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Saturday, March 09, 2019

They have gathered in defiance of the freezing temperatures on a late February's night, scores of them twirling Somali flags in one hand and American flags in the other, crowding around the arrivals terminal and waiting to welcome one of their own. The vast Somali community in the Twin Cities is like one sprawling extended family, explains Ali Aden, a 39-year-old engineer who came to the U.S. two decades ago, as we survey the scene.

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Fat Andy the Mattress calling others a racist! Oh the irony!

#1 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-03-08 01:04 PM | Reply

It is surprising. You would think there would be more concern about real racists like Republican Steve King but they always get a pass.

#2 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-03-08 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why are we not talking about divided loyalties and the selling of American first amendment rights to Israel?

Let focus of the wrong doer's.

#3 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-03-08 02:42 PM | Reply

#2 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

You can't deal with your own racist, so you look else where ...

Going around calling people Nazi's with anti-Semites in your midst, you are the real Nazi's you just don't know it.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-09 12:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Let focus of the wrong doer's.

#3 | POSTED BY FRESNO500

We are ... Democrats .. the real hypocrits ..

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-09 12:51 AM | Reply

"you are the real Nazi's"

To review:
"Blood and soil."
"Jews will not replace us."

Actual Nazi chants by armed Chatlotesville marchers that have never been condemned by Andrea, a mattress. Or anyone else on the right for that matter.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-09 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" you are the real Nazi's you just don't know it."

you are, hands down, the dumbest pos that posts here.

literal nazis are marching in the us and you're saying they're democrats.

use your dads money to buy a clue.

#7 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-03-09 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6

I CONDEMN THEE, CHANTS AND SEVERAL DOZEN SKINHEADS WHO DOST CHANT THEM!!!

(Feel better now?)

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 06:26 PM | Reply

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 06:26 PM | Reply | Flag: Worthless POS

#9 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-03-09 06:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9

Waaaaaaaaah.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 06:37 PM | Reply

"I CONDEMN THEE, CHANTS AND SEVERAL DOZEN SKINHEADS WHO DOST CHANT THEM!!!"

You don't sound even the slightest bit sincere.

Not that you make a habit of sounding sincere.

(Unless sincerely trolling libs counts.)

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-09 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Personally, I've always suspected the problem with Israel and certain leftists isn't just politics or economics like they profess.

It's that Judaism and Christianity are so intimately tied.

There are those who claim Judaism, Islam and Christianity answer to the same God.

You can sure sure Jews and Muslims don't believe they answer to the same God.

There is a faction of leftists in the US who have hard feelings towards Christians and want to see Christianity come to an end.

It only makes sense these same leftists would translate those feelings onto Jews since they are connected.

And those same leftists from all appearances come to the defense of Muslims.

I guess that would only make sense too since they have something common. They both dislike Christians and Jews.

This incident with Congresswoman Omar has given Antisemitism within the Democratic Party and voice and a face.

By the loud outcry from within their ranks this is a serious issue with their party and will continue.

It has given Antisemitism within the Democratic Party a voice and a face to put with it.

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-09 07:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#12 | Posted by BillJohnson

You're just retarded.

#13 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-03-09 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"This incident with Congresswoman Omar ..." - #12 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-09 07:26 PM

Who's that?

#14 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-09 07:32 PM | Reply

You're just retarded.

#13 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2019-03-09 07:30 PM | FLAG:

I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-09 07:32 PM | Reply

Angry,

Just because I doubled up a line?

Isn't that a bit extreme.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-09 07:35 PM | Reply

You're just retarded.

#13 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2019-03-09 07:30 PM | FLAG:

I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#15 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-03-09 07:32 PM

Angry just threw up a little bit in his mouth...

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:37 PM | Reply

#11

Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads with their Home Depot tiki torches that terrified you so.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:38 PM | Reply

Speaking of condemnation, I am waiting on one of the Obamabots to condemn Rep. Omar for making this commentL

As she saw it, the party ostensibly committed to progressive values had become complicit in perpetuating the status quo. Omar says the "hope and change" offered by Barack Obama was a mirage. Recalling the "caging of kids" at the U.S.-Mexico border and the "droning of countries around the world" on Obama's watch, she argues that the Democratic president operated within the same fundamentally broken framework as his Republican successor.

