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Tuesday, March 12, 2019

A new report out this month from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) makes it clearer than ever that this dynamic of workers falling behind is not some kind of statistical aberration or case of bad luck. Policymakers in America have made it a hell of a lot harder, by design, to move up in the world compared to the way things work in other countries. And despite low unemployment and other signs of a booming economy, it's probably only going to get worse from here.

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yup.

the tax bill being chortled as a "success" right now by the resident DR "economics major" on another thread prohibits small business owners from deducting non-reimbursable expense's while allowing individuals to deduct maintenance on their yachts

total freakin' sham

#1 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-12 02:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Lee strikes again with another good article today....

"Among other things, as detailed analyses at the Washington Post and New York have already pointed out, workers' share of the national income is uniquely low -- and has fallen uniquely fast -- in the US.

The government also provides much less support for fired or laid-off people than other countries do, and that lack of support can haunt the unemployed for the rest of their lives. Income inequality (in terms of workers earning less than half the median) is in fact worse in the US than almost anywhere else in the developed world.

And thanks to a decades-long war on organized labor, fewer workers are covered by collective bargaining agreements than workers in almost every other OECD nation."

#2 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-12 02:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

workers' share of the national income is uniquely low

workers share? Their share is the rate they agreed to be paid for. You people kill me on how much you think minimal, unskilled labor is worth.

Skilled labor is not cheap.
Cheap labor is not unskilled.

#3 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-12 02:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 3


From the cited article...

...Populist appeals to Americans angry at their place in the world powered Donald Trump to the presidency. But even though Trump has spent his time in the White House pushing policies that benefit the monied classes as opposed to workers, it remains a simple truth that it's a lot harder to get by than it used to be....


[emphasis mine]

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-12 02:32 PM | Reply


@#3 ...
Skilled labor is not cheap.
Cheap labor is not unskilled. ...

You sure you got that right?

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-03-12 02:34 PM | Reply

Boaz is the type of person where the congress will make a law that causes the middle class to pay more in income taxes while lowering the burden on the 1% and he will say its the middle class fault for not being rich.

#6 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-03-12 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just one more tax cut for the 1% and this will be fixed.

#7 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-03-12 03:33 PM | Reply

"Yawn.....I've posted my Hedrick Smith video here 1,000 times. Maybe I should make it 1,001"

-Pinchaloaf

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-12 03:35 PM | Reply

hey look.
Eberly is coming to recuse boaz

how cute

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-12 03:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I am not rescuing anybody. I'm taking a cheap shot at someone not here....couldn't resist.

Most people on both sides are sick of Pinch's self-anointed authority on this matter.

Boaz is on his own.

#10 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-12 03:50 PM | Reply

Most people on both sides are sick of Pinch's self-anointed authority on this matter.

#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I remember the excruciating discussions between him and Danforth a couple of months ago. I have no idea how Danforth mustered that much patience. Maybe he developed it sparring with me over the years...

#11 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-12 03:53 PM | Reply

"self-anointed authority "

You should say that while looking in the mirror

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-12 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Americans that are broke? Do you remember those coming to America broke? Probably like mine...broke, but worked and saved.

How did they do it?

It is not only work ethic, it's an economic ethic.

Need before want.

Can't afford it now, it'll have to wait.

When someone with nothing comes to the US and succeeds, I would rather listen then complain. Since the dream still happens today, those that are broke should assess themselves.

#13 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-12 06:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Total (D) B.S.

#14 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-03-12 06:52 PM | Reply

Maybe people need to learn to live in their income level. Most in the US live in a $300k plus home and have a 3 car garage that is full. And tyhey eat o0ut st least twice a week.

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-12 07:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-You should say that while looking in the mirror

I did. In all 12 of my mirrors, in fact.

You could too if you had a mirror.

The chrome bumper on the cig truck that stops by your tent weekly doesn't count.

#16 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-12 07:10 PM | Reply

53% of those who have any income invest in the stock market. 90% of all investors lose money in stocks and bonds. This reality is based on a rigged market, much like our political system. You are free to vote for whomever you want, but that vote will never change the final outcome.

#17 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-12 07:37 PM | Reply

"Skilled labor is not cheap.
Cheap labor is not unskilled. ... "

Except in right to work for nothing states.

America needs to wake up and pass a Constitutional Amendment guaranteeing workers the right to collectively bargain that can't be overturned by any evil decision by the evil bastards on the SC who actually work for the billionaire class.

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-12 07:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Working us into slave wages so we can compete with China... wtg clowns.

so where is that dumb@$$ DR clown who was lecturing me about the low unemployment rate relative to poverty?

I love it when pig brains debate me.

