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Sunday, March 10, 2019

Rahm Emanuel: Few could have predicted that President Donald Trump would be this good at surrendering the political advantage of a strong economy. Not only is he now underwater in the three states that pushed him to victory in 2016 -- he's now unexpectedly vulnerable in places such as Texas, Florida, and Ohio as well. His popularity rises to 50 percent or higher in states that total a mere 102 electoral votes. Probably of more concern to his campaign: He's fallen below 40 percent approval in states encompassing a 201-electoral-vote bloc.

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"That's not to say Democrats should abandon our priorities. We should work hard to combat climate change. We should fight to expand health-care coverage and reduce costs. We should find ways to make the tax code more progressive. But we shouldn't fall for Trump's sucker punch.

By a margin of 56 to 33 percent, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents would prefer us to nominate "someone who would be a strong candidate against Trump even if they disagree with that candidate on most issues."

In other words, this campaign is going to be less about ideological purity and litmus tests, and more about how voters size up the candidates' personal qualities."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-10 05:49 PM | Reply

How Not to Lose to Donald Trump

Don't nominate a far left Progressive.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 05:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

LMFAO Giggles

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-10 09:28 PM | Reply

How Not to Lose to Donald Trump

"Don't nominate a far left Progressive." - #2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 05:57 PM

Hillary Clinton was "a far left Progressive"?

You learn something new here every day.

#4 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-10 09:38 PM | Reply

Yes, to Republicans, Hillary was a demon lefty non-cookie baking woman... and Bernie is a Red Commie.

The fact that she was center-left FDR-ish and he is a small d democratic small s socialist is much too nuanced for the general voting public... not to mention the far left, which thought she was Margaret Thatcher and Bernie isn't really left enough.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-10 10:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#4

No, Hillary Clinton was just a terrible candidate.

We are talking about 2020, remember?

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 10:26 PM | Reply

Hillary Clinton was just a terrible candidate.

Very true. Would have been a good president though. At least she knew what the job was.

#7 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-03-10 10:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Would have been a good president though."

The Republicans likely would have started laying the grounds for impeachment on day one, and she would have quickly become mired in it. She probably would have spent more time focusing on her enemies and having her POS staffers attack anyone who criticizes her than paying attention to the American people. If you want to beat Trump, choose a candidate who doesn't smell like that.

#8 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-10 10:58 PM | Reply

The Republicans likely would have started laying the grounds for impeachment on day one...

LOL. They've been doing that for 20 years and got nada.

#9 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-03-10 11:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Republicans likely would have started laying the grounds for impeachment on day one, and she would have quickly become mired in it. She probably would have spent more time focusing on her enemies and having her POS staffers attack anyone who criticizes her than paying attention to the American people.

Isn't that what the Democrats have done and how Trump has responded?

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#7

I tend to agree with you, I don't think she would have been a bad president, but the bar is now pretty low in that regard.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 11:21 PM | Reply

If the DNC allows a centrist to win their nomination, then they will likely win the election.
E-Z day.
But will the puritopians allow a centrist to emerge relatively unscathed from their political primary battle arena?

#12 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-11 12:07 AM | Reply

I find it funny that right wing republicans here crying about how the Dems should not vote for a lefty candidate

#13 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-03-11 12:46 AM | Reply

At least she knew what the job was.
#7 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Yeah, droning, Bombing, and ruining countries around the globe without a care in the world.

#14 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-11 12:50 AM | Reply

How Not to Lose to Donald Trump-

Have a message for the masses other than "HE'S A RACIST! OMG!"

#15 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-03-11 06:12 AM | Reply

I have an idea: stop worrying about what the right is going to say about everything we say or do or propose. It is a losing game. They simply apply whatever label they want to whatever you do, and their sheep will believe it. They are going to call Democrats "socialists" regardless of what their actual positions are.

Do Republicans care what Democrats are going to say about their policies? Hell no. And who owns all of government except the House of Representatives? And who got into power by promoting their extreme wing?

QED

#16 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 07:22 AM | Reply

"How Not to Lose to Donald Trump
Don't nominate a far left Progressive."

No, the best plan is to totally ignore Republicans who pretend to give us advice on how to win. Ignore them.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 07:59 AM | Reply

"Have a message for the masses in addition to "HE'S A RACIST! OMG!""

