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Tuesday, March 05, 2019

Hillary Clinton ruled out a 2020 presidential run for the first time on camera in an exclusive interview with News 12, pledging instead to take an active role by working with the candidates in the crowded Democratic field. "I'm not running, but I'm going to keep on working and speaking and standing up for what I believe," she told News 12's Tara Rosenblum.

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Clinton, who lost the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump, said she plans to take on an active role in the Democratic party in the lead up to the next election.

Needs repeating for some people.

#1 | Posted by Spork at 2019-03-05 07:53 AM | Reply

Clinton, who lost the 2016 presidential election to Donald Trump, said she plans to take on an active role in the Democratic party in the lead up to the next election.

Get her on the campaign trail! She's good at campaigning. / snark

#2 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-05 09:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not running is the first self aware action I can credit her with. A little bit more of it, and maybe she'd actually become viable.

#3 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-03-05 10:57 AM | Reply

Has to stay close to the teat. There's no money in retirement.

#4 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-03-05 02:10 PM | Reply

Well she can always wobble in 2020.

#5 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-05 07:47 PM | Reply

Skru all you doubters... she has bigger fish to fry... every time she gets knocked down she comes back bigger than before. Right now... like the rest of us she is watching the orange pig twisting in the wind.

Trumplethinskin is leaving office in disgrace significantly broker... maybe a kid or two behind bars... persona non grata most places... where deplorables aren't...

she will just keep making money... enjoying life success and her family.

Hate all you want... she made history

#6 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-05 07:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"I'm not running, but I'm going to keep on working and speaking and standing up for what I believe," she told News 12's Tara Rosenblum.

IN OTHER WORDS

"I'm not running, but I'm going to stay involved enough to help boost republican turnout."

Go away loser. Enjoy your life of bribe-money-funded luxury.

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-05 08:08 PM | Reply

tsk tsk tsk tsk

She burned Bernie...

#8 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-05 09:03 PM | Reply

Folks may want HRC to go quietly into that good night, but the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of her voters.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-05 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LauraBelle will be SO disappointed!

#7

What a whiny B. broad-brusher.... almost all Dems are "bribe-takers" according to you. Dems running for office in very blue Districts beg her to help them get elected and she's done more for progressive causes in this country, and for women world-wide than you could ever think about doing.

She was breaking glass ceilings, infiltrating segregationist strongholds, b-slapping rwingers, werking for George McGovern, and not baking any GD cookies before you were a twinkle in Glenn Greenwald's eye... as if.

Other than being made unelectable by the far right and the far left werking together, she's still the most qualified Dem out there with the best experience for the job.

But hey, I'm glad she's not submitting herself to more rwing-ish slander from lwing Puridopians who don't think winning the popular vote, first time ever for any woman, and coming within a fraction of a fraction of a percent of being Pres, which would have been the first Dem 3rd term since FDR, was a decent showing.

So tell us more about Bernie's gun control votes and promoting F-35's in NH and running as an Eb'il Democrat next time you want to talk about hypocritical politicians... you know, since you don't have Hillary to kick around anymore.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-05 09:11 PM | Reply

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"enjoying life success and her family."

At the end of August last year, I talked to someone, two people actually, who know Bill and Hillary (they're neighbors in Chappaqua), and the wife mentioned that they had seen Bill and Hillary at a recent local event. I asked how Hillary was doing, and the wife said Hillary seemed to be doing well. Despite her loss (and ours), I bet Hillary is dong better than Trump right now.

#11 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-05 09:19 PM | Reply

dong = doing :)

#12 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-05 09:22 PM | Reply

I bet Hillary is dong better than Trump right now.

This version was not only funnier but probably more accurate.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-03-05 09:31 PM | Reply

"Folks may want HRC to go quietly into that good night, but the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of her voters."

Sounds like many of her supporters are just as petty, vindictive and entitled as they accused Sanders supporters of being.

#14 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-03-06 01:03 AM | Reply

#14 "Sounds like many of her supporters are just as petty, vindictive and entitled as they accused Sanders supporters of being."

