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Sunday, February 17, 2019

The U.S.-led liberal world order is falling apart, according to the organizers of a gathering of world leaders and defense chiefs in Germany that has met annually since the Cold War. The Munich Security Conference report said the Trump administration displays an "irritating enthusiasm for strongmen across the globe" and "disdain for international institutions and agreements." For much of this past week, the growing rift between the U.S. and its traditional European allies has been on display. German Chancellor Angela Merkel addressed the security conference with several critiques of U.S. foreign policy -- and received a sustained standing ovation. She resisted Pence's calls to withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal, arguing the deal can help countries pressure Iran over issues that concern the U.S.: Iran's ballistic missile development and its role in wars in Syria and Yemen.

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Merkel also criticized the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops from Syria. "Is it a good thing to immediately remove American troops from Syria, or will it not strengthen Russia and Iran's hand?"

President Trump's daughter Ivanka, who was in the audience, did not join the applause that followed.

Ivanka would've had more fun visiting her Chinese sweatshops.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-02-17 04:03 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who among the posters to this site would find it unbelievable that the trumps all had dual citizenship with russia? I wouldn't

#2 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-02-17 07:39 PM | Reply

"U.S. World Order is Falling Apart"

That's what the Trumpers wanted.

#MAGA

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"U.S.-led liberal world order" is an oxymoron. The correct term is "neo-liberal" a philosophy closely affiliated with Milton Friedman, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo....

The US followed the example of European colonialism around the world, exercising military power like no force ever seen before, using 800 foreign military bases and ever more magnificent weapons of mass destruction.

But as long as I don't mention this topic it might get some traction here. A necessary first step to fix this country which will have to wait until Trump and Pence have moved on.

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-17 09:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Merkel also criticized the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops from Syria. "Is it a good thing to immediately remove American troops from Syria, or will it not strengthen Russia and Iran's hand?"

Maybe Merkel can have German troops take their place...

Too soon?

#5 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-17 09:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

This is exactly what the Orange Agent's handlers wanted.

#6 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2019-02-17 09:42 PM | Reply

-Maybe Merkel can have German troops take their place...

Well, the usual leftist Blame America Firsters call her the "leader of the free world." Why not?

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-17 09:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lefty World View:

2008-2016

Germans = former/current Nazis

2016-2020...24

Germans = leaders of the free world!!!!

2020...24- ?

German = Nazis yet again.

#8 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-17 09:47 PM | Reply

Putin is ecstatic than the bloated child rapist is alienating allies of the US.

www.rawstory.com

#9 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-02-17 09:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Lefty World View:
2008-2016
Germans = former/current Nazis
2016-2020...24
Germans = leaders of the free world!!!!"

Pathetic -------- noted.

#10 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 10:02 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

-U.S.-led liberal world order is falling apart

Translation: The corporate-globalist elite is being challenged on multiple fronts from populist movements: Brexit, the Giles Jaunes, eastern and southern europe, etc. Macron and Merkel don't have a fellow traveler like Obama or Clinton in the Whitehouse to help their transnational, anti-national sovereignty agenda.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-17 10:02 PM | Reply

The corporate-globalist elite is being challenged on multiple fronts from populist movements

Those are all extreme right movements.

And you wonder why people call you a nazi coddler.

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-18 12:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Was a time the US bringing troops home would be considered a good thing. How about we close some bases in Germany and next time let the Russians have it. We saved them from Hitler and Stalin and they've hated us for it ever since.

#13 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-18 07:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is Putin's goal in using Trump to destroy western alliances.

#14 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-02-18 10:57 AM | Reply

I spent some time in Germany. They hate us, they've always hated us. They hate us for liberating them from Hitler and then they hated us for keeping Stalin out. They burn for all I care.

#15 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-18 10:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is no alliance with Germany. We were there to keep the Soviets out and keep a check on their racist superiority fantasy that causes them to bust out of their borders every generation in an attempt to rule the rest of Europe.

#16 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-18 11:03 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Munich Security Conference Organizers: U.S. World Order is Falling Apart

DUH. That was putin's whole goal in electing trump. Want to bring a nation down? Install a moron in charge of it.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 11:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Translation: The corporate-globalist elite is being challenged on multiple fronts from populist movements: Brexit, the Giles Jaunes, eastern and southern europe, etc. Macron and Merkel don't have a fellow traveler like Obama or Clinton in the Whitehouse to help their transnational, anti-national sovereignty agenda.

#11 | Posted by nullifidian

Thanks for listing all the "populist" movements that putin is funding behind the scenes. Tells us a lot about you, comrade.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 11:09 AM | Reply

"Translation: The corporate-globalist elite is being challenged on multiple fronts from populist movements: Brexit, the Giles Jaunes, eastern and southern europe, etc. Macron and Merkel don't have a fellow traveler like Obama or Clinton in the Whitehouse to help their transnational, anti-national sovereignty agenda."

Honda announced the closing of a factory in G.B. just today. Thanks BREXIT! Putin is smiling.

#19 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-18 11:29 AM | Reply

Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 11:30 AM | Reply

"There is no alliance with Germany."

You need to go buy a history book and learn to read it. What the hell do you think NATO is dummy?

#21 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-18 11:30 AM | Reply

"Munich Security Conference Organizers: U.S. World Order is Falling Apart"

Because we have a traitor in the WH.

#22 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-18 11:31 AM | Reply

#16

That is exactly correct, as Lord Ismay, the first Secretary General of NATO famously said: "NATO was created to keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down."