FTFY

#18 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 08:00 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah, droning, Bombing, and ruining countries around the globe without a care in the world.

#14 | POSTED BY A Mattress

LOL

Bloated Child Rapist Cancels U.S. Report on Civilian Deaths in Drone Strikes

www.bloomberg.com

#19 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-03-11 08:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If you want to beat Trump, choose a candidate who doesn't smell like that."

Yeah, while you vote for the candidate who does smell exactly as you describe, falsely, Hillary Clinton.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 08:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Between now and November 2020 you are going to see a pile of articles more or less called:

"You had better not do anything that inconveniences rich --------."

They will all be written by rich --------, just like this one was.

#21 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-03-11 08:10 AM | Reply

Nominate someone without stressing color or gender.
The country clearly sees the left's penchant to include anyone out of political "norms". In fact the further the better seems to be the left's battle cry.
Nominate someone like that and Trumps wins. Again

#22 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-03-11 08:10 AM | Reply

#14 Remember when we used to be able to notice things like drone strikes because our president wasn't a raving lunatic dumpster fire? Those were the days.

#23 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-11 08:21 AM | Reply

Nominate someone without stressing color or gender.

Democrats cant do that anymore, they have hitched their wagon to identity politics.

#24 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-11 08:23 AM | Reply

"Democrats cant do that anymore, they have hitched their wagon to identity politics."

MOre like Republicans have hitched their wagon to identity politics. It's a white party for white people that fully supports racists among their membership. Democrats are a party of diversity, everyone is welcome and our issues are universal issues like Medicare for All, Free College, and combatting global climate change.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 09:08 AM | Reply

"Nominate someone without stressing color or gender. "

Instead, we should nominate someone who can carry our issues to victory regardless of religion, color, gender, sexual orientation or even gender identification.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 09:10 AM | Reply

-Yes, to Republicans, Hillary was a demon lefty non-cookie baking woman... and Bernie is a Red Commie.

LOL....outside of 2 states, the left couldn't sell Hillary to moderates.

#27 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-11 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2019-03-11 09:08 AM | FLAG: Entrenched in identity politics

#28 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-11 09:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--our issues are universal issues like...

free stuff!

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-11 09:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#20, stop making false claims about my voting record, dotard.

#30 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-11 09:27 AM | Reply

"--our issues are universal issues like...
the same benefits provided by virtually all modern nations."

FTFY

#31 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-11 09:29 AM | Reply

Instead, we should nominate someone who can carry our issues to victory regardless of religion, color, gender, sexual orientation or even gender identification. #26 | POSTED BY DANNI

Good point. Hope someone emerges from the crowd who can carry that title. I'm sure it's goong to get a lil nasty in the political conversation before a front runner claims the title.

#32 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-03-11 10:01 AM | Reply

How Not to Lose to Donald Trump

Simple: Nominate a sane candidate.

So far, Dems don't have one. However, Biden is expected to announce soon and he currently leads in polling. Nominate Biden and Dems most likely win. Go hard left with Sanders or Warren and Trump is likely a 2-term president.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-11 10:14 AM | Reply

Ok, all you "moderates". What are the "moderate" policy prescriptions for the country's biggest issues?

Healthcare
Education
Environment
Infrastructure
Guns
Criminal Justice

We pretty much know what the "left" positions are. Show me a "moderate" platform you think a majority of America could get behind.

#34 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 12:24 PM | Reply

BTW, immigration is a hot button only for "conservatives".

#35 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 12:25 PM | Reply

--BTW, immigration is a hot button only for "conservatives".

Top Issues for Voters: Healthcare, Economy, Immigration
news.gallup.com

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-11 12:30 PM | Reply

Ok, fine, immigration is a big issue. What is the "moderate" solution? And how about all the other issues on that list?

#37 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 12:33 PM | Reply

Nominate Biden and Dems most likely win. Go hard left with Sanders or Warren and Trump is likely a 2-term president.

Would you vote for Biden over Trump?

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-11 12:38 PM | Reply

What is the "moderate" solution?

Extending walls that already exist....

Regarding Healthcare

Its a complex issue, IMO once the border is secure, proposing some sort of MediCare if you want to purchase it makes a lot of sense, trying to untangle corporations from having to fund health insurance would also be a good start, give the workers the difference, but let people really see how much they are paying, and pretty much immediately people will be making smarter choices.