I'm not sure how you got that from my observation, but this is equally as true:

"Some folks may want Bernie to go quietly into that good night, but the Democratic nominee, if it isn't Bernie, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of his voters."

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 01:11 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure how you got that from my observation"

By steering towards the pet crossing the road, instead of trying to avoid it.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 01:34 AM | Reply

Not running? Good.

#17 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2019-03-06 06:35 AM | Reply

the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of her voters.

I think the question is, how many of them require her presence just to vote for another Democrat, versus the number of people who might be dissuaded by her still hanging around? I'd argue it's a wash at best and that she'd do better to go away.

#18 | Posted by JOE at 2019-03-06 07:44 AM | Reply

To this day I still have never understood the hatred of Hillary Clinton. She has tried her best to be a public servant, but the hatred for her which was manufactured by folks like Rush Limbaugh even effects many Democrats. Americans are some of the least independent thinking people in the world. That a talk show host would have such power over opinions, even those who mostly disagree with him is very telling about us as a people.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-06 08:08 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

Conservatives need to start a go-fund-me page to get Old Cackles back in the race. Litteraly, I would pay money to make that happen and then watch the ensuing Chinese fire drill.

#20 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-06 08:55 AM | Reply

Who needs to that Gracie ... she did it herself..

Has Hillary changed her mind? Clinton now says she is 'surprised her announcement NOT to run in 2020 was taken at face value and is waiting for the Mueller report before making a final decision', sources claim
www.dailymail.co.uk

#21 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-06 09:47 AM | Reply

To this day I still have never understood the hatred of Hillary Clinton.

I don't hate her, I think she's disgusting and represents everything Americans shouldn't want in a leader.

Americans are some of the least independent thinking people in the world.

Thats funny right there .... I suppose more government makes them more independent thinkers..

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-03-06 09:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

In a nutshell: Gracie and Andrea and many other 'faux patriotes' much rather play gimp to Trump's ugly toadstool than to face the prospect of resisting the urge to declare jihad against political 'abschaum' in the form of Hillary's -------. It's a complex S&M thing that I can't say I actually understand too well. Either way, they will always find themselves on their knees in the midst of a rather large puddle of sewage, whether it comes from themselves or someone else.

#23 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-03-06 10:54 AM | Reply

almost all Dems are "bribe-takers" according to you.
#10 | Posted by Corky

Yup. Which is why dems lost their claim to be the party of the people and got their asses whooped for the past10 years.

If hillary really cares about america, literally the best thing she could do is to go away. Her stay in the limelight inspires the opposition far more than it inspires democrats. But she can't do that can she?

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 11:12 AM | Reply

for example:
"Conservatives need to start a go-fund-me page to get Old Cackles back in the race. Litteraly, I would pay money to make that happen and then watch the ensuing Chinese fire drill.

#20 | Posted by gracieamazed "

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 11:13 AM | Reply

"I'm not sure how you got that from my observation"
By steering towards the pet crossing the road, instead of trying to avoid it.

Pointing out the obvious is not steering toward the pet crossing the road. Both of these statements are true:

"Folks may want HRC to go quietly into that good night, but the Democratic nominee, whoever that might be, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of her voters."

"Some folks may want Bernie to go quietly into that good night, but the Democratic nominee, if it isn't Bernie, won't have a shot at winning the presidency without the support of a significant number of his voters."

#26 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 11:21 AM | Reply

"Conservatives need to start a go-fund-me page to get Old Cackles back in the race." - #20 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-03-06 08:55 AM

I suppose those would be the same contributors who paid money to the GoFundMe Border Wall Campaign, that raised a whopping 2% of their goal?

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-06 11:22 AM | Reply

"I think the question is, how many of them require her presence just to vote for another Democrat,"

I'd say very few if any.

"versus the number of people who might be dissuaded by her still hanging around?"

I'd also say very few if any.

"I'd argue it's a wash at best and that she'd do better to go away."

