Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Friday, February 15, 2019

Calling it "a great thing to do," President Trump declared a national emergency Friday in order to help finance a long-promised wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a highly unusual move from an unconventional president....Illegal border crossings in the most recent fiscal year (ending in September 2018) were actually lower than in either 2016 or 2014 and much lower than at their peak around 2000, as NPR has previously fact-checked.

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Can't wait for the video footage of cops beating people for protesting the theft and destruction of their private property.

We'll see what the right's priorities actually are.

#1 | Posted by Jpw at 2019-02-14 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This will make Redial cringe, but I hate to say I told you so...

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 03:29 PM | Reply

Trump Toddler Tantrum... Mary Poppins called in for CryBaby Intervention.

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-14 03:31 PM | Reply

I'll believe it when it happens. In the meantime...

Rio Grande Border Patrol agents apprehend 1,300 people in one day
This is the highest number of people arrested by agents in a single day for the sector since June 2014, says the CBP.
www.khou.com

#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 03:37 PM | Reply

NICE. Now when the next Democrat President is elected we get universal health care! All they have to do is declare it a national health emergency.

#5 | Posted by schmanch at 2019-02-14 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Bad precedent. What will stop a Democratic president from declaring a Climate Change national emergency and close federally supported cows?

#6 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-02-14 03:45 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#5

That could be a consequence of Trump doing this, but the difference in cost would be in the Trillions...it would be very difficult to "repurpose" that kind of money.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 03:47 PM | Reply

The precedence is awful.

In fact it is physically impossible to make this happen.

So why take the kabuki this far?

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 03:49 PM | Reply

----, I didn't see the other post about this.

Nothing to see here.

#9 | Posted by qcp at 2019-02-14 03:49 PM | Reply

#4 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

STILL doesn't justify a Wall as Trump has described it.

#10 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-14 03:49 PM | Reply

it would be very difficult to "repurpose" that kind of money.
#7 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Difficult to accomplish in the long run, but not difficult to get off the ground. And for the Dems, that's all you really need to keep their base happy.

B. Hussein's token attempt at CJS reform acts as exhibit A.

#11 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-14 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So why take the kabuki this far?

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner at

Trump fears it is prison if he's not re-elected and he fears he won't be re-elected without pleasing his base.

Add narcissistic pride to this and you get an explanation.

#12 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-14 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

That Trump fears prison if he is not re-elected is also visible in his very recent decision to sabotage American efforts to protect elections from foreign powers in 2020.

#13 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-14 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Ann Coulter
‏Verified account @AnnCoulter
10m10 minutes ago

There's no coming back from this. No "emergency" or presidential powers will allow him to build the wall, ever, after he signs this bill. Trump has just agreed to fully open borders.

#14 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-02-14 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#13

That's a fake account... Nullifibian posting as Adam Coulter!

#15 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-14 04:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

the wall is never going to happen.

#16 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-14 04:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson

Good Morning, MAGA nation.

Today, Trump will sign a budget without your precious wall., because President Shart of the Deal went from $25bn for a wall to $1.3 billion for some fence.

Y'all are suckers.

4:50 AM - 14 Feb 2019

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 04:51 PM | Reply

this will be the thread where all the usual know-it-alls lecture us on how this will empower future presidents to do the same

Not!

#18 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-02-14 04:58 PM | Reply

Brian Schatz @brianschatz

Whether or not you vote to uphold this national emergency declaration is a pretty crisp litmus test for where you stand on the constitution and the separation of powers.

Angry Staffer @AngrierWHStaff

More Angry Staffer Retweeted Brian Schatz
The silence from "WE NEED A SMALLER GOVERNMENT" Republicans is deafening.

If we're *really* going to use a National Emergency to circumvent Congress' duty of budget allocation, the future possibilities are endless.

#19 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 05:04 PM | Reply

If we're *really* going to use a National Emergency to circumvent Congress' duty of budget allocation, the future possibilities are endless.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-

Trump is capable of manufacturing any number of national emergencies between now and 11/06/20.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-14 06:02 PM | Reply

Not as many emergencies as you are capable of manufacturing in your underpants, and on this blog, between now and, say, tomorrow.

#21 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-14 06:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Not as many emergencies as you are capable of manufacturing in your underpants, and on this blog, between now and, say, tomorrow."

Depends.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 06:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Not as many emergencies as you are capable of manufacturing in your underpants, and on this blog, between now and, say, tomorrow.

#19 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-14 06

The road to dictatorship is paved with willing blocks of lead, such as yourself.

#23 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-14 07:03 PM | Reply

The silence from "WE NEED A SMALLER GOVERNMENT" Republicans is deafening.

Actually a wall would create less government than anything the Democrats have proposed.

Illegal immigrants in this country represent and crate more Government intrusion in our lives and increase it's costs.

#24 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-14 07:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

the future possibilities are endless.

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-

Climate change will be a national emergency.

Homelessness will be a national emergency.

Poverty will be a national emergency.

College tuition will be a national emergency.

Name it and it will be a national emergency.

Thank you small government conservatives.

#25 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-02-14 08:02 PM | Reply

It should be a crime to declare an "NATIONAL EMRGY" when there is none.

#26 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-14 08:26 PM | Reply

Didn't realize that we are under a bunch of national emergencies. Now I am not sure whether any of these emergencies involve diverting money from one purpose to another and how else they could be different from what Trump is proposing:

www.usatoday.com

#27 | Posted by rosemountbomber at 2019-02-14 08:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump just opened Pandora's box. If I'm the Dems I tell the GOP'ers behind closed doors this is their one chance to stop their Fuhrer. If they don't, Medicare for all will happen and they can kiss the 2nd amedement bye bye. 2 can play this game.

#28 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-14 08:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So why take the kabuki this far?

#8 | Posted by BruceBanner

It's the "state of emergency" they want, not the wall.

#29 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-14 08:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Actually a wall would create less government than anything the Democrats have proposed.

Illegal immigrants in this country represent and crate more Government intrusion in our lives and increase it's costs.

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Does your ------- ever hurt given all the things you pull out of it?

#30 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-14 08:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


The emergency at our southern border is a manufactured crisis. Manufactured by the White House.

Yes, there is problem regarding illegal immigration, and we have to address that problem.

But the problem we should address is the actual problem, not the manufactured one.

To declare a National Emergency for this manufactured problem is little more than a political offering in hope it results in future votes.

A declaration of National Emergency in this instance is wrong, so very wrong.

It is a dangerous precedent.

Shame upon Pres Trump for even thinking of doing this towards Americans.

#31 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 08:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#2 Not!