"We can't be only upset with Trump. ... His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was," Omar says. "And that's not what we should be looking for anymore. We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished. We want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile."

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:50 PM | Reply

"Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads..." - #18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:38 PM

That's still more than the New Black Panthers who supposedly intimidated voters at that Philadelphia voting precinct.

To hear your fellow rightwingers tell it, those 2 guys were the death of democracy.

And, unlike Charlottesville, no one was killed in Philadelphia.

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-09 07:52 PM | Reply

"Speaking of condemnation, I am waiting on one of the Obamabots to condemn Rep. Omar for making this comment..." - #19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:50 PM

I CONDEMN OMAR, AND ANYONE WHO DOST REPEAT WHAT SHE SAID!!!

(Feel better now?)

#21 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-09 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#21

I do now, thanks!

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 07:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The lock step Nazis are complaining that Democrats can disagree. Amusing.

#23 | Posted by bored at 2019-03-09 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bored,

The radical right skinhead Antisemitic Nazis do exist but are they in Congress making statements?

And then is the Republican Party having to figure out what to do about it since so many within their ranks agree?

#24 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-09 08:12 PM | Reply

The lock step Nazis

Where...do they have Home Depot tiki torches???

-Quivering Lefties everywhere

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 08:20 PM | Reply

"The lock step Nazis
Where...do they have Home Depot tiki torches???
-Quivering Lefties everywhere"

And this is why nobody believes you actually condemn the armed marchers chanting Nazi slogans and waving Nazi flags.

Even your so-called condemnation is just another way to troll the libs.

Turns out a great way for extremists to grow in power is to dismiss the threat; just laugh them off like they're inconsequential and meaningless.

Inconsequential and meaningless. You know, like Heather Heyer's life, and death.

Suck on that, liberals!

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-09 08:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Hyperspastic reaction from both sides just proves what Rep. Omar said was absolutely true. Truth is what happens when politicians stop playing politics. Maybe Omar can teach the Republicans and Democrats a lesson in that.

#27 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-09 08:54 PM | Reply

"Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads with their Home Depot tiki torches that terrified you so."

Stop lying:

Charlottesville: far-right crowd with torches encircles counter-protest group

Hundreds of far-right demonstrators wielded torches as they marched on to the University of Virginia campus in Charlottesville on Friday night and reportedly attacked a much smaller group of counter-protesters who had linked arms around a statue of Thomas Jefferson.

www.theguardian.com

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I CONDEMN THEE, CHANTS AND SEVERAL DOZEN SKINHEADS WHO DOST CHANT THEM!!!"

White Nationalists March on University of Virginia

Late Friday night, several hundred torch-bearing men and women marched on the main quadrangle of the University of Virginia's grounds, shouting, "You will not replace us," and "Jew will not replace us." They walked around the Rotunda, the university's signature building, and to a statue of Thomas Jefferson, where a group of counterprotesters were gathered, and a brawl ensued. At least one person was led away in handcuffs by the police.

www.nytimes.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 08:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Turns out a great way for extremists to grow in power is to dismiss the threat; just laugh them off like they're inconsequential and meaningless.

Even the ADL estimates the Neo Nazi movement to number less than 10,000 members in the US, which is 0.003030303030303% of the US population. There are more dangerously drunk Eagles fans at Lincoln Financial Field 8 Sundays a month than that.

Heather Heyer's murder was a tragedy, without a doubt. But continuing to use it as a political tool is more than a little distasteful at this point.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Ohhhh, scary...wake me when those several hundred white nationalists move out of Mom's basement.

At this point, continuing to bring them up reeks of fearmongering and more than a little desperation.

Just ask Jussie Smollett how that worked out for him.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Even the ADL estimates the Neo Nazi movement to number less than 10,000 members in the US, which is 0.003030303030303% of the US population. "

this is such a bad argument.

how many actual terrorists are there out of the muslim population?

#32 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-03-09 09:04 PM | Reply

I would be a little more concerned about the 1.4 Million gang members, in 33.000 gangs in the US if I were you.

#33 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:05 PM | Reply

#32

It's actually the same argument, thanks for pointing that out.

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:06 PM | Reply

yeah?

it took 9 ass wipes with boxcutters to pull off 9/11.

