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Tuesday, February 19, 2019

National security expert Malcolm Nance said on Monday that President Donald Trump's tweets, actions and response to ongoing investigation surrounding him and his 2016 presidential campaign are leading many to question whether he is a traitor. "Rhetorically, the president of the United States cannot go around tweeting about people who are investigating his activities as being treasonous because we may have that as a fact at the end of this," Nance, who formerly served as U.S. Navy senior chief petty officer, said on MSNBC. "The president of the United States may have committed treason."

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"These phrases, ‘taking down an elected president', ‘a bureaucratic coup' -- this is Donald Trump's characterization of what the patriots at the FBI and the Department of justice,who were defending the Constitution of the United States, using their sworn positions to identify a threat to the United States and who were confronted by the fact that we had a candidate for president of the United States, now president of the United States, who may, in fact, have been an asset or an agent of a foreign power," the national security expert said."

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 12:42 AM | Reply


Too far over the tips of the skis. (I have to think of another way of saying, ~are you even half-sane?!?!?!~ )

For now.

Pres Trump was wrong, oh so wrong, for characterizing the comments of those, who read the Constitution for guidance, as being a coup.

But to start tossing the word "treason" into the conversation, well, I think that is humorous, at best.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-19 12:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The former senior chief petty officer should consider the Constitutional definition of treason. As such he needs to identify the "enemy" with which he thinks the Buffoon has given "aid and comfort."

Some of the common myths about treason the senior chief, and many others, adhere to are demystified here, www.washingtonpost.com

#3 | Posted by et_al at 2019-02-19 01:38 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Senior should stick to sigint and adversary specific expertise on the media circuit. This is a claim made out of left field as he doesn't have a connection to the investigation process, so how would he know beyond wild speculation on this matter.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-19 05:48 AM | Reply

Malcom Nance is mischaracterized by being described as a former Senior Chief Petty Officer.

"Malcolm Nance is a counter- terrorism and intelligence consultant for the U.S. government's Special Operations, Homeland Security and Intelligence agencies. He's also a counter-terrorism analyst for NBC News and MSNBC."

politicon.com

Read his bio, he is much more that he was described as in that article. Probably one of the smartest and most knowledgeable voices about things like "treason" available today.

Saying Trump being accused of treason is over the top is over the top. Of course he has, it has been obvious to anyone interested since day one of the Trump administration. You can tell me I'm wrong but most of those who would also believed George W. Bush's reasons for invading and occupying Iraq. Sorry, your judgement just isn't all that dependable.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-19 07:19 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I think we knew Trump may have done treason within seventy-two hours of his election.

#6 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-19 07:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5 | POSTED BY DANNI

Doesn't mean he knows any more than any other retired person depending on the news cycle for info.

#7 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-19 07:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"May have":

"Rhetorically, the president of the United States cannot go around tweeting about people who are investigating his activities as being treasonous because we may have that as a fact at the end of this," Nance, who formerly served as U.S. Navy senior chief petty officer, said on MSNBC. "The president of the United States may have committed treason."

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-19 12:51 PM | Reply

" As such he needs to identify the "enemy" with which he thinks the Buffoon has given "aid and comfort."

#3 | Posted by et_al

The man has often identified this as being Russia.

Don't be going all lawyer on me now.

#9 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-19 12:52 PM | Reply

LOL, another book tour grand pronouncement, he is out promoting his latest book:

The Plot to Destroy Democracy: How Putin and His Spies Are Undermining America and Dismantling the West

Available on Amazon Books now!

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 12:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5 | POSTED BY DANNI
Doesn't mean he knows any more than any other retired person depending on the news cycle for info.
#7 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

So you're saying a retired Doctor doesn't know more about diagnosing an illness than any other retired person looking at the same list of symptoms?

No, that makes perfect sense. Because when you retire, your credentials don't count anymore, right?

By the way, sounds like he is still an active consultant; not retired.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-19 12:55 PM | Reply

--Available on Amazon Books now!

And soon to be on the remainder shelf at Barnes and Nobles alongside Obama and Clinton books.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-19 12:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" As such he needs to identify the "enemy" with which he thinks the Buffoon has given "aid and comfort."

Does cyberwarfare conducted by GRU officers count?:

Mueller's Russia Indictments Show Scale of Putin's Cyberwar

www.newsweek.com

Read Mueller's full indictment against 12 Russian officers for election interference

www.pbs.org

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-19 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nance began working in the civilian intelligence arena through research into the history of the Soviet Union and its spying agency the KGB.[7] He subsequently analyzed Middle East terrorism and sovereign nations with ties to the Russian Federation.[7]

Nance took part in combat operations that occurred after the 1983 Beirut barracks bombings, was peripherally involved with the 1986 United States bombing of Libya, served on USS Wainwright during Operation Praying Mantis and was aboard during the sinking of the Iranian missile boat Joshan, served on USS Tripoli during the Gulf War, and assisted during a Banja Luka, Bosnia air strike.[8]

