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Saturday, February 16, 2019

Amazon hasn't paid any taxes to the US government in the past two years. Actually, Amazon received hundreds of millions of dollars in federal tax credits in 2017 and 2018. That might seem nuts, considering Amazon is the third-most valuable company in the world and earned a record $10 billion last year. But critics of Amazon's tax bill aren't accusing Amazon of doing anything improper. "This is tax avoidance, not tax evasion. There's no indication of any wrongdoing, except on the part of Congress," said Matthew Gardner, senior fellow at the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a liberal think tank.

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"Many companies that lose money pay little or no federal income taxes. For example, General Motors (GM) has paid little federal tax money since emerging from bankruptcy in 2009, despite posting record profits for several years. GM doesn't anticipate having to pay any significant federal tax for years to come.

But Gardner said Amazon's success makes such tax breaks unnecessary.

"It's hard to see a compelling argument that they would have been hamstrung in their ability to create jobs if they had been forced to pay taxes like everyone else does," said Gardner."

Why we can't have nice things.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-16 05:37 PM | Reply

Amazon re-invests in making the company better.

They build in America.

They hire here.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-16 06:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#2

True, but they could do the same thing at least 90 percent as well without being subsidized by taxpayers.

There are competing start-ups and other companies that might have been successful had they not been blown out quite so badly.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-16 09:01 PM | Reply

"Amazon re-invests in making the company better."

Seriously, that could mean anything.

You read like a press release written by Amazon.

Why is that?

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 because I am informed and you are not.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#3 I completely agree.

But

There are companies that are actually bad actors.

Why not look at them?

One only has to look at Snoofy's comment to understand how a zero knowledge idiot is driving the discussion. Next Snoofy will tell me Amazon is running a prostitution ring in the basement of a pizzaria.

#6 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:24 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hey Snoofy. Do ya think the most valuable company in the world actually has investors?

I think you're on to a good conspiracy here.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:28 AM | Reply

Maybe we need to divide us up by those with a prime membership vs those who are truly woke.

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:34 AM | Reply

#4 because I am informed and you are not.

#5 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17

HAHAHA!

Peeing in trash cans, constant surveillance, and asthma attacks on the job: Amazon workers tell us their warehouse horror stories
www.businessinsider.com

Accidents at Amazon: workers left to suffer after warehouse injuries

Guardian investigation reveals numerous cases of Amazon workers being treated in ways that leave them homeless, unable to work or bereft of income after workplace accidents

www.theguardian.com

Inside an Amazon warehouse: "Treating human beings as robots"
www.cbsnews.com

#9 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 01:20 AM | Reply

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2

Yeah, Amazon is great, I hope you spend the rest of your life working at their warehouse you suck up stooge

#10 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 01:24 AM | Reply

Seven people have died on the job in Amazon's warehouses since 2013 -- here's what happened

The report was compiled by National Council for Occupational Safety and Health, a private nonprofit worker advocacy group, which named it as one of their "dirty dozen" companies.

Criteria for inclusion included severity of injuries to workers; exposure to unnecessary and preventable risk; repeat citations by relevant state and federal authorities; and activity by workers to improve their health and
safety conditions," the report reads.

Amazon landed on the list for "a disturbing pattern of preventable deaths," the report says, including seven deaths since 2013. Eleven other companies landed on the list, including Tesla.

"Amazon workers suffer injuries - and sometimes lose their lives - in a work environment with a relentless demand to fill orders and close monitoring of employee actions," the report reads.
www.businessinsider.com

#11 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 01:32 AM | Reply

Drama queen.

Maybe one day you'll work a real job and then you can post things that are relevant.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:36 AM | Reply

You don't have to worry punchy. Those jobs won't exist soon. They will be automated away. You can find something else to cry about.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:38 AM | Reply

The liberal movement is out of ideas. They've forgotten where they came from.

What do you think you're trying to fix and how would you do it?