#23 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 11:31 AM | Reply

"Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist."

Who had welcomed an alliance with France.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-18 11:31 AM | Reply

Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist.
#20 | Posted by nullifidian a

George Washington was born on the 22nd, dumbass.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-18 11:37 AM | Reply

It's celebrated today, President's Day, dumbass.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 11:48 AM | Reply

You mean to tell me that a US President finally comes along and starts calling out the U.N. and other organizations and countries for taking advantage of America's foreign program, decides to start making changes that are fair for America which remove some of the historic decisions that allow them to take advantage of the U.S., and now they aren't happy about it?

Does ANYONE here actually think there would be a different response? They even prove their ridiculous attempts at leashing America by discussing how they disapprove of America leaving Syria. If you can't understand how their actions to keep us engaged in wars that THEY didn't want to participate in (and some openly blasted us for) isn't part of the bigger problem the U.S. has with the U.N., then there is no hope for you to understand why Trump's actions are necessary and you are most likely just a non-objective partisan hater. Sure, it sucks Trump had to be the one to get us here and we would have been better off having someone with tact and better negotiating skills, but his lack of those soft skills don't make his actions any less necessary.

#27 | Posted by humtake at 2019-02-18 11:50 AM | Reply

What is Nationalism? Its History And What It Means in 2018

www.thestreet.com

Dulli is just another Trumpian New America Firster.

He's a big fan of Charles Lindbergh.

'America First': From Charles Lindbergh To President Trump

www.npr.org

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 11:51 AM | Reply

Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian

What do you think GW would have thought about an enemy nation installing a puppet in the white house?

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist.

#20 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

AHAHAHAHAHA! George Washington, a nationalist? You moron. He literally fought for independence against his nation. Jesus Christ; you conservative idiots would have us paying stamp taxes to King George again if you could.

#30 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 12:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What do you think GW would have thought about an enemy nation installing a puppet in the white house?" You're an Obama birther now?

#31 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-18 12:32 PM | Reply

"What do you think GW would have thought about an enemy nation installing a puppet in the white house?" You're an Obama birther now?

#31 | Posted by visitor_

What enemy nation installed obama as president and what did he do to benefit that nation at america's expense?

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 01:08 PM | Reply

Hawaii. Some are still sore at being a territory and becoming a state so 58 years ago the Hawaiian independence movement hatched a plan we got Obama.

#33 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-18 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hawaii. Some are still sore at being a territory and becoming a state so 58 years ago the Hawaiian independence movement hatched a plan we got Obama.

#33 | Posted by visitor_

Yeah remember when hawaii was so full of traitors that they started the nation's dealiest war, and which they lost, but they still fly anti american flags as part of "celebrating history?" That was hawaii right?

#34 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 01:46 PM | Reply

Happy birthday, George Washington, nationalist.
#20 | Posted by nullifidian a

George Washington was born on the 22nd, dumbass.

#25 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-18 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's celebrated today, President's Day, dumbass.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 11:48 AM

Be sure to get out to WalMart for all your appliance and electronic needs on this Glorious President's Day 2019! Hooray for the New American Hegemony!

#35 | Posted by john47 at 2019-02-18 03:46 PM | Reply

If anything. George Washington was a rebel and a revolutionary.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 04:12 PM | Reply

He literally fought for independence against a foreign power for his nation.

Suggested edits for historical accuracy.

Learn a little history Vizzindy:

George Washington, Nationalist

The University of Virginia Press

George Washington, Nationalist

Edward J. Larson

152 pp. · 5 × 8 · ISBN 9780813938981 · $19.95 · Jul 2016

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He literally fought for independence against a foreign power for his nation.

His nation? "The Colonies" were a nation?

Here we go again. With DRtardOCenter trying to redefine history.

George Washington, Nationalist

If you had even spent 30 seconds reading the summary you'd realize the book is about what George Washington did after the revolutionary war in order to create our nation.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 2

Clown b-slaps mouthpiece, vid at 11.

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 05:00 PM | Reply

He literally fought for independence against a foreign power for his nation.
#37 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Your objective retardation is surpassed by no one.

#40 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 05:08 PM | Reply

--Clown b-slaps mouthpiece, vid at 11.

The conspiracy-quack open-borders anarchist acid-head never ------------ anyone in his life other than himself.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 05:12 PM | Reply

--If you had even spent 30 seconds reading the summary you'd realize the book is about what George Washington did after the revolutionary war in order to create our nation

That was a nationalist war for independence, not an internal social revolution like the French Revolution, dummy.

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 05:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41

B-slaps self daily with citations to rwing spin links.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 05:14 PM | Reply

If anything. George Washington was a rebel and a revolutionary.

#36 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

That doesn't fight Ted's precious narrative that nationalism = good and liberalism = bad.

#44 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 05:16 PM | Reply

Your objective retardation is surpassed by no one.

#40 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-18 05:08 PM

Guess what the definition of a "Nationalist" is, Vizzindy...

na·tion·al·ist
/ˈnaSH(ə)nələst

noun
1.
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Fighting for independence from the British Empire and then creating a nation is the very definition of nationalist.

what George Washington did after the revolutionary war in order to create our nation

I did more than that, I actually read the book, but that is what made him...wait for it...a nationalist: He created a country, after expelling a foreign power, to the exclusion and detriment of that foreign power.

Calling you guys ------- isn't fair to -------.

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 05:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#45 | POSTED BY TED CRUUUUZ!!!!

"a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests"

Hmmm. George Washington, from the English Colony of Virginia...