In 2001, after retiring from the Navy, Nance founded Special Readiness Services International (SRSI), an intelligence support company. On the morning of 9/11, driving to Arlington he witnessed the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon.[1][8] He acted as a first responder at the helipad crash site where he helped organize the rescue and recovery of victims.[1][8] Subsequently, Nance served as an intelligence and security contractor in Iraq, Afghanistan, the UAE and North Africa.[17][18]

Between 2005 and 2007 Nance was a visiting lecturer on counterterrorism in Sydney, Australia at Macquarie University's Centre on Policing, Intelligence and Counter-terrorism (PICT) and at Victoria University of Wellington in Wellington, New Zealand.[19]
Nance now directs a think tank that he founded, the "Terror Asymmetrics Project on Strategy, Tactics and Radical Ideologies", which analyzes counterterrorism.[1][14]"

en.wikipedia.org

He has the background to write a book about Putin undermining the West... and there are a bulk of foreign policy experts who agree with him.

www.washingtonpost.com

www.foreignaffairs.com

www.theguardian.com

Of course it's unsurprising that Trump Trolls would mock the idea.

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 01:01 PM | Reply

I for one hope this is just hyperbole. Were it actually the case, Individual-1's actions and the criminal justice response would fracture this country in a manner almost as bad as the Civil War (or, 'The Great Unpleasantness' to you, South Carolina). The Republican Party would cease to exist, and a significant minority of armed, red-hatted kooks in this country could form into an outlaw, armed militia acting to extract political vengeance on both Democrats and democratic institutions. Think Cliven Bundy, the Posse Comitatus, Proud Boys and more, in your town openly threatening most, attacking Jews and shooting Blacks.

The only good thing would be the Spring line of orange jumpsuits by Ivanka, for Aramark and Red Kap...

#15 | Posted by catdog at 2019-02-19 01:08 PM | Reply

"Does cyberwarfare conducted by GRU officers count?:"

"According to the indictment, the officers worked for a military agency known as 'GRU,' which conspired to hack into computers of those working on the elections with the goal of stealing and releasing documents."

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-19 01:16 PM | Reply

Does cyberwarfare conducted by GRU officers count?

Good question. The term "enemy" has been interpreted by our courts to mean "the subject of a foreign power in a state of open hostility with us."

If what Trump did isn't treason, it's certainly Treason Light.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-19 01:24 PM | Reply

"The bulk of McCabe's book has little to do with Trump.

Much of it focuses on his time working on counterterrorism cases and as the head of an interagency team founded by President Barack Obama to reevaluate the country's torture practices. Perhaps in a nod to the arc of his career, though, it begins and ends with Trump -- McCabe spent his first 10 years at the bureau in New York City, investigating Russian organized crime.

"It has occurred to me on a number of occasions that, you know, Donald Trump and I know some of the same people," he told me."

www.theatlantic.com

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 01:30 PM | Reply

Either

A. A lifelong sleazy con man coordinated with america's enemies in order to gain wealth and power

or

B. A vast secret conspiracy involving many levels of the FBI, CIA, military, the courts, and media is all coordinating to bring down a man who has done nothing wrong, despite his long record of lies and dishonesty, and no one involved in this conspiracy has leaked out anything about it.

If you think B is more likely than A, you are a moron.

#19 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-19 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Since obama received one for doing absolutely nothing, why not? Of course the Nobel Committee is very left leaning so it could never happen.

#20 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-19 01:33 PM | Reply

I'm pretty sure "I don't care. I believe Putin." brings aid and comfort to Putin.

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-19 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

So I guess the technicality as it relates to treason is the framework of "enemy" as it applies to Russia.

Since Russia is not TECHNICALLY our enemy, the behavior and actions on the part of Trump and his campaign do not add up to treason. So the question becomes what do they add up to? If the answer is nothing, that there is a huge issue.

There shouldn't be such a wide birth between capital level crimes and actions deemed entirely inconsequential based on a technicality, even if that technicality is congressional authorization of war, IMO.

#22 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-19 01:41 PM | Reply

Since obama received one for doing absolutely nothing, why not? Of course the Nobel Committee is very left leaning so it could never happen.

#20 | Posted by MSgt

Wrong thread dum dum.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-19 01:45 PM | Reply

Trump is an idiot and every day he finds a way to confirm that fact for those willing to listen. But let's not confuse stupid and wrong with treason. It is often the case that he puts his personal interests above that of the country. I doubt he is even capable of putting himself in someone else's shoes. This is a deep character flaw. It is difficult to imagine greater acts of treason than occurred during Iran/contra time. For that BushI got a much celebrated funeral. He will not be charged with treason based on anything we know so far.

#24 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-19 02:37 PM | Reply

He will not be charged with treason based on anything we know so far.

#24 | Posted by bayviking

He wont be charged with treason because that term is used only in war. We're not technically at war with russia. They're at war with us, attacking us and harming our nation. But our "president" is refusing to defend us or fight back.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-19 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I expect that the news which I first learned of today, that Trump and his administration have been planning to give Saudi Arabia nuclear secrets thereby violating a specific law passed by Congress is going to peel off some of the MAGA supporters. If they stick by Trump after they do something like that then they are even more disturbed than I have suspected.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-19 05:58 PM | Reply

Doesn't mean he knows any more than any other retired person depending on the news cycle for info.

