Brian Kilmeade complains that Vanity Fair feature on Beto O'Rourke "point[s] out that he has this huge library. As if it's a big plus that he reads books.""

www.mediamatters.org

Thought that anyone even listens to anything that clown ways.

#56 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 12:18 PM | Reply

I'll lighten up when your cult stops killing people and endangering the world with their stupid political choices. As of now, there is nothing to laugh about unless youre a sociopath.

#50 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Literally nothing to laugh about?

Lemme guess - if you were at a small get-together and somebody popped a comedic movie in the Blu Ray you'd walk out of the room and stay out until it was over.

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 12:21 PM | Reply

www.mediamatters.org

The president of that organization is an open racist.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 12:22 PM | Reply

Like him or not, Beto is (if nothing else) a gifted orator who inspires people to leave their houses and vote.
Very few people were inspired to vote for Hillary. Many held their noses or stayed home altogether. If you ignore or attack a candidate who people actually want to vote for, you do so at your own peril.

#53 | POSTED BY JOE

Very true. Campaigning for POTUS is more of a popularity contest than a campaign on serious issues. O'Rourke is affable and that goes a long way.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The president of that organization is an open racist.
#58 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Much like the current president of the United States.

#60 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-14 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh boy hopefully he runs a ticket with Gillibrand and we can eliminate both conservatives at once.

#61 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 12:34 PM | Reply

Massive fundraising and turnout, for starters.

#37 | POSTED BY JOE

Less than Bernie. Probably less than Harris so far too.

#62 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

O'Rourke is affable and that goes a long way.
#59 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

If Beto had an R after his name instead of a D, we would be hearing he was boarding-school-attending judge's son who dodged serious charges for the DUI & burglary, used eminent domain to gentrify poor Latino neighborhoods & married into a billionaire's family, and a long dissertation that his hand movements prove he is crazy

But here we are ....

#63 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The president of that organization is an open racist.

#58 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

No, now be correct, :) he used to be an open racist, he's been hiding it ever since he started MediaMatters

#64 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 12:37 PM | Reply

Less than Bernie. Probably less than Harris so far too.
#62 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

How much do you need? kinda goes against liberal doctrine, no?

#65 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 12:38 PM | Reply

Less than Bernie.

I don't see how you could know that. Beto set a record when he raised $79M for a Senate race. We'll see how he does raising money in a crowded presidential field, but when it's just him i don't think you can deny his fundraising prowess.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

I posted this in 2008. Just change the name from Obama to Beto.

"Obama knows this, and so his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind. You can't run against him on the issues because you can't even find him on the ideological spectrum. Obama's "Man for all seasons" act is so perfect in its particulars that just about anyone can find a bit of himself somewhere in the candidate's background, whether in his genes or his upbringing. You can be white, you can be black, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be from the American heartland or from Africa ... you can even, according to his book The Audacity of Hope, worship Norse Gods or bury your relatives according to Hawaiian rituals"

www.alternet.org

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

#63 We hear about those things all the time. That's what useful idiots like you are for.

#68 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 12:58 PM | Reply

POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

100% co-sign.

#69 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-14 01:12 PM | Reply

Like him or not, Beto is (if nothing else) a gifted orator who inspires people to leave their houses and vote.

Very few people were inspired to vote for Hillary. Many held their noses or stayed home altogether. If you ignore or attack a candidate who people actually want to vote for, you do so at your own peril.

#53 | Posted by JOE

Was that because of beto or because of their hatred of cruz?

I think it is dangerous to think this guy has obama appeal when much of his success came from running against the most disliked man in politics.

#70 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 01:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I posted this in 2008. Just change the name from Obama to Beto.