Yeah that guy definitely "strongly identifies with [England] and vigorously supports its interests". Yeah. That's the George Washington we all remember. The one that saved the wretched colonies from leftist independence and vigorously supported the interests of King George and his imperialist nation! How could I have forgotten?

#46 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 05:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

-How could I have forgotten?

#46 | Posted by IndianaJones

Junior High-school history.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty"

--Angela Merkel

That's the philosophy of the corporate-globalists, and the Left, in a nutshell, and what is being resisted by populist movements like Brexit.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 06:07 PM | Reply

#47

It's always fun to watch Vizzindy contort to try to rationalize his idiocy.

Let's try it this way: Who was called "the father of our country?"

Hint: "our" does not mean Great Britain.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 06:12 PM | Reply

That's the philosophy of the corporate-globalists, and the Left, in a nutshell, and what is being resisted by populist movements like Brexit.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian

You mean russian intelligence ops disguised as populist movements. Putin's military is weak, so he uses their intelligence services to push their enemies toward self destruction. In the UK he pushed them towards brexit, in the USA he pushed them towards trump.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

George Washington, from the English Colony of Virginia...

I think it is hilarious that on President's Day the Usual Idiots on the DR Left are twisting themselves into knots to argue that George Washington, who lead the Revolutionary Army, was our First President and helped form out present day political system was somehow not an American Nationalist:

"I am an American first and foremost...if we are to be told by a foreign power what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have Independence yet to seek, and have contended hitherto for very little."

-George Washington, January 1775

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 06:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--he pushed them towards brexit,

That's just a corporatist smear from corporatists, your masters and the masters of the Democrat party. Brexit is an attempt to reclaim national sovereignty from the corporatist-global Eurocrats.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 06:27 PM | Reply

--I think it is hilarious that on President's Day the Usual Idiots on the DR Left

It's pretty amazing how ignorant they are, and I look forward to saying "happy birthday, george washington, nationalist" again on the 22nd just to piss them off.

#53 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 06:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Who was called "the father of our country?"
Hint: "our" does not mean Great Britain.

#49 | POSTED BY TED CRUUUUUUZ!!!

Do you not understand that time is linear or do you still think the United States is an English colony?

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 06:41 PM | Reply

That's just a corporatist smear from corporatists, your masters and the masters of the Democrat party. Brexit is an attempt to reclaim national sovereignty from the corporatist-global Eurocrats.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian

Brexit was the same thing as trump's cults rise - a racist white reaction to new brown neighbors, inflamed by russian agents and the idiots dumb enough to believe them like you.

#55 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 06:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you get paid in dollars or Euros to shill for transnational corporations?

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 06:48 PM | Reply

Of course Dulli hates transnational corporations. They export American culture, grow our economy, and help and keep us safe by doing so.

He's against anything that brings benefits like that the the United States.

#57 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Do you get paid in dollars or Euros to shill for transnational corporations?

#56 | Posted by nullifidian

Unlike shilling for putin, you don't have to pay people to shill for things that help them.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 06:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- the definition of a "Nationalist" is

#28 is an actual history, not a vague general definition.

#59 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:09 PM | Reply

#54

Got a lot of "F"s, didn't you...

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:09 PM | Reply

Hmmm... rwing authoritarian racist nationalist populists?

Now, where in history I have we seen that before?

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:14 PM | Reply

Actually, #28 is an two page opinion piece from "The Street"...the book linked in #37 is an actual 152 page biography of our First President written by a historian.

Huge difference.

#62 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:16 PM | Reply

#60 | POSTED BY TED CRUZ

When you try to argue that an American Revolutionist was a nationalist the year before the revolution, your jokes about other peoples' intelligence fall quite flat.

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Corporate tool

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 07:17 PM | Reply

As has been pointed out to you, Dimmy, the book is about Washington as President, not as rebel against his nation.

#65 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:19 PM | Reply

#64

Trump whore and America Firster Lindbergh-style.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:20 PM | Reply

--When you try to argue that an American Revolutionist was a nationalist the year before the revolution,

WTF? lol

#67 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When you try to joke that the Father of our Country was this: "That's the George Washington we all remember. The one that saved the wretched colonies from leftist independence and vigorously supported the interests of King George and his imperialist nation! " you just sound retarded.

#68 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Corporate tool

#64 | Posted by nullifidian

FLAG: Russian asset.

#69 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 07:22 PM | Reply

#65

Oh, I must have missed the prequel: George Washington, totally not an American Nationalist before the Revolutionary War

Do you guys even proofread your posts before you hit "Publish Comment"?

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny Dulli acting all anti-corporate when he's supported Trump's SCs and CU which supports corporate personhood.

Trump is one of the biggest corportists ever ever; the only thing he wanted out of trade deals was more profits for international corporatists like himself.

But then, some people are natural born easy marks and buh-lieve a con artist because he says what they want to hear.

#71 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's what happens when one party starts acting an ass.

#72 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-02-18 07:39 PM | Reply

Funny Dulli acting all anti-corporate when he's supported Trump's SCs and CU which supports corporate personhood.

Trump is one of the biggest corportists ever ever; the only thing he wanted out of trade deals was more profits for international corporatists like himself.

But then, some people are natural born easy marks and buh-lieve a con artist because he says what they want to hear.

#71 | Posted by Corky

Nulli is anti corporate when it's pro putin, and pro corporate when it's pro trump.