#19 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-12 07:56 PM | Reply

Americans Are Still Broke in a Booming Economy. Here's Why:

Because trickle down economics is bullcrap. But repubs still believe in it because they were raised to have faith in things without evidence.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-12 08:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 4

When someone with nothing comes to the US and succeeds, I would rather listen then complain. Since the dream still happens today, those that are broke should assess themselves.

#13 | Posted by Petrous

Fox news - billionaires paying millionaires to tell the working class to blame the poor.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-12 08:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

workers share? Their share is the rate they agreed to be paid for. You people kill me on how much you think minimal, unskilled labor is worth.

Skilled labor is not cheap.
Cheap labor is not unskilled.

#3 | POSTED BY Comrade BOAZO

That's pretty rich coming from a racist redneck that hasn't worked an honest day In His life.

Looks like Putin's talking points were released early tonight as the alt-right (R)tards here are showing up in droves like a chubby chaser at a fat girl convention.

#22 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-03-12 08:48 PM | Reply

"As many, many newspaper stories, magazine articles, and books have documented over the past few decades, it sucks to be a worker in America. Jobs are tough to get and tougher to hold onto, pay has stagnated, and debt -- student loans, credit cards, whatever -- is out of control."

Not true. Wages (salaries) for skilled workers have gone up dramatically. The reason: demand for skilled labor went up, and workers did not adjust their habits to accommodate this change in the markets.

In the 1970s, having a college degree would statistically earn you about 5% more than someone without a degree. By 2015, college grads made 56% more.

It seems like the way ahead for those who want higher wages is pretty clear.

#23 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-12 09:03 PM | Reply

Most people on both sides are sick of Pinch's self-anointed authority on this matter.
#10 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Citation necessary.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-12 09:05 PM | Reply

You people kill me on how much you think minimal, unskilled labor is worth.

Says the guy who's only qualification in life was to be a body on a battlefield.

How's that socialist check you receive monthly?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-12 09:08 PM | Reply

24

LOL

You're the only one questioning it.

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-12 09:10 PM | Reply

-You're the only one questioning it.

Pretty sure no one else cares enough.

I was bored when I asked.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-12 09:12 PM | Reply

"The reason: demand for skilled labor went up, and workers did not adjust their habits to accommodate this change in the markets."

Skill isn't a habit.

To gain skills, you typically need to do something along the lines of four plus years of college or postgraduate work.

Not everyone is in a position to uproot their lives and attend whatever school accepts them, since they're busy raising a family, etc.

And even then it's still a gamble. You're betting that the skill you acquire will be one the people with money will demand, for at least long enough to pay back your student loans.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-12 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bob used to dig with his hands for a living. It was hard work. He saved enough money to buy a shovel. Eventually, he bought better equipment. Over time, he saved enough money and hired people and gave them tools to do the job. We worked beside them, but he paid himself more.

Those people he hired demanded more money as they dug holes as big as he did. So, collective bargaining, with no appeal to the SC was forced.

Bob went out of the business of employing people. He later sold all his equipment and is now retired.

His ex-employees are still digging holes they may never get out of.

#29 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-12 09:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe people need to learn to live in their income level. Most in the US live in a $300k plus home and have a 3 car garage that is full. And tyhey eat o0ut st least twice a week.

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-12 07:07 PM | Reply

I know most regular readers here have plonked you, and I'm sure foolish statements like this are why. Do you really believe most people live in a $300k plus home? According to Zillow, the median home price is $225k. That means half the houses are lower than that. Hard to get to "most" when more than half are clearly lower than $300k. That doesn't even address the approximately 36% of the population who do not even own their own home. Three car garages are pretty rare, I suspect, in most communities, and very few families own three or more vehicles. According to this article in Automotive News, the average rate of car ownership is just about 2 per household. Since owning a vehicle is a practical necessity in most areas to hold a job, I wouldn't be so quick to condemn a family for having 2 vehicles.

Any other wild speculation you'd like to throw out there?

#30 | Posted by StatsPlease at 2019-03-12 09:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Not everyone is in a position to uproot their lives and attend whatever school accepts them, since they're busy raising a family, etc."

Sure they are.

Thousands of Central Americans are uprooting themselves and their families to hike thousands of miles north to trek to a country that doesn't want them. The average Joe in your scenario has it incredibly ------- easy. It's not like they're ditching Cuban socialism on an innertube to escape from that dumpster fire.

#31 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-12 10:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Thousands of Central Americans are uprooting themselves and their families to hike thousands of miles north to trek to a country that doesn't want them."

And millions aren't.

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-12 10:17 PM | Reply

Maybe he developed it sparring with me over the years...

#11 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I wouldn't call whack a mole sparring.

Or are you more partial to one of those blowup clown punching dolls?