You have no idea.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Exploiting and killing workers? who cares, posted by BruceBanner

#15 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 02:11 AM | Reply

everyone of your post bruce is you just screeching with no facts

#16 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 02:12 AM | Reply

Amazon's Aggressive Anti-Union Tactics Revealed in Leaked 45-Minute Video

Amazon, the country's second-largest employer, has so far remained immune to any attempts by U.S. workers to form a union. With rumblings of employee organization at Whole Foods -- which Amazon bought for $13.7 billion last year -- a 45-minute union-busting training video produced by the company was sent to Team Leaders of the grocery chain last week, according to sources with knowledge of the store's activities. Recordings of that video, obtained by Gizmodo, provide valuable insight into the company's thinking and tactics.

gizmodo.com

#17 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 02:14 AM | Reply

How Amazon Crushed the Union Movement

Amazon brought in a law firm that specializes in fighting off organized labor
time.com

#18 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 02:19 AM | Reply

What do you think you're trying to fix and how would you do it?

You have no idea.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-0

Why yes workers who have to pee in trash cans because a corporation wont allow bathroom breaks doesn't need changes and FHK those unions!

#19 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-17 02:26 AM | Reply

Time to elect someone with the balls to take on Amazon and either break it up or nationalize it. But not a woman because they have no balls-- it's biology; you can google it or watch pornhub if you need more info.

#20 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2019-02-17 08:18 AM | Reply

I would never support a party that would focus on destroying one of the most promising companies in America.

Amazon brings the world to mom and pop shops that can sell their things through Amazon.

I worked manual labor jobs in factories through high school and university. They are dangerous and they ask you to work hard. I developed a uti from holding my pee while my shift was on. Some of this was my fault for not knowing how to do the job right. My coworkers taught me how to work a real job.

Idiots like punchy and AOC are un-American and will never succeed.

#21 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 11:08 AM | Reply

""By all indications, Amazon appears to be using the tax breaks that Congress has made available," Gardner said.

But he added that in the long-standing environment of federal budget deficits, when a company such as Amazon avoids billions in taxes, that money will ultimately have to come from somewhere. "It could take the form of two billion cut out of infrastructure spending," he said. "Or it could take the form of tax hikes down the road at some level on someone else, probably middle-income families and small businesses."

Somebody's gonna have to pay up.

Sorry Corkster. I didn't see this when I posted mine.

#22 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-02-17 11:29 AM | Reply

This should be a call to revise tax law.

Oh wait, we did.

So suck on it.

#23 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 11:33 AM | Reply

"The liberal movement is out of ideas. They've forgotten where they came from."

Actually you're simply wrong. We know what to fix and we are working towards it against the power of the media which is owned by corporations.

REPEAL TAFT HARTLEY! That's step number 1. Empower unions all over this nation again. With the repeal of Taft Hartley there would be no such thing as a "right to work for nothing" state.

#24 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-17 11:35 AM | Reply

Oh and thanks stupid Republicans! Y'all really are idiots. The 1% toasts champagne and laughs at you at 5:00 p.m. every afternoon.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-17 11:41 AM | Reply

#24 are you sure Danni?

You're the first person to actually say that.

I was thinking the same thing. The real solution is a union.

But look at the comments. Not a single person is recommending we support the ability of the workers to unionize.

The party isn't saying what you're thinking.

#26 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 11:41 AM | Reply

"at 5:00 p.m. every afternoon."

I don't know this reference?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 11:42 AM | Reply

#24 | POSTED BY DANNI

Danni, unions opposed illegal immigration, it cut into their jobs, and wages.

Your tent has contradictions which don't want any part of each other.

Cesar Chavez Used The Term "--------" and "Illegals" to Describe Migrant Workers from Mexico
www.youtube.com

#28 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-17 11:44 AM | Reply

I was thinking the same thing. The real solution is a union.
But look at the comments. Not a single person is recommending we support the ability of the workers to unionize.
The party isn't saying what you're thinking.

People have mentioned unions, but it was only one issue of concern for NYers who objected to the Amazon project:

Jimmy Van Bramer @JimmyVanBramer (NYCCouncil Member for the 26th District in #Queens)

Defeating an anti-union corporation that mistreats workers and assists ICE in terrorizing immigrant communities is a victory. Defeating an unprecedented act of corporate welfare is a triumph that should change the way we do economic development deals in our city & state forever.
#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:11 PM

@#79 ... Union issue, not subsidies uproar, may have soured Amazon on New York ...