#73 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

btw, here are some of the interesting reasons why Washington decided that having nationalist views towards his nation of Britain was not for him....

www.mountvernon.org

#74 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:42 PM | Reply

#63 and 65

Here is a quote out of George Washington, Nationalist (I had to type it out of my hard copy):

Many of the Founders gave their first loyalty to their home states. From the very beginning of the Revolution, however, Washington was a nationalist. His country was America, not Virginia, and what America could become through a strong union of the states. Later, as president, he would declare that Americans as "citizens by birth or choice...must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations."

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:43 PM | Reply

#70 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

You dirty loyalists sure love to double down on stupid.

A nationalist supports its nation no matter what.

George Washington led a war against his nation. He was the opposite of a nationalist. He's a patriot.

#76 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 07:44 PM | Reply

Maybe you can raise your grade to a "D" if you realize that he was an "American" Nationalist as opposed to a "British" Nationalist.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:46 PM | Reply

#75 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

So the author of that book is as stupid as you and thinks the United States was independent before it ever made the declaration? Wow. You sure don't think critically, do you? Just hopelessly defend the first asinine thing you read.

There's a reason Washington rejected nationalists and loyalists, and why the revolutionaries called themselves "Patriots". Your ignorance to American history and politics is truly astounding.

#78 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 07:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#77 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I noticed you moved that goalpost a few comments back.

#79 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 07:47 PM | Reply

When he supported independence before the Revolution started, Washington specifically stated "I am an American first and foremost"- note the complete absense of the words "Englishman" or "British".

#80 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:48 PM | Reply

#75 should read 74 and maybe actually learn something.

Washington fought against a strong imperial nationalism in his own country of Britain before there was a United States... and he was never one to want to make the US into a Britain on the world stage... where nationalism performs most obviously.

na·tion·al·ism Dictionary result for nationalism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

He was just the opposite.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:48 PM | Reply

#79

Hardly, even Corky's link supports the fact that he no longer considered himself a British subject.

Keep squirming though, it is highly entertaining to watch you suffer.

#82 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:49 PM | Reply

one's own nation

You keep forgetting that Washington declared independence, foreswearing allegiance to the Crown, effectively a traitor to the British Empire, for whom the penalty was death by hanging.

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:50 PM | Reply

- he no longer considered himself a British subject.

Right, he was no longer a nationalist.... is this thing on?

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

A nationalist during the time of the Colonies of the British Empire, or the British Colonies, would have been fighting for Britain.

A rebel, or revolutionary, would have been fighting against the British.

The United States of America was founded on July 4, 1776. 'Founded' means that it was declared independent from the Kingdom of Great Britain. The British colonies became independent states.
historyplex.com

Nulli and RoC sure do love my D.

Keep asking for more. I've got plenty for the both of you.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 07:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I can't believe you guys are even arguing with me about this: Washington's "country" was America, not Britain, and he fought for America's interests. That is why today is President's Day.

Any arguments to the contrary are just asinine.

#86 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:52 PM | Reply

--He was the opposite of a nationalist. He's a patriot.

Globalists are the opposite of patriots. They want, as Merkel said, for nations to surrender their national sovereignty.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 07:55 PM | Reply

- Washington's "country" was America, not Britain,

Washington's country was Britain, which he thought had become too nationalist... per the definition:

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

He later became an America, but never advocated the kind of nationalism per that definition.

#88 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:55 PM | Reply

#84

Wow, really? So he was stateless and was just fighting for American independence for kicks and giggles? No, he was fighting for America to become a nation...you know, to the exclusion of and detriment of Great Britain.

Your lack of understanding of US History is astounding.

#89 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:55 PM | Reply

--Keep asking for more. I've got plenty for the both of you.

#85 | Posted by ClownShack

You got any acid?

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-18 07:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

he fought for America's interests.

He fought for independence from Britain. America was only an idea.

That is why today is President's Day.

Today is President's Day because Washington's Day and Lincoln's Day were merged into one. It has nothing to do with anything other than car sales.

Any arguments to the contrary are just asinine.
#86 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Everything you've posted on this thread is asinine.

How can you win a case in court when you can't even win an argument online?

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Globalists

Were the British at the time, along with others, and they are the ones Washington quit... and he never advocated that for America.

Donald Trump is the worst kind of globalist... currently covering murder for Saudi Arabia because he's building a golf club in Dubai.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 07:58 PM | Reply

Washington country was fought for American independence from Britain, which he thought had become too nationalist tyrannical

Suggested edits to reflect reality.

#93 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 07:59 PM | Reply

Corky's link supports the fact that he no longer considered himself a British subject.
#82 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

That's exactly why he isn't a nationalist you dolt.

#94 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 07:59 PM | Reply

Globalists are the opposite of patriots. They want, as Merkel said, for nations to surrender their national sovereignty.

#87 | Posted by nullifidian

Putin hates globalists because the global community ostracizes russia.

If he can make all nations just start caring about themselves then he can tear down the alliances preventing russia's resurgence.

So he tells you scare stories about globalists, and socialists, and scary brown migrants. Anything to make you abandon democratic values and isolate america.

#95 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-18 08:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Washington's "country" was America,
#86 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Notice how you put America in quotes.

It's because he was fighting for an idea.

#96 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 08:01 PM | Reply

#92

currently covering murder for Saudi Arabia because he's building a golf club in Dubai

TFF, Corky is just as "good" at Geography as he is in American History.

#97 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:01 PM | Reply

- he was fighting for America to become a nation..

Well, you problem has become obvious now.