"Obama knows this, and so his entire political persona is an ingeniously crafted human cipher, a man without race, ideology, geographic allegiances, or, indeed, sharp edges of any kind. You can't run against him on the issues because you can't even find him on the ideological spectrum. Obama's "Man for all seasons" act is so perfect in its particulars that just about anyone can find a bit of himself somewhere in the candidate's background, whether in his genes or his upbringing. You can be white, you can be black, you can be Christian, you can be Muslim, you can be from the American heartland or from Africa ... you can even, according to his book The Audacity of Hope, worship Norse Gods or bury your relatives according to Hawaiian rituals"

www.alternet.org

#67 | Posted by nullifidian

Exactly. And then obama ended up being a puppet for the banks and insurance companies who did massive damage to the democratic party.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 01:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#71 You sound like you're spazzing out. Bernie is obviously preferable. But if your #1 goal is to beat Trump, you better pay attention to the popular guy.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

The BernieBros over at Splinter are in a tizzy over this - they know Beto has more of a broad base appeal since he's more of moderate like Biden, but younger. Can't wait for the two to debate.

#73 | Posted by taxman at 2019-03-14 01:33 PM | Reply

#71 You sound like you're spazzing out. Bernie is obviously preferable. But if your #1 goal is to beat Trump, you better pay attention to the popular guy.

#72 | Posted by JOE

Tell that to dems in 2016.

Beating trump is my number one goal and I'll vote for beto if he's on the ticket.

My concerns are these: A lot of the dem base is not going to get off the couch to vote for a white male candidate. White males have screwed them over a lot in life, and they don't trust white males, no matter who it is. They want another obama.

The anti establishment voters aren't going to vote for a guy who takes corporate bribe money. Beto takes corporate bribe money.

So if he's not going to get the anti establishment voters, and he's not going to get the identity politics voters, how is he going to beat trump?

#74 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

O'Rourke is affable and that goes a long way.

It's refreshing to hear a positive message instead of how screwed up America is. O'Rourke has that going for him...which is nice.

#75 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-03-14 02:06 PM | Reply

#66 | POSTED BY JOE

I'm not denying it, I'm just pointing out that it is not a feature unique to him and therefore bears little weight in considering him over other declared candidates.

#76 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 02:09 PM | Reply

they know Beto has more of a broad base appeal since he's more of moderate like Biden, but younger.
#73 | POSTED BY TAXMAN

If his age and appeal to moderates is what sets him apart, he's going to disappear into Andrew Yang's shadow after the first debate.

#77 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 02:10 PM | Reply

--Beto takes corporate bribe money.

It's puzzling that ShriekLoudly is so hostile to Bob.

Tom Elliott
‏ @tomselliott

.@BetoORourke endorses the #GreenNewDeal:

"This is our final chance. The scientists are unanimous that we have no more than 12 years to take incredibly bold action on this crisis. My gratitude for the young people who have stepped up to offer such a bold proposal."
twitter.com

#78 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-14 02:18 PM | Reply

Dulli still endorsing Trump and brown kids in cages.

Figures.

Beto will run a campaign of progressive policies and inclusive tactics... just no white supremacy or Tinkle Down economics.

I hope he does well enough to pull both Biden and Bernie supporters to his campaign.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-14 02:32 PM | Reply

.@BetoORourke endorses the #GreenNewDeal:

"This is our final chance. The scientists are unanimous that we have no more than 12 years to take incredibly bold action on this crisis. My gratitude for the young people who have stepped up to offer such a bold proposal."
twitter.com

#78 | Posted by nullifidian

Because talk is cheap. When you take money from exxon and frackers you are not going to do all you can to move to green energy.

Obama talked progressive too while taking bankers money, then let the get away with crashing the world economy.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 02:37 PM | Reply

Obama talked progressive too while taking bankers money, then let the get away with crashing the world economy.

#80 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

I've explained it to you before - Obama didn't go after the bankers because prominent members of both parties, who were complicit, would have gotten dragged into it.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 02:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#80 |

Almost as bad as voting with the NRA on gun votes and bringing the MIC into your state to build the war machine!

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-14 02:40 PM | Reply

it is not a feature unique to him

Again, facts not in evidence. Bernie raised a ton up front (including from me). Will he outraise Beto through the primary? I say that's 50/50.

#83 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 03:01 PM | Reply

I've explained it to you before - Obama didn't go after the bankers because prominent members of both parties, who were complicit, would have gotten dragged into it.

#81 | Posted by JeffJ

So what? A real progressive would have jumped at the chance to cast these banking puppets out of our government.

#84 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 03:01 PM | Reply

Almost as bad as voting with the NRA on gun votes and bringing the MIC into your state to build the war machine!