Oh yeah, Amazon is most definitely anti-union. Any corporation that wants to exploit its warehouse workers in the manner that Amazon does will be anti-union.
But the Long Island City Amazon location was planned for $150k workers. Not quite warehouse worker union aspirants, eh?

Taking a step back and looking at the larger picture, the skyrocketing rental prices for Long Island City may have had more of an effect upon those who live in the area than the imagined unionization of $150k professionals imported from Manhattan.
#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:19 AM

www.drudge.com

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 11:51 AM | Reply

"Cesar Chavez Used The Term "--------" and "Illegals" to Describe Migrant Workers from Mexico"

So? Now you use such terms? What was ok 50 years ago isn't ok now. He was trying to defend agricultural workers here in the U.S. the best way he knew how. Most of us have grown past that level of thinking. NAFTA wiped out millions of family farms in Mexico, those people had to find a way to earn a living after that. Some factories were built in Mexico but not nearly enough to create jobs for all the displaced farmers. You get cheap veggies because of factory farming, Mexicans got forced off their farms so you can eat cheaply.

#30 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-17 11:55 AM | Reply

"Defeating an unprecedented act of corporate welfare is a triumph that should change the way we do economic development deals in our city & state forever."

But they didn't.

Excuses for their stupidity?

Anyone?

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:44 PM | Reply

Router isn't a show of force.

It's a show of weakness.

What has been done to improve the tax laws/incentives? Nothing. The ignorant AOC crowd doesn't know what laws/incentives they're fighting against.

I'm not a Trump supporter because he's an idiot who does whatever he feels like instead of what is right.

It seems like I'll have to make the same choice for the AOC left.

Anyone who is not a hypocrite should be doing the same.

#32 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:47 PM | Reply

What has been done to improve the working conditions for manual laborers? Nothing. The ignorant AOC crowd doesn't know what unfair working conditions they're fighting against, or how to improve worker safety.

I'm not a Trump supporter because he's an idiot who does whatever he feels like instead of what is right.

It seems like I'll have to make the same choice for the AOC left.

Anyone who is not a hypocrite should be doing the same.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:49 PM | Reply

AOC is dating a tech bro guy who bankrolled her career.

Now she has the balls to say that kind of worker is not good for queens.

Wait, what?

#34 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There is not much time before Nov 2020.

If this is the message, then there isn't going to be a win.

#35 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:50 PM | Reply

So we're not doing anything to help workers.

But we're against companies that hire American workers.

We're against companies that make profit.

That's why you want to be Apple and have as few US employees as possible and hide your profits instead of openly using the existing tax laws.

#36 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 12:55 PM | Reply

"One only has to look at Snoofy's comment to understand how a zero knowledge idiot is driving the discussion. Next Snoofy will tell me Amazon is running a prostitution ring in the basement of a pizzaria.
#6 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Evetything I've said is accurate.

Like when I said Amazon won't find many white collar $150k salary workers in AOC's district where the median income is $50k.

Amazon hires locally. Amazon hires globally too, bringing in top talent from around the world. It won't be different in New York's 11th Congressional district.

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 12:55 PM | Reply

#37 you are wasting words. What is your point? If course there aren't 25000 unemployed 150k workers locally.

DUH

#38 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:00 PM | Reply

"Evetything I've said is accurate."

No. It is nonsense, which is why it's a big time suck.

What kind of idiot thinks Amazon is literally going to find an extra 25000 workers with the most valuable skills just sitting around waiting for AOC to sink their chances of getting a job?

It's the stupidest argument on the D R right now.

But if you won, would you even have a point? They would be bringing in a massive local tax base. Which is good!

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:04 PM | Reply

"AOC is dating a tech bro guy who bankrolled her career.
Now she has the balls to say that kind of worker is not good for queens.
Wait, what?"

Link? From what I've read, it doesn't sound like it:

His bio reads in part, "In the last 6 years, I've helped over 60 startups like yours improve their landing pages, digital marketing, and user experience design. Since 2013, I've focused my consulting efforts on subscription startups, because it's where I've found I can deliver the highest value results for my clients."

