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Friday, February 22, 2019

Before the 2016 presidential race, Bernie Sanders exuded some charm as an unapologetic lefty with a Brooklyn accent. But when his campaign gained traction, the authoritarian took over. Unwilling to concede that Democratic primary voters preferred Hillary Clinton to him -- she had amassed nearly 4 million more votes -- he continued to undermine her all the way up to the party convention. Without a doubt, he helped elect Donald Trump.

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Oh boy here you go again with this kind of B.S.

Don't worry BruceBanner will come along and agree with this crap

#1 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-22 04:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hillary is a rotten politician period. That's why she lost to Donald Trunp. As hard as Bernie tried, he couldn't get his supporters to back her.

FTA

"he continued to undermine her all the way up to the party convention. Without a doubt, he helped elect Donald Trump"

WHAT A CROCK OF ----.

#2 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-02-22 07:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--the authoritarian took over.

Oddly enough, they are talking about his campaign, and not his past ;raise of Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega.

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 08:39 AM | Reply

"Hillary is a rotten politician period. That's why she lost to Donald Trunp. As hard as Bernie tried, he couldn't get his supporters to back her. "

Yeah, and Republicans didn't use Interstate Crosscheck and Russians didn't invade our politics. She got 3 million more votes than Trump, can't take that away from her ever. She will be viewed historically as the candidate who had the election stolen from her by the biggest crook who has ever sat in the WH. Calling her a bad candidate and not noticing that Trump was probably the worst nominee in history is sort of ridiculous. He is so divisive that people talk openly about civil war. Worst President in history, he even makes George W. Bush look good in comparison.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-22 09:04 AM | Reply

--Interstate Crosscheck and Russians

Make it a double, bartender.

*drink*

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 09:10 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

She got 3 million more votes than Trump, can't take that away from her ever.

Didnt she win those states where she got the over abundance of votes? The rest of the states, not so much..

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-22 09:27 AM | Reply

"Didnt she win those states where she got the over abundance of votes? "

Yes, the same states where they pay most of the taxes.

#7 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-22 09:32 AM | Reply

Could be a Bernie bro...

this incident at Berkeley today, where a student with a table on Sproul Plaza promoting Turning Point USA was assaulted. Notice that the leftist thug says the Turning Point person is "promoting violence," while he is the only one throwing punches.

www.powerlineblog.com

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 09:36 AM | Reply

Hillary is a rotten politician period.

True ... shes also a horrible SoS which lead to....

Syria, Libyia, Honduras .. the endless trains of immigrants being raped and murdered in their home country and enroute. Not to leave out the enormous amount of weapons left in those countries.

As Danforth points out the states that pay most taxes wanted this sort of leadership.....

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-22 09:37 AM | Reply

"As Danforth points out the states that pay most taxes wanted this sort of leadership....."

Using that logic, people like you wanted to invade Iraq and waste trillions of dollars doing so.

#10 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-22 09:48 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Oh boy here you go again with this kind of B.S.
Don't worry BruceBanner will come along and agree with this crap
#1 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM AT 2019-02-22 04:15 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

The left has to decide if they believe the path forward is Bernie's "destroy the left first, recreate it perfectly in my (Bernie's) image, then save the world by making everyone average"

I just don't believe in that. I'm sorry that you can't accept that.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 09:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

People can poop on Hillary for whatever reason helps then feel better about their own mediocrity, but the fact is that she was pursuing the best policies for the country and she was actually responsive to changing times and the needs of the voters.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 09:55 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#12...
Too bad none of that matters in American politics.

#13 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-02-22 10:51 AM | Reply

#13 or, it matters a lot and is seen in a very negative light.

That's why the belligerent ignorance of Trump is seen in a more favorable way.