Disregarding the terminally ill which we should have a federal program to support these people. Right now typically third party pays, people don't worry about the cost....

#39 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-11 12:40 PM | Reply

From your source:

Republicans/Republican leaners Democrats/Democratic leaners (%)

The economy 85 Healthcare 87
Immigration 84 Way women are treated in U.S. society 87
Taxes 76 Way income and wealth are distributed 82
Healthcare 72 Gun policy 76
Gun policy 68 Climate change 75

What do "moderates" want?

#40 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 12:41 PM | Reply

"By a margin of 56 to 33 percent, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents would prefer us to nominate "someone who would be a strong candidate against Trump even if they disagree with that candidate on most issues."

Were Obama able to run, he would be a landslide winner in 2020, given what the electorate is looking for.

Biden/Beto could be the ticket.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-11 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Would you vote for Biden over Trump?

#38 | POSTED BY JOE

I'd strongly consider it.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-11 12:52 PM | Reply

Would you vote for Biden over Trump?

#38 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-03-11 12:38 PM

Absolutely, I have said that since 2016 and would do it if the election were held today.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 01:04 PM | Reply

Thanks for the answers. I'm genuinely curious how many people who defend Trump on a daily basis would actually vote for a centrist Dem, especially after rightwing media has torn Biden a new one for 12 months. Trying to gauge whether nominating a centrist is actually worth it so i appreciate the response in this highly scientific poll.

#44 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-11 01:15 PM | Reply

#41,

This is a rare occasion. I dont know if I can even utter this.

On #41, corky, I agree.

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-11 01:27 PM | Reply

I'm genuinely curious how many people who defend Trump on a daily basis would actually vote for a centrist Dem

That is part of your (and ever other partisan on the DR Left's) problem, you think that since people like Jeff, Eberly or I don't bash Trump for everything under the sun that somehow translates into support. You all see a thread about something that slams Trump and immediately pile on, but when those of us on the Right say "wait a minute, this is not uncommon/not as it seems/premature" you immediately scream that we are trumphumpers, and hilarity ensues.

I voted for Johnson because I couldn't stand either candidate, and will vote for Biden/Schultz/Hickenlooper in a heartbeat, based on what I know now, because I still won't vote for Trump, ever.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 01:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- On #41, corky, I agree.

Please don't do that, it makes me want to rethink what I said, lol.

But I do think that if you and RoC could vote for Biden as it seems you both said on another thread, which I would also do in a pinch, then that should be game over as far as Dem voters who saying they are more concerned about winning than ideology.

LET me make the case for the opposite now, though.

There IS an argument that the far left should be making, that goes something like this:

The reason that center-left policy was ever a good idea was that there was center-right politicians that one could werk with to actually get bi-partisan policy passed once elected.... and the argument is that now there are not enough such pols on the right, there is only really far right politicians who will fight against the most moderate Dem policies anyway, so why not push what you really want?

The answer may be that the middle of electorate is not the politicians, and the electorate still wants bipartisanship, even if that is now much less likely.

Fighting fire with fire may just make a bigger fire.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-11 01:53 PM | Reply

I would have voted for Biden without any reservations in 2016, and will do so if he's on the ticket 2020.

#48 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-11 02:06 PM | Reply

The answer may be that the middle of electorate is not the politicians, and the electorate still wants bipartisanship, even if that is now much less likely.

I think that the most of the electorate craves bipartisanship, but the never ending cacophony of social media from the vocal fringes tends to deafen the middle to the point that they don't even bother making noise any more.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-11 02:23 PM | Reply

Fighting fire with fire may just make a bigger fire.

I think that the most of the electorate craves bipartisanship

And who says ya'll can't get along. lol.

I consider myself a moderate, and I am wary of having any yuuuge swings in our political regime. But at this point, I will vote for any Democrat running against Trump regardless.

#50 | Posted by horstngraben at 2019-03-11 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The reason that center-left policy was ever a good idea was that there was center-right politicians that one could werk with to actually get bi-partisan policy passed once elected.... and the argument is that now there are not enough such pols on the right, there is only really far right politicians who will fight against the most moderate Dem policies anyway

I think the Dems need to understand that "Bi-policy" also leans toward the right side of things just like it may lean toward the left side.