Not everyone that lives in a nation and or supports a nation is a "nationalist".

Once again, a nationalist is:

identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Now, you can just close your eyes when you get to the latter part of the definition, but the rest of us are not that blind.

He was not fighting for America to become a nation like Britain.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 08:01 PM | Reply

#97

"Saudi Arabia – United Arab Emirates relations refers to the current and historical relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia maintains an embassy in Abu Dhabi and a consulate in Dubai while the U.A.E. has an embassy in Riyadh and consulate in Jeddah. Both countries are neighbours and as part of the Middle East and Persian Gulf region, share extensive political and cultural ties.

The two countries are also known for being close allies in terms of foreign policy and geopolitical interests,[1] collaborating closely ...."

en.wikipedia.org

You are just full to the brim with stupid on every topic today, aren't you?

You don't have to answer that.

#99 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 08:06 PM | Reply

#94

He was one of the first American Nationalists, actually creating a country "to the exclusion and detriment of Great Britain" ...which is why today is a National Holiday.

But keep twisting to try to fit your Narrative.

#100 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

But keep twisting to try to fit your Narrative.
#100 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Only one trying to do any twisting, is you.

Even Nulli gave up. Now he's looking for acid.

#101 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-18 08:09 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#99

I know you don't want me to answer your retort (after frantically going to Wiki to find out that Dubai isn't in Saudi Arabia) because that's like arguing that Trump supports the Keystone pipeline because he is building a resort in Cancun.

#102 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

He was not fighting for America to become a nation like Britain.

I never said he was...he was fighting for America to become a better nation than Great Britain, but still to the "exclusion and detriment of Great Britain".

#103 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:13 PM | Reply

#102

You know, some people have to try to be obviously obtuse, you otoh seem to come by it naturally.

Really, you should just put your tail between you legs on both topics and run away as per usual; Trump IS a globalist and Washington was the opposite of the full def of a nationalist.

#104 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 08:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

= still to the "exclusion and detriment of Great Britain".

One would hope that you know that you are now just obfuscating and lying. The "exclusion and detriment" of Britain to their colony caused Washington to rebel.

The idea that the definition fits America's rebellion is laughable. Stop while you are behind.

#105 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 08:16 PM | Reply

Once again, a nationalist is:
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

Let's break this down into little bites that your encephalitic little heads can digest, shall we?

identification with one's own nation

Before the Revolution, in January 1775, Washington said "I am an American first and foremost". Check.

and support for its interests

He then says "if we are to be told by a foreign power what we shall do, and what we shall not do, we have Independence yet to seek", then becomes the General of the Continental Army, forces British forces to surrender after an 8 year war, was the Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention and the First President of the United States of America. Check.

especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

The American Colonies were subjects of the British Empire, were the first colonies to ever successfully revolt over their rule and kicked them out of North America. Check.

#106 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You can always tell when Corky is panicking because he will just deflect to "Trump bad" whenever he is cornered.

Good stuff.

#107 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:24 PM | Reply

kicked them out of North America.

Well, we did leave them America's hat, so that wasn't entirely correct.

#108 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:29 PM | Reply

The "exclusion and detriment" of Britain to their colony caused Washington to rebel.

Someone's been bathing in THC oil again if that is what you think I am saying:

Washington rebelled to exclude Britain from it's America colonies, to Britain's detriment.

Did I type that slowly enough for you to understand?

#109 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 08:32 PM | Reply

Ted Cruz logic: "Confederates aren't traitors. They were just nationalists for a country that didn't exist yet!"

So stable. So genius.

#110 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 09:04 PM | Reply

The idea that the definition fits America's rebellion is laughable.

#105 | POSTED BY CORKY

Hey at least (ignoring his socialism delusions) muddying the definition is a change of pace for ted. Usually he's a strawman kind of guy.

#111 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-18 09:06 PM | Reply

Usually he's a strawman kind of guy.

Speaking of strawmen:

"Confederates aren't traitors. They were just nationalists for a country that didn't exist yet!"

Heads up Vizzindy: The British considered Washington, Hamilton, etc. to be traitors, just as the Union considered the Confederates to be traitors.

The Union happened to win, the British, not so much.

#112 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 09:24 PM | Reply

Interestingly enough, herein lies the difference between Washington and Lee:

Washington considered himself to be an American first and a Virginian second.

Lee considered himself to be a Virginian first and an American second.

#113 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-18 09:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Merkel spoke first. Everything she said undermined Pence's speech. Pence closed with a greeting from Trump then paused for applause, but there was only cold silence. Later the White House generated Pence's transcript and added "applaudes", as if that ever happened.

#114 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-18 11:51 PM | Reply

Dear Nulli and Right-O,

Please google "duckspeak." I read all of your comments, and as near as I can understand, you're both arguing about what might be the purpose of the highway's centerline.

#115 | Posted by john47 at 2019-02-19 09:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

RoCheney is so easily out-lawyered that one wonders how he ever survives in a courtroom.

#116 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 12:16 PM | Reply

I love how Dorkus of Naples flees the thread when he is getting destroyed, then pops in last minute before he thinks the thread is coming down hoping to get the last word.

#117 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 12:37 PM | Reply

"The British considered Washington, Hamilton, etc. to be traitors, just as the Union considered the Confederates to be traitors."

Weren't they also slave owners? something else they had in common with the Confederates.

#118 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 12:39 PM | Reply

"- he was fighting for America to become a nation..

