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Tuesday, March 12, 2019

The only two nations still flying a substantial numbers of Boeing 737 MAX 8s are the United States and Canada. India's aviation authority is grounding the Boeing 737 MAX immediately, according to a tweet from the Ministry of Civil Aviation. "These planes will be grounded till appropriate modifications and safety measures are undertaken to ensure their safe operations," the tweet reads. Fly Dubai said on its Facebook page that its fleet of Boeing 737 MAX 8 and 9 was also grounded, on a directive from Dubai's General Civil Aviation Authority. It will use its fleet of Boeing 737-800 aircraft for flights instead to minimize disruption. A growing number of airlines around the globe have announced they won't fly the planes until they know what happened in Sunday's fatal crash of an Ethiopian Airlines jet, which killed all aboard. Yet Boeing said no grounding is needed.

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Yup. Two planeloads of dead bodies ain't enough to upset Boeing CEO's.

#1 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-03-12 05:27 PM | Reply

I asked a friend from high school who happens to be an airline pilot if he'd flown the Max and what did he think of these incidents, and he gave me his thoughts:

Delta doesn't have the 737-Max. The Lion Air crash last October is troubling, based on the preliminary reports. There was a fault with the angle of attack sensor that feeds data to the airspeed indicators. One of the three airspeed sources was erroneous resulting in conflicting information. This in itself is challenging, but should not have been a serious problem. Boeing installed a new system on the 737 Max called the "Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS)." The MCAS uses the horizontal stabilizer trim to force the nose down when the aircraft reaches a critical angle of attack (close to aerodynamic stall).

The problem is that Boeing added this to the Max without notifying the operators that bought it. Since it is an existing type rating, no additional pilot training is required to fly it. The Lion Air pilots were fighting that auto trim without knowing it was happening. If the MCAS is a factor with the Ethiopian accident, it will be a huge problem for Boeing.

#2 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-03-12 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Boeing to Upgrade Software in 737 MAX 8 Fleet in 'Weeks'
www.nytimes.com

...Boeing Co confirmed late on Monday it will deploy a software upgrade to the 737 MAX 8, a few hours after the Federal Aviation Administration said it would mandate "design changes" in the aircraft by April....

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-12 08:09 PM | Reply

Yup. Two planeloads of dead bodies ain't enough to upset Boeing CEO's.

#1 | Posted by Nixon

Or the politicians who take their bribe money.

#4 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-12 08:11 PM | Reply

My daughter is going on a school trip next week, on a chartered Southwest Airlines flight. I had to make sure it wasn't a Max 8.

I'm an aviator by trade. I think that there is something messed up with that aircraft.

#5 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-12 08:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I think that there is something messed up with that aircraft"

It actually flies pretty well. The problem is with the landing-- it lands when its not supposed to.

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-12 09:04 PM | Reply

"I'm an aviator by trade. I think that there is something messed up with that aircraft."

Why?
I don't yet know enough to have an opinion, is why I ask.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-12 09:33 PM | Reply

"I don't yet know enough to have an opinion, is why I ask."

Early indications suggest that the aircraft was exhibiting signs of runaway stabilizer trim, but that's really something you would see in older aircraft. And it's easy to correct if you know what's going on. When it comes to modern aircraft, I don't know if there is such a thing as runaway stab trim. It sounds more like the flight software is misinterpreting pitot/static inputs and correcting in a way that is dangerous. Two more US pilots just reported incidents where the aircraft experienced uncommanded descents when the autpilot was engaged.

Most pilots in the US, Europe, and the Gulf States have pretty serious military training. I think they could recognize the problem and correct appropriately. I'm not confident that a pilot in Indonesia or Ethopia would have the same level of training, especially if you consider that modern aircraft are designed for the pilot to be a redundancy.

#8 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-12 09:56 PM | Reply

Ah, corporate money rules again! Turtle McConnel must be so happy!!

#9 | Posted by zelkova at 2019-03-12 10:17 PM | Reply

...And then, there's this:

"Boeing wouldn't comment Tuesday on the delayed FAA discussions, but the company did confirm the upcoming changes to its MAX aircraft. They are expected to come sometime in April.

According to the WSJ, US officials have also blamed part of the delay on this year's government shutdown -- saying it halted work for at least five weeks". nypost.com

But, hey, who needs the government to be in operation, anyway. It's only a matter of life and death. BUILD, uh, FINISH THE WALL!!

#10 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-13 01:02 AM | Reply

Most pilots in the US, Europe, and the Gulf States have pretty serious military training. I think they could recognize the problem and correct appropriately. I'm not confident that a pilot in Indonesia or Ethopia would have the same level of training, especially if you consider that modern aircraft are designed for the pilot to be a redundancy.

That was my first thought. Our pilots are better.