We have to remember, a moderate Dem policy would have something a conservative like me would vote for.

Instances of what I think is "moderate" or middle policy.

1. Abortion. Legal up to 5 months. Legal up to 9 months only in danger to the life of the mother or rape.
2. Immigration. Increased processing at ports of entry, taking the acceptance rate from the 10% it's at now to about 40%. Increased policing at the border where crossing isnt legal. Instant deportation if caught crossing not at a port of entry.

These are middle of the road suggestions. Why it cant get done, I will never understand.

#51 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-11 02:38 PM | Reply

"Legal up to 9 months only in danger to the life of the mother or rape." - #51 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-11 02:38 PM

Why 9 months if rape?

#52 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-11 02:41 PM | Reply

#51

Those appear to be two things that would never, ever pass a Republican Sen vote.

#53 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-11 02:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why 9 months if rape?

I dont know. I just thought to give the woman more time if she was raped.

#54 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-11 02:45 PM | Reply

So you're okay with murdering rape babies.

Why punish the child because mom dresses like a ----?

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-11 02:46 PM | Reply

Why punish the child because mom dresses like a ----?

#55 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Punishing undeserving youth and morally shaming women is like nirvana to conservatives.

#56 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-11 02:58 PM | Reply

#55

You should know better than to expect a right-wing position to be consistent. They don't think that deep.

#57 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 02:59 PM | Reply

I just thought to give the woman more time if she was raped.

Good to know men are out there just randomly deciding in their minds how much time a rape victim should have to get an abortion.

#58 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-11 03:07 PM | Reply

Still waiting to hear those brilliant "moderate" policy proposals to address America's biggest problems.

#59 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 03:33 PM | Reply

BTW, which facts do "moderates" believe in; real facts, or alternative facts?

#60 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-11 03:36 PM | Reply

These are middle of the road suggestions. Why it cant get done, I will never understand.

#51 | Posted by boaz

Boaz you are so far to the right that compared to your ideology my ideology is probably considered Republican.

#61 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-11 07:55 PM | Reply

Still waiting for those great "moderate" solutions to the country's problems.

#62 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-12 12:24 AM | Reply

--Still waiting for those great "moderate" solutions to the country's problems.

You should post a list of those you consider "moderates." Maybe they will respond.

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-03-12 12:30 AM | Reply

You should post a list of those you consider "moderates." Maybe they will respond.

#63 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I wouldn't know. I'm not one of them. I just hear everyone (particularly the right-wing concern trolls) warning Dems that they need to nominate a "moderate" because we are "too left-wing". If the policies being proposed by the Dems running are too "far-left", what would be the "moderate" alternatives?

Is there a "moderate" healthcare proposal that would cover everone?
Is there a "moderate" gun safety proposal that could get enough Republican votes to become law?
What is the "moderate" solution to affordable college education?
What is the "moderate" solution to global warming that could get Republican votes?

If you can't get any Republican votes, what difference does it make how "moderate" your policies are? It sounds like "moderate" means "cave in to the Republicans".

#64 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-03-12 12:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Is there a "moderate" healthcare proposal that would cover everone?
Is there a "moderate" gun safety proposal that could get enough Republican votes to become law?
What is the "moderate" solution to affordable college education?
What is the "moderate" solution to global warming that could get Republican votes?

^
Post of the year.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-12 02:05 AM | Reply

Maybe we should ask Kim ... he's hit two out of the park.

#66 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-12 08:27 AM | Reply

I'd take Biden over Trump. But, I don't agree with Beto as VP. Beto is pres if Biden leaves office...nope.

Need better VP option.

#67 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-12 08:30 AM | Reply

I like Hickenlooper or Bullock as vp with biden....

#68 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-12 08:34 AM | Reply

"I don't agree with Beto as VP. Beto is pres if Biden leaves office...nope.
Need better VP option."

Watch this video: www.youtube.com

You can see Beto in the background. The person in front of him is a much better choice.

#69 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-12 02:10 PM | Reply

Sentinel, I made the mistake of having the sound off. I kept reading mr veasey for some reason.

#70 | Posted by Petrous at 2019-03-12 09:39 PM | Reply

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