Prior to his solo consulting work, Roberts worked as Head of Marketing at HomeBinder in New York City. He graduated from Boston University with a Bachelor of arts in Sociology, then attended Boston University's Questrom School of Business, graduating in 2012.

Roberts, who is from Arizona, moved to New York to be with Ocasio-Cortez, and they lived in a one bedroom apartment in the Parkchester neighborhood of the Bronx until they moved to D.C. for her congressional position.

heavy.com

#40 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What kind of idiot thinks Amazon is literally going to find an extra 25000 workers with the most valuable skills just sitting around waiting for AOC to sink their chances of getting a job?"

Ones who say things like this:

Amazon won't source just from local talent. They'll bring it in from all over.
#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-14 09:20 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 2

WOW WOW! You mean there aren't a few thousand folks who can command 150k salaries just sitting around in Queens, waiting for Amazon to build HQ2?????
Someone get this man to the White House NOW!!!
#140 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER
www.drudge.com

#41 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 01:06 PM | Reply

"They would be bringing in a massive local tax base."

In the other thread I asked for examples of companies plopping down a white collar employment hub in a blue collar district, and how that helped the blues.

You either have that example, or you're engaging in fairy tale economics.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 01:08 PM | Reply

"But if you won, would you even have a point? They would be bringing in a massive local tax base. Which is good!"

My first thoughts were that not backing the Amazon deal was a bad one, for the reason you state. That kind of money would help a lot of small local businesses (delis, pharmacies, coffee shops, etc.). Lamplighter's posts in the thread I linked to above helped me understand the issue better from a local perspective with regard to gentrification. It was a real concern, and I'm still not sure about the pros and cons and if the right side ultimately one the debate. Ultimately, I think the real fault here lies with Comey and DiBlasi for not consulting with local residents. If they had done so, surely something could have been worked out to help folks who only make $50k stay in their neighborhoods while at the same time benefitting with an influx of Amazon workers making $150K.

#43 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 01:12 PM | Reply

one=won

#44 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 01:14 PM | Reply

#40 that guy isn't getting minimum wage for that job.

Now he has a powerful gf politician. He will be a billionaire soon and so will she.

She gave interviews where she told about how he paid for life while she was doing the politics thing.

Politics is for the rich and privileged. And knows this and wants to make sure the folks of her district stay hungry, so her job can be protected.

#45 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

In the other thread I asked for examples of companies plopping down a white collar employment hub in a blue collar district, and how that helped the blues.
You either have that example, or you're engaging in fairy tale economics.

#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-17 01:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Bwa ha ha ha!

You're not a legitimate conversation partner.

Troll troll troll.

#46 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:28 PM | Reply

"Politics is for the rich and privileged. And knows this and wants to make sure the folks of her district stay hungry, so her job can be protected."

How would making sure folks in her district stay hungry protect her job? It seems to me she is more likely to lose it if she goes against her constituents wishes.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41

Snoofy: say something so painfully obvious that it reads like sarcasm

Others: of course the world works like that

Snoofy: I win again.

#48 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:30 PM | Reply

How would making sure folks in her district stay hungry protect her job? It seems to me she is more likely to lose it if she goes against her constituents wishes.

#47 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-17 01:30 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

See Donald Trump and every other populist.

She would rather keep them stupid.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#49 Stupid isn't the same as hungry. A lot of stupid people are rich. See Eric and Don Jr.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 01:33 PM | Reply

How many people here have noticed how Amazon is jacking prices after running everyone else out of business. This strategy worked for Rockefeller until the Feds decided they could not tolerate it anymore. But ownership did not change after that breakup, leaving the door open for monopolistic practices to continue.

#51 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-17 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Lamplighter's posts in the thread I linked to above helped me understand the issue better from a local perspective with regard to gentrification.

Gentrification is code for improvements ...

people that complain about gentrification are really saying is we can't improve this area, it must remain under developed and under utilized, and probably with high crime, and poverty.

#52 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-17 01:45 PM | Reply

#50 can you imagine her enacting her policies?

Just think that through.

Can you imagine her admitting her bf is trying to make the next Amazon and its been paying her bills?

#53 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:48 PM | Reply

Tell me the issue then tell me the solution.