Looks like we agree it's a wash.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 11:25 AM | Reply

"To this day I still have never understood the hatred of Hillary Clinton." - #19 | Posted by danni at 2019-03-06 08:08 AM

Hillary Battles the GOP Hate Machine
They hated Roosevelt and Kennedy, now they hate Obama and Clinton

[snip] The GOP armada that failed in its attempted coup to remove President Clinton from office set sail again in a failed attempt to defeat President Barack Obama in 2008, and again in 2012 while he was leading America to an economic recovery from the financial crash that occurred on the watch of the last Republican president, as the Great Depression occurred on the watch of an earlier GOP president.

Like the full page ad from the radical right that greeted President Kennedy with the politics of hate as he arrived in Dallas on November 22 in 1963, these campaigns of personal destruction know no limits and respect no truths.

It really isn't that hard to understand, Danni.

#29 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-06 11:29 AM | Reply

"Sounds like many of her supporters are just as petty, vindictive and entitled as they accused Sanders supporters of being."

I never thought of Sanders supporters as being petty or vindictive. I did think of some of them as being entitled.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 11:35 AM | Reply

Welllllll.......... all I have to say is a million Pink hats post-inauguration day... signaled the Blue Wave showing up in White Pant Suits and had the clown brigade seeing Red... while the Orange guy ate crow.

Clinton's legacy is better than the clowns care to admit ... all that Benghazi clownery went to waste...that's okay... I imagine things look bleak on the wrong side of history ...AGAIN

#31 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-03-06 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I bet Hillary is dong better than Trump right now.

Of course she is. She got away with classified spilliage when most ordinary Americans would have lost their jobs or freedom for the same offenses.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-06 12:15 PM | Reply

"Sounds like many of her supporters are just as petty, vindictive and entitled as they accused Sanders supporters of being."

The Bernie supporters who didn't vote for Hillary said they were doing so on moral grounds. They were following their consciences and/or their anti-establishment preferences. I didn't think they were not voting for her out of spite. Some didn't think Trump would be any worse as president than she would have been. Some thought he would be better. Some thought he would be worse but that would bring on the revolution faster, which was their ultimate goal. At least that's how I remember the reasoning and conclusions that were given.

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"She got away with classified spilliage when most ordinary Americans would have lost their jobs or freedom for the same offenses." - #32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-03-06 12:15 PM

Alternative reality.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2019-03-06 12:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- and got their asses whooped for the past 10 years.

Missed the first 8 of the last 10 years where that e'bil bribe-taking Dem Obama was President.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 01:23 PM | Reply

Of course she is. She got away with classified spilliage when most ordinary Americans would have lost their jobs or freedom for the same offenses.

#32 | Posted by boaz

Oh you mean ordinary americans like ivanka? yeah she's in jail now right?

www.politico.com

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 01:32 PM | Reply

Missed the first 8 of the last 10 years where that e'bil bribe-taking Dem Obama was President.

#35 | Posted by Corky

No you missed 2016 where all his anti establishment voters switched to trump. Still pretending that didn't happen.

en.wikipedia.org

"A study by the Democracy Fund Voter Study Group found that 9.2% of Obama voters voted for Trump in 2016.[1] According to the American National Election Study, 13% of Trump voters had voted for Obama in 2012.[2] Some analysts have argued that these voters had a disproportionately large impact on the 2016 election because they were concentrated in key swing states in the Midwest, while others have said that they were actually "Obama Republicans" rather than Democrats to begin with.[1][3] A May 2017 analysis by Global Strategy Group estimated that Obama-Trump voters accounted for more than two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's loss.[4]"

So much for your "all trumps voters were racists" theory.

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 01:34 PM | Reply

"To this day I still have never understood the hatred of Hillary Clinton."

Misogyny runs deep.

Witness the Viginia Democrats, who can't decide which is worse, wearing blackface thirty years ago, or sexual assault on a woman ten years ago.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- 9.2% of Obama voters

Which basically is the same number of Republicans and right/moderate indies that voted for Obama.

Your silly thesis that the rwing populists who voted for Trump are the same lwing populists who would have voted for Bernie will never hold any water in the real world.

Because some rwingers and lwingers share populism doesn't mean they are the same or vote the same.

"We will remember 2016 not only for the return of populism throughout the West, but also for the blindness of those who could not see the difference between right-wing and leftist populism."

www.aljazeera.com

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 02:27 PM | Reply

- "all trumps voters were racists" theory.