#7 | POSTED BY comrade GONOLES92

You should stop posting, your are only confirming you are an idiot.

Do your research on Malcolm Nance before spouting your ignorance. ...but that would require you to get away from Fox News, Brietbart, Infowars, and other traitorous alt-right propaganda sites.

Thanks but I'll believe someone that knows a lot and is an expert with a ton of experience over some Trumphumping idiot that's an expert on NOTHING, and gets told what to think by the various alt-right propaganda sources I listed above.

Educate yourself Cletus!

Trump/Prison 2020

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-19 06:23 PM | Reply

Speak,

No...it's not "either".

You'd have to be a moron to think there's only 2 scenarios.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-02-19 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You'd have to be a moron to think there's only 2 scenarios.

#28 | Posted by BillJohnson

Not as big of a moron as you'd have to be to still think trump isn't desperately trying to hide something criminal.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-19 07:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Does it really matter if it is "treason" or not? Whether it is technically treason, it is still a High Crime. High Crimes are not defined by the criminal code. They are political crimes: abuse of office, etc., and they can be anything majorities in the House and Senate define them to be.

#30 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2019-02-19 08:48 PM | Reply

So... does this guy have inside access to the investigation? Access to raw, classified data?

No?

Then he is only another retired intel guy giving an opinion based on open source information, available to everyone on the web. Not undermining his impressive past accomplishments, but he doesn't have any way of providing information or analysis to anything highly Newsworthy. His thinktank/consultancy is not read-in on any investigation as he would be under an NDA.

#31 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-19 08:55 PM | Reply

So... does this guy have inside access to the investigation? Access to raw, classified data?

No?

Then he is only another retired intel guy giving an opinion based on open source information, available to everyone on the web. Not undermining his impressive past accomplishments, but he doesn't have any way of providing information or analysis to anything highly Newsworthy. His thinktank/consultancy is not read-in on any investigation as he would be under an NDA.

#31 | POSTED BY comrade GONOLES92

My gawd man you are dense.

You know the saying "when you are in a deep hole and you want out, STOP digging.

Go back to the Infowars and Brietbart comments sections where you belong.

#32 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-20 05:05 AM | Reply

Monson, thanks for clarifying that you have nothing to add to this discussion, and outing yourself as a low-info idiot.

Feel free to go back to DailyKos or Facebook comment thread arguments.

#33 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-20 08:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

National Security Expert: Trump 'May Have Committed Treason'
POSTED BY CORKY

At the same time, we have a former Director of the FBI who attempted a coup on the US Government!

You people are batsh$t crazy!

Are you even paying attention? LOL

#34 | Posted by JordyPete at 2019-02-20 09:35 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Malcom Nance is mischaracterized by being described as a former Senior Chief Petty Officer.

#5 | Posted by danni

Isn't that true?

#35 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-02-20 12:04 PM | Reply

Monson, thanks for clarifying that you have nothing to add to this discussion, and outing yourself as a low-info idiot.

Feel free to go back to DailyKos or Facebook comment thread arguments.

#33 | POSTED BY comrade GONOLES92 AT

You don't like facts because they don't support your anti-American agenda!

I don't do Facebook and have never been to the dailykoz, another swing and a miss by you, but we are all used to that.

At least come up with an original comeback there Einstein.

Now kindly piss off!

#36 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-20 12:08 PM | Reply

So you're saying a retired Doctor doesn't know more about diagnosing an illness than any other retired person looking at the same list of symptoms?

No, that makes perfect sense. Because when you retire, your credentials don't count anymore, right?

By the way, sounds like he is still an active consultant; not retired.

#11 | Posted by Sycophant

So he is a former (retired) Senior Chief Petty Officer. WOW.

#37 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-02-20 12:09 PM | Reply

"According to the indictment, the officers worked for a military agency known as 'GRU,' which conspired to hack into computers of those working on the elections with the goal of stealing and releasing documents."

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Is that anything like using a dem paid for pack of lies to open an investigation into Trump?

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-02-20 12:11 PM | Reply

Good question. The term "enemy" has been interpreted by our courts to mean "the subject of a foreign power in a state of open hostility with us."

If what Trump did isn't treason, it's certainly Treason Light.

#17 | Posted by JOE

And this will all be verified by the mule's report?

#39 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-02-20 12:12 PM | Reply

Not as big of a moron as you'd have to be to still think trump isn't desperately trying to hide something criminal.
#29 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

God I love the Retort ... this place is the best ...

#40 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-20 12:15 PM | Reply

May Have committed Treason?

Funny

#41 | Posted by bat4255 at 2019-02-20 02:25 PM | Reply

So he is a former (retired) Senior Chief Petty Officer. WOW.
#37 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-02-20 12:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:PPPPPFFFFTTTTT

Relatively speaking only 2.5% of enlisted make that rank... so the person does deserve some degree of respect for that accomplishment.

What did you do with your service Snippy?

#42 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-20 05:25 PM | Reply

What did you do with your service Snippy?

#42 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

He lost everything except being "Petty".

#43 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-20 05:42 PM | Reply

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