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Monday, March 11, 2019

Some Venezuelans have taken to looting supermarkets in Caracas during the fourth day of blackouts, which have paralysed the country. Pictures reveal that some supermarkets in the capital have been left ransacked by desperate residents as they struggle to find food. The country will enter its fifth consecutive day of power outages on Monday, which have also forced people to rummage through bins for food, queue to charge electronic devices using a solar panel and buy bread with 100-dollar bills after the country was hit by a fourth day of blackouts.

The massive blackout, crippling the oil-rich but economically troubled South American nation, has fuelled the political standoff between Guaido, who is recognised as Venezuela's leader by more than 50 countries, and Maduro, who is clinging to power.

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Now that over 50 countries recognize Juan Guaido as the legitimate interim President of Venezuela, tell us again why we should side with Russia, Cuba, China and Bolivia and support Maduro staying in office?

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 12:13 PM | Reply

Socialism dies in darkness...literally.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-11 12:21 PM | Reply

"Socialism dies in darkness...literally"

Israel seems to be doing just fine

#3 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-11 12:29 PM | Reply

This is the end result of Socialism.

#4 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-11 12:42 PM | Reply

Israel seems to be doing just fine
#3 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

Now you bring up Israel ... its still a capitalist country... people own their labor, even in the healthcare industry you can work off hours for more money.

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-11 12:43 PM | Reply

tell us again why we should side with Russia, Cuba, China and Bolivia and support Maduro staying in office?
#1 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Because we hate Trump so must always want the opposite!
~ Democrats

#6 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-11 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Now you bring up Israel ... its still a capitalist country"

democratic socialism is what they call it

don't like it, take it up with Israel because that is what they call themselves

if anything, Israel most reflects American socialists, not a dictatorship like Venezuela
but that doesn't fit your narrative

#7 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-11 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5

LMAO, is Israel now CocoChiefSamTutIamMosesVille's latest shtty socialism exemplar?

Wow, talk about not understanding politics, economics or basic history.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 12:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Israel has Universal health care, Mandatory 2 year military service , Welfare programs, Public housing, Public schools, Library and Universities.
and a host of Public service (fire department, post office, police department etc..)

#9 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-03-11 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Public schools

If that's an example of socialism, let's be honest and call them socialist schools.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-11 01:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love how the Left is so desperate to rehabilitate "Socialism" that they persist in describing basic government services like roads, schools, public safety, hospitals, the military, etc. as "socialism", as if Marx had lived thousands of years ago when those constructs were developed by monarchies, autocracies, democracies, republics, collectives, tribes, nomads, and any other ancient mode of government.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 01:15 PM | Reply

"Now that over 50 countries recognize Juan Guaido as the legitimate interim President of Venezuela, tell us again why we should side with Russia, Cuba, China and Bolivia and support Maduro staying in office?"

IMO it was pretty much a done deal the moment Canada signed on. Now we're just playing the waiting game. Hopefully the fallout for Venezuela isn't too horrible.

#12 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-03-11 01:18 PM | Reply

Looting. A libertarian dream. Venezuala is truly a utopia of right-wing design.

#13 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-11 01:31 PM | Reply

Now you bring up Israel ... its still a capitalist country... people own their labor, even in the healthcare industry you can work off hours for more money.

#5 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Just because a heavily regulated country allows a few market forces does not make them a "capitalist country". The "capitalist countries" you seem to want to mimic are ---------; Albania, Belize, Chad, etc. We had truly capitalist societies, but we left them behind when we ditched the trees and began to walk upright.

#14 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-11 01:36 PM | Reply

#12

I think it was that and the Lima Group firmly supporting Guaido, if the Lima Group had just called for new elections then even Canada's support wouldn't have been enough, given the US' terrible track record of intervention in South America.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 01:44 PM | Reply

I wonder if people would be so desparate there if we had not put crippling sanctions on them?

And I'm sure Elliot Abrams..Trumps choice to handle Venezuela..is doing his best to cause chaos.. he has a history of it

Venezuela brought this on allowing Russian bombers to land there.. but no way this chaos is natural
But socialism....boo..be afraid

#16 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-11 02:01 PM | Reply

I wonder if people would be so desparate there if we had not put crippling sanctions on them?