People want to believe in the simple answers coming from simple people.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 10:55 AM | Reply

but the fact is that she was pursuing the best policies for the country and she was actually responsive to changing times and the needs of the voters.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

lol

Which is why most of the declared Dems candidates for President are running on Bernie's old platform and not Hillary's

she was running on the 1990's policies Bernie was a breath of fresh air instead of the warn out neo-liberalsm of Hillary and 1990's policies, Bernie offered a way forward and not being stuck in the past neo-liberalism which Hillary offered

#15 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-22 11:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#15 Punchy. Why do you hate Bernie's policies?

Is is just the man himself you love, but not his stolen ideas?

Explain your mental break here, considering their policies were nearly identical.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 11:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It seems to me Bernie is likely to be the Democratic nominee. Why? Because, as he pointed out recently:

JOHN DICKERSON: This time you're running in a field with a lot more Democrats. How has the field changed since the last time you ran--

BERNIE SANDERS: Well, obviously it's a different campaign. Last time it was just Secretary Clinton, and now it will have who knows, ten, 15, 20 candidates.

JOHN DICKERSON: Doesn't that make it harder?

BERNIE SANDERS: In some ways it does. In some ways it makes it easier. When you're running against one person you know you gotta have 51% of the votes. Now who knows what you need, 30, 35%. But bottom line for me is I think-- it is absolutely imperative that Donald Trump-- be defeated, because I think it is unacceptable and un-American, to be frank with you, that we have a president who is a pathological liar. And it gives me no pleasure to say that, but it's BERNIE SANDERS: We have a president who is a racist, who is a sexist, who is a xenophobe, who is doing what no president in our lifetimes has come close to do doing, and that is trying to divide us up. What presidents-- even conservative presidents, liberal presidents, they understand their function is to bring our people together. This guy is trying to divide us up. That has got to end.

www.cbsnews.com

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 11:40 AM | Reply

So, if Bernie holds onto his voters from 2016 and Hillary's voters get split up between the host of other Democratic contenders, it stands to reason Bernie may very well come out on top. Have you seen a lot of Bernie supporters say they aren't going to back him this time? I haven't. I saw this one op-ed recently, but that's about it:

Why Senator Bernie Sanders Lost My Support
www.teenvogue.com

But I've seen a lot more articles like this:

How Bernie Sanders Could Win The 2020 Democratic Nomination
fivethirtyeight.com

Bernie Sanders Is Running -- and America Just Might Be Ready to Elect a Democratic Socialist
www.thenation.com

Bernie Sanders Is the Democratic Front-Runner
Even though many Democrats blame him for Donald Trump's election -- and his rivals think he'll fade
www.theatlantic.com

Bernie Sanders Is Going to Win the Democratic Primary, and It's Going to Be Easy
www.pastemagazine.com

#18 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 11:51 AM | Reply

Personally, I don't think Bernie is going to fade although I'm not so sure America is ready to elect a Democratic Socialist. I think the Democratic party may be, but I don't know about the country as a whole. If there ever was a time a Democratic Socialist could get elected, however, it would be against Donald Trump running for a second term. Barring extensive GOP election shenanigans and Russian interference. Just my 2 cents.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 11:57 AM | Reply

FWIW, I think making Nina Turner a co-chair was a mistake:

Hours after the announcement, the Daily Beast reported that Faiz Shakir, a progressive activist and political director for the American Civil Liberties Union, would manage Sanders' 2020 campaign.

Today the campaign names its four co-chairs: Ben Cohen, the co-founder of Ben & Jerry's and a prominent Vermont progressive activist; U.S. Rep. Ro Khanna of California, who has co-sponsored a number of bills with Sanders in the past year; Nina Turner, the president of Our Revolution and a former Ohio state senator; and San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz.

"To win this election and build a movement to defeat Donald Trump, we must bring together a team prepared to fight for economic, social, racial and environmental justice -- and that's exactly what Nina, Ro, Carmen and Ben have been doing their entire lives," Sanders said in a statement announcing the co-chairs.