Highly motivated hate mongers are worth watching, regardless of how few they are.

maybe you think neo nazis are a joke, but i'm not laughing.

#35 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-03-09 09:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#35

I don't think they are a joke, but how they are brought up as the bogeyman every time some idiot on the Left has no other argument is.

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:10 PM | Reply

Highly motivated hate mongers are worth watching, regardless of how few they are.

Absolutely, and the FBI, CIA and Secret Service do an outstanding job keeping an eye on them on a daily basis, as evidenced by how many attacks are thwarted each year.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:13 PM | Reply

"Ohhhh, scary...wake me when those several hundred white nationalists move out of Mom's basement.
At this point, continuing to bring them up reeks of fearmongering and more than a little desperation."

The only person desperate to promote minimizing lies is you:

The murder of 11 Jewish worshippers at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh more than four months ago was the most deadly U.S. domestic extremist attack since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, but it was far from an isolated incident. The University of Maryland's Global Terrorism Database showed that, from 2010 to 2016, right-wing inspired terrorist acts in the United States have grown from 6 percent of total domestic terror attacks to 35 percent. The Anti-Defamation League's report, "A Dark and Constant Rage," catalogued 150 right-wing attacks from 1993 to 2017, noting that "right-wing extremists have been one of the largest and most consistent sources of domestic terror incidents in the United States for many years." The Center for Strategic and International Studies also reported that, between 2016 and 2017 alone, right-wing inspired violence had quadrupled in the United States.

In the latest example, Christopher Hasson -- a self-described white nationalist Coast Guard officer -- was arrested in February for planning attacks on a target list of prominent Democratic politicians and cable news journalists. For at least two years, Lt. Hasson visited white supremacist and neo-Nazi websites; researched biological weapons and improvised explosives; and studied far-right extremist manifestos. Hasson's arrest came only a few months after white nationalist Robert Bowers murdered 11 people and injured 7 more at the shooting inside the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, an attack that appears to have been motivated by anti-Semitism and inspired by his extensive involvement in white supremacist and alt-right online networks. From the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally in August 2017 to Cesar Sayoc's attempted mail bomb attacks on several of President Donald Trump's most prominent critics, the spread of far-right ideology is inspiring an increasing number of violent attacks that put the safety of Americans at risk.

For the first time in U.S. history, the number of open FBI cases into domestic terrorism equals the number of foreign terrorist cases being investigated -- a startling trend that FBI Director Christopher Wray first acknowledged last year.


www.drudge.com

#38 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:17 PM | Reply

Sorry, here's the link:

www.americanprogress.org

#39 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:17 PM | Reply

FBI has 1,000 open domestic terror investigations: director

FBI Director Chris Wray on Wednesday told lawmakers that the bureau currently has "about 1,000" open domestic terrorism investigations, amid ongoing debate about the government's response to the violence in Charlottesville, Va. that left a 32-year-old woman dead.

Wray also revealed that there have been 176 arrests of domestic terror subjects in approximately the last year. He was unable to provide lawmakers with the exact number of agents working on domestic terrorism investigations.

At least as early as this spring, the FBI has been warning of the threat from white supremacist groups.

In a May bulletin, the bureau reported that white supremacist groups were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016, "more than any other domestic extremist movement."

thehill.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As expected the right is showing a complete lack of awareness on this.

Because they, as a group, are far more anti-everything non white and non Christian and they know it.

So they play the false equivalency game when they think they can pin those labels on a dem.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2019-03-09 09:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#40

Which confirms my point in #37.

Thanks.

#42 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:30 PM | Reply

The Democrats' Dilemma
The actual Democrat's Dilemma remains whether to keep the racist Democrat VA governor or the multiple accused rapist Democrat VA lt. governor.

#43 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-09 09:34 PM | Reply

In a May bulletin, the bureau reported that white supremacist groups were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016, "more than any other domestic extremist movement."

Let's compare that to gang violence, shall we?:

The number of gang-related homicides reported from 2007 to 2012 is displayed by area type and population size.

From 2007 through 2012, a sizeable majority (more than 80 percent) of respondents provided data on gang-related homicides in their jurisdictions.

The total number of gang homicides reported by respondents in the NYGS sample averaged nearly 2,000 annually from 2007 to 2012. During roughly the same time period (2007 to 2011), the FBI estimated, on average, more than 15,500 homicides across the United States (FBI: Crime in the US).

These estimates suggest that gang-related homicides typically accounted for around 13 percent of all homicides annually.

National Gang Center: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems in the US

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:36 PM | Reply

"The actual Democrat's Dilemma remains whether to keep the racist Democrat VA governor or the multiple accused rapist Democrat VA lt. governor." - #43 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-03-09 09:34 PM

Who?

#45 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-09 09:39 PM | Reply

"You know, I will talk about the family separation or caging of kids and then people will point out that this was wrong – I mean this was Obama."

Obama did not carry out a family separation policy of like the one the Trump administration has been enforcing. The Obama administration did not separate children, including infants, from their parents and then deport the parents while keeping the children in the US, sometimes referring those children to an adoption agency affiliated with Besty DeVos. Omar needs to get her facts straight before she shoots off her mouth. Gaslighting people about what she said after the fact makes her much more like Trump than Obama, whom she claims to like.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:39 PM | Reply

Gal, I am not trying to diminish the threat, but let's put it this way- I am way more worried about Calle 18 then a bunch of skinheads who made a quick stop at Home Depot to march around a Confederate Statue, but you don't see me constantly bringing them up when I have nothing else to say.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-09 09:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Let's compare that to gang violence, shall we?:"

Compare away. It won't change the stupidity of your remark:

"Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads with their Home Depot tiki torches that terrified you so."

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Gal, I am not trying to diminish the threat,"

Okay, that wasn't the impression I was getting. It seemed boneheaded, to use one of my stepdad's favorite phrases, to minimize the threat of white supremacists when there was one successful and two attempted attacks by men with what ideology in the last few years.

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:46 PM | Reply

#46 If Omar doesn't start choosing her words more carefully in the future, I think she will find support for her more inflammatory statements will begin to diminish. When one of her fellow progressives and a Sanders co-chair (Ro Khanna) tells her some of her comments are anti-Semitic, she would do well to take his criticism to heart and to speak more precisely in the future. People will give her the benefit of the doubt for a while, but at some point if they see a repeated pattern emerging, they will be less likely to cut her some slack.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 09:54 PM | Reply

I am way more worried about Calle 18

Who?

then a bunch of skinheads who made a quick stop at Home Depot to march around a Confederate Statue,

Well. That makes sense. They're your people.

By the way. Great job at underplaying the event.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-09 09:57 PM | Reply

Let's compare that to gang violence, shall we?

Why? What does your deflection from white supremacists violence gain us in discussion?

Nothing? Just here to support your klan members?

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-03-09 10:00 PM | Reply

"I know Ilhan Omar personally; I'm convinced she's not anti-Semitic," Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Fremont) told me. "I think she understands the hurt her remarks caused. I believe she does."
www.latimes.com

DAVIS: Republican Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy is calling for her removal from the House Foreign Affairs Committee, but Democrats aren't willing to go there just yet. Here's California Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna.

RO KHANNA: If it becomes a pattern where every month or something, something is happening, then that's a different matter. But I know her. And I think she's going to learn from these experiences.
www.interlochenpublicradio.org

The ball, as they say, is in Omar's court.

#53 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 10:01 PM | Reply

Correction: "two attempted attacks" should be "two planned but prevented attacks"

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 10:14 PM | Reply

"You know, I will talk about the family separation ... I mean this was Obama."

Nope:

The facts about Trump's policy of separating families at the border

The Trump administration owns this family-separation policy, and its spin deserves Four Pinocchios.

www.washingtonpost.com

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-09 10:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Even the ADL estimates the Neo Nazi movement to number less than 10,000 members in the US."

So, collectively, they could only pull off about 526.315789474 9/11s.

Or 10,000 Anders Breiviks.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-09 11:40 PM | Reply

"Let's compare that to gang violence, shall we?"

You want to compare gang violence to gang violence?

Okay.

The Proud Boys founder literally said he started a gang.

One with far greater proximity to a major political party than any gang you'd care to name:

"Roger Stone, the long-time informal advisor to Donald Trump has close connections to the Proud Boys."
en.m.wikipedia.org

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-09 11:49 PM | Reply

"Gal, I am not trying to diminish the threat,"

Well, except for all the comments below in this thread alone, and comments of the same tenor you've posted in the past.