Well, you problem has become obvious now.
Not everyone that lives in a nation and or supports a nation is a "nationalist".
Once again, a nationalist is:
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Now, you can just close your eyes when you get to the latter part of the definition, but the rest of us are not that blind.
He was not fighting for America to become a nation like Britain.

Really, you should just put your tail between you legs on both topics and run away as per usual; Trump IS a globalist and Washington was the opposite of the full def of a nationalist."

None of your bloviation has retorted any of that. Washington turned against a nationalist Britain, and was never a nationalist as a leader of this country.

The main part of the definition of a nationalist being, "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.".

#119 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 12:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The British considered Washington, Hamilton, etc. to be traitors, just as the Union considered the Confederates to be traitors.
The Union happened to win, the British, not so much.
#112 | POSTED BY TED CRUZ

Wow you've finally said something correct. Too bad it directly goes against your original, fantastical theory that Washington was a nationalist.

#120 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 12:59 PM | Reply

Once again, Dorkus, no need to repost your drivel, I read and refuted all of it before you fled. Turning to your only "new" statement-

Washington turned against a nationalist Britain, and was never a nationalist as a leader of this country. The main part of the definition of a nationalist being, "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.".

That is all that Washington did, he acted solely in the interests of first the American colonies (and said as much when he resigned his commission in the British Army), then the newly independent America (read a little document called the Declaration of Independence), then fought the British, won the war, was the Presiding Officer of the Constitutional Convention and First President of the United States. None of those acts are in the interest of any country other than the newly formed Confederation of States then the United States. Everything he did was solely for the benefit of the USA, "to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations."

Sorry these pesky facts eviscerate your Narrative.

#121 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:04 PM | Reply

#120

Not at all, it actually blows your imbecilic "Washington could only be a nationalist for Britain" nonsense out of the water.

#122 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:05 PM | Reply

lmao... the deeper you dig, the dumber you look.

You refuted nothing, you just keep being oblivious to the definition of nationalist and repeating yourself ad nauseum.

To have been a nationalist, as defined, Washington would have been a Torry for Britain and/or he would have used his Presidency to "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.", neither of which is true.

#123 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 01:10 PM | Reply

Te estoy venciendo como a las gemelas pelirrojas, dime cuándo quieres que me detenga.

#124 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:12 PM | Reply

#123

Here is a key fact you are ignoring: Washington renounced his British citizenship and became a traitor, declaring "I am an American first and foremost" prior to the Declaration of Independence and the start of the Revolution, which as I point out to Vizzindy, made him a traitor to Britain. He had no allegiance to Britain and in fact renounced it in favor of the newly independent America, to which he was solely aligned.

#125 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:15 PM | Reply

It then follows that it was only possible for Washington to be a nationalist for the only country that he was aligned with...the newly independent America.

#126 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:18 PM | Reply

Here is a key fact you are ignoring:

"I am an American first and foremost" has nada to do with "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.".

He turned on Britian specifically because they fit that definition of nationalism with their actions against the colonies.

#127 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 01:19 PM | Reply

"Washington could only be a nationalist for Britain" nonsense out of the water.

#122 | POSTED BY TED CRUZ

Teddy. He was living in a colony of the nation of England. Therefore he could only be A) Not a nationalist, or B) A British nationalist.

You're objectively a moron for thinking he was a nationalist.

#128 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 01:21 PM | Reply

...it was only possible for Washington to be a nationalist for the only country that he was aligned with...the newly independent America.

#126 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Christ it only took you 126 ------- comments to figure this out. Bravo. A Ted Cruz record low for ironing out your delusions.

#129 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 01:23 PM | Reply

LOL, you both are now backpedalling at an ankle breaking pace. The whole point is that he was one of the first American Nationalists, and you can't refute it.

Don't hurt yourselves.

#130 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 01:41 PM | Reply

- he was one of the first American Nationalists,

Not according to the definition of what is a nationalist.

And it doesn't include a war of rebellion AGAINST NATIONALISM, Gertrude.

Nowhere did Washington act "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." as a national policy, rather he fought against that very idea.

#131 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 01:57 PM | Reply

Nowhere did Washington act "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." as a national policy

How about Britain, did he go to war as head of the Continental Army to exclude them from their former colonies?

Corky is once again demonstrating his felonious imbecility for all to see.

#132 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 02:15 PM | Reply

"And it doesn't include a war of rebellion AGAINST NATIONALISM, Gertrude."

Why do I have to keep repeating the obvious to you?

You are worse than the kid caught with his paw in the cookie jar.

I guess you think others here can't see what you are doing... they can.

#133 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 02:17 PM | Reply

Don't hurt yourselves.

#130 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

We aren't the one's moving goal posts, Mrs "Washington is a nationalist 😭😭😭😭!!!"

#134 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 02:23 PM | Reply

How about a war of rebellion against an imperial power...does that count? Ever read "Common Sense" (probably not, since you have none)? Even Vizzindy's go to source, Wikipedia, disagrees with you 100%:

Fighting broke out in 1775 and the sentiment swung to independence in early 1776, influenced especially by the appeal to American nationalism by Thomas Paine. His pamphlet Common Sense was a runaway best seller in 1776.[5] Congress unanimously issued a Declaration of Independence announcing a new nation had formed, the United States of America. American Patriots won the American Revolutionary War and received generous peace terms from Britain in 1783. The minority of Loyalists (loyal to King George III) could remain or leave, but about 80% remained and became full American citizens.[6] Frequent parades along with new rituals and ceremonies -- and a new flag -- provided popular occasions for expressing a spirit of American nationalism.[7]

The new nation operated under the very weak national government set up by the Articles of Confederation and most Americans put loyalty to their state ahead of loyalty to the nation. Nationalists led by George Washington, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison had Congress call a constitutional convention in 1787. It produced the Constitution for a strong national government which was debated in every state and unanimously adopted. It went into effect in 1789 with Washington as the first President.[8]

Wikipedia: American Nationalism

Now run away to get beaten mercilessly on the BernieBros thread.