Among the chief criticisms of Sanders' 2016 run was his inability to break through with minority voters. Among the four chairs and campaign manager, there are four people of color, including Turner, a black woman, Shakir, a Muslim man, Cruz, a Latino, and Khanna, whose family is of Indian descent.


vtdigger.org

IMO, someone like Ben Jealous would have been a better choice. He is a staunch Bernie supporter, but he conveys Bernie's message without the angry, dismissive tone Turner often uses. Jealous would appeal to the same demographics Turner does but without alienating others demographics, which she has a tendency to turn off. Again, my 2 cents.

#20 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 12:20 PM | Reply

Explain your mental break here, considering their policies were nearly identical.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 11:27 AM | R

How can you say this and yet you despise Bernie Sanders?

I on the other hand know Bernie was for single payer medicare for all and hillary was not.

Bernie was for free college tuition Hillary was not.

Bernie was for making minimum wage $15 Hillary was not and the list goes on

#21 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-22 12:33 PM | Reply

So, I finally got around to reading the article:

Dismissing the will of the people is a Bernie specialty. No one can forget the Nevada Democratic state convention, held after Clinton had won the Nevada caucuses by a comfortable margin. The "Bernie bros" erupted, shouting the C-word at the women running the event. That included its chairwoman, who also received death threats against her and her grandchild.

Forced by circumstances to issue a statement, Sanders didn't condemn the violence until the third paragraph -- and that was quickly followed by a "but" that, in Trumpian fashion, blamed both sides. (We note that the statement has been removed from the official Sanders campaign website.)


A lot of the online harassment by so-called Bernie Bros was Russian trolls and bots, but obviously some of it wasn't. I hope all Dems can stick to the issues and not resort to name-calling amongst ourselves. Calling women who support Harris, Warren, Klobachur, etc. the C-word will make it more difficult to unite the party behind Bernie should he get the nomination, especially if those people are former HRC supporters.

#22 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 12:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- this kind of B.S.

It appears not many here actually read the article, by one of the most read liberals in the country, or maybe they agree with the facts she pointed out because all I see is comment on her conclusions, which may be valid, we don't know yet, but nothing asserting that she has her facts wrong.

However, it would appear that she is nowhere close to being alone in her assessment:

www.drudge.com

It appears that a lot of people would rather be live pragmatists than dead purists.

Oh, and given that poll in the link, where do you think B. H. Obama would place were he able to run?

I imagine he would have all of Michelle and Joe's votes, and some of the others.

Because he's solid enough, he's left enough, and doggone it, people like him.

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 12:42 PM | Reply

"She got 3 million more votes than Trump, can't take that away from her ever."
Didnt she win those states where she got the over abundance of votes? The rest of the states, not so much..

#6 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Closed primaries. Bernie couldn't even appear in most primaries. Corky puts the blinders on for that one.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-22 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Explain your mental break here, considering their policies were nearly identical.

#16 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Hahahahaha

Her policies certainly became opportunistically left all of the sudden.

#25 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-22 12:44 PM | Reply

She certainly flip-flopped on TPP, the "gold standard," because of Sanders.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 12:46 PM | Reply

#25 not true.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 12:48 PM | Reply

#25 not true.
#27 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

You're right. I should have said "moved opportunistically left".

They didn't go far enough to become left.

#28 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-22 12:50 PM | Reply

How can you say this and yet you despise Bernie Sanders?
I on the other hand know Bernie was for single payer medicare for all and hillary was not.
Bernie was for free college tuition Hillary was not.
Bernie was for making minimum wage $15 Hillary was not and the list goes on

#21 | POSTED BY PUNCHYPOSSUM AT 2019-02-22 12:33 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Because I don't think he's sincere. He only destroys the left.

I really don't think it's constructive to replay the 2016 presidential race. My point is to evaluate the current crop of candidates. To that end, I don't believe he was really a unique candidate.