#11 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-13 07:47 AM | Reply

That was my first thought. Our pilots are better.

Of course it was. You're a stupid ------- racist and anything that plays into that excites you.

#12 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 08:17 AM | Reply

On topic, it seems awfully suspect that the only countries that haven't grounded these planes just happen to be the ones where Boeing has a large corporate presence. The fact that Boeing has agreed to implement a software update to me makes it obvious that the planes should at minimum be grounded until then, if not longer to get time to confirm that the fix worked. It sounds like the FAA is siding with corporate power over human lives.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 08:22 AM | Reply

The switch to disable MACS is directly under to the throttle and easily accessible the entire duration of flight ops. No reason to ground anything.

#14 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-13 08:59 AM | Reply

and the second crash was billowing smoke before it hit the ground. Not a MACS issue.

#15 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-13 08:59 AM | Reply

At this point Boeing is not to blame. It's the person that buys a plane ticket to fly on those planes. Buyer beware. Enough people buy elsewhere the problem will resolve itself.

#16 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-13 09:23 AM | Reply

At this point Boeing is not to blame. It's the person that buys a plane ticket to fly on those planes.

Classic free marketeer nonsense, completely detached from reality.

If someone has somewhere they need to be, they should have a right to take the flight of their choosing without being at increased risk of death due to known problems with an aircraft.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 10:10 AM | Reply

The 737 has been around for a long time.

The crash in Ethiopia is more likely due to a lack of maintenance than it is a design flaw.

From what I've read, the black boxes have been recovered and will likely shed some light.

#18 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 10:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The 737 has been around for a long time.
The crash in Ethiopia is more likely due to a lack of maintenance than it is a design flaw.

It doesn't sound like you've been paying attention. The 737 MAX 8 has not been around very long at all, and initial signs point to this being a software/automation failure.

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 10:34 AM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY JOE

I stand corrected.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 10:50 AM | Reply

The 737 has been around for a long time.

#18 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-03-13 10:12 AM | REPLY

The MAX series is so new it's first test flight was less than 3 years ago, only 400 of the 5100 ordered have been delivered.

It's not a lack of maintenance, but far more likely improperly performed maintenance compounded by pilot error due to fighting errors in the MACS system. Aircraft crashes are very, very rarely a single source issue. They are cascade failures of complex systems.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-13 11:13 AM | Reply

Awesome. Another story to get outraged about because people have nothing better to do.

#22 | Posted by humtake at 2019-03-13 11:35 AM | Reply

Yeah, Sitz. Joe already schooled my ignorance on this.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 11:42 AM | Reply

#22 You're right I don't have anything better to do than avoid dying in a plane crash. What are you up to?

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 11:47 AM | Reply

Might be worrying too much about the wrong thing. You are still overwhelmingly likely to die in a car crash on the way to the airport.

#25 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-13 11:58 AM | Reply

#17 LOL You have a right to be somewhere? By all means you buy a ticket on that plane. Do you also depend of the government's food pyramid to know how and what to eat?

#26 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-13 12:12 PM | Reply

#25 Those odds might be different if you're on a 737 MAX 8.

#26 Can you even read?

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 12:16 PM | Reply

"Trump says FAA will ground Boeing 737 Max 8, 737 Max 9 planes following deadly Ethiopian Airlines crash"

There is a recurrent theme from the Democrats that Trump doesn't care about Americans. They were proved wrong, again.

#28 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-13 03:25 PM | Reply

"If someone has somewhere they need to be, they should have a right to take the flight of their choosing without being at increased risk of death due to known problems with an aircraft."

If you're not looking at the type of jet you'll be flying on before you buy the ticket, that's on you. I'm not aware of any destination that is only serviced by one type of aircraft.

#29 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#28

The bloated child rapist proved he doesn't care about Americans by easing pollution restrictions. You're wrong, again.

www.nytimes.com

#30 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-03-13 03:34 PM | Reply

Canada's grounded them, and any flights from the U.S. over Canada that use the Max 8 are now forbidden.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2019-03-13 03:34 PM | Reply

Banned in the U.S. now, too. Finally.

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2019-03-13 03:39 PM | Reply

There is a recurrent theme from the Democrats that Trump doesn't care about Americans.

He cares deeply about one. And one of his kids.

#33 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-03-13 08:22 PM | Reply

Ya do realize that the 737, a plane that has been around for more than 30 years has flown more miles than any model ever flown, and has proven it's self to be the safest model ever made. If there is a problem, they will find it. But no one knows anything for sure yet. The most dangerous thing a plane does is take off. The problem may be in the software, but we don't know yet. Most plane crashes are caused by pilot error. But it is easier to blame the plane. It is much more difficult to question a dead man.

#34 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-03-14 11:08 AM | Reply

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