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Tuesday, March 05, 2019

The school shooting near Houston on Friday bolstered a stunning statistic: More people have been killed at schools this year than have been killed while serving in the military. Initial estimates put the number killed at Santa Fe High School at eight. (The death toll has since risen to 10.) The Washington Post compared that to figures for the military compiled from Defense Department news releases, including both combat and noncombat deaths. Even excluding non-students who died in school shootings (for example, teachers) the total still exceeds military casualties. From Jan. 1 through May 18, there were 29 fatalities in 16 school shootings. So far in 2018, there have been 13 service member fatalities in seven incidents. Seven of those casualties occurred in a helicopter crash in Iraq in March. Three of the total number of military casualties were not related to combat.



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Piles of dead children will do nothing to interrupt the crushing delight of 'gun play for idiots'.

Guns and dead children, it's what's for fun.

#1 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-03-05 10:04 AM | Reply

Piles of dead children will do nothing to interrupt the crushing delight of OpenBorders.

No wall and dead children, its whats for fun in LibbyLand....

#2 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-05 10:10 AM | Reply

I forgte to check the date on that article. It's from May of last year so the numbers are almost certainly off.

#3 | Posted by qcp at 2019-03-05 10:13 AM | Reply

Ugh. Forgot.

#4 | Posted by qcp at 2019-03-05 10:14 AM | Reply

No wall and dead children, its whats for fun in LibbyLand....


So, you are saying that all the school shooters are illegal immigrants?

that's funny, every statistic i've seen shows that they are right-wing, white, evangelical, and with some history of mental illness ... but i am being redundant.

#5 | Posted by kudzu at 2019-03-05 10:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Fake news. www.snopes.com

And super dodgy headline.

#6 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-05 10:26 AM | Reply

Who knew that 2018 was less than 5 months long?

#7 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-05 10:31 AM | Reply

3,502 kids were killed or injured due to gun violence last year (1). Which is more than the total numebr of US military deaths of the entire war in Afghanistan (2).

1. www.gunviolencearchive.org

2. en.wikipedia.org

#8 | Posted by qcp at 2019-03-05 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sounds like a National Emergency to me.

#9 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-03-05 10:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

More people die from drug OD than guns. Half of all gun deaths are suicide.

#10 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-05 11:04 AM | Reply

U.S. deaths from alcohol, drugs and suicide hit highest level since record-keeping began
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The number of deaths from alcohol, drugs and suicide in 2017 hit the highest level since federal data collection started in 1999, according to an analysis of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data by two public health nonprofits.

The national rate for deaths from alcohol, drugs, and suicide rose from 43.9 to 46.6 deaths per 100,000 people in 2017, a 6 percent increase, the Trust for America's Health and the Well Being Trust reported Tuesday. That was a slower increase than in the previous two years, but it was greater than the 4 percent average annual increase since 1999.

#11 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-03-05 11:05 AM | Reply

#11, greatest country in the world right? Everyone is just so happy about it!

As for my numbers in post #8, "22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger."

#12 | Posted by qcp at 2019-03-05 11:09 AM | Reply

For those who would like to see up to the minute accurate stats on gun fatalities, the Gold Standard of that category is www.gunviolencearchive.org

Here are the 2019 stats compiled and verified on today's date 3/5/2019.

Home 2019

Total Number of Incidents 8,630

Number of Deaths1 2,374

Number of Injuries1 4,073

Number of Children (age 0-11)

Killed or Injured1 87

Number of Teens (age 12-17)

Killed or Injured1 373

Mass Shooting2 51

Officer Involved Incident

Officer Shot or Killed2 46

Officer Involved Incident

Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed2 358

Home Invasion2 321

Defensive Use2 213

Unintentional Shooting2 246

Gun violence and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.

1: Actual number of deaths and injuries
2: Number of INCIDENTS reported and verified

22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger

Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information
collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.

www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive

Data Validated: March 05, 2019

Gun Violence Archive

When discussion of stats will be part of our conversations here on the Retort, we could all be more persuasive and precise if we begin by checking this valuable information site.

Live with the facts. Deal with the truth.

#13 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-03-05 11:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Live with the facts. Deal with the truth.

Good idea. Let's start with the your "Gold Standard."

After the February 14, 2018, shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, for example, headlines around the country reported it to be the seventeenth school shooting of the year.[6] Many news outlets relied on data from a prominent gun control organization, Everytown for Gun Safety. Everytown defines school shootings as "any time a firearm discharges a live round inside or into a school building or on or onto a school campus or grounds, as documented by the press and, when necessary, confirmed through further inquiries with law enforcement or school officials."[7] Based on this definition, and subsequently included in their compiled data, are attempted or completed suicides, accidental discharges, and purposeful discharges in which no one is injured or killed. When the seventeen events reported by Everytown for 2018 (through the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting) are separated based on their context, the number of school shootings in the more "traditional" sense (using Columbine as a template) is reduced to three. This, of course, creates issues developing appropriate policies and responses. Since these situations all required qualitatively different responses from school administrators, law enforcement officials, and other vested stakeholders, treating them all the same for the purpose of providing more compelling statistics is problematic.

#14 | Posted by et_al at 2019-03-05 02:34 PM | Reply

Atleast drugs..booze and suicide usually only kill the one doing it.. where as non suicide gun deaths kill other people
Really not the same thing

#15 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-03-06 07:33 AM | Reply

In a hundred years, I have to wonder if people will be looking back at this moment in time and think our solutions to problems looks vaguely like using leaches to remove bad blood.

Never mind WHY the blood is bad...just know we gotta remove that blood.

It might be a good idea to figure out what is wrong with society that kids are angry and violent.

I mean...kids shooting up schools is a drop in the hat of all the violent acting out kids are doing that we read about week after week.

#16 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-06 08:18 PM | Reply

drop in the bucket...I should say.

#17 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-03-06 08:20 PM | Reply

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