#29 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 12:51 PM | Reply

Because I don't think he's sincere. He only destroys the left.
#29 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

That's some tinfoil hat-level conspiracy.

"I really don't think it's constructive to replay the 2016 presidential race."

You say that, but we know you don't mean it, Bruce. Because you refuse to objectively consider mistakes made by Clinton and the DNC in the 2016 election, suggesting you very much wish to repeat that race.

#30 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-22 01:05 PM | Reply

- Hillary was not.

Hillary was, just not in your face my way or the highway about it; proposing steps in those directions that might actually become law rather than being DOA in Congress.

btw... here's a good article on how Beto might win.

Never discount superior organization and charisma.

www.politico.com

#31 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 01:11 PM | Reply

#31 Corky, I think Bernie is going to benefit from a large 2020 Dem field in the same way Trump benefited from a large GOP field in 2016. The winner won't have to get a majority of votes, just the most votes.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I wouldn't be surprised, Gal, nor disappointed if his national numbers among all voters say he has a good chance at winning.

Right now though, given the numbers in the link at 23, he's not dominating the field at all.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 01:32 PM | Reply

Bernie is not representing the Deep State. He will not be your guy. "They" won't allow Trump v Bernie.

#34 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-02-22 01:40 PM | Reply

"That's some tinfoil hat-level conspiracy."

It's a fact.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 01:57 PM | Reply

How is Bernie planning on getting around the new DNC rule that requires that a "presidential candidate running for the Democratic nomination must be a member of the party, accept the Democratic nomination and run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party in good standing"?

#36 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 02:02 PM | Reply

The Identity-Politics Left Now Despises Bernie Sanders

www.nationalreview.com

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 02:10 PM | Reply

#36 why does he have to? he says he wants to be the nominee and his army of flying monkeys do the rest to destroy the party if he doesn't get what he wants.

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 02:11 PM | Reply

#37 you have such a lazy mind. it's very sad. it's triggering the part of my brain that finds fat people gross.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 02:12 PM | Reply

#36 Bernie Sanders to sign pledge affirming he will run as a Democrat

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) plans to sign a pledge saying he will run as a Democrat in his bid for the presidency in 2020 and to govern as a Democrat if elected, campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN.

thehill.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 02:15 PM | Reply

#36

"Why Democrats let Sanders, an independent, drop by when he needs their services while they do all the hard work has long been a mystery. While seeking re-election to the Senate last year, Sanders briefly joined the party to run for the nomination as a Democrat. (That way, he could keep a real Democrat off the November ballot.)

Once he won, he refused the nomination, allegedly to preserve his independence. Independence from what, a differing opinion?"

from the article

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 02:16 PM | Reply

#37

rofl! Dulli now down to quoting Lucianne's little bow-tied boy Jonah Goldberg about Dems.

Funny/sad.

#42 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 02:19 PM | Reply

#40

That is what he pledged to do in 2016, but is meaningless given his subsequent actions, hence the new rule. IMO,

The new DNC rule is clear, he has to be "a member of the party...in good standing." If he pulls the same stunt that Corky references in #41 then I think the DNC would be within its rights to refuse him the nomination.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 02:25 PM | Reply

#43 |

I don't disagree, which is why I posted the quote.

- to govern as a Democrat if elected

What does that even mean? It could only cost him Purist votes, lol.

Dems, though, are in the position of not wanting an independent run to re-elect Trump.

But then, if he couldn't run as a Dem, would he be ego-driven enough to run as an indie?

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 02:33 PM | Reply

Then there are these quotes, from the article that Nulli linked (Corky's entirely predictable STS notwithstanding):

In an interview with Vermont Public Radio (of course), Sanders was asked how he would compete in such a diverse field.

"We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age," Sanders replied. "I mean, I think we have got to try to move us toward a non-discriminatory society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for."