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-12 10:40 PM | Reply

#29 | Posted by Petrous

You skipped: bob made so much money that he bribed politicians to buy his services and suppress all further development of new digging technologies.

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 12:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY STATSPLEASE AT 2019-03-12 09:55 PM | REPLY

I commend you for trying but rest assured, it fell on a weak mind. He's hopeless. I've never plonked him just because of the entertainment value.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-13 12:16 AM | Reply

Americans Are Still Broke in a Booming Economy. Here's Why:
Because trickle down economics is bullcrap. But repubs still believe in it because they were raised to have faith in things without evidence.
#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-12 08:13 PM |

The premise of the article is flawed. The data they use "The OECD report mostly looks at data in the years leading up roughly to the time of Trump's win in 2016." is prior to Trump even being elected, much less beginning the current booming economy. A true article headline would be closer to 'Americans are Still Broke in an Economy of Anemic Growth'.

#36 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-13 10:53 AM | Reply

You're the only one questioning it.

#26 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Pinched is no worst than most here. Including me. I have gone off the rails many Times trying to reason with the Insane . It gets in and on you. Tough to shake it.

It ain't easy to stay cool calm and collected around these parts some days let me tells ya!

None of us are perfect that is fer sure.

But I do love the practice.

And I haven't even plonked snippy or Bozo. That's how much a glutton for punishment I am.

#37 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-13 11:16 AM | Reply

Ok I'm down for some legitimate criticism of Trump, but...I see now hiring signs everywhere, my company is struggling to find people, and most people I know are somewhere on the corporate ladder that couldn't find a spot 5 years ago. I've personally doubled my income in that time and haven't really tried to do that I just followed the cheese. Service is at restaurants is terrible due to understaffing. The only people I know who are struggling refuse to move or work more than a mile away from mommy, and so only find suburban fast food jobs. Title of the article should be "mommas boys struggling because companies aren't relocating to their doorstep"

#38 | Posted by dialate at 2019-03-13 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#38 | Posted by dialate

The availability of crappy jobs doesnt mean the economy is good for the non-rich.

Affordable health care and college and jobs that allow you to raise a family would be better for them.

#39 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 02:06 PM | Reply

I commend you for trying but rest assured, it fell on a weak mind. He's hopeless. I've never plonked him just because of the entertainment value.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds

that comming from the poster child for weak minds.

#40 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-13 02:18 PM | Reply

I know most regular readers here have plonked you, and I'm sure foolish statements like this are why. Do you really believe most people live in a $300k plus home? According to Zillow, the median home price is $225k.

#30 | Posted by StatsPlease

Oh, how much difference does that make in what I said? Too much house, too much car, too much dining out. How big of a house and how many cars does a family need to imporess the neighbors? Maybe they should learn to live within their means. How many people live from paycheck to paycheck with no savings?

#41 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-13 02:24 PM | Reply

Oh, how much difference does that make in what I said? Too much house, too much car, too much dining out. How big of a house and how many cars does a family need to imporess the neighbors? Maybe they should learn to live within their means. How many people live from paycheck to paycheck with no savings?

#41 | Posted by Sniper

Yes how come a kid born to a single mother in the inner city whos dad is in jail for selling weed get a great education from his failing schools and grow up to be productive?

Why didn't his parents just pay bribe money to get him into a good college?

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 02:34 PM | Reply

-Too much house, too much car, too much dining out.

describes a lot of people I know.

pretty good dual income household, steady jobs, but still paycheck to paycheck.

Money burns a hole in people's pockets, apparently.

#43 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 02:37 PM | Reply

-I see now hiring signs everywhere, my company is struggling to find people,

100% of my clients would hire anybody with basic skills and demonstrate personal responsibility and reliability.

show up with your hair combed, drivers license, and even a moderate work ethic? they can't not hire you

#44 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 02:39 PM | Reply

Money burns a hole in people's pockets, apparently.

#43 | Posted by eberly

College and healthcare burns a bigger hole in their pockets.

You have to get more takeout food when both parents have to work to support the family.

You also have to pay for more childcare.

Stop blaming the middle class for being screwed by the rich. They're not struggling because they buy iphones.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 02:58 PM | Reply

Skilled labor is not cheap.
Cheap labor is not unskilled.

#3 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Hahaha. You're such a moron; you can't even fellate the rich without proving you didn't pass second grade.

#46 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How is it that every June 18 year olds graduate high school and within a year some are making more money than adults who have been out of school for a decade?

#47 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-13 03:13 PM | Reply

How is it that every June 18 year olds graduate high school and within a year some are making more money than adults who have been out of school for a decade?

#47 | Posted by Petrous

Do you have stats to support that? Is that happening in significant numbers?