Why not?

Our law is largely based upon precedent.

You need to explain why this is different.

#32 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 08:58 PM | Reply

"All recent presidents going back to Jimmy Carter have declared at least one national emergency during their time in office, CNN noted. For his part, Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported."

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 09:05 PM | Reply

#22 Government intrusion is regulating who can be a tourist and for how long. Illegal employment harms legal workers and benefits employers. Punish the employers.

#34 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-14 10:15 PM | Reply

#28 I'm fine with that, Bored. But it only works if illegal immigrants get ZERO public services as well.

#35 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:18 PM | Reply

On topic...if Trump tries this I will be screaming: UNCONSTITUTIONAL loudly and repeatedly.

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:20 PM | Reply

Trump declared a national emergency because Pelosi pantsed him in front of his racist base.
The wall won't get built because the money will be held up by legal action.
Trump gets to put on a show and pretend he cares about border security (he doesn't) and rile up his base.
Trump has employed illegal immigrants for decades, hires H1-b foreigners over Americans, and his retarded base still thinks he cares about them.

I have to admit it is funny watching Trump punk is base so badly.

#37 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-14 10:22 PM | Reply

--f Trump tries this I will be screaming: UNCONSTITUTIONAL loudly and repeatedly.

Did you say that about Obama's 13 national emergency declarations?

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 10:24 PM | Reply

#29 I am not arguing for no regs. But you can't complain about government intrusion and illegal immigration in the same breath.

Besides illegal immigrants don't get gov services other than ER treatment that all people get.

#39 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-14 10:24 PM | Reply

Did you say that about Obama's 13 national emergency declarations?

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

When it came to Obama I screamed "unconstitutional" more times than I can count. Ask anyone.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:27 PM | Reply


@#6

You miss an important aspect of this discussion....

How many of those previous emergencies you cite were manufactured by the President du jour?

#41 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 10:27 PM | Reply

#33 that's not true, Bored.

They utilize all sorts of public services from sending their kids to public schools to police/fire, etc...

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:28 PM | Reply

--Government intrusion is regulating who can be a tourist and for how long.

Oh no. Imagine a nation-state regulating who gets to enter its country. Good lord.

#43 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 10:29 PM | Reply

I'm not going to go over every national emergency that Obama declared. It's absurd to say that Trump has manufactured this mass migration.

Rio Grande Border Patrol agents apprehend 1,300 people in one day
This is the highest number of people arrested by agents in a single day for the sector since June 2014, says the CBP.
www.khou.com

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 10:34 PM | Reply

Nulli,

Trump clearly did not manufacture this problem.

But it's no worse than it was a few months ago.

There is no reason to deem this a 'national emergency' in order to try and do an end-around over the House's control of the purse-strings to fulfill a campaign promise that wasn't a priority for 2 years when the GOP had a majority in both chambers of congress.

Democrats being de facto open borders doesn't justify violating the Constitution in order to combat them.

#45 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:39 PM | Reply

"Democrats being de facto open borders..."

Let's not be stupid, shall we?

#46 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-14 10:45 PM | Reply

#6 how many of them were intended to subvert a Constitutional role of another branch of government?

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-14 10:58 PM | Reply

#36

The Socialist Utopias of Scandinavia would never do that...would they?

-The Clueless Left

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 11:04 PM | Reply

"Deflection noted."

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 11:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#6 how many of them were intended to subvert a Constitutional role of another branch of government?

#11 | POSTED BY JPW

Obama did that plenty of times without declaring a national emergency as justification.

On topic - I agree with you. The Southern border is a problem but it's not some kind of existential crisis that warrants going around congress to fund a physical barrier. Building a wall takes a LOT of time (permits, local government obstacles, Eminent Domain issues, etc). An emergency crisis calls for swift emergency measures. Building a wall doesn't fit the description.

#50 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:07 PM | Reply

"Emergancy!"

Randolf Mantooth was awesome in that show.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 11:14 PM | Reply

Fall of 2021.

National emergency for guns.

#52 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-02-14 11:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

This is actually funny. The Dems' strategy of open borders will be cut off and they got ZERO in return. They could have negotiated for DACA, they could have negotiated for work permits for illegals currently here - all that is off the board now. Basically, Pelosi and Schumer thought they won - they actually suffered an epic defeat for their open borders agenda. I can see the Koch Brothers and the other large donors seething at the Dems now for cutting off their supply of cheap, illegal labor in exchange for what? - Nothing.

When Trump declares the emergency and the SCOTUS ratifies it as constitutional, it will be a great day for the USA.

#53 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 11:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They could have negotiated for DACA, they could have negotiated for work permits for illegals currently here...

Only an idiot would "negotiate" with someone with absolutely zero credibility, integrity, or morals.

#54 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-02-14 11:39 PM | Reply

Only an idiot would "negotiate" with someone with absolutely zero credibility, integrity, or morals.
#16 | POSTED BY REDIAL

Which is why Trump stopped trying to negotiate with Pelosi and simply will do what is right for the country. I didn't think you shared that view of Pelosi.

BTW, only an idiot thinks losing all of their leverage is winning, so that pretty much sums up the current state of the Dems. With AOC ruining their credibility with the centrists and Pelosi getting steamrolled on the wall, the 'blue wave' seems like the best thing that could happen to ensure a Trump win in 2020. Great day to be an American.

#55 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes. donald has a reputation for impeccable integrity, honesty and commitment to his word.

#56 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-02-14 11:54 PM | Reply

When Trump declares the emergency and the SCOTUS ratifies it as constitutional, it will be a great day for the Russian Federation.

#15 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

An objective impossibility without two russian scotus appointments.

#57 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-14 11:57 PM | Reply

Only an idiot would "negotiate" with someone with absolutely zero credibility, integrity, or morals.

#16 | POSTED BY REDIAL

I agree with what you are saying. Trump's SOTU speech was overwhelmingly viewed positively. Yet, his calls for unity were diametrically opposed to how he's personally conducted himself. TDS is a thing. Having said that, an opposition party acting like an opposition party in the face of Trump's nasty tweets? They can take a juvenile stance and still look mature by comparison. We are living in very strange times.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:00 AM | Reply

#19 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

There weren't any Russia SCOTUS appointments yet. Maybe we will get our first one in about a month when RGB's Weekend at Bernies routine falls apart. I heard they couldn't draw convincing open eyes on her glasses, which is why she had to miss the SOTU.

#59 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

LOL:

George Takei @GeorgeTakei

So, Mexico wouldn't pay for the wall, Congress wouldn't pay for the wall, even a gofundme wouldn't pay for the wall. Obviously, now it's a goddamn national emergency.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 12:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Yet, his calls for unity were diametrically opposed to how he's personally conducted himself.