The reaction from many quarters of the liberal establishment was astonishing. The LGBT magazine Out ran the sardonic headline, "Bernie Sanders Bravely Asks Us to Consider a Straight President." Neera Tanden, the head of the Center for American Progress, sneered, "At a time where folks feel under attack because of who they are, saying race or gender or sexual orientation or identity doesn't matter is not off, it's simply wrong."

Stephen Colbert, a middle-aged white guy whose TV show is a mandatory stop in the Democratic primaries, did a Sanders impersonation, saying, "Yes, like Dr. King, I have a dream -- a dream where this diverse nation can come together and be led by an old white guy."

Suddenly, his political radicalism is eclipsed entirely by his whiteness and maleness.


I think Bernie is going to have to fight the "old, pale and male" label throughout the primaries, all the while trying to maintain his progressive bona fides. Couple that with attacks that he is not a true member of the Democratic Party and he is going to have a difficult fight on his hands.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 02:34 PM | Reply

But then, if he couldn't run as a Dem, would he be ego-driven enough to run as an indie?

#44 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2019-02-22 02:33 PM

If he gets enough votes for the nomination and the DNC pulls the rug out from under him, I think that answer is a resounding yes.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 02:35 PM | Reply

"The new DNC rule is clear, he has to be "a member of the party...in good standing." If he pulls the same stunt that Corky references in #41 then I think the DNC would be within its rights to refuse him the nomination."

From The Hill article I posted:

Under new Democratic National Committee rules, Democratic candidates seeking the party's nomination will be asked to pledge in writing that they will run and govern as a member of the Democratic Party.

A DNC official told CNN that, in the coming days, the DNC will present the candidates that have already announced their candidacy or formed an exploratory committee with a form that they will be asked to return, affirming their intention to run as Democrats.

"As any additional candidates enter the race, they will be provided with the same information and will be required to return the form in the same time frame," the official added.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 02:38 PM | Reply

#46

Prolly so. He didn't mind dicking Clinton all the way to the Convention. (pls forgive unintentional visual)

He didn't mind pushing her far enough left that Rust Belt voters said that made them "uncomfortable".

But hey, I'm tired today. Bobby Kraft introduced me to some Puerto Rican girls last night that were just "dying to meet you!".

And I only posted this thread so Speaks could save some money of coffee this morning... he won't need it.

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 02:40 PM | Reply

Florida not feeling the bern

"Shalala (D) Slams Sanders for Having Soft Spot for Venezuelan Dictator: ‘Maduro is a Dictator and Must Go'

#49 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 02:41 PM | Reply

OTOH:

"We have got to look at candidates, you know, not by the color of their skin, not by their sexual orientation or their gender and not by their age," Sanders replied. "I mean, I think we have got to try to move us toward a non-discriminatory society which looks at people based on their abilities, based on what they stand for."

OTOH:

"To win this election and build a movement to defeat Donald Trump, we must bring together a team prepared to fight for economic, social, racial and environmental justice -- and that's exactly what Nina, Ro, Carmen and Ben have been doing their entire lives," Sanders said in a statement announcing the co-chairs.

Among the chief criticisms of Sanders' 2016 run was his inability to break through with minority voters. Among the four chairs and campaign manager, there are four people of color, including Turner, a black woman, Shakir, a Muslim man, Cruz, a Latino, and Khanna, whose family is of Indian descent.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 02:43 PM | Reply

He is not going to be the nominee': Dems slam Sanders over Maduro stance

The just-announced 2020 contender declines to say whether the socialist Venezuelan dictator should go.

www.politico.com

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 02:43 PM | Reply

#49

Yeah, but what does Jonah Goldberg think?

Surely you have your talking points by now.

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 02:48 PM | Reply

#50

Like I said, he needs to fight against the "pale and male" label, and that is why he has formed the "Coalition of the Woke" to be his campaign co-chairs.

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 02:50 PM | Reply

"Rabin-Havt also noted Sanders has condemned Maduro."