#82 | Posted by Corky

Yes doing what you constituents want is so terrible. This talking point has been your newest toy for several months now.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes doing what you constituents want is so terrible. This talking point has been your newest toy for several months now.

#85 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-03-14 03:02 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Keep this in mind if/when you complain about Beto's votes in the House.

#86 | Posted by taxman at 2019-03-14 03:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Will he outraise Beto through the primary? I say that's 50/50.

#83 | POSTED BY JOE

Which invalidates your point that Beto is some magical fundraiser. So far he's done nothing special in the fundraising department.

#87 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-14 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Ok.

Beto's not a good fundraiser.

You got me.

#88 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 03:27 PM | Reply

Keep this in mind if/when you complain about Beto's votes in the House.

#86 | Posted by taxman

Fair enough.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 03:31 PM | Reply

The fact that anti-Trump media lies 90% of the time and then when proven wrong, doesn't retract, but moves on to the next lie.

I'm just sayen.

#19 | Posted by JordyPete

This guy is like Sniper but with grammar.

#90 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

He's brings an Obama appeal to the table, with a blank slate of serious policy ideas, charisma, and youthful appearance. If he wins the DNC he will have to avoid the HRC VP mistake (stale white bread, with matching charisma of that comparison) and select an interesting but experienced female candidate such as Harris or Duckworth, IMO.

#52 | Posted by GOnoles92

52 posts in and finally something worth reading.

#91 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Beto had an R after his name instead of a D, we would be hearing he was boarding-school-attending judge's son who dodged serious charges for the DUI & burglary, used eminent domain to gentrify poor Latino neighborhoods & married into a billionaire's family, and a long dissertation that his hand movements prove he is crazy

But here we are ....

#63 | Posted by AndreaMackris

And because Trump has an R after his name all we hear about is his business success, beautiful wife and daughter and *gag* patriotism and love for America.

In other words, you have less than zero credibility to comment on this.

#92 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Beto will run a campaign of progressive policies and inclusive tactics...

Yeah, but he's a white guy.

So all the "woke" folks will complain that he's triggering them by being condescending and patronizing and will use that attempt at inclusion as clear evidence that he's a privileged cis white male who *lower lip quivering* doesn't understand *stamps foot* how hard *throws hands up in frustration* their lives are!

#93 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

When you take money from exxon and frackers you are not going to do all you can to move to green energy.

That depends on whether the Exxon thinks they have the market cornered on a green energy technology.

#94 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 03:55 PM | Reply

Yeah, but he's a white guy.

So all the "woke" folks will complain that he's triggering them by being condescending and patronizing and will use that attempt at inclusion as clear evidence that he's a privileged cis white male who *lower lip quivering* doesn't understand *stamps foot* how hard *throws hands up in frustration* their lives are!

#93 | Posted by jpw

Exactly. A good portion of the dem base isn't going to support a white guy no matter what. Just like a good portion of the repub base isn't going to support anyone BUT a white guy.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 04:08 PM | Reply

Exactly. A good portion of the dem base isn't going to support a white guy no matter what. Just like a good portion of the repub base isn't going to support anyone BUT a white guy.

Yup.

The way I see it you have 30% of the right who'll vote lockstep no matter how vile the candidate (they gave us Trump)=solid 30%

Then you have about 30% of the left who care more about a candidate's skin color or reproductive organs and end up infighting about such nonsense = fractured 30%

And in the middle you have 40% who tend to lean to one side more often than not but are, overall, generally disgusted with things and consider staying home a real option = unknown 40%.

Actually, now that I think about it, Trump and the GOP's strategy are pretty solid. Let the left fall on it's own foam larping sword and turn off the middle so much that your solid, mouthbreating 30% base carries the day. Cynical, but genius in a way.

#96 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 04:25 PM | Reply

A good portion of the dem base isn't going to support a white guy no matter what.

Is that why Joe Biden is the frontrunner in most polls?

Where are you getting this from?

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 04:26 PM | Reply

Is that why Joe Biden is the frontrunner in most polls?

With at most a third of the respondents supporting him.

There's plenty of room in there for identity politic playing fools to undercut the Dems.