- How do you figure this? Has he implemented a reign of terror against LGBT people like we were told would happen? Has he tossed Dems in jail or went after them with the DoJ? How many pre-dawn raids has he told the FBI to do on Dems that lied to Congress (Clapper, McCabe, Comey, Feinstein, etc)?

TDS is a thing.

- Yes, it is. CNN is living proof in addition to how the Dems handled themselves during the Kavanaugh hearings.

Having said that, an opposition party acting like an opposition party in the face of Trump's nasty tweets?

- An opposition party should still have the best interests of the country as their top priority. For the Dems, it isn't. They will burn the country to the ground to regain power.

#61 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

We are living in very strange times.

I think the term is "race to the bottom".

#62 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-02-15 12:08 AM | Reply

George Takei @GeorgeTakei
#22 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

You realize Sulu is not a real captain, right? Takei is just a gay, out of work actor that is accused of being a bit -----. You have some tweets from Kevin Spacey too?

#63 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:12 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--George Takei @GeorgeTakei

i2.wp.com

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 12:17 AM | Reply

I think the term is "race to the bottom".

#24 | POSTED BY REDIAL

A backdoor reference? I thought you Canucks were above that degree of being sophomoric.

#65 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:18 AM | Reply

"Takei is just a gay,"

OMG, he's gay?!?

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 12:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

An opposition party should still have the best interests of the country as their top priority. For the Dems, it isn't. They will burn the country to the ground to regain power.
#23 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Lol still touting that ridiculous user name are we?

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-15 12:19 AM | Reply

OMG, he's gay?!?
#28 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

It is an important part of his identity as he professes. He is a proud gay rights activist. What is your point with this post?

#68 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:25 AM | Reply

STS - Yeah, I get that it's shallow, but we are talking about Sulu here, Gal.

How many times has that guy 'teleported' to the bridge? His DNA is surely F-ed to a point where he can't be taken seriously. BTW - I'd LOVE to hear his thoughts regarding the impending lawsuit against Harvard by Asians who have been discriminated against by admissions for being really smart and working their butts off only to be denied admission based upon a racial quota. I'd love to blindfold him with some dental floss and ask him about this but in a more generic sense - focusing solely on the discrimination and nothing else. He'd lock his phasers onto Harvard and would be mortified at slaughtering one of his own.

#69 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:26 AM | Reply

NoBias,

What does Sulu being gay have to do with this thread?

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What does Sulu's opinion have to do with this thread?

#71 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 12:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump gets less money than he was offered before AND

"Funding bill includes new limits on Trump's immigration crackdown"

www.politico.com

AND NoBrainsPoster still thinks he's a genius.

What a maroon! - Bugs Bunny

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 12:33 AM | Reply

NoBias,
What does Sulu being gay have to do with this thread?
#32 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

All I did was post a description of him -
1.) gay
2.) out of work actor
3.) accused of being -----

Nowhere in there is anything to tells me I should take anything he says as authoritative. If he were speaking on gay rights, I might listen to him as he is a well known activist dating back to the CA same sex marriage fight.

Why other posters chose to hone in on gay is beyond me. Also, I found the description to work well with my Kevin Spacey analogy who is also:

1.) gay
2.) out of work actor
3.) accused of being -----

and someone that I would also not pay any attention to his opinions despite him playing the president on TV.

#73 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What does Sulu's opinion have to do with this thread?

#33 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Good question. He knows how to lock on some phasers so he has the intimidation-factor working for him?

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:34 AM | Reply

AND of course, there are Trump tweets condemning Obama for using executive authority concerning immigration.

www.usatoday.com

Stuff can't be made up.

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 12:38 AM | Reply

"Funding bill includes new limits on Trump's immigration crackdown"
AND NoBrainsPoster still thinks he's a genius.
#34 | POSTED BY CORKY

Here is why he won - Pelosi pledged only a single dollar for the wall - she caved. Further, given he will declare the emergency, he will get 100% funding for what he wants above and beyond the $5B and avoid another shutdown. In the subsequent PR battle, he can honestly state that the Dems have already agreed to build a wall - it is just the matter of how much it will cost, which goes a long way in showing how dishonest the Dems have been throughout the negotiation.

I can't wait for 2020 commercials with Nancy pledging a single dollar for the wall transposed with wall construction ongoing in the background.

Lastly Trump is remembering what got him elected - he needs to take his case directly to the people. Whether through rallies or the SOTU, when he takes his case to the people, he wins.

#76 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

There is also video of Trump trying to grab Sulu by the P.

*that was for jeffy's amusement

#77 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 12:40 AM | Reply

There is also video of Trump trying to grab Sulu by the P.
#39 | POSTED BY CORKY

Except it is Sulu that is accused of being ----- with underage boys so not really an appropriate joke.

#78 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:42 AM | Reply

"What does Sulu's opinion have to do with this thread?"

IMO, Takei's tweet was funny and factual. I couldn't have said it better myself, so I didn't try to:

"So, Mexico wouldn't pay for the wall, Congress wouldn't pay for the wall, even a gofundme wouldn't pay for the wall. Obviously, now it's a goddamn national emergency."

#79 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 12:43 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- Pelosi pledged only

No, Dimmy, the Sen bill offered 1.7, which he turned down. Now he gets 1.3.

The maths are very, very hard for Trump Pets.

- he will declare the emergency, he will get 100% funding

No, he'll get lawsuits out the ying yang for longer than he will be in office.

- when he takes his case to the people.

You mean mean his ever shrinking base that has never, ever been a majority of the people.

#80 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama Declared 13 National Emergencies -- 11 Are Still Active

bigleaguepolitics.com

#81 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 12:45 AM | Reply

Takei's tweet goes to the topic of this thread; his gayness does not, so to me the better question would be: "What does Sulu's gayness have to do with this thread?"

#82 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 12:45 AM | Reply

- so not really an appropriate joke.

Neither are you.

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 12:48 AM | Reply

No, Dimmy, the Sen bill offered 1.7, which he turned down. Now he gets 1.3.

- Trump will get around $8B total with the emergency.

No, he'll get lawsuits out the ying yang for longer than he will be in office.

- Yeah, we know this is the Dem playbook which is why we assume a case will be filed somewhere in the 9th. With sanity being restored to the Supreme Court, this will get an expedited hearing and construction will being. It will be be completed by 2020, so it will again be a campaign issue and that is a loser for the Dems.