The vast percent of Trump voters told exit polls and studies that they voted for Trump to maintain their majority white status... and that they didn't necessarily mind a stronger safety net, if it would not also help minorities.

- accounted for more than two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's loss.

Is accounting for some 77,000 votes in the Rust Belt, a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the vote... and those voters said in studies that they leaned to Trump because Bernie had pushed Clinton too far left for their comfort.

So, no, they would not have been voting for Sanders.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"all trumps voters were racists" theory.

Not all Trump voters are racists.
But all Trump voters decided racism isn't a dealbreaker.

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 02:50 PM | Reply

Trump's victory was a successful referendum on white male privilege.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 02:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To this day I still have never understood the hatred of Hillary Clinton."

Misogyny runs deep.

#38 | Posted by snoofy

Thinking that misogyny is the reason people hated hillary proves that you learned nothing in 2016 and will likely lose again.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump's victory was a successful referendum on white male privilege.

#42 | Posted by snoofy

Trumps victory was a successful referendum on how corrupt people see they system and how desperate they are for an outsider to fix it. Learn the lesson or repeat it.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 02:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is accounting for some 77,000 votes in the Rust Belt, a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the vote... and those voters said in studies that they leaned to Trump because Bernie had pushed Clinton too far left for their comfort.

So, no, they would not have been voting for Sanders.

#40 | Posted by Corky

ahah there we have it. Poor hillary would have won if only sanders would have shut up and let the bankers install another puppet.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Thinking that the reason Hillary lost is because she took PAC money is a vast amount of projecting your own views on the voters... and that you learned nothing in the Dem Primary 2016 and will likely lose again.

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 03:01 PM | Reply

#45

Ahh, and there we have it again, a lame caricature with no argument to the facts.

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 03:02 PM | Reply

Oh Balderdash Corky. She lost the rust belt because she ignored them and they felt abandoned by her. Bernie wasn't at fault for her losses. SHE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#48 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-06 03:08 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Thinking that misogyny is the reason people hated hillary proves that you learned nothing in 2016 and will likely lose again.

#43 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-03-06 02:58 PM | FLAG:

They'll never learn. They are stuck on stupid.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-03-06 03:10 PM | Reply

Thinking that the reason Hillary lost is because she took PAC money is a vast amount of projecting your own views on the voters... and that you learned nothing in the Dem Primary 2016 and will likely lose again.

#46 | Posted by Corky

You've confused a symptom for a cause.

Hillary lost for the same reason that she took bribe money from bankers - because she's not a warrior for the middle class and and she fully and expertly participates in the corruption that has governed our nation for years.

Then she treats the american people like idiots and tells them that she'll fight for them against the people who sign her checks.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 03:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL

Corky is still in his pantsuit. Only one on the DR?

You didn't vote for Hillary? You are a misogynist racist. Yeah, let's do that again.

So FF.

#51 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-06 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

They are stuck on stupid.

#49 | Posted by LauraMohr

No dear.

We are ALL stuck on Stupid.

Until Trump leaves office.

#52 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-03-06 03:46 PM | Reply

"Thinking that misogyny is the reason people hated hillary."

I didn't say it's the only reason. Just that it's a reason.

Obama beat Hillary too.

You don't allow yourself to see how misogyny could have played a role in that too, do you?

Even as Virginia Democrats struggle with which is more egregious, racism or sexual assault, you still can't see it.

Remain in your third party safety bubble with JeffJ and MadBomber and Sitzkrieg, okay? You could get hurt if you choose a side, like Eberly did. Safer to take a knee in protest.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Thinking that misogyny is the reason people hated hillary."

I didn't say it's the only reason. Just that it's a reason.

Obama beat Hillary too.

You don't allow yourself to see how misogyny could have played a role in that too, do you?

Even as Virginia Democrats struggle with which is more egregious, racism or sexual assault, you still can't see it.

Remain in your third party safety bubble with JeffJ and MadBomber and Sitzkrieg, okay? You could get hurt if you choose a side, like Eberly did. Safer to take a knee in protest.