1. Tax incentives. She needs to remove them.

2. Worker protections. She needs to create them.

3. Unionization. She needs to get it going.

She won't try. If she fixed anything, it would end the need for her to complain about it.

What if those workers came and brought all the income tax for her to give to teachers and infrastructure and affordable housing and social programs? It would end her.

#54 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 01:51 PM | Reply

Do you think she can keep attacking Amazon when it's bringing billions into her district? No. She'll have to explain why she didn't establish proper taxation and use the funds for social programs.

#55 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:00 PM | Reply

"Gentrification is code for improvements ...
people that complain about gentrification are really saying is we can't improve this area, it must remain under developed and under utilized, and probably with high crime, and poverty."

Really? Nulli didn't think so yesterday when he posted this in response to a post of mine:

--gentrification. A lot of people in NYC are renters. Folks coming in and making $150,000/year would dry up the rental market and raise the rents so much that the locals currently living there feared they would be driven out of their neighborhoods.

I've seen a lot of that in southern california since the 70s. Formerly funky, artsy beach towns like Huntington Beach, Laguna Beach, Venice Beach, etc., being turned into playgrounds for limousine liberals.
#147 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-16 02:53 PM

ROC didn't think so either apparently as he marked Nulli's post NW.

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:00 PM | Reply

"Can you imagine her admitting her bf is trying to make the next Amazon and its been paying her bills?"

Is that what he's trying to do?

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:03 PM | Reply

Around here the same people whining about white flight are the same people crying about gentrification.

#58 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-02-17 02:10 PM | Reply

Is that what he's trying to do?

#57 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

She's young, with a smoking bod, I'm sure that's not all he's trying to do.
"Tonight, I want to do to you what politicians have been doing to Americans for decades..."

#59 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-02-17 02:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Is that what he's trying to do?

#57 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-17 02:03 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

No. People go into tech to be poor

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:13 PM | Reply

She's young, with a smoking bod, I'm sure that's not all he's trying to do.
"Tonight, I want to do to you what politicians have been doing to Americans for decades..."

#59 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2019-02-17 02:12 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

After this, I'm sure ask the tech companies are going to want to ask him of "he thinks" their relocation is going to be seen favorably. 250k per day?

#61 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:17 PM | Reply

"What if those workers came and brought all the income tax for her to give to teachers and infrastructure and affordable housing and social programs? It would end her."

The land was originally allocated for affordable housing, maybe now it will be again:

Of course, there's nothing stopping the city and state from giving money to Amazon while also funding the subway or schools. But it can't reuse the Long Island City land once it's handed over to the company, ruling out the chance of building something else there, whether the affordable housing originally planned for the site or a commercial property that wouldn't require tax breaks. (This is known to economists as an "opportunity cost," and is decidedly not accounted for in Cuomo's REMI numbers.)

gothamist.com

#62 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:20 PM | Reply

She won't try. If she fixed anything, it would end the need for her to complain about it.

What if those workers came and brought all the income tax for her to give to teachers and infrastructure and affordable housing and social programs? It would end her.

What if she is working with people to do some of the things you think she should:

"Finding better places than Amazon for the state to spend its money has become the focus of Queens State Assemblymember Ron Kim, who is preparing to introduce a bill to eliminate state corporate subsidies and instead spend the same cash on using state condemnation powers to seize and pay off New Yorkers' student loan debt. This would be an economic boon not just for state residents struggling under a debt load, argues Kim, but because allowing them to spend their paychecks locally rather than sending them directly to Navient would provide a huge boost for the local economy."

What if there is a potential downside to Amazon coming:

There are costs to hosting Amazon, too. The potential increased costs to the city and state for improved transit service and additional housing to support Amazon's workers have been widely discussed by now, but there are other costs too, from schooling for new city residents to the potential for lost tax revenue from other retail businesses that may be driven to bankruptcy as the result of Amazon getting a taxpayer-supported leg up. (Cuomo told Lehrer that while he didn't have numbers for the added public service costs required an Amazon headquarters, they would be "nowhere close to what they're paying" in taxes.)

Normally, those costs of new development are supposed to be accommodated by the property taxes and business taxes that flow from the arriving company -- but with $3 billion of those already carved out as tax breaks, New York will have less in the bank to pay its new Amazon-related bills.

gothamist.com

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Take a few billion and improve transit so people can live in a suburb.

She won't see through her green plan

#64 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:29 PM | Reply

"Tell me the issue then tell me the solution.
1. Tax incentives. She needs to remove them.
2. Worker protections. She needs to create them.
3. Unionization. She needs to get it going.
She won't try. If she fixed anything, it would end the need for her to complain about it."

She can't do anything by herself on the federal level (her job's level), let alone on the state and local levels. It's kind of silly that you are pretending she can.

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Welllllll he's prolly gonna use all the money to buy the Nasty-E

#66 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-17 02:35 PM | Reply

In the other thread I asked for examples of companies plopping down a white collar employment hub in a blue collar district, and how that helped the blues.
You either have that example, or you're engaging in fairy tale economics.

Looks like I'll be waiting a loooooong time for BruceBanner to either put up or shut up.

I'm willing to believe BruceBanner.

I'm just not willing to believe him without evidence.

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 02:35 PM | Reply

"There are BENEFITS to hosting Amazon, too. The potential increased costs to the city and state for improved transit service and additional housing to support Amazon's workers have been widely discussed by now, but there are other costs too, from schooling for new city residents to the potential for lost tax revenue from other retail businesses that may be driven to bankruptcy as the result of Amazon getting a taxpayer-supported leg up."

What about thinking about it like this? The only way to make sense.

Oh, and the retail business thing? Blatant lie.

#68 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"What about thinking about it like this? The only way to make sense."

No, the only way that makes sense is to weigh both pros and cons. You have already made up your mind that there are no cons, but there were some. There would have been losers among the local residents. The pros may have outweighed the cons overall, but to deny the cons weakens your argument as it demonstrates your lack of objectivity.

#69 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Oh, and the retail business thing? Blatant lie."

If Amazon's presence drove up the rental costs in the area (both residential and commercial), then there very well could have been retail business that were driven out of business.

#70 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:48 PM | Reply

Why would it?

#71 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:53 PM | Reply

I take that back. It might.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:53 PM | Reply

Why not remove all the businesses? Only put in thrift stores?

#73 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:53 PM | Reply

Or, better yet, pawn shops?

#74 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 02:55 PM | Reply

Those loan places and liquor stores are also on the poor side of town.

A few dank hair and nail shops. Reselling used furniture. The kind 6 where they leave it all out in the rain.

#75 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 02:59 PM | Reply

Right by the low income housing.

Let's all move t there and pray nobody wants to hire for will paying jobs.

#76 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 03:00 PM | Reply

Congratulations Drudge Retort.

We found BruceBanner"s Kryptonite.

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-17 03:26 PM | Reply

How are we still excusing Amazon not paying any taxes?

No one seems to be paying attention to this major detail.

#78 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-17 03:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"No. People go into tech to be poor"

He got his undergrad degree in Sociology, not a sign of someone who is primarily aiming to be wealthy. The truth is we neither one of us know him, but your hatred for AOC is causing you to make a lot of negative assumptions about him.

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A few dank hair and nail shops. Reselling used furniture. The kind 6 where they leave it all out in the rain."

Geez, your prejudices are surely showing. Not all hair and nail salons are dank. Not all used furniture stores leave their furniture out in the rain. The used furniture store in my area, for example, is run by Habitat for Humanity, and from I can tell, they take better care of their inventory than that.

#80 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 03:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Geez, your prejudices are surely showing. Not all hair and nail salons are dank. Not all used furniture stores leave their furniture out in the rain. The used furniture store in my area, for example, is run by Habitat for Humanity, and from I can tell, they take better care of their inventory than that.

#80 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-17 03:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Your experience is more valuable than mine? That's rich.

#81 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 04:37 PM | Reply

My experience is called prejudice by you. Your experience is better according to you.

#82 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 04:37 PM | Reply

How are we still excusing Amazon not paying any taxes?
No one seems to be paying attention to this major detail.

#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-17 03:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I've made that point a few times and nobody is willing to talk about it.