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 03:41 PM | Reply

18 year olds graduate high school and within a year some are making more money than adults who have been out of school for a decade?

Fortnite?

#49 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-13 03:56 PM | Reply

Are there kids making more money than adults?

Sure, I can walk into any restaurant and have a teen waiting on me and yet there are adults on the corner begging for money.

Why don't they work like the kids? Surely, they should have a better resume than these kids.

As for kids living at home...no, I know these kids have apartments and walk to work.

I drive one or two to work the soccer fields in spring and fall.

#50 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-13 04:24 PM | Reply

Sure, I can walk into any restaurant and have a teen waiting on me and yet there are adults on the corner begging for money.

Why don't they work like the kids? Surely, they should have a better resume than these kids.

#50 | Posted by Petrous

Have you ever had a waiter who was suffering from paranoid --------------? Good luck with that meal.

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 04:29 PM | Reply

Why don't they work like the kids? Surely, they should have a better resume than these kids.

Imagine not knowing there are varying levels of ability, capacity, learning, etc among the hundreds of millions of people we have in America. What level of contact do you have with humans? Do you live in the middle of nowhere or what?

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 04:50 PM | Reply

-Stop blaming the middle class for being screwed by the rich.

I'll stop it if I first start doing that.

which I haven't.

Stop accusing me of something I didn't come within 1,000 miles of doing.

#53 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:14 PM | Reply

#53 I guess your ability to estimate distance is worse than your economic illiteracy.

-Too much house, too much car, too much dining out.
describes a lot of people I know.
pretty good dual income household, steady jobs, but still paycheck to paycheck.
Money burns a hole in people's pockets, apparently.

#43 | POSTED BY EBERLY

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-13 05:17 PM | Reply

How is it that every June 18 year olds graduate high school and within a year some are making more money than adults who have been out of school for a decade?

#47 | POSTED BY PETROUS

If you can't figure out how in light of this new college cheating scandal, then no one is ever going to be able to explain it to you. Google nepotism, that will help you get started.

#55 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-13 05:20 PM | Reply

-Have you ever had a waiter who was suffering from paranoid --------------?

no, but I've exchanged posts with some here who do.

#56 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

54

I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

#57 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:25 PM | Reply

The Middle Class is a concept the rich created to divide the poor and less poor.

People, like Boaz, are so worried about the those making less than them getting more. They don't notice they're being robbed by the extremely wealthy.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-13 05:40 PM | Reply

-The Middle Class is a concept the rich created to divide the poor and less poor.

I doubt it was created by the rich but it's certainly exploited by the rich and those working on their behalf.

#59 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:44 PM | Reply

like me......LOL

#60 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:44 PM | Reply

"Yes how come a kid born to a single mother in the inner city whos dad is in jail for selling weed get a great education from his failing schools and grow up to be productive?"

What do you think should happen?

Let dad out of prison? Cut a big check to mom and dad so they can be better parents.

There are things you could do, but I see many progressives as unwilling to address the root causes, choosing instead to focus on the symptoms.

#61 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 05:46 PM | Reply

Did it miss everyone's attention that the article is 9 months old which means Trump had been office 18 months when this report was released and that was for prior experience?

Don't get me wrong, the author is right about Trump and that it's only going to get worse, so whatever.

I don't disagree with the article really.

We can have our ceremonial political finger pointing contest (that nobody wins) if that's what some here need in order to get off......again, whatever.

#62 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 05:59 PM | Reply

Madbomber's posts prove to me that rightwingers truly have no idea how or why people become poor. Most of them have never experienced any adversity in their lives and don't realize how thin the line is between making rent and being on the street for so many people, and they have no interest in learning a damned thing about it.

#63 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 06:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-Stop blaming the middle class for being screwed by the rich.

I'll stop it if I first start doing that.

which I haven't.

Stop accusing me of something I didn't come within 1,000 miles of doing.

#53 | Posted by eberly

You implied that poverty is the result of irresponsible spending. That's blaming the poor.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 06:08 PM | Reply

There are things you could do, but I see many progressives as unwilling to address the root causes, choosing instead to focus on the symptoms.

#61 | Posted by madbomber

You can not solve poverty with charity, that's just more billionaires propaganda fed to the suckers to spread to prevent their taxes from going up.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 06:09 PM | Reply

I have no idea what you're trying to tell me.

#57 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I quoted you blaming the middle class for being screwed by the rich.

I guess even worse than your ability to estimate distance is your general reading comprehension.

#66 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-13 06:20 PM | Reply

"Madbomber's posts prove to me that rightwingers truly have no idea how or why people become poor."

Then let me clear it up for you. They were unfortunate enough to have been born outside the US.