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 03:50 PM | Reply

ahah there we have it. Poor hillary would have won if only sanders would have shut up and let the bankers install another puppet.

#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-03-06 03:00 PM | FLAG:

More likely than a Bernie win.

#55 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-06 03:50 PM | Reply

Trump won for the same reason that he took bribe money from bankers - because he's not a warrior for the middle class and and he fully and expertly participates in the corruption that has governed our nation for years.

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 03:51 PM | Reply

Hillary is running. Only this time she looks just like Joe Biden.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-03-06 04:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump won for the same reason that he took bribe money from bankers - because he's not a warrior for the middle class and and he fully and expertly participates in the corruption that has governed our nation for years.

#56 | Posted by snoofy

Yup. He was lying about being a populist and convinced enough populists he would be on their side.

Dems told the populists to be realistic and accept this corporatist corrupt candidate, so they lost.

See the pattern here? Or do you need to repeat the lesson?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama beat Hillary too.

You don't allow yourself to see how misogyny could have played a role in that too, do you?

#54 | Posted by snoofy

You don't allow yourself to admit she was an expert player of a corrupt game that the country was sick of. It's why she lost to obama, it's why she lost to trump.

Her ovaries were not the problem. Her ethics, record, and judgement were.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You don't allow yourself to see how misogyny could have played a role in that too, do you?

#53 | Posted by snoofy

Not allowing yourself to see? That's what disagreeing with you is?

Your poetry is not moving me today.

That's deplorable.

#60 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-06 04:10 PM | Reply

Her ethics, record, and judgement were.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Along with not accepting the results of the election.

She is by her own definition a threat to our republic.

She never thought she'd lose!

ROFLMAO

#61 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-06 04:13 PM | Reply

"You don't allow yourself to admit she was an expert player of a corrupt game that the country was sick of."

Here's what I see, and you don't:

The game may be rigged, but it's the only game in town.

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 04:37 PM | Reply

"See the pattern here?"

I don't think I do.

Does the pattern extend to Obama, did he win the same way Trump won?

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 04:38 PM | Reply

Along with not accepting the results of the election.

She is by her own definition a threat to our republic.

She never thought she'd lose!

ROFLMAO

#61 | Posted by DixvilleNotch

Hillary sucks, but why should she accept the results of an election her opponent collaborated with enemies of the USA to win? Better yet, why do YOU?

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 04:38 PM | Reply

I don't think I do.

Does the pattern extend to Obama, did he win the same way Trump won?

#63 | Posted by snoofy

Yes. Obama actually did it exactly like trump - campaign as a populist while taking money from plutocrats, then hire a bunch of bankers to run the country, which is why so many of his voters were so disappointed. They took a chance that maybe dems would fight back on behalf of the little guy, and dems let them down, so they gave trump a chance.

If dems hadn't bought into the "you have to take bribes to win" strategy, we wouldnt have trump in the white house.

#65 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"If dems hadn't bought into the "you have to take bribes to win" strategy, we wouldnt have trump in the white house."

But you're saying Obama alao took bribes to win.
And Obama actually won.
So where's the pattern?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 04:45 PM | Reply

Is the crux that Hillary didn't campaign as a populist?

So the candidate who better projects themseves as a populist wins every time.

That's the pattern?

So then what's all this unrelated nonsense about banks and plutocrats?

You're pulling a bait and switch.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 04:51 PM | Reply

"Her ovaries were not the problem. Her ethics, record, and judgement were.
#59 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY"

For plenty of people, her gender alone was in fact a dealbreaker.

Are you old enough to remember the fairer sex questions Geraldine Ferraro got? It doesn't seem like you are. You sound like a stereotypical kid who thinks he's got everything figued out.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 04:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#68 Attitudes about women in power have come a long way since the early '80's.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-06 05:19 PM | Reply

"#68 Attitudes about women in power have come a long way since the early '80's."

Not for everyone they haven't.

It's a lot more true for Democrats than for Republicans, based on the makeup of their Congressional delegations, for example.