#135 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 02:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#135

That is using "nationalism" sans the full definition of, "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." as policy.

na·tion·al·ismDictionary result for nationalism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

www.google.com

That you can't tell the difference is... rather disturbing.

#136 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

interesting exchange.... Minus the trolling and repeated spanking of --------------.

Now...to Corky and/or ROC...is the argument centered on the fact that technically, the United States didn't formally exist and that is the missing ingredient to reference Washington as a Nationalist?

"especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations." It says "especially"...not "exclusive". it doesn't say "all other nations"...just "other nations". It says "or" not "and"

so, can it be that Washington identified with his own nation (USA) and its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interest of England?

#137 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All the founding fathers and activists like Tom Paine, Paul Revere, etc., were nationalists, no matter how much the left-whiners howl at the moon.

#138 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-19 02:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

138

why argue against the term "nationalist"? what's so bad about Washington being called such?

#139 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 02:58 PM | Reply

"All the founding fathers and activists like Tom Paine, Paul Revere, etc., were nationalists."

Not so fast, Nullifidian!

Says right here:
"Samuel Adams. Brewer and Patriot."

#140 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-19 03:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#137 and #138

Exactly, and the fact that Corky keeps only posting the definition that I originally posted in #45 to somehow prove that Washington couldn't have been a nationalist, despite numerous links to other sources by me that call him nothing other than a "nationalist" just underscores (kudos to Nulli for this) his felonious imbecility.

#141 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 03:01 PM | Reply

Now run away to get beat me mercilessly on the BernieBros thread.

#135 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

Your Wikipedia entry is two steps more granular than "Nationalist".

No one is arguing Washington wasn't an American Nationalist. He helped coin the term, which is quite different than what you have argued. You and dulli say he is a nationalist. We want to know why you ignore every aspect of Washington's life in order to make that truly bizarre claim.

#142 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 03:03 PM | Reply

#142

Like I said earlier, keep backpedaling, it is hilarious.

#143 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 03:04 PM | Reply

-No one is arguing Washington wasn't an American Nationalist.

not even corky?

#144 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 03:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They started demonizing the word nationalism since Nov 8, 2016. Nationalists believe in national sovereignty, unlike globalists--Merkel, Macron, Obama, Clinton, etc. Nationalists believe in secure borders, unlike The Party of Open Borders.

#145 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-19 03:06 PM | Reply

Washington country was fought for American independence from Britain, which he thought had become too nationalist tyrannical

Suggested edits to reflect reality.

#93 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

When Washington fought for independence the country now known as America did not exist. He fought for independence from a tyrannical King. He fought to create a country.

Washington was not a Nationalist and If he ever was then it was not until after he was a revolutionary.

And those were very different times. By the by. Apple and Oranges really.

Gotta just love it when fascists try to use our Founding Fathers to justify the xenophobia and racism and isolationist tendencies of Humpy and his minions.

#146 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-19 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No one is arguing Washington wasn't an American Nationalist. He helped coin the term, which is quite different than what you have argued.

#142 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-19 03:03 PM

Hope Vizzindy is wearing ankle braces:

AHAHAHAHAHA! George Washington, a nationalist? You moron. He literally fought for independence against his nation. Jesus Christ; you conservative idiots would have us paying stamp taxes to King George again if you could.

#30 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-18 12:18 PM

When you try to argue that an American Revolutionist was a nationalist the year before the revolution, your jokes about other peoples' intelligence fall quite flat.

#63 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-18 07:16 PM

That's exactly why he isn't a nationalist you dolt.

#94 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-18 07:59 PM

Too bad it directly goes against your original, fantastical theory that Washington was a nationalist.

#120 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-02-19 12:59 PM

This would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.

#147 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gotta just love it when fascists try to use our Founding Fathers to justify the xenophobia and racism and isolationist tendencies of Humpy and his minions.

You guys are the only ones equating the two.

#148 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 03:27 PM | Reply

-fascists try to use our Founding Fathers to justify the xenophobia and racism and isolationist tendencies of Humpy and his minions.

you can make the case that's why this is being argued.

maybe it's an argument that nationalism was necessary for Washington.

It's not an argument for it today.

#149 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 03:30 PM | Reply

They started demonizing the word nationalism since Nov 8, 2016. Nationalists believe in national sovereignty, unlike globalists--Merkel, Macron, Obama, Clinton, etc. Nationalists believe in secure borders, unlike The Party of Open Borders.

#145 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-02-19 03:06 PM | REPLY

Putin thanks you and Trump for all the work you've created for Russia thanks to your nationalism. American farmers on the other hand, are wondering how to pay their bills and what to do with all their crops.

The desperation to turn Washington into Trump is hilarious.

Keep at it DulliOC.

#150 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-19 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This would be funny if it wasn't so damn sad.

#147 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

The funny thing is that 150 comments in you think a revolutionary was a nationalist. And you think pointing out how many times you've been called an idiot for that will help you how?

Please continue. This is absolutely hilarious.