You mean mean his ever shrinking base that has never, ever been a majority of the people.
#42 | POSTED BY CORKY

- Currently at 52% approval and his SOTU had approvals in the high 70's. Trump will win in 2020 - and the best part is - even you will benefit as the US continue to grow stronger.

#84 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"What does Sulu's gayness have to do with this thread?"
#44 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Great question. Why did you hone in on that other than the fact that he is just an out of work actor and has been accused to raping underage boys? I would actually find the rape allegations to be the most shocking. Why did you go for gay?

#85 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:51 AM | Reply

Gay was the first thing in your list:

"Takei is just a gay, out of work actor that is accused of being a bit -----."

BTW, Trump is a straight, out of work reality TV star who has been accused of being -----.

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 12:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

.- .Currently at 52% approval

rofl! Only at wholly-owned by Republican Rasumussen Poll. 42 everywhere else, see realpolitics combined polls

- US continue to grow stronger.

A true moron who thinks WS is the economy and ignores trillions in debt and deficits.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Jonathan Karl @jonkarl

Tomorrow @POTUS will announce $8 billion for the wall:

$1.375 billion appropriations bill

Plus exec action:

$600 million - Treasury's drug forfeiture fund
$2.5 billion - DoD's drug interdiction program

Plus emergency declaration:

$3.5 billion DoD mil construction budget

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 01:02 AM | Reply

- Trump is a straight, out of work reality TV star who has been accused of being -----.

By at least 18 women last I heard... but then, he's a great liar, too, and these rwingers love to be lied to.

#89 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:03 AM | Reply

Ryan Saavedra

@RealSaavedra

Democrat Beto O'Rourke says he wants to knock down the existing border barriers on the southern border

MSNBC's Chris Hayes: "If you could, would you take the wall down now? Knock it down?"

O'Rourke: "Yes, absolutely. I would take the wall down."

Open Borders Bobby has set the standard for the other candidates.

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 01:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50

Wait.... our Military is Mexico?!

Who knew?

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:06 AM | Reply

The people of El Paso would love to see the border wall there knocked down. Their friends, neighbors, and business trade partners live on the other side and they don't pee their pants whenever they see brown people.

They are not xenophobic kid cagers like Rwingfidian.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:09 AM | Reply

#54 | Posted by Corky

Nice to see the open borders advocates come out of the closet.

#93 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 01:14 AM | Reply

#55

Sad to see former libs become xenophobic brown kid cagers who parrot rwing rhetoric for rubles.

#94 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:16 AM | Reply

The people of El Paso would love to see the border wall there knocked down. Their friends, neighbors, and business trade partners live on the other side and they don't pee their pants whenever they see brown people.
They are not xenophobic kid cagers like Rwingfidian.
#54 | POSTED BY CORKY

Wow, they seem totally different than the Mexicans living in Tijuana that were attacking the Central American migrants.

#95 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 01:16 AM | Reply

Open Borders Bobby has set the standard for the other candidates.
#52 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

This is the AOC effect - which is why Nancy hates her. It forces to the Dems to be honest about their open border desires. It is just dummies like AOC and Beta that think a majority of the US citizens want open borders - Nancy is smart enough to see how this will destroy the party. No more union money is they announce pro-open borders.

#96 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 01:19 AM | Reply

#57

Wow. You're a frakking idiot. The people of El Paso live in El Paso which is in the US and they are US citizens no matter their color.... unlike the people in Tijuana who are Mexican citizens.

The Mexicans living in Tijuana who fought with migrants were the opposite of people in Tijuana who tried to help the migrants.

Of course, had you been there, we know which you would have been.

www.cbs8.com

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Awww... ain't they cutest thing for Valentine's Day?

Dulli and NoBrains, a match made in Trump Heaven.

More evidence of mental devolution and the success of rwing fearmongering.

#98 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:24 AM | Reply

The Mexicans living in Tijuana who fought with migrants were the opposite of people in Tijuana who tried to help the migrants.
#59 | POSTED BY CORKY

So it was a bunch of Mexicans that were racists against brown people? Wait, wait - maybe there were White Hispanic Mexicans like George Zimmerman. If we go with that we can still portray anyone against illegal immigration as a racist as long as we insert white in there somewhere. Great idea Corky!

#99 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 01:28 AM | Reply

#61

NO.... that you imply they must be racists because they protested migrants, when they protested because there were a lot of poor migrants on their streets as the article plainly states... only tells us that you are projecting your own racism on them.

You are really, really bad at this retorting thingy, Sheepdip, and always have been.

#100 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:32 AM | Reply


@#8 ... It's absurd to say that Trump has manufactured this mass migration. ...

I agree with that. It is absurd to say that Pres Trump has made all those people leave their country and walk to the United States.

It is completely and absolutely absurd to say that.

But that is not what I said.

I said that the emergency at our southern border is a manufactured problem.

Since you have resorted to the ole deflection trick, I presume you must agree with my comment, that Pres Trump has manufactured the emergency at our southern border.

#101 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 01:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least with 8ok dying from opioids and 80k dying from gun deaths per year.. they finally identified the real threat to America... poor brown people looking for jobs

Walls couldn't stop the Mongrols and it won't stop the Mexicans.

#102 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-02-15 05:30 AM | Reply

"They utilize all sorts of public services from sending their kids to public schools to police/fire, etc..."

So, when ICE picks them up why can't they ask, "who do you work for?" And then go arrest that bastard? Till we start doing that you are preaching to those of us who just don't care what you have to say any more because it is all horse manure. Republicans don't want solutions, they want enemies that they can focus their hate on. And I'll tell you truthfully, three decades ago I sort of shared their beliefs, then I actually got to know the immigrants and it completely changed my beliefs. Immigrants built this country, their energy drives this country. Without immigrants this country would be poor and backwards.
"Gangs of New York?" Anyone see it? Nativists are --------.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 06:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least with 8ok dying from opioids

- in case you missed it, heroin and fentanol are flooding in from Mexico. Not only that, but cheap cocaine has swamped the US for the last 3 years also smuggled in from Mexico. So yes, I suspect a wall will help here.

and 80k dying from gun deaths per year..

- well, 40k so only 2x off. Of the 40k, 2/3rds were suicides so we are really at gun deaths at about 13k. Of the 13k, roughly 50% are gang related, usually over drugs (smuggled in from Mexico). So, we are down to about 6000 gun homicides per year on a population of 330,000,000. So that is about 1.8 per 100k. Basically, it is a problem but not a huge one compared to, say, drunk driving where ~2x that number of people die per year.

they finally identified the real threat to America... poor brown people looking for jobs
Walls couldn't stop the Mongrols and it won't stop the Mexicans.
#64 | POSTED BY 503JC69

- Yeah, it is a real problem when these people looking for jobs depress wages to the point US citizens can no longer support their families. On top of that, the illegal aliens suck up a huge amount of government resources, especially from our failing public schools.