Bernie Sanders @SenSanders

The Maduro government has waged a violent crackdown on Venezuelan civil society, violated the constitution by dissolving the National Assembly and was re-elected last year in an election many observers said was fraudulent. The economy is a disaster and millions are migrating. 1/3

The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. 2/3

But we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups -- as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil & the DR. The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again. 3/3

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Can Sanders win in Florida--primary or general, given his past flattering comments about Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega?

#55 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 02:57 PM | Reply

Trying to capture some of the Hispanic vote in FL is probably why he hired San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz as one of his co-chairs.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 03:01 PM | Reply

#56

Most Puerto Ricans that I know in Florida and NYC think that Mayor Cruz is borderline special needs, but I know that she is a darling of the Left for standing up to Trump.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 03:07 PM | Reply

#57 If true, then perhaps Bernie made a mistake hiring her.

#58 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 03:09 PM | Reply

#55

LOL, nice spin after Bernie ---- the bed in his Univision interview.

Sanders did not embrace Maduro in his Tuesday interview with Univision's Jorge Ramos, who quickly touched on Guaidó being declared the interim president of Venezuela by the nation's National Assembly following Maduro's questionable election.

But when he was asked whether he recognized Guaidó as the legitimate leader of the country, Sanders answered, "No."

"There are serious questions about the recent election. There are many people who feel it was a fraudulent election," Sanders added.

In a follow-up question, Ramos asked Sanders if he thought Maduro is a dictator who should step down. Sanders refused to say yes or no.

Sanders also said that he believes "the United States has got to work with the international community to make sure that there is a free and fair election in Venezuela."

That comment puzzled Shalala. "I do agree the international comm needs to come together and the U.S. needs to work with the international community," she said. "But that's been happening."

Sanders has long had sympathy for leftist governments. Once a self-described socialist -- he now uses the term "democratic socialist" -- Sanders has spoken favorably in the past about socialist and communist strongmen. Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, Sanders once said, wasn't "perfect" but "totally transformed" the country. And Nicaragua's leftist leader, Daniel Ortega, was "an impressive guy," Sanders argued.

Venezuelans and Nicaraguans tend to vote Democratic once they become U.S. citizens and register to vote in Florida.

But Democratic consultants and community leaders say there's evidence that could change and that the GOP's anti-socialist messaging helped Republicans in 2018 and could help Trump in 2020.

Helena Poleo, a Democrat who's a former journalist from Venezuela and is a Spanish-language commentator, called Sanders comments "disgusting. The Florida Democratic Party needs to denounce this now."

As always, its only about the votes...

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 03:11 PM | Reply

#58

If she can deliver the PR vote, then it was a great move. The Cubans in FL have long voted GOP so I don't think that she will affect their votes one way or the other.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 03:12 PM | Reply

Sanders has long had sympathy for leftist governments. Once a self-described socialist -- he now uses the term "democratic socialist" -- Sanders has spoken favorably in the past about socialist and communist strongmen. Cuban dictator Fidel Castro, Sanders once said, wasn't "perfect" but "totally transformed" the country. And Nicaragua's leftist leader, Daniel Ortega, was "an impressive guy," Sanders argued.

These are things Bernie will have to explain, hopefully during the primary debates.

#61 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-22 03:17 PM | Reply

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) plans to sign a pledge saying he will run as a Democrat in his bid for the presidency in 2020 and to govern as a Democrat if elected, campaign adviser Jeff Weaver told CNN.
thehill.com

#40 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-22 02:15 PM | FLAG:

liar.

#62 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 03:21 PM | Reply

"These are things Bernie will have to explain"

He's 80. We know by now.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 03:21 PM | Reply

#63

I agree that we know his sympathies, what will be interesting is to see how he explains those positions away...

"youthful indiscretions" for 1000, Alec.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-22 03:24 PM | Reply

Can Sanders win in Florida--primary or general, given his past flattering comments about Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega?