We have not put sanctions on food, medicine or power, the main sanctions have been on the oil revenues that Maduro, the Chavezes and the heads of the military and various government departments have been siphoning off into their own offshore bank accounts...which have also been frozen. Lifting the sanctions on the Venezuelan oil operations will do nothing to help the Venezuelan people and only continue to enrich Maduro and his cronies, and 50+ nations realize that.

But nice regurgitation of a thoroughly debunked talking point.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 02:07 PM | Reply

You cry that they are socialist.. which means the state contols the economy.
Then you claim that cutting off the states main revenue maker..oil.. has no effect on its abilty to operate?
Explain please how a socialist government has nothing to do with food..medicine and power.

#18 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-11 02:29 PM | Reply

Then you claim that cutting off the states main revenue maker..oil.. has no effect on its abilty to operate?

That's the point, the money isn't going to the State, it is going to a dozen or so people in Maduro's circle, so there is no money for food, medicine, infrastructure upgrades, maintenance, etc.

How do you think Maduro, a former bus driver, and Chavez's sister, a former telephone company employee, are now the two richest people in Venezuela?

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 02:40 PM | Reply

Looting. A libertarian dream. Venezuala is truly a utopia of right-wing design.

#13 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-03-11 01:31 PM | FLAG: Looting = 'Free stuff' and we know that libbies are all for free stuff ; )

#20 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-03-11 02:59 PM | Reply

Maduro and friends are corrupt but they were not taking all the profits.. and whatever the sanctions did it did to the people.. Maduro still getting his cut

It seems everytime republicans get power.. Venezuela becomes a threat we need to destabilize

They would be better off left alone to work it out without American medling..but unfortunately for them they sit on oil

#21 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-11 03:00 PM | Reply

Maduro and friends are corrupt but they were not taking all the profits

Uhhh, yeah they are, independent economic analysts have estimated that $30 Billion in oil profits have been diverted from PdVSA in the last two years alone. This has resulted in production in 2019 to fall below 1 million barrels per day compared to 2.4 million per day in 2013. That's the result of a lack of investment, the departure of trained staff and the appointment of military officers more noted for their loyalty to Maduro than industry expertise in operating PdVSA.

Breakdown: How to fix Venezuela

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 03:21 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY MSGT

I think there's a message board over at Highlights that might be more your level of debate. You should try it.

#23 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-03-11 04:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Looting = 'Free stuff' and we know that libbies are all for free stuff

#20 | POSTED BY MSGT

That's laughably backwards and Warren Buffet has the tax cuts to prove it.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-11 05:08 PM | Reply

#22 Do you think stoping Venezuela from selling there oil might have an effect on production?
Why produce it if you can't move it?

#25 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-11 05:25 PM | Reply

Give us your oil and we MAY let you live.

#26 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-03-11 06:36 PM | Reply

Any argument that the US put Venezuela into the position their in now is utter steaming -------. At best, what they're saying is that socialism doesn't work without capitalist toiling behind the scenes to keep it afloat.

#27 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-11 09:48 PM | Reply

Hopefully future generations remember this experiment and avoid it in the future.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-03-11 09:49 PM | Reply

#25

Silly child, PdVSA's production started declining long before the sanctions were imposed.

#29 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 11:25 PM | Reply

#29
2013 2.4 million barrels
2019 less then 1 million barrels

What happened in between then?
Couldnt be 2014 we start putting sanctions on them.

#30 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-12 02:05 AM | Reply

What happened in between then?
Couldnt be 2014 we start putting sanctions on them.

You are right, it couldn't be.

PdVSA production in 2000 was 3.3 mpd, it dropped by 1/3 by 2013

2014, President Obama imposed sanctions on seven individuals (not oil) for human rights violations.

2015 President Obama imposed sanctions on 22 individuals (not oil) for anti-democratic actions and corruption.

2017 President Trump imposes sanctions on 73 additional individuals (not oil) for anti-democratic actions and corruption.