#104 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 08:53 AM | Reply

"- Yeah, it is a real problem when these people looking for jobs depress wages to the point US citizens can no longer support their families"

But I must have missed your post demanding that the employers be arrested. I don't blame poor, desperate people displaced by NAFTA and our own CIAs efforts to destabilize their nations for coming here in an attempt to survive. If I have to blame someone it is you who won't blame the employers.

#105 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 09:32 AM | Reply

O'Rourke: I'd Destroy The Entire Border Wall If I Could

thefederalist.com

#PartyofOpenBorders

#106 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 09:44 AM | Reply

But I must have missed your post demanding that the employers be arrested.
#66 | POSTED BY DANNI

You must have because I do believe employers should be arrested. I would also come down hard on those that abuse the H1-B visa. Now that your central premise is wrong, will you admit your post was stupid?

#107 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 09:55 AM | Reply

"All recent presidents going back to Jimmy Carter have declared at least one national emergency during their time in office, CNN noted. For his part, Barack Obama declared 13 national emergencies, with many of them focused on international affairs and containing foreign conflicts, the outlet reported."

Charlie Savage @charlie_savage

... in the real world, their "emergency" declarations were about invoking statutes to sanction various bad actors on the intl stage; none were about reprograming funds to finance a disputed policy goal Congress had declined to fund.

Here's a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years

Here's a list of the presidents who declared still ongoing national emergencies.

abcnews.go.com

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 10:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#108 I asked what other past declaration was used to subvert Congress' Constitutional role and didn't see an answer.

As usual, righties over simplify and distort to try and force their "reality" on the rest of us.

#109 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-15 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm curious to see how far this goes. If the response is tepid, will we see other appropriations from the DoD budget and is this the reason they raised it 50% in the last budget? To create a $200 billion "emergency" slush fund?

#110 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-15 11:29 AM | Reply

- in case you missed it, heroin and fentanol are flooding in from Mexico

Since you obviously missed it, drugs come predominately through ports of entry... not over or under walls.

#111 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 11:31 AM | Reply

"I would also come down hard on those that abuse the H1-B visa."

I've never read a post of yours where you recommended arresting employers but if you want to come down on those abusing H1-B visas let's start with Trump.

#112 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 11:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To create a $200 billion "emergency" slush fund?"

Sort of looks that way doesn't it.

#113 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 11:33 AM | Reply

I love it. In exchange for a useless little piece of wall, we get the ability for presidents to bypass congress and do whatever they want.

If this survives the courts, the next dem prez will be able to declare national emergencies over climate change, campaign finance corruption, mass shootings, and health care prices, to take drastic action that congress would have prevented.

A stupid little piece of wall seems like a small price to pay to suddenly be able to fix all those things.

#114 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 11:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If this survives the courts, the next dem prez will be able to declare national emergencies over climate change, campaign finance corruption, mass shootings, and health care prices, to take drastic action that congress would have prevented.
#114 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Yeah, good luck with that. The Supreme Court will be conservative for the next 30+ years and will stop your nonsense in its tracks. However, if the next Dem wants to build a wall on the northern border, he/she/zhe will be able to do that.

#115 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 11:45 AM | Reply

Yeah, good luck with that. The Supreme Court will be conservative for the next 30+ years and will stop your nonsense in its tracks. However, if the next Dem wants to build a wall on the northern border, he/she/zhe will be able to do that.

#115 | Posted by nobiasposter101

The supreme court is bound by precedent SHEEPLE. If they find that this non emergency is enough for the prez to declare an emergency, then that's where the bar is for future presidents.

Go get yet another new username.

#116 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The supreme court is bound by precedent SHEEPLE. If they find that this non emergency is enough for the prez to declare an emergency, then that's where the bar is for future presidents.
#116 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

What non-emergency is that? Sorry Lefty, no soup for you now that sanity has been restored to the Supreme Court. With buzzards circling RBG, just a matter of weeks until Trump gets another one.

#117 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 11:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

What non-emergency is that? Sorry Lefty, no soup for you now that sanity has been restored to the Supreme Court. With buzzards circling RBG, just a matter of weeks until Trump gets another one.

#117 | Posted by nobiasposter101

Haha from a sanders supporter to a hard core conservative huh? Whatever pays the rent in st.petersberg right sheep?

#118 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 11:55 AM | Reply

#28 I'm fine with that, Bored. But it only works if illegal immigrants get ZERO public services as well.
#35 | Posted by JeffJ

YEAH! ---- CHILDREN!!! LET THEM DIE IN THE STREETS AND GET NO EDUCATION!

#119 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 11:56 AM | Reply

Haha from a sanders supporter to a hard core conservative huh?
#118 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Only a moron buys into Bernie's nonsense. That said, I am not a hard core conservative. I am an independent mainly. I support policies from both sides.

#120 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hahaha this moron just admitted there is no emergency in his speech declaring an emergency: "I didn't need to do this, I just wanted it to happen faster."

#121 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 12:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Donald Trump is a Clear and Present Danger to the USA

#122 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only a moron buys into Bernie's nonsense. That said, I am not a hard core conservative. I am an independent mainly. I support policies from both sides.

#120 | Posted by nobiasposter101

Nobody's buying it sheeple. Like I said, try another username and work harder on hiding your identity.

#123 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 12:05 PM | Reply

The border wall is the Reichstag Fire for the 21st Century.

#124 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Everyone remembers trumps famous campaign promise dont they?
"We're gonna build a wall, and american victims of natural disasters are gonna pay for it!"
That's how it went, right?

#125 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 12:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Well here we go!

Let's see if the Founding Fathers' grand experiment is in it's twilight.

#126 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-02-15 12:21 PM | Reply

Since you obviously missed it, drugs come predominately through ports of entry... not over or under walls.
#111 | POSTED BY CORKY

You don't know where they come in, you only know the ones that got caught. If you removed all BP and ICE as Democrats want we wouldn't have any idea where it comes in. As no one would get caught ergo, no drugs crossing the border, according to your logic.

#127 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-15 12:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Brit Hume notes that O'Rourke inadvertently pointed out that walls work: "he says existing walls and fences have forced illegals toward the most dangerous places to cross, which means they are indeed a deterrent. His sympathies as expressed here are entirely with those crossing illegally. He clearly wants to make it easier for them."