"Most of them have never experienced any adversity in their lives and don't realize how thin the line is between making rent and being on the street for so many people, and they have no interest in learning a damned thing about it."

Fair enough...so how do you solve it? have the government write bigger checks?

#67 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 06:21 PM | Reply

"You can not solve poverty with charity, that's just more billionaires propaganda fed to the suckers to spread to prevent their taxes from going up."

Huh.

While I will disagree with anything that is rooted in your billionaire fetish, I do agree that poverty is not solved through charity.

Personally, I think it is solved by denying conditions that facilitate poverty. But like I've already said, I think that would be viewed as an attack on the poor...if the poor were white. Any other race/religion/nationality and it would be viewed as prejudicial.

#68 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 06:24 PM | Reply

so how do you solve it? have the government write bigger checks?

More spending on poverty reduction does result in further poverty reduction, so yes, if you're interested in having an actual conversation about that all you need to do is look at the data.

www2.hawaii.edu

#69 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 06:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So..making them more dependent on the state is going to...make them less dependent???

#70 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 06:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So..making them more dependent on the state is going to...make them less dependent???

#70 | Posted by madbomber

Poverty reduction is not making them dependent on the state, but I can see why you need to pretend its the same.

#71 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 06:47 PM | Reply

#70 Read the study. I can tell you haven't.

#72 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-13 06:53 PM | Reply

Personally, I think it is solved by denying conditions that facilitate poverty.

Capitalism?

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-13 06:58 PM | Reply

"Capitalism?"

Poverty appears to be far more prevalent under socialism...today and yesterday.

#74 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 07:08 PM | Reply

You implied that poverty is the result of irresponsible spending. That's blaming the poor.

#64 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

No. Again, you misinterpret. I didn't reference the poor in any way.

#75 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 07:24 PM | Reply

Poverty appears to be far more prevalent under socialism...today and yesterday.

#74 | Posted by madbomber

If you want to encompass world history, poverty was most prevalent under situations with the least government - cavemen.

#76 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 07:25 PM | Reply

-I quoted you blaming the middle class for being screwed by the rich.

No, you and your fellow retarded brother, speak the stupid, made ---- up.

I didn't do that at all.

#77 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 07:26 PM | Reply

I didn't do that at all.

#77 | Posted by eberly

-Too much house, too much car, too much dining out.

describes a lot of people I know.

pretty good dual income household, steady jobs, but still paycheck to paycheck.

Money burns a hole in people's pockets, apparently.

#43 | Posted by eberly

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 07:30 PM | Reply

You can't read. Period.

Give it up. I didn't say nor imply what you think.

#79 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 07:32 PM | Reply

Give it up. I didn't say nor imply what you think.

#79 | Posted by eberly

If that post isn't implying that people who are struggling financially are struggling due to irresponsible spending, what else was it meant to imply?

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 07:39 PM | Reply

80

It meant exactly what I said.

It doesn't mean I blame ALL people struggling financially for their spending habits.

In fact, I specifically qualified who I was talking about.

I honestly don't know if you and -------------- can read at all

Does your disdain for me run that high that you just can't help yourselves?

#81 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 07:46 PM | Reply

It doesn't mean I blame ALL people struggling financially for their spending habits.

In fact, I specifically qualified who I was talking about.

I honestly don't know if you and -------------- can read at all

Does your disdain for me run that high that you just can't help yourselves?

#81 | Posted by eberly

What is the point of a personal anecdote in a political debate if you're not implying that your anecdote is an example of a trend or larger scale problem?

Before you start flipping out at everyone you should form your arguments more carefully.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Before I start flipping out at everyone"

FT

Don't blame me because you can't read.

#83 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 07:52 PM | Reply

Just one more tax cut for the 1% and this will be fixed.
#7 | POSTED BY NIXON

Everyone got a tax cut by percentage, but are paying more because...

wait for it...

They are making more money.

Boaz, why do you even try to argue with these clowns? They want to believe lies.

#84 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-13 08:03 PM | Reply

Don't blame me because you can't read.

#83 | Posted by eberly

Dont blame us that you can't debate. Don't bring a personal anecdote into a debate if you're not trying to make a larger point with it. That's on you, not us.

#85 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:05 PM | Reply

"They want to believe lies." - #84 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-13 08:03 PM

I don't know who you are, but whatever it is, I'm sure everyone will agree with me.

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-13 08:05 PM | Reply

They want to believe lies.

#84 | Posted by JordyPete

That's all your cult does.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:06 PM | Reply

#84 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-13 08:03 PM

I worship the ground that awaits you.

#88 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-13 08:09 PM | Reply

"If you want to encompass world history, poverty was most prevalent under situations with the least government - cavemen."

Really?

I'll wait for you to provide an economic analysis on poverty within the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon communities.