#98 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 04:30 PM | Reply

Is that why Joe Biden is the frontrunner in most polls?

Where are you getting this from?

#97 | Posted by JOE

Biden might be the one exception because of his association with obama, but he'd still have lower minority turnout than obama did. How many presidential races did he have to quit before he got some of obama's fragrance on him?

#99 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Yes doing what you constituents want is so terrible.

Standing up for one's principles rather than selling them out for votes to stay in office would seem to violate your Puridopian Hypocrisy senses.... well, unless of course it's your guy.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-14 05:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You guys clearly aren't going to be convinced. If you don't think a guy who almost turned Texas blue would be a great turnout generator nationwide, i'm not going to bother arguing about it.

#101 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-14 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Just so I understand these complicated Puridopian Rules...

Clinton, Obama, Warren, most Dems... accepting campaign donations from corps and industry lobbyists to help pay expenses to campaign get votes = Bad!

Bernie casting Senate votes for NRA gun law positions to get votes to stay in office, that said other Dems voted against, and voting for MIC F-35 manufacturing to get votes = Good!

Got it.

#102 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-14 05:09 PM | Reply

#101

Beto can't pass Purity Sniffing Tests, so he's a really bad person... do try to keep up, Joe!

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-14 05:10 PM | Reply

"Is that why Joe Biden is the frontrunner in most polls?"

Part of it is name recognition.

"Biden might be the one exception because of his association with obama, but he'd still have lower minority turnout than obama did."

Biden help up his minority turnout by picking someone like Harris for VP. Ditto Bernie if he picked someone like Stacey Abrams.

#104 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-14 05:12 PM | Reply

This could have just as easily been written by JPW:

I don't want to see the Democratic party become so radical -- and so obsessed with matters of race and privilege -- that even Beto is too "moderate" to win.

www.nationalreview.com

#105 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't know anything about Beto except his comments about kneeling during the national anthem that went viral. Don't know anything about Buttigieg either except that he is getting a lot of good buzz since his CNN townhall, which I didn't' see. I don't know much about a lot of the candidates who are running. They won't be coming to NY to do townhalls, so watching the debates will be essential.

#106 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-14 05:18 PM | Reply

-I don't know anything about Beto

Neither do I. Until he starts raising some real money or polls higher......I won't pay much attention.

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-14 05:21 PM | Reply

"Man, I'm just born to be in it."

Is he referring to the Democratic presidential race or the Oval office? Beto has got some explaining to do.

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-14 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"My concerns are these: A lot of the dem base is not going to get off the couch to vote for a white male candidate. "

See post #104.

#109 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-14 05:49 PM | Reply

Standing up for one's principles rather than selling them out for votes to stay in office would seem to violate your Puridopian Hypocrisy senses.... well, unless of course it's your guy.

#100 | Posted by Corky

You seem to be under the impression that I demand my candidates to be perfect, which is the only way you can explain someone rejecting hillary - they must think that she wasn't perfect but bernie was.

In truth, I vote for the lesser evil, always. Bernie was imperfect, simply FAR less so than hillary.

Time for a new strategy. Whatever you do, never admit that hillary sucked and was a sellout and nominating her was stupid ok?

#110 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I don't want to see the Democratic party become so radical -- and so obsessed with matters of race and privilege -- that even Beto is too "moderate" to win.

www.nationalreview.com

#105 | Posted by JeffJ

Repubs dont want dems to be liberal. What a shocking revelation.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 05:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Repubs dont want dems to be liberal. What a shocking revelation.

#111 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

He was speaking primarily about the Democrats' current radical obsession with identity politics, which is something you often lament.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-14 06:13 PM | Reply

He was speaking primarily about the Democrats' current radical obsession with identity politics, which is something you often lament.

#112 | Posted by JeffJ

In that reference, beto isn't too moderate, he's too white. And that is possibly true. His skin color would definitely be held against him by some of the dem base. However it would also win him some possible support from racists who wouldnt consider anyone who WASNT white? Nah who am I kidding, the racists are voting for trump no matter what. He's their king.