#OpenBordersBeto

#128 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Takei is just a gay, out of work actor

#63 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101 AT 2019-02-15 12:12 AM | FLAG: HOMOPHOBIC GOPNIK

#129 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-15 12:35 PM | Reply

From a structural and civil engineer (also professor and deposed as expert witness on construction of walls) about how ridiculous the wall is:

m.facebook.com

Public post so don't need a facebook account.

#130 | Posted by pirate at 2019-02-15 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here is the official list of o'bummer's as published by none other than CNN:

Past emergencies have focused on everything from swine flu to rough diamonds.

Here's a list of the 28 active national emergencies:

1. Blocking Iranian Government Property (Nov. 14, 1979)
2. Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nov. 14, 1994)
3. Prohibiting Transactions with Terrorists Who Threaten to Disrupt the Middle East Peace Process (Jan. 23, 1995)
4. Prohibiting Certain Transactions with Respect to the Development of Iranian Petroleum Resources (Mar. 15, 1995)
5. Blocking Assets and Prohibiting Transactions with Significant Narcotics Traffickers (Oct. 21, 1995)
6. Regulations of the Anchorage and Movement of Vessels with Respect to Cuba (Mar. 1, 1996)
7. Blocking Sudanese Government Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Sudan (Nov. 3, 1997)
8. Blocking Property of Persons Who Threaten International Stabilization Efforts in the Western Balkans (Jun. 26, 2001)
9. Continuation of Export Control Regulations (Aug. 17, 2001)
10. Declaration of National Emergency by Reason of Certain Terrorist Attacks (Sept. 14, 2001)
11. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Transactions with Persons who Commit, Threaten to Commit, or Support Terrorism (Sept. 23, 2001)
12. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Zimbabwe (Mar. 6, 2003)
13. Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and Certain Other Property in Which Iraq has an Interest (May 22, 2003)
14. Blocking Property of Certain Persons and Prohibiting the Export of Certain Goods to Syria (May 11, 2004)
15. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Undermining Democratic Processes or Institutions in Belarus (Jun. 16, 2006)
16. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (Oct. 27, 2006)
17. Blocking Property of Persons Undermining the Sovereignty of Lebanon or Its Democratic Processes and Institutions (Aug. 1, 2007)
18. Continuing Certain Restrictions with Respect to North Korea and North Korean Nationals (Jun. 26, 2008)
19. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in Somalia (Apr. 12, 2010)
20. Blocking Property and Prohibiting Certain Transactions Related to Libya (Feb. 25, 2011)
21. Blocking Property of Transnational Criminal Organizations (Jul. 25, 2011)
22. Blocking Property of Persons Threatening the Peace, Security, or Stability of Yemen (May 16, 2012)
23. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Ukraine (Mar. 6, 2014)
24. Blocking Property of Certain Persons With Respect to South Sudan (Apr. 3, 2014)
25. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)
26. Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela (Mar. 9, 2015)
27. Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities (Apr. 1, 2015)
28. Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Burundi (Nov. 23, 2015)

#131 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-02-15 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It's the "state of emergency" they want, not the wall.

#29 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-02-14 08:52 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

Aaaand we have a winner!

#132 | Posted by cbob at 2019-02-15 12:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Interesting post Pirate.

#133 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 12:51 PM | Reply

-- Past emergencies have focused on everything from swine flu to rough diamonds.

Obama could have declared an emergency for erectile dysfunction and the Left would've have chanted:

Go 'Bama!

#134 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 12:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Brit Hume notes that O'Rourke inadvertently pointed out that walls work: "he says existing walls and fences have forced illegals toward the most dangerous places to cross, which means they are indeed a deterrent. His sympathies as expressed here are entirely with those crossing illegally. He clearly wants to make it easier for them."

#OpenBordersBeto

#128 | Posted by nullifidian

Nulli gets his political analysis from brit hume.

#135 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Obama could have declared an emergency for erectile dysfunction and

#134 | Posted by nullifidian

...it still would have been a more valid national emergency than this.

#136 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Hahaha this moron just admitted there is no emergency in his speech declaring an emergency: "I didn't need to do this, I just wanted it to happen faster."

#121 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-02-15 12:04 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

President Shart of the Deal never knows when to stop dumping out whatever fecal matter collects in his brain.

"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

Oh, but wait! Did any of the Fake News guys give Trump his Miranda warning?

#137 | Posted by cbob at 2019-02-15 12:55 PM | Reply

If you talk about "maybe" declaring a state of emergency for months, explicitly use it as a bargaining chip in policy negotiations, then when you don't get what you want declare an emergency but say "i didnt have to do this," and then jet off to go play some golf...

...it's probably not an emergency.

#138 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 12:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Left out of the discussion is the fact that of the people heading towards our borders are asking for asylum which both our own laws and international laws that we recognize are in effect which say every refugee asking for asylum has to be given due process to determine if or not it is a legitimate request. How is a wall going to change that?

#139 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 01:00 PM | Reply

Left out of the discussion is the fact that of the people heading towards our borders are asking for asylum which both our own laws and international laws that we recognize are in effect which say every refugee asking for asylum has to be given due process to determine if or not it is a legitimate request. How is a wall going to change that?
#139 | POSTED BY DANNI

- They will now wait in Mexico as the asylum claim is weighed. About 95% of these claims are then rejected. So, it means we will have about 95% less people that apply for asylum that is rejected but the people were released into the US and never show up for their hearing - like it was under Obama. You do realize the very high rejection rate on asylum claims, right?

#140 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

With buzzards circling RBG, just a matter of weeks until Trump gets another one.

#117 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101 AT 2019-02-15 11:51 AM | REPLY

You're a piece of ----, sheep.

#141 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-15 01:13 PM | Reply

If you add 2 pounds of sugar to 1 ton of concrete it will ruin it.

It won't be able to set properly.

French anarchists used this to resist prison construction in the 80s.

I'm just posting this purely for educational purposes.

#142 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-02-15 01:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Translated for those waiting for asylum: "Si agrega 2 libras de azúcar a 1 tonelada de concreto, se arruinará."

#143 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 01:22 PM | Reply

Climate change will be a national emergency.
Homelessness will be a national emergency.
Poverty will be a national emergency.
College tuition will be a national emergency.
Name it and it will be a national emergency.
Thank you small government conservatives.

#25 | POSTED BY MRSILENCEDOGOOD AT 2019-02-14 08:02 PM | FLAG:

Dems have already treated them all as emergencies, just look at our annual pork filled budget

#144 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-02-15 01:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#127 |

Hilarious Mattress.