#89 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 08:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Money burns a hole in people's pockets, apparently."

There's nothing wrong with that. Happens to me all the time. The difference is I'm not demanding that I'm disadvantaged because I spent all my money that the bar, and that society owes me enough to cover both necessities and whatever else I want to spend money on.

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 08:19 PM | Reply

I'll wait for you to provide an economic analysis on poverty within the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon communities.

#89 | Posted by madbomber

Lets see - lack of food, shelter, healthcare, education, public safety - sounds like poverty to me.

But hey - taxes were really low too! You'd love it.

#91 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:24 PM | Reply

The difference is I'm not demanding that I'm disadvantaged because I spent all my money that the bar, and that society owes me enough to cover both necessities and whatever else I want to spend money on.

#90 | Posted by madbomber

Wow so your psychic abilities not only extend to describing MY life in detail, but poor people's as well.

Either than or youre a moron who falls for billionaires propaganda about why poor people are poor.

#92 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:26 PM | Reply

-Dont blame us that you can't debate.

This isn't a debate.

This is you assigning a position that doesn't exist, which is all you do, and whine when you get the hose again.

#93 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 08:31 PM | Reply

"Either than or youre a moron who falls for billionaires propaganda about why poor people are poor."

I live in Northern Louisiana...I feel like I know why poor people are poor.

#94 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 08:31 PM | Reply

yeah, they were born poor.

#95 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-03-13 08:34 PM | Reply

"What is the point of a personal anecdote in a political debate if you're not implying that your anecdote is an example of a trend or larger scale problem?"

I commented on a small portion of what someone else said.

To a certain extent, many middle class folks are trapped in their own box of poor spending decisions. Especially upper middle class folks.

$100K+ household income, benefits, retirement plans, etc.

But still mired in credit card debt, no home equity, no net worth.

But tons of toys, new cars, vacations, 70" flat screens, etc.

Money burns holes in their pockets.

#96 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 08:39 PM | Reply

I live in Northern Louisiana...I feel like I know why poor people are poor.

#94 | Posted by madbomber

Hahaha from the other thread:

"it matters when the opponents argument is based on a reality that they themselves never experienced.
#93 | Posted by madbomber "

#97 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:45 PM | Reply

To a certain extent, many middle class folks are trapped in their own box of poor spending decisions. Especially upper middle class folks.

$100K+ household income, benefits, retirement plans, etc.

But still mired in credit card debt, no home equity, no net worth.

But tons of toys, new cars, vacations, 70" flat screens, etc.

Money burns holes in their pockets.

#96 | Posted by eberly

So you're now back to making the argument you got so angry at me for saying you were making.

#98 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 08:47 PM | Reply

Speak, I guess I have to ask since you are focusing on personal experience......have you lived in poverty, no father, etc?

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 08:48 PM | Reply

98

No, I'm making an argument you never understood

#100 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 08:49 PM | Reply

I just realized why your panties are in a bunch, speak.

You think my post represents some sort of friendship with sniper. I had to go back and see who's post I referenced in my original comment. It was sniper. I honestly didn't know.

Carry on......

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 08:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It takes more than 2 years to dig yourselves out of the past 8

#102 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-03-13 08:53 PM | Reply

"Speak, I guess I have to ask since you are focusing on personal experience......have you lived in poverty, no father, etc?"

Eb,

I'm going to refer you to a separate thread, where Speaksoftly alludes to a rather pampered upbringing. And says this:

"Millionaires aren't as destructive to larger society as billionaires are. Millionaires are the sign of a healthy economy. Billionaires are the sign of an unjust economy and unwise government. We're talking semantics and grey areas though. The definition I would use is - economic systems that allow the rich to accumulate so much wealth that they can control the government and are bad."

www.drudge.com

I can't prove it obviously, but Speak clearly identifies with the millionaire class, even while having a lot of animosity towards billionaires.

Maybe his/her membership at Maralago was rejected???

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak, I guess I have to ask since you are focusing on personal experience......have you lived in poverty, no father, etc?

#99 | Posted by eberly

Why is my personal life of so much interest to everyone on this site today?

#104 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 09:10 PM | Reply

It takes more than 2 years to dig yourselves out of the past 8

#102 | Posted by Maverick

Yes, the past 8 years have been horrible. Fox news told me so. Economics statistics disagree, but fox news knows better.

#105 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 09:12 PM | Reply

I can't prove it obviously, but Speak clearly identifies with the millionaire class, even while having a lot of animosity towards billionaires.

Maybe his/her membership at Maralago was rejected???

#103 | Posted by madbomber

If I'm a millionaires, why aren't you licking my ass like you do all the other plutocrats?