#151 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 04:41 PM | Reply

#151

Everyone is not laughing with you Vizzindy, they are laughing at you.

#152 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#152 | POSTED BY CRYIN' TED CRUZ

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. "They're not laughing at me😭. Washington was a nationalist😢. I'm a real boy😭!"

Close the thread, RCade, this idiot want to keep thinking Washington loved the country he'd later lead a war against. We can't fix Ted's stupid and we shouldn't further waste the bandwidth.

#153 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#153

"this idiot want to keep thinking Washington loved the country he'd later lead a war against."

LMAO, I said nothing of the sort.

"Close the thread, RCade"

Looks like Vizzindy is tired of getting beaten, yet again, like a red-headed stepchild so he is now begging the Drudgelord to close the thread.

I have to admit in 15+ years of Retorting I have never seen anything like that.

Wow.

#154 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 07:25 PM | Reply

"😭" #154 | POSTED BY CYRIN' TED CRUZ AT 2019-02-19 07:25 PM | FLAG: ❄️

#155 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 07:34 PM | Reply

I'm glad you have mastered emojis like some pre-pubescent girl, since you can't even form a cogent sentence at this point.

#156 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 07:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Close the thread?

How big of a huge gaping vagina can you be?

#157 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-19 07:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- demonizing the word nationalism

No, putting it in historical perspective:

www.thestreet.com

And using the full definition, even if some guy at wiki didn't.

.

What's funny is how the supposed professors and supposed lawyers here have such a poor grasp of the English language.... it's almost like it's not their first.

"The Difference Between 'Patriotism' and 'Nationalism'

Let's take a few minutes to go over the respective histories of these two words to see where and when they shared meaning and in what senses they have drifted apart.

Patriotism is the older of the two words, with published written evidence dating back to the middle of the 17th century.

We do not have any evidence of nationalism occurring until just before the 19th century, almost a hundred and fifty years after patriotism.

The two words may have shared a distinct sense in the 19th century, but they appear to have grown apart since. Or rather, it would be more accurate to say that only nationalism has grown apart, since the meaning of patriotism has remained largely unchanged.

There are still obvious areas of overlap: we define patriotism as "love for or devotion to one's country" and nationalism in part as "loyalty and devotion to a nation."

But the definition of nationalism also includes "exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups." This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism."

excerpts, more at the link

www.merriam-webster.com

Washington was a Colonial and an American patriot. What Britain was doing to the colonies is what we could now call the exclusionary aspect of nationalism, which wasn't even a word then, and Washington never practiced that as President.

What RoC and His Dullness have done here is to use half a definition of a word that didn't exist at the time... which was pointed out to them multiple times.

Just because other people use the term synonymously with patriotism in wiki or articles doesn't mean it is.

And the kind of nationalism we see from Trump and his base is the "white nationalism" that merriam-webster also mentions.

Of course, redefining words one doesn't like applied to them is quite Orwellian, and totally unsurprising.

#158 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-19 07:49 PM | Reply

Congrats on finding something other than the dictionary definition that I proved to try to prove your point, Corky, I appreciate your effort to try to move the conversation in a productive manner.

Let's look at what you omitted from your link:

"A somewhat subtler difference between the two words may be found in their modifiers and the ideas to which each is connected. When we examine large bodies of recent text we see that patriotism is more often used in a general sense, often in conjunction with such words as bravery, valor, duty, and devotion. Nationalism, however, tends to find itself modified by specific movements, most frequently of a political bent.

...

So now that we've briefly looked over the history of patriotism and nationalism can we draw any firm conclusions about whether one or the other is pejorative? The answer is: it depends. It seems certain that, at least with nationalism, it may mean different things to different people. Of the six different kinds of X nationalism cited just above, it is likely that most people would find some politically questionable, and others not. Patriotism is rarely used in these contexts.

In U.S. usage nationalism is now perhaps most frequently associated with white nationalism, and has considerably negative connotations."

Of course, redefining words one doesn't like applied to them is quite Orwellian, and totally unsurprising.

The last sentence shows where you will be forever hung up: You can't get past the negative connotation in your mind of the word "nationalism".

That is your prerogative.

#159 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-19 08:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

since you can't even form a cogent sentence at this point.

#156 | POSTED BY 😭 CRYIN' TED CRUZ

Its clear from your deluded posting history that no sentence is cogent to an illiterate like yourself.

How big of a huge gaping vagina can you be?

#157 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I could cry about how Washington was a nationalist so I can sleep at night. I could piss myself when someone calls me republican. I could change my name to Eberly. Its all essentially the same.

#160 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 10:55 PM | Reply

TBH this thread is hilarious. I think I'll archive it so we can remind Ted of his objective retardation in a month when he tries to further distance himself from "WASHINGTON WAS A NATIONALIST😭 😭 😭 !"

#161 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-19 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Was Washington a nationalist? Is that a trick question like, Was Christ a Christian?

#162 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-20 12:33 AM | Reply

- You can't get past the negative connotation in your mind

No, Dimmy, the negative connotation is part of the definition, which I have said all thread and which you have ignored because you said something stupid and kept doubling down on it.

"But the definition of nationalism also includes "exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups." This exclusionary aspect is not shared by patriotism."

If you aren't embarrassed to be Republican by this point, having to use Newspeak to defend your party, you should be.

Dulli the Dunce has been on these threads for months extolling the virtues of, not patriotism, but nationalism in it's full definition, which when combined with his brown xenophobia makes him just another Trumpian white nationalist.

#163 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-20 11:57 AM | Reply

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