#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 04:38 PM | Reply

"Your experience is more valuable than mine? That's rich.
My experience is called prejudice by you. Your experience is better according to you."

Not your experience, your projection of that experience across the board. My experience isn't better or more valuable than yours, but it is different and that's the point.

#84 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 04:48 PM | Reply

How are we still excusing Amazon not paying any taxes?
No one seems to be paying attention to this major detail.
#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-17 03:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
I've made that point a few times and nobody is willing to talk about it.

Nobody? I posted this tweet the other day:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC
Feb 14

More Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted FORTUNE
Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.

$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.

Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?

FORTUNE @FortuneMagazine

Amazon will pay $0 in federal income taxes on $11.2 billion in profit.

fortune.com

#85 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#85 not at all the same point

#86 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 05:11 PM | Reply

One side of the Dem mouth: Amazon doesn't pay its workers enough!

The other side of the Dem mouth: these 25000 jobs pay too much, it ruins the neighborhood!

#87 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"your projection"

Google map Troost street in KC and tell me that isn't the literal description.

Then go 5 blocks west and see where the plaza is and how nice it is.

That's the outcome of businesses being established vs not.

#88 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 05:15 PM | Reply

Gal, Bruce is right.

That's not the same thing.

What's more important? Amazon not paying taxes. The loss of jobs. The loss of tax revenue. Gentrification. Billions in unnecessary subsidies. The positive and negative impact on the immediate economy.

This isn't just one issue.

But, Republicans are controlling the narrative, and the conversation has become about the loss of money / jobs and how liberals are really screwing up.

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-17 05:31 PM | Reply

#85 "not at all the same point"

Okay, I truly don't understand how this:

More Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted FORTUNE
Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.
$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.
Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?
FORTUNE @FortuneMagazine
Amazon will pay $0 in federal income taxes on $11.2 billion in profit.

and this:

How are we still excusing Amazon not paying any taxes?
No one seems to be paying attention to this major detail.
#78 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-17 03:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
I've made that point a few times and nobody is willing to talk about it.
#83 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-17 04:38 PM | Reply

are not the same thing.

"What's more important? Amazon not paying taxes. The loss of jobs. The loss of tax revenue. Gentrification. Billions in unnecessary subsidies. The positive and negative impact on the immediate economy.
This isn't just one issue."

Agreed.

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 08:59 PM | Reply

#90 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-17 08:

You also must add Amazon hiring a corporation that specializes in union busting to make sure that Amazon workers will not be unionized.

It's a sleaze bag corporation

#91 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-18 12:39 AM | Reply

It's a sleaze bag corporation

By today's standards I think it's just a corporation, the sleaze bag is just sort of understood in the 21st century.

Amazon is no worse or better than most any other company these days. They are just bigger.

As far as them not paying taxes well we do have the best tax code money can buy and Amazon has a lot of money. Subsidies for moving is a whole different thing and it's BS. Every time a company starts talking about moving a HQ states and municipalities start a bidding war with subsides and taxpayer paid for improvements etc. It's a load of crap and it needs to stop. Not just for Amazon but for all companies. You want to move to my town fantastic, we'd love to have you but we aren't paying for you to come here.

#92 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-02-18 07:08 AM | Reply

What I see is millions of stupid voters who continuously vote for leaders who sell the out. Obviously we need self appointed people to save voters from themselves. We need big goverment to save us but we can't be allowed to elect just anyone.

#93 | Posted by jdmeth at 2019-02-18 09:52 AM | Reply

Can any of our resident tax experts explain how Amazon managed to go 2 years without paying a single penny in taxes to the federal government?

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-18 10:08 AM | Reply

It's all explained in the article. Basically credits for prior year losses and deductions for equipment purchases and R&D.

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-18 10:32 AM | Reply

Anybody who lifts themselves out of poverty should be able to write off past years losses too. Instead we tax their first dollar to their last with no breaks for their past hardship.

I think what needs to happen is we need to stop categorizing income source. All income should be taxed the same.

#96 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-02-18 02:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#96

That's why corps are only "persons" when it helps their cause, not when it doesn't.

'Corporations Are People' Is Built on an Incredible 19th-Century Lie

www.theatlantic.com

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-18 03:07 PM | Reply

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