#106 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 09:13 PM | Reply

"It takes more than 2 years to dig yourselves out of the past 8" - #102 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-03-13 08:53 PM

Once again, Democrats have to clean up the GOP's mess
GOP Centrists Ask Democrats To Clean Up Their Mess Again
Democratic presidents keep having to clean up Republican messes
Are you always so stupid or is today a special occasion?

#107 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-13 09:22 PM | Reply

-Why is my personal life of so much interest to everyone on this site today?

Read your own posts. The personal judgements you make, the conclusions you draw, the positions you assign.

Quit crying.

#108 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 09:23 PM | Reply

Read your own posts. The personal judgements you make, the conclusions you draw, the positions you assign.

Quit crying.

#108 | Posted by eberly

Yeah I dont see any of that.

Yet I've had several posters today describe all sorts of details of my life, from my upbringing, to my family, to my level of wealth, it's fascinating.

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 09:46 PM | Reply

-Yeah I dont see any of that.

Color all of us surprised

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-13 09:51 PM | Reply

Color all of us surprised

#110 | Posted by eberly
Perhaps you could provide some evidence.

#111 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-13 09:54 PM | Reply

"Yet I've had several posters today describe all sorts of details of my life, from my upbringing, to my family, to my level of wealth, it's fascinating."

I think it might be because you're like the trust fund kid being interviewed at an Occupy Wall Street event a few years ago. Born rich, so you don't understand how people become that way.

The good news is you could give it all away. It's probably not your right now...you'll need to wait for mom and dad to die. But when they do, you can give everything away and become a member of the proletariat yourself.

#112 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-13 10:00 PM | Reply

I didn't do that at all.

#77 | POSTED BY EBERLY

No one evens needs to refresh this page to see you did.

You remind me of Tina Fey's Palin; "quit twisting my words by repeating them verbatim"

#113 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-13 10:27 PM | Reply

I'll wait for you to provide an economic analysis on poverty within the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon communities.

#89 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I know they're subsidized by Californians and they wear MAGA caps.

#114 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-13 10:32 PM | Reply

More freedum please.

#115 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-03-13 10:57 PM | Reply

This is you assigning a position that doesn't exist, which is all you do, and whine when you get the hose again.
#93 | POSTED BY EBERLY

After putting the lotion on the skin...

#116 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 11:00 PM | Reply

Yet I've had several posters today describe all sorts of details of my life, from my upbringing, to my family, to my level of wealth, it's fascinating.

#109 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yet you CONSTANTLY sermonize that people's personal politics define who they are and you do the exact same thing on a near-constant basis.

It's annoying, isn't it? Your tack is being turned back against you

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 11:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why is my personal life of so much interest to everyone on this site today?

#104 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

IDK, same reason idiots call me Andy...

#118 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-14 01:39 AM | Reply

"I live in Northern Louisiana...I feel like I know why poor people are poor."

Probably true but you would never be honest enough to admit the true causes out loud. You'll just fall back on Calvanistic beliefs that say they are poor because they are lazy and undeserving and never acknowledge the situations of their births.

#119 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 06:12 AM | Reply

I don't know who you are, but whatever it is, I'm sure everyone will agree with me.
#86 | POSTED BY HANS

Yeah. Ok. Everyone agrees with you Hans. And you think everyone who disagrees with you is delusional. Is your persona an act or do you really believe the Leftist media? LOL!!

#120 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-14 10:09 AM | Reply

I live in Northern Louisiana...I feel like I know why poor people are poor.
#94 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

So true. If anyone disagrees with this, I suggest living there for a year. It's hypocritical to comment on it otherwise.

#121 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-14 10:12 AM | Reply

Probably true but you would never be honest enough to admit the true causes out loud. You'll just fall back on Calvanistic beliefs that say they are poor because they are lazy and undeserving and never acknowledge the situations of their births.
#119 | POSTED BY DANNI

You are so full of crap. If you are poor in this country then you have really bad luck or just bad with money.
Prove me wrong.

Yes, I know people with bad luck, but when they took personal responsibility whether it was their fault or not, they rebounded. I'm one of them. Twice. I have no privilege other than what little my father built for himself and passed on to me which was no more than a sense of personal responsibility.

Prove me wrong.

#122 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-03-14 10:20 AM | Reply

Boaz,

"You people kill me on how much you think minimal, unskilled labor is worth"

Are 1%ers "worth" what they make?

Aren't pay structures based more on "power" than "worth"?

#123 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-14 10:21 AM | Reply

35 | Posted by lfthndthrds
that comming from the poster child for weak minds.

#40 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-03-13 02:18 PM | FLAG:

That's big words for you, sniper. Keep going buddy. You're going to be big someday

#124 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-14 12:01 PM | Reply

And just maybe, you won't be a coward in your next life. You know, like not hiding and shooting at people.

#125 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-03-14 12:03 PM | Reply

"You people kill me on how much you think minimal, unskilled labor is worth"

The company I work for is finding it hard to attract employees to do unskilled labor. Apparently doing unskilled labor is worth much more than it did several years ago. I suspect this is going to happen to lots of employers.

#126 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-14 12:26 PM | Reply

Minimal unskilled labor is a figment of the republicl*wn warped imagination... all jobs take some skill and exertion... that's why they call them jobs... and what they do work.

$15 and hour is a good start.

Right now Boazo draws a government paycheck for doing nothing... and he knows it.

#127 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-14 02:23 PM | Reply

For every self made man in this country there are 10,000 people who worked harder every day of their lives but never had the opportunity to make themselves. The people who rise through the ranks aren't always the best workers or the smartest. Often it is just a matter of luck.

If you have 50 cashiers at walmart and a position opens up at the next level, no matter how good their work ethic is, 49 of them will not get the promotion. No amount of hard work can change that.

#128 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-03-14 03:06 PM | Reply

-For every self made man ....

What is your definition of "self made"?

I'm not disagreeing with you but rather just wanting to qualify what you mean

#129 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-14 03:10 PM | Reply

by self made I mean someone who started without any starting cash and without knowing the right people. Someone who honestly started from the bottom and worked their way to the top without scamming and grifting. Someone who wasn't born on 3rd base. Someone who honestly started with nothing but their body and mind.

#130 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-03-14 03:27 PM | Reply

130

OK, fair enough, but I was referring to their success in terms of where they are on the economic chart. 1 out of 10,000 is pretty extreme unless you're talking very wealthy.

If you are then I completely agree with you

#131 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-14 03:32 PM | Reply

There is a right wing meme that anyone who is not very wealthy is by definition somehow a bad person who made bad decisions and does not "deserve" to have a roof over their head or food on their table. The person who has wealth is seen as somehow more virtuous. They made the "right" decisions. more often than not the opposite is true. Often the hardest working most vrtuous people are stuck in poverty while the people who engage in bad behavior are rewarded with spectacular wealth.

#132 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-03-14 03:38 PM | Reply

The article failed to point out the real reason. INFLATION is the hidden tax that destroys us all. The reason for inflation is due to central banking. Our central bank is called the Federal Reserve Bank. This bank did three very bad things to stimulate our economy called QE 1, QE 2, and QE 3. (The QE stands for Quantitative Easing.) In layman's terms, this was were the Fed printed extra money in 2008, 2010, and 2012 to help the economy. This is called Keynesian macroeconomics and it is a failed system that dooms We the People to financial slavery. What's the answer? Audit the Fed and tell the government to stop this Ponzi scheme of stealing from the people.

#133 | Posted by AuditTheFed at 2019-03-14 03:54 PM | Reply

Hat,

Personally I don't believe anyone rich got that way without lying and cheating along the way.

Some do it more than others but they all rationalize it calling it "doing business" or "I didn't force him to give me his money".

#134 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-14 04:36 PM | Reply

I think it might be because you're like the trust fund kid being interviewed at an Occupy Wall Street event a few years ago. Born rich, so you don't understand how people become that way.

The good news is you could give it all away. It's probably not your right now...you'll need to wait for mom and dad to die. But when they do, you can give everything away and become a member of the proletariat yourself.

#112 | Posted by madbomber

I forgot about this thread.

This is hilarious.

How rich was I born exactly?

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-14 06:17 PM | Reply

Ok I'm down for some legitimate criticism of Trump, but...I see now hiring signs everywhere, my company is struggling to find people...
#38 | POSTED BY DIALATE

All of that was happening BEFORE 2016, you know, BEFORE Trump was POTUS.

And I'll take the rest of your post for what it's worth: anecdotal.

#136 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-03-14 06:44 PM | Reply

-There is a right wing meme that anyone who is not very wealthy is by definition somehow a bad person who made bad decisions and does not "deserve" to have a roof over their head or food on their table.

Not really. You're right except that the meme applies to middle class, not the "very wealthy". The right struggles with the problems that plague kids born poor and how they can't seemingly escape it with ease. It's obviously harder that most would believe.

But it's not about being born very wealthy

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-14 10:41 PM | Reply

The right struggles with the problems that plague kids born poor and how they can't seemingly escape it with ease. It's obviously harder that most would believe.

#137 | Posted by eberly

Because admitting poor kids' circumstances are more difficult would be admitting that they might need help, and that help might need funding, and that might make rich people's taxes go up, which is against their religion. So instead, they say that if poor people are just lazy.

#138 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-15 01:20 PM | Reply

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