Yes, we do know how drugs come in, even if you don't:

"Fact-checking Trump officials: Most drugs enter US through legal ports of entry, not vast, open border

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection statistics, 90 percent of heroin seized along the border, 88 percent of cocaine, 87 percent of methamphetamine, and 80 percent of fentanyl in the first 11 months of the 2018 fiscal year was caught trying to be smuggled in at legal crossing points.

While those numbers deal only with drugs that are caught, border experts say the data accurately reflect the way drug cartels successfully smuggle narcotics into the country."

www.usatoday.com

But hey, we get it, facts and expertise are anathema to rwingers. You'll always have your Trump Myths, though.

#145 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Dems have already treated them all as emergencies, just look at our annual pork filled budget

#144 | Posted by fishpaw

The budget is passed by congress, not by emergency declaration. If the wall qualifies as a national emergency, you aint seen nothin yet. I honestly hope the supreme court says it qualifies, because then climate change and gun violence will qualify too.

#146 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Translated for those waiting for asylum: "Si agrega 2 libras de azúcar a 1 tonelada de concreto, se arruinará."
#143 | POSTED BY DANNI

Nazi slave labor would do that to the fortifications they were forced to build.

Workforce morale matters.

#147 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 01:28 PM | Reply

The topline military budget is $686 billion.

Republicans have essentially turned the military into a slush fund.

How many solar panels do you think we will be able to buy with $686 billion? (You will need to discount the price of the solar panels since in 2 years they will probably be cheaper)

#148 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-15 01:39 PM | Reply

"President Donald Trump on Friday admitted that he "didn't need to" declare a national emergency for his long-promised border wall, and merely wanted to "do it much faster" to please his political base.

A number of legal experts -- including George Conway, husband of top Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway -- immediately noted on Twitter that those words could easily be used against him in the likely legal battle over his questionable claim to a national emergency."

He won't get his damn wall

#149 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-15 01:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have no choice but to declare a national emergency."

***heads to Mar-a-Lago for the weekend***

#150 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-02-15 01:45 PM | Reply

Will be blocked by a Federal Court before the end of the day.
Fact.

#151 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-02-15 01:49 PM | Reply

This is all interesting, but I can't believe we're overlooking the bigger story here -- that the United States of America no longer is a sovereign nation.

At least I assume that's the case.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but apparently we've been annexed by our neighbors to the south, since it was made clear early on that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. But if we're all one country we wouldn't need a wall to begin with, right?

#152 | Posted by cbob at 2019-02-15 01:58 PM | Reply

Byron York
‏Verified account @ByronYork

Has someone done a detailed analysis of why the 31 currently active states of emergency are legitimate, and the newest one concerning the US-Mexico border is not?
8:35 AM - 15 Feb 2019

#153 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 02:07 PM | Reply

Has someone done a detailed analysis of why the 31 currently active states of emergency are legitimate, and the newest one concerning the US-Mexico border is not?
8:35 AM - 15 Feb 2019

#153 | Posted by nullifidian

Because the guy declaring the emergency just admitted its not an emergency.

Analysis complete.

#154 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Like bama President Trump has a pen and a phone : )

#155 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-15 02:11 PM | Reply

Toronto Star reporter Daniel Dale pointed out on Twitter, previous declarations didn't involve the "seizure of money for a controversial initiative Congress refused to fund."

#156 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-15 02:12 PM | Reply

"Has someone done a detailed analysis of why the 31 currently active states of emergency are legitimate"

which ones were to be paid for by Mexico?

#157 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-02-15 02:14 PM | Reply

"Ocasio-Cortez, Castro plan to introduce bill to block national emergency

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas) plan to introduce a bill to stop President Trump's emergency declaration.

A Democratic aide confirmed that Castro reached out to Ocasio-Cortez to get her on board and the pair is reaching out to others to build support.

"We've got people flooding in to support this," the aide said."

#158 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-15 02:19 PM | Reply

What messes with the progressive mind is the Damn Yankee is doing what he said he would. About 70% of us are for a wall. The absence of a complete border barrier does nothing for poor blacks and whites. In fact the practice seriously depresses wadge. I thought the progressives were for the proletariat? It does allow people who have no chose,(little children and captive women), criminals, and everyone else WOI,(without inspection) to come. I know a lot of people in border towns are against a wall, but measuring an issue of law is "who profits". Moving illegals is a big business. Making false documents is a big business. The charted bus business is huge. The drug business, as always is flourishing. I'll will lay odds that the biggest earner in border towns is in the business of moving people and drugs north.
My nephew now lives in Laredo, his wife is a teacher and he owns a small landscaping company. It is obvious who is in "the business".
Trump is getting the wall. He will do it even if he has to use soldiers.
You who have issues with the National Emergency, remember St Barack issued 7.
Those "National Emergency" laws were part of the PATRIOT Act. As I remember plenty of Democrats gave POTUS that power. DO you seriously believe that if you abandon your responsibility and give someone power they will not use it? Congress seemed to think not, and they were wrong.

#159 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-02-15 02:23 PM | Reply

Like bama President Trump has a pen and a phone : )

#155 | Posted by MSgt

And he can use them for real emergencies. Needing to keep a campaign promise to a bunch of ignorant racists isn't a national emergency.

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-"Ocasio-Cortez, Castro plan to introduce bill to block national emergency

Another publicity stunt from Boss Cortez, the puppet master of the democrat party. It has no chance of passing.

#161 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 02:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What messes with the progressive mind is the Damn Yankee is doing what he said he would. About 70% of us are for a wall.

#159 | Posted by docnjo

To find the guy losing the argument, look for the guy spouting fake statistics.

www.cbsnews.com

"But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it."

Unless you used "US" to mean trump's cult members.

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Another publicity stunt from Boss Cortez, the puppet master of the democrat party. It has no chance of passing.

#161 | Posted by nullifidian

You're been passionately defending a publicity stunt all morning.

#163 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

ANN COULTER SAYS DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO ‘SCAM THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN HIS BASE' WITH A NATIONAL EMERGENCY

www.newsweek.com

LOL

#164 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-02-15 02:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly , Yea, the same pollsters predicted HRC was going to win (95%). Coming From corporate news I would have doubts.

#165 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-02-15 02:32 PM | Reply

#160 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-02-15 02:23 PM | FLAG: Pols indicate that a majority is for securing the boarder, so many of us do consider it a real emergency.

INVASION: an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity --- an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

#166 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-15 02:40 PM | Reply

It's clear who is setting the agenda. Boss Cortez ought to switch offices with Pelosi.

#167 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 02:42 PM | Reply

"I'll will lay odds that the biggest earner in border towns is in the business of moving people and drugs north."