#113 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 07:00 PM | Reply

Great article:

splinternews.com

The Hubris of Beto O'Rourke

"So it's safe to assume policy will not be the defining characteristic of Beto's candidacy. Instead, as the new Vanity Fair profile of him revealed, his campaign will be based around the fact that he thinks he'd be so darn good at running for president.

These two things -- his unwillingness to commit himself to specific policies and his belief that he's a singularly gifted politician -- are connected.

All that hope-y change-y stuff fizzled when Obama got in office, but if you're grading on the strength of the message alone -- which you are, if your argument for Beto is that he's a good politician -- Beto can't compare. He has only the sheerest gloss of the Obama rhetoric -- no red states and blue states, and so on -- but none of the other stuff that actually got people "fired up, ready to go," and no understanding of how and why that worked.

But the thing is, that hope-y change-y stuff did fizzle, and a generation of people who grew up under Obama learned how galling it is to be promised big change and end up with the Affordable Care Act and a $6,000 deductible. Many people in my generation can't imagine the future because of climate change, have thousands in student loan debt, ------ or no healthcare, and will never be able to afford a house. I don't know how many of us can be fooled again.

We don't need more soaring rhetoric about this being a "defining moment of truth." We need someone who will tax the rich and pass Medicare for All. And that's never going to be Beto O'Rourke.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Topher Spiro @TopherSpiro

Beto and Buttigieg have indicated support for opening Medicare to all, while allowing people to keep their employer coverage. This idea polls at 74% overall and at **91%** among Democrats.

twitter.com

#115 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-14 07:52 PM | Reply

Way smarter, honest, mentally and emotionally stable, and competent than Trump.
...
Then again, who isn't?

#116 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-03-14 10:17 PM | Reply

#105 awwww dude. You just ruined my street cred. 😤

#117 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-14 11:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I don't agree with Beto on everything, but if he can turn Texas blue in 2020 and begin the end of the Republican Party as we know it, and where we can shrink it down to the size that we can drown it in a bathtub, then he is worthy of being on the ticket at a minimum.

He and the folks to the left of his political stances can work things out later.

America needs to excise the cancerous tumor that is Trump and the modern day Republican Party thru Congessional Action and the voting booth!

#118 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-03-15 04:54 AM | Reply

- In truth, I vote for the lesser evil, always.

You need to reread Chomsky. The qualification is the lesser evil that can win.

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-15 09:28 AM | Reply

Repubs dont want dems to be liberal. What a shocking revelation.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

So you disagree that the Dems are splintered right now?

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-15 11:11 AM | Reply

Seriously, these STUPID Russians on here are really annoying!

#121 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-03-15 11:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So you disagree that the Dems are splintered right now?

#120 | Posted by jpw

Why would I disagree with that? I argue on this site every day with dems who still think the only reason hillary lost is because bernie was too mean to her.

Dems are splintered because we are at a crossroads and we can only go in one direction. Some dems want to follow the populist wave and reclaim the party from the plutocrats. The other dems think we can win republican voters if we act like republicans. Other group thinks the key to success is pure identity politics - that people with different skin colors and -------- are better people. You can't take all these paths so we are fighting about which path to take.

#122 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You need to reread Chomsky. The qualification is the lesser evil that can win.

#119 | Posted by Corky

Your predictions about who can win have proven to be very very wrong.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 01:26 PM | Reply

I can hope for one Dem candidate over another, but the bottom line for me will be the 2(?) SC Justices that the next president has to choose. RBG is 85 and Breyer is 80, and I would much rather a Democrat - any Democrat - make those choices, rather than a Republican. Hopefully Democrats don't shred one another so badly that Trump wins again - which is still entirely possible, and some might say - likely.

#124 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2019-03-15 03:16 PM | Reply

Hopefully Democrats don't shred one another so badly that Trump wins again - which is still entirely possible, and some might say - likely.

#124 | Posted by HeeHaw

I'm not sure how 20 candidates are supposed to run against each other without trying to point out each other's faults.

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 03:22 PM | Reply

I'm not sure how 20 candidates are supposed to run against each other without trying to point out each other's faults.

#124 | Speaks

I'm not sure how they are supposed to do that either, and ordinarily I wouldn't really worry about how many are running. Pointing out faults is one thing - destroying each other is something else. I guess as the campaign plays out we'll see what happens, and hopefully as candidates fold, their supporters don't feel alienated/pissed enough to stay home on election day, or worse, vote for Dotard. Presidents come and go, justices are there for life, and they are who Democrats/liberals should be worried about at this point, at least in my mind. To each their own.

#126 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2019-03-15 03:44 PM | Reply

I'm not sure how they are supposed to do that either, and ordinarily I wouldn't really worry about how many are running. Pointing out faults is one thing - destroying each other is something else.
#126 | Posted by HeeHaw

In 2016, bernie could have gone after hillary so much harder and he didn't. He DEFENDED her on the email scandal. Yet her fans still scream about how hard he was on her to this day.

Hillary and bernie were actually very civil to each other. Not sure how they could have been more so.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#127 - Hopefully civility continues between candidates - and, more importantly, their supporters. I didn't think Bernie did anything to Hilary that was necessarily 'bad' (disclaimer, I voted Bernie). But, even though he lost, I didn't stay home thinking 'screw her, no way Trump wins', either. You mention identity politics, and I don't think that's a winner, at all, so hopefully that isn't the path that is chosen. I would say, if there IS an identity Democrats need to focus on, it's 'working class people'. They come in all colors.

#128 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2019-03-15 05:28 PM | Reply

Imo, the DNC is deliberately sabotaging Bernie with their corporate employees running.

I hope the Democrat party is dissolved. What a fraud.

#129 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-03-15 05:31 PM | Reply

#127 - Hopefully civility continues between candidates - and, more importantly, their supporters. I didn't think Bernie did anything to Hilary that was necessarily 'bad' (disclaimer, I voted Bernie). But, even though he lost, I didn't stay home thinking 'screw her, no way Trump wins', either. You mention identity politics, and I don't think that's a winner, at all, so hopefully that isn't the path that is chosen. I would say, if there IS an identity Democrats need to focus on, it's 'working class people'. They come in all colors.

#128 | Posted by HeeHaw

Bernie's approach is to help working class people. But he's a white man, so the identity politics crowd wont listen to him or trust him. Catering to the identity politics crowd will make dems lose the working class crowd, but catering to the identity politics crowd will make them lose the working class crowd. So they need to calculate which crowd is more critical and go after them.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 06:13 PM | Reply

"I hope the Democrat party is dissolved." - #129 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-03-15 05:31 PM

Why hope for the dissolution of something that does not exist?

#131 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-15 06:15 PM | Reply

Re 130, I agree. I believe you also mention 3 groups of Democrats in #122 (sorry if I misunderstand) and say the candidates/party need to focus on which group which is most critical. I think the more 'groups' there are, the more risk of completely alienating one, and Dems won't win with 1/3 (or whatever) of their people on the bench, or just saying 'f*** it' altogether. While i welcome the ideas, and like the fact that there is push to move the party left, it does carry some risk. My dad was Dem in the MO State Legislature from 78 to 94, and used to chuckle about the Republicans being stuck in offices in the basement of the capitol, powerless. Now, a Dem cant get elected in MO, and moving further left wont fix that, at least around here. These idiots will vote for Trump while they watch their beans rot in the field and collect their (socialist!, gasp) subsidy check. IDK what it'll take to get those folks back, but its definitely not identity politics.

#132 | Posted by HeeHaw at 2019-03-15 07:02 PM | Reply

"I don't want to see the Democratic party become so radical -- and so obsessed with matters of race and privilege -- that even Beto is too "moderate" to win."

www.nationalreview.com

#105 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

What? Identity politics and the fact that Beto is white are not what make him a moderate. What makes him moderate is his voting record and coattail policies that fall short of what the country needs.

#133 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-15 08:24 PM | Reply

This just in:

New Vanity Fair article

#134 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-15 09:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

That is some funny chit.

#135 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-03-15 09:18 PM | Reply

"That is some funny chit." - #135 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-03-15 09:18 PM

On par with the meme nulli keeps posting: Vanilla Obama.

And speaking of nulli, next time you see him please ask if I can borrow his face for a few days while my ass is on vacation.

Thanks, 101.

#136 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-15 09:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

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