All you've done in this discussion is minimize the threat, even making arguments that white nationalists can't even be considered a gang:

Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads with their Home Depot tiki torches that terrified you so.
#18 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

The lock step Nazis
Where...do they have Home Depot tiki torches???
-Quivering Lefties everywhere
#25 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

There are more dangerously drunk Eagles fans at Lincoln Financial Field 8 Sundays a month than that.
Heather Heyer's murder was a tragedy, without a doubt. But continuing to use it as a political tool is more than a little distasteful at this point.
#30 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Ohhhh, scary...wake me when those several hundred white nationalists move out of Mom's basement.
At this point, continuing to bring them up reeks of fearmongering and more than a little desperation.
Just ask Jussie Smollett how that worked out for him.
#31 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I would be a little more concerned about the 1.4 Million gang members, in 33.000 gangs in the US if I were you.
#33 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I don't think they are a joke, but how they are brought up as the bogeyman every time some idiot on the Left has no other argument is.
#36 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

#58 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-10 12:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Even the ADL estimates the Neo Nazi movement to number less than 10,000 members in the US
#30 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

Oh I see.

It's a small group of citizens.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-10 12:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I agree with Omar... Obama made many choices I disagreed with.
I also agree that politicians should not have dual allegations.

As I also would not be shocked to hear Roc has a tiki torch in his closet

#60 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-10 01:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

As[sic] I also would not be shocked to hear Roc has a tiki torch in his closet[sic]

I have a half dozen or more of them in the garage. We use a citronella infused fuel. It helps with the skeeters. Am I now some kind of domestic terrorist?

#61 | Posted by et_al at 2019-03-10 03:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Obviously x6

#62 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-10 03:43 AM | Reply

Its just the changing of the guard... a new generation taking over.

#63 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-10 06:07 AM | Reply

There is a faction of leftists in the US who have hard feelings towards Christians and want to see Christianity come to an end.

#12 | POSTED BY BILLJOHNSON AT 2019-03-09 07:26 PM | REPLY |

HOW?

How can you see Christianity come to an end?

It's like brainstorming, let ALL ideas flow!

PS. How would you feel if someone said that about Buddhism? Islam? Honestly, Bill

#64 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-03-10 08:43 AM | Reply

So many want freedom of religion, but don't want those pest-like Christians.

So many want a Muslim woman in Congress, but then are shocked when she espouses antisemitism.

Many want to be LGBT allies but don't want to talk about lifestyle choices that an often unhealthy and dangerous when writ large.

Ohhhh the dilemmas. If only liberalism (and conservatism) worked the way it's fantasy-land proponents dreamed...

#65 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-03-10 08:48 AM | Reply

#65 She never said anything antisemitic, you blind little sheep.

#66 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-10 09:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12, Dear Bill.

Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Mormonism all have historical, geographical and cultural ties of varying degrees. Joseph Campbell also demonstrates that stories of the creation, human sacrifice, human struggles, salvation, family and sex share commonalities far beyond just Western Culture.

Historically, all religions are able to occupy the space of human ignorance, a shrinking space but also a space that will never end. Speaking for myself, as one who was raised Lutheran, I could see at the age 13 that the entire Lutheran fabrication of God, sin, salvation are utterly ridiculous. But that doesn't mean the Christ did not have something important to say to mankind, he most certainly raised Western con sciousness out of our primitive brutal origins, which were eat or be eaten. Because of the way mankind has conquered nature, through scientific understanding realized through the magic of math, We don't have to live that way. So its sad that we live in a country whose central guiding principle is might makes right.

The problem with organized religion is that is is a lie which contradicts everything science has revealed to us about biology, chemistry, physics, the cosmos, evolution and life itself.

Every child is born with a sense of fairness and feels free to lecture adults ceaselessly on this topic. This idea destabilizes societies built on large income disparities like the USA. The afterlife was invented quell the masses of people who are on the losing end. It is the ultimate fairy tale of all religions.

There is less religious false mythology within the leftist community than the right, though for those who continue to cling to religion inorder to cope with the grotesque inequities of our social order, engineered by the wealthy, both groups share some common false beliefs.