#55 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Didn't he also say that he wanted to puke when he listened to JFK talk about the evils of Communism? Didn't he and his wife honeymoon in the USSR?

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-22 04:19 PM | Reply

I think he also said that Pol Pot was just misunderstood.

#66 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-22 04:35 PM | Reply

Come on now, it's not fair to judge Bernie by the worst two minutes of his life!

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-22 04:50 PM | Reply

Does #67 mean that he really defended Pol Pot???!!!

#68 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-22 06:26 PM | Reply

Does sanders even know he lost california?

#69 | Posted by Tor at 2019-02-22 08:00 PM | Reply

I'm so ---- tired of rehashing this. Can. We. Just. Move. On?

#70 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-02-22 09:46 PM | Reply

Corky your darling is a 2 time LOSER. Your qualifications on picking winners is non Existent.

#71 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2019-02-22 09:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--I'm so ---- tired of rehashing this. Can. We. Just. Move. On?

Nope. The Clintonites and Sandernistas are like the Hatfields and McCoys at this point.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-22 09:58 PM | Reply

#71

Um, sounds like you missed the Dem primary... and what was it again that your candidate won, Hoss?

#73 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-22 10:45 PM | Reply

Without a doubt, he helped elect Donald Trump.

Posted by Corky

It seems like everything other than Hillary being the most tone deaf candidate ever is to blame for Donald Trump being elected.

#74 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-22 11:15 PM | Reply

She will be viewed historically as the candidate who had the election stolen from her by the biggest crook who has ever sat in the WH.

She knew the rules of the game but didn't play them right.

What's more likely is she'll be remembered as the candidate who was so horrible she lost the election to Donald Trump by a razor thing ~20K votes.

#75 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-22 11:18 PM | Reply

#75 | POSTED BY JPW

She won't be remembered, but her husband will ...

#76 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-22 11:26 PM | Reply

It seems like everything other than Hillary being the most tone deaf candidate ever is to blame for Donald Trump being elected.

#74 | POSTED BY JPW

i love you JPW, but the Russians are to blame

#77 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-22 11:27 PM | Reply

- the most tone deaf candidate

Possibly except for the guy who lost to her in a 4 million vote landslide from a much more liberal voter population than was the general election.

The idea that the guy who lost that liberal primary vote would have won the much more conservative general election vote is one of the great political myths ever.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-23 12:08 AM | Reply

An entire thread of butthurt with trolls poking and prodding all the way.

What a waste of time.

Why not let the primaries happen and seen what the 15+ candidates have to offer.

A thread dedicated to bashing Bernie only serves to divide the party.

You should all stop.

Because you won't like the results of a second term presidency for Trump.

He'll really fkkk us all.

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-23 12:41 AM | Reply

*...see what the 15+ candidates have to offer.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-23 12:43 AM | Reply

*...see what the 15+ candidates have to offer.

#80 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-23 12:43 AM | Reply (X)Even MORE butthurt

#81 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-23 01:03 AM | Reply

Does #67 mean that he really defended Pol Pot???!!!

#68 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

I hadn't heard that. Chomsky was the big Pol Pot apologist.

I'm so ---- tired of rehashing this. Can. We. Just. Move. On?

#70 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

I hear you. I really do. Here's the thing: it's going to come up in the campaign. If not in the primary it will most definitely be dragged through the mud in the general. The most participatory voting bloc is old - these revelations will resonate with them.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-23 07:12 AM | Reply

Corky your darling is a 2 time LOSER. Your qualifications on picking winners is non Existent.

#71 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2019-02-22 09:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Okay, now apply that logic to everyone.

#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-23 07:49 AM | Reply

Here's the thing: it's going to come up in the campaign.

The only people who want Democrats focusing on 2016 are Republicans and Russian trolls.

#84 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-23 01:17 PM | Reply

#84. Agreed.

#85 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-23 04:38 PM | Reply

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