PdVSA production in 2018 had dropped to 1.1 mbd, a 2/3 drop from 2000.

2019 President Trump imposes sanctions on PdVSA (oil).

Looks like someone needs to update their Narrative with something called facts.

Congressional Research Service: Overview of US Sanctions on Venezuela.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-12 01:22 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY MSGT

I think there's a message board over at Highlights that might be more your level of debate. You should try it.

#23 | POSTED BY TFDNIHILIST AT 2019-03-11 04:47 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1: I give that a Funny Flag as did not know what that was until your post. The FF is because unlike me you obviously do access it ; )

#32 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-03-12 01:29 PM | Reply

"This has resulted in production in 2019 to fall below 1 million barrels per day compared to 2.4 million per day in 2013. That's the result of a lack of investment, the departure of trained staff and the appointment of military officers more noted for their loyalty to Maduro than industry expertise in operating PdVSA."

Arguments like this indicate that the person making them thought Chavez was a great leader and the Venezuelan economy only started suffering because of Maduro. Never mind that American oil production greatly increased thereby replacing the markets for Venezuelan oil and dropping the price substantially. Who knew ROC was such a Chavez supporter?

Either way, what would America do if an outside power told us that Trump is no longer President and appointed Nancy Pelosi as interim President?
Because that is exactly what is happening in Venzuela right now and if you think it is out of sympathy for the plight of poor Venezuelans then I have some nice acreage for you just a few miles west of Ft. Lauderdale.

#33 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-13 06:38 AM | Reply

Arguments like this indicate that the person making them thought Chavez was a great leader and the Venezuelan economy only started suffering because of Maduro.

Chavez got the ball rolling when he began appropriating production, which is something you cheered for, at the time.

Never mind that American oil production greatly increased thereby replacing the markets for Venezuelan oil and dropping the price substantially.

Yet other oil producing countries have fared just fine. Strange how that works.

what would America do if an outside power told us that Trump is no longer President and appointed Nancy Pelosi as interim President?

Apples and oranges. Maduro violated the Venezuelan Constitution to achieve victory and that included imprisoning his most viable contenders.

Because that is exactly what is happening in Venzuela right now and if you think it is out of sympathy for the plight of poor Venezuelans then I have some nice acreage for you just a few miles west of Ft. Lauderdale.

#33 | POSTED BY DANNI

More than 50 nations have taken the stance that Maduro is illegitimate.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-13 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Arguments like this indicate that the person making them thought Chavez was a great leader and the Venezuelan economy only started suffering because of Maduro.

Someone needs to look at a calendar and do some simple math, or improve their reading comprehension massively.

Otherwise, Jeff hits the nail on the head in #34.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-13 03:05 PM | Reply

Before Chavez the majority of Venezuelans, the native people of the nation, lived in abject poverty while the white priveleged elite lived like kings. Chavez built schools, hospitals and greatly venefited the majority of the Venezuelan people but, because America thinks we have the right to dictate how other nations live, we did everything we could to undermine their economy and, not surprisingly, succeeded. We've done the same thing to any other nation that decides, for itself, that they don't want to follow the dictates of the United States. Look at the situation today, there is actually talk of military action to "rescue" the Venezuelan people from themselves and just coincidentally somehow end up possessing their oil too. I know rich Venezuelans who came up here, the way the talk about the native people of Venezuela is absolutely disgusting. They consider them to be animals and do, very much, want to reverse Chavez's revolution so they can return and live like kings by hogging all the profits from that country's oil.

#36 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-13 07:27 PM | Reply

#36

About the only things that you got right there were that the elites in Venezuela look down on the masses and that Chavez built some schools, hospitals and "benefited" the poor in Venezuela. Unfortunately, Chavez, his family and cronies became the very elites that they decried and the end result was much worse for all of Venezuela.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-13 08:28 PM | Reply

...unlike me you obviously do access it ; )
#32 | POSTED BY MSGT

No, unlike you, I read as a child.

#38 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-03-13 09:40 PM | Reply

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