#67 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-10 12:08 PM | Reply

Bay,

Holy cow....you've got everything in that but the kitchen sink.

Here's how you and I differ.

I believe removing Christian thought and values from the mainstream in the US has destabilized society, not improved things.

The massive inequity between the rich and the poor would not have occurred to such an extreme without the loss of religious values.

The 80's was a turning point for America on many fronts.

#68 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-10 01:22 PM | Reply

"I believe removing Christian thought and values from the mainstream in the US has destabilized society, not improved things."

Values like this?

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-10 01:27 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

Generally speaking, I'm talking about the general attitude of "greed".

The secular world is far more openly candid about their shameless "love of money" and the belief that greed is a healthy goal for your life.

#70 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-10 01:42 PM | Reply

"Generally speaking, I'm talking about the general attitude of "greed"."

Look who is in the White House.
Look at who supports him.

Why can't you connect the dots, BillJohnson?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-10 01:44 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I hate to admit it but Christianity has a deep history of greed being incorporated into their teachings.

And there are Christians who resist it.

#72 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-10 01:46 PM | Reply

Trump literally said:

My whole life I've been greedy, greedy, greedy. I've grabbed all the money I could get. I'm so greedy. But now I want to be greedy for the United States. I want to grab all that money. I'm going to be greedy for the United States.

www.vox.com

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-10 02:09 PM | Reply

MAGA really means Make America Greedy Again.

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-10 02:13 PM | Reply

#58

No, I am just successfully...wait for it...trolling you because of your repeated "no one on the right condemned the tiki torch chanters" BS.

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#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-10 02:23 PM | Reply

MAGA really means Make America Greedy Again.
#74 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Greed is good, greed isn't racist, greed is why you have a computer.

I would rather work with a greedy person, than a person that believes different races deserve to be treated differently.

#76 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-10 02:32 PM | Reply

"Greed is good,"

TY, Gordon Gekko.

#77 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-10 02:44 PM | Reply

"Then he said, "Beware! Guard against every kind of greed. Life is not measured by how much you own." Luke 12:15

#78 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-10 02:46 PM | Reply

Ecclesiastes 5:10 "Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless."

Proverbs 15:27 "The greedy bring ruin to their households, but the one who hates bribes will live."

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-10 02:49 PM | Reply

This morning on NPR, a Canadian who spent a decade or more studying rats, revealed a truth that our DNA is dynamic and influenced by the way we treat each other. More specifically, as adults we are healthier, and more loving towards each other if we were given lots of attention by our mothers in our infancy, touching reading. In the case of rats that behavior is manifest in licking. This mans study demonstrated that what the righties like to characterize as bad genes is really just bad parenting and a less secure environment some grow up in has more influence on our adult behavior and actual physical makeup than just our genes. Trump epitomizes those beliefs.

I wish I had caught this scientists name because it was a most interesting discussion.

The right wing closely held belief that whites are better than blacks or any other race is an entirely false construct designed to continue white domination of wealth. The right wing culture seeks this advantage and achieves this end by making sure the less advantaged in our society stay that way and then blame their genetics or personal failings on that outcome.

Anyway right wing theories about why some excel and others fail are bunk. Unfortunately right wing philosophy still prevails within our institutions of religion and governance, yielding disparate sentencing, disparate incomes, graffiti, lush or decrepit school buildings, slums, and prisons till the cows come home. Look no further than our incompetent President, born into wealth, which has multiplied many times over through dishonesty, even in the face of extreme sloth. No matter what skills you acquire, nothing maters more than the head start you get from family wealth within a capitalist system. Nothing except nurturing which creates the exceptions which fuels the right wing lies.

#80 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-03-10 03:00 PM | Reply

The more insulting you children get, the more likely there's trouble in the Party. I think you all qualify for a discount on Pampers. They do that for low income families.

#81 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-03-11 04:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

you are the real Nazi's.

#4 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

#82 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-03-11 05:00 PM | Reply

Oh, I am very sincere in my condemnation of those couple of dozen skinheads with their Home Depot tiki torches that terrified you so.

#18 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

As usual, a right winger has difficulty gauging crowd sizes...

#83 | Posted by chuffy at 2019-03-11 05:29 PM | Reply

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