Post the nummbers. They reflect the attitudes towards women in power. And minorities in power. And non-Christians in power too.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 05:25 PM | Reply

I want to expound on #89....That attitudes have gotten a lot better, it still doesn't make this any less true:

For plenty of people, her gender alone was in fact a dealbreaker.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-06 05:26 PM | Reply

But you're saying Obama alao took bribes to win.
And Obama actually won.
So where's the pattern?

#66 | Posted by snoofy

The pattern is populism wins, promising the corporate status quo loses. Then if you betray the populist voters they'll turn their backs on you. Which is why trump is working all the time to deceive people into thinking he's still a populist. Obama quit the charade on day 1. Actually he quit the charade right after the election when he started hiring goldman sachs bankers to run the country right after they crashed the world economy.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 06:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For plenty of people, her gender alone was in fact a dealbreaker.

#68 | Posted by snoofy

And for plenty of people her gender alone was the reason they supported her. So you can't say that's the reason she lost unless you can prove that she lost more votes by being a woman than she gained by being a woman.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 06:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So you can't say that's the reason she lost unless you can prove that she lost more votes by being a woman than she gained by being a woman"

Setting aside the electoral college significantly compliates that analysis,

Somehow you can say the reasons she lost, without counting anything.

Because you just know it's true.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 06:25 PM | Reply

"The pattern is populism wins, promising the corporate status quo loses."

Which is why I sais it has nothing to do with banks and bribes, since the winners and losers both rely on them. So all your talk of banks and bribes is a red herring, but for some reason you're still saying it's the reason.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 06:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I want to expound on #89....That attitudes have gotten a lot better, it still doesn't make this any less true:

For plenty of people, her gender alone was in fact a dealbreaker.
#71 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Dude, you totally missed your chance to say "Let's take a moment to pat ourselves on the back for all the progress we've made when it comes to sexism!"

This deviation from your standard script on race tends to bolster my belief that America is more sexist than racist. As does the fact that we had a black President before a woman President.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-03-06 06:32 PM | Reply

Which is why I sais it has nothing to do with banks and bribes, since the winners and losers both rely on them. So all your talk of banks and bribes is a red herring, but for some reason you're still saying it's the reason.

#75 | Posted by snoofy

It's directly related. If the country knows youre funded by bankers and bribes, they know youre not a populist. Trump tricked these people in to thinking he couldnt be bribed therefore he would serve the voters and it worked.
Someone like warren or sanders could make the same case only they wouldnt even have to lie about it.

#77 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 06:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"So you can't say that's the reason she lost unless you can prove that she lost more votes by being a woman than she gained by being a woman"

Setting aside the electoral college significantly compliates that analysis,

Somehow you can say the reasons she lost, without counting anything.

Because you just know it's true.

#74 | Posted by snoofy

The electoral college has nothing to do with it. It's just voters. She LOST some voters by being a woman, and she GAINED some voters by being a woman. So to say that's why she lost the election is horsecrap. She lost the election because she told populists to be realistic, hid her wall street speeches, and had a 20 year record of horrible judgement and influence peddling.

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 06:49 PM | Reply

- she took bribe money from bankers

Repeating a lie ad nauseum doesn't make it true, it just makes your broad brush look ever more stupid and cynical.

In your scenario, Bernie was bribed by gun owners in his state to vote against progressive gun legislation to get their votes.

And he was bribed by the MIC to build F-35s in his state if he wanted jobs, which equal votes.

Your hypocrisy, and your lies, are worse that Hillary's any day.

#79 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 09:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In your scenario, Bernie was bribed by gun owners in his state to vote against progressive gun legislation to get their votes.

And he was bribed by the MIC to build F-35s in his state if he wanted jobs, which equal votes.

Your hypocrisy, and your lies, are worse that Hillary's any day.

#79 | Posted by Corky

You're arguing that his votes to serve his constituents are the same as hillary's bribes from donors.

I can smell your desperation through the internet.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 09:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I admire a woman that can become one of top 5 richest career public servant in america.

#81 | Posted by mutant at 2019-03-06 09:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

His hypocrisy is the same as you accuse Clinton of: he sold out to bad gun laws and the MIC for votes, not money, power, not cash.

Your hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. Or maybe it's just stupidity and you really don't understand the difference.

Clinton never voted in the Sen any differently than the Dem caucus on bank issues, so your broad-brush bribe lie is just that, a lie.

Bernie sold out to keep his office, Clinton did not.

#82 | Posted by Corky at 2019-03-06 09:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

His hypocrisy is the same as you accuse Clinton of: he sold out to bad gun laws and the MIC for votes, not money, power, not cash.

#82 | Posted by Corky

Doing what your voters want isn't SELLING OUT stupid, it's representing your constituents.

Doing what your DONORS want INSTEAD of what your voters want is selling out.

And when you have as many big donors as hillary did, you have to sell out a lot.

Sanders' donors are average americans. Hillary's were evil corporations and bankers. If each politician does what their donors command, what would be the result? Sanders would do what average americans want, and hillary would do what goldman sachs and pfizer want.

#83 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-06 09:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Doing what your voters want isn't SELLING OUT stupid, it's representing your constituents.
Doing what your DONORS want INSTEAD of what your voters want is selling out. "

As senator of NY Wall street bankers were both her constituents and her donors. Ever been to VT? It's a beautiful state but not exactly a hotspot for big banks and global commerce.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-06 11:57 PM | Reply

#84 Gal,

What Speaks doesn't seem to understand is that some prominent pols from both parties were more than complicit in the scandal. In order to prosecute the "corrupt bankers" the likes of Barney Frank and Kit Bond would have been dragged in.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-03-07 12:06 AM | Reply

With an estimated 19.54 million residents in 2018, it is the fourth most populous state. With an estimated population of 8.62 million in 2017, New York City is the most populous city in the United States and the premier gateway for legal immigration to the United States. The New York metropolitan area is one of the most populous in the world. New York City is a global city, home to the United Nations Headquarters and has been described as the cultural, financial and media capital of the world, as well as the world's most economically powerful city.
en.wikipedia.org

Vermont is the second-smallest by population and the sixth-smallest by area of the 50 U.S. states. The state capital is Montpelier, the least populous state capital in the United States. The most populous city, Burlington, is the least populous city to be the most populous city in a state. As of 2015, Vermont was the leading producer of maple syrup in the United States. It was ranked as the safest state in the country in 2016.

Vermont's economic activity of $26 billion in 2010 caused it to rank 34th in gross state product. It has been ranked 42nd as a state in which to do business.
en.wikipedia.org

Like I said, VT is a beautiful state and I get why Bernie moved there from NY.

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-03-07 12:10 AM | Reply

Then if you betray the populist voters they'll turn their backs on you.

#72 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-03-06 06:16 PM | REPLY

Obama did it, got re-elected. 332 - 206.

#87 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-03-07 09:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie sold out to keep his office, Clinton did not.

#82 | Posted by Corky

She financed the DNC and laundered state contributions to the tune of $70 million. When Wasserman Schulz got forced out of the DNC Hillary gave her shelter immediately.

And so on.

We have known all of this for a couple years know Corky. Clinton sold out everything and everybody in plain sight, but you want to tell us "what happened." Great to check in here on the DR two and a half years after her devastating loss and see you are still stuck in her muck.

Isn't it about time you pull up your pantsuit from around your ankles?

#88 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-07 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Isn't it about time you pull up your pantsuit from around your ankles?

probably...but he's not going to.

#89 | Posted by eberly at 2019-03-07 12:39 PM | Reply

What Speaks doesn't seem to understand is that some prominent pols from both parties were more than complicit in the scandal. In order to prosecute the "corrupt bankers" the likes of Barney Frank and Kit Bond would have been dragged in.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ

I absolutely understand that. I am not a democrat partisan, I am stauch anti plutocrat corruption partisan. In fact, corrupt dems make me every more angry than corrupt repubs because dems are supposed to be the party of the working class, while repubs are proudly the party of corrupt billionaires.

I want eric holder dragged in front of congress to explain why no one went to jail for the 2008 financial crisis.

#90 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-03-07 02:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#90 Thomas Paine style. I dig that about you.

#91 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-03-07 04:12 PM | Reply

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