Thanks, Capitalism!

To be clear, you think you can stop illegal entrepreneurialism Capitalism with a wall, correct?

Would a gun ban work too, if we had a wall?

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 02:45 PM | Reply

#162 | Posted by SpeakSoftly , Yea, the same pollsters predicted HRC was going to win (95%). Coming From corporate news I would have doubts.

#165 | Posted by docnjo

So you prefer to just pull polls out of your ass like you did in #159?

#169 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:45 PM | Reply

INVASION: an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity --- an unwelcome intrusion into another's domain.

#166 | Posted by MSgt

The number of people illegally crossing through the desert does not meet your own definition.

#170 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 02:47 PM | Reply

About 70% of us are for a wall.

#159 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-02-15 02:23 PM | REPLY |

Fortunately the us you refer to is a small minority of the population of the USA and is much smaller than the 60% of the entire population that oppose the wall including all of those who will be most directly affected.

www.cbsnews.com

#171 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-02-15 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

We can debate the wisdom (or lack of) of building a wall until we are blue in the face.

However, before we do that we have to ask ourselves this question: Does the president have the authority to do this?

I say unequivocally no, he does not. This is a policy argument and funding for this has to come from congress.

#172 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 02:49 PM | Reply

"Subvert the Constitution': Trump's 2014 remarks on Obama's executive actions show ‘hypocrisy,' critics say

It was November 2014, a month that Trump spent lambasting Obama almost every day on Twitter. Trump was an outspoken critic of Obama's immigration executive orders, which sought to shield millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation while providing them work permits. And on Fox News, speaking over the phone in a fast-talking, freewheeling monologue, Trump made clear what he thought of a president's authority to bypass Congress on immigration policy: that it was illegal and, yes, impeachable.

Trump said that Obama couldn't make a deal -- and so "now he has to use executive action, and this is a very, very dangerous thing that should be overridden easily by the Supreme Court." He added: "We're looking now at a situation that should absolutely not pass muster in terms of constitutionality" and argued that Obama "certainly could be impeached" for it."

www.washingtonpost.com

#173 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-15 02:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- About 70% of us are for a wall

If by "us" you mean Neanderthals.

- ANN COULTER SAYS DONALD TRUMP IS TRYING TO ‘SCAM THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE IN HIS BASE' WITH A NATIONAL EMERGENCY

And it's werking!

See: Mattress, Dulli... and the rest of the rwingers.

#173

It's Constitutional if the Orange Pres does it.

#174 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

What messes with the progressive mind is the Damn Yankee is doing what he said he would. About 70% of us are for a wall.

#159 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

What messes with the progressive mind is what a bunch of nonsense this is. Why wasn't it a national emergency in Trump's first two years, when Republicans controlled all three branches of government?

65% of Americans disapprove/oppose the wall:

FiveThirtyEight

#175 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-02-15 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

About 70% of us are for a wall.

#159 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

You're a liar.

#176 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Shart of the Deal ruined his own legal case with....

"I didn't have to do it, but I wanted it done quickly"

Then he flew off to Mango Largo to bunker down on the fairway.

#177 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-02-15 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Donald's flirted with dictatorship before now but today he gave it a big, sloppy kiss.

Worries that he will refuse to leave office in 2020 after he loses are valid.

#178 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:25 PM | Reply

Is it just me that was thoroughly entertained by the POTUS rose garden speech?

Not only did he undermine his entire argument for declaring a national emergency within the first sentence of his speech, he refused to focus on the "national emergency" and instead distracted everyone with EVERYTHING else going on, save for opening up an investigation into Hillary's emails. I was truly blown away and couldn't stop watching. The buffoonery on display was simply captivating.

#179 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

" About 70% of us are for a wall.
#159 | POSTED BY DOCNJO"

Our test found that to be a lie.....

news.gallup.com

Please tell me whether you strongly favor, favor, oppose or strongly oppose significantly expanding the construction of walls along the U.S.-Mexico border?
June 2018 January 2019
%
%
TOTAL OPPOSE 57 60

#180 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-02-15 03:26 PM | Reply

About 70% of us are for a wall.
#159 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

Link up, buttercup.

#181 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:26 PM | Reply

Is it just me that was thoroughly entertained by the POTUS rose garden speech?

I was entertained watching him stammer and make up ----. Ya know, just like every day since 2015.

#182 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-02-15 03:27 PM | Reply

"Worries that he will refuse to leave office in 2020 after he loses are valid."

How can he leave in the middle of a crisis at the Mexican border?

#183 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 03:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is it just me that was thoroughly entertained by the POTUS rose garden speech?

#179 | Posted by rstybeach11 at

God-Emperor Trump has trouble with being contradicted.

He was talking death penalty for drug-dealers today. Everyone knows he was really thinking reporters.

#184 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:27 PM | Reply

#179 Beach,

A local radio station played his speech live when I was in the car. I listened for a minute or so and had to turn it off. He is so fricking hard to listen to.

#185 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 03:29 PM | Reply

Pols indicate that a majority is for securing the boarder, so many of us do consider it a real emergency.

Majority support securing the border and even more do NOT support the wall as Trump has described it.

It's pretty simple.

#186 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:29 PM | Reply

How can he leave in the middle of a crisis at the Mexican border?

#183 | Posted by danni at 2019-0

That may be exactly how he frames it.

#187 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:29 PM | Reply

"He was talking death penalty for drug-dealers today."

Duerte!

#188 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-15 03:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He is so fricking hard to listen to.
#185 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

I typically agree.

But there was something extra today, like a higher state of mania that he hadn't offered before.

It was just awesome to watch his exchange with reporters and one reporter in particular that had a tone of voice that was surprisingly aggressive.

The whole thing just seemed surreal, unprecedented even for Trump.

#189 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But there was something extra today, like a higher state of mania that he hadn't offered before.

189 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02

How often did he sniff?

#190 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:39 PM | Reply

I'd like to return to the subject of drug-dealers and Trump's known habit of projection.

#191 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-15 03:40 PM | Reply

He was talking death penalty for drug-dealers today.

The Chinese accent Trump mimicked was also impressive. He should have thrown a ‘no tickee no washee' in there as well.

www.google.com

#192 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2019-02-15 03:40 PM | Reply

How often did he sniff?
#190 | POSTED BY ZED

I was looking for it, but didn't notice. May have given himself enough time between lines to have blown his nose this go around.

#193 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:47 PM | Reply

leaving office in disgrace... wtg pigs.

#194 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-15 03:49 PM | Reply

Obama claimed 10 of these, you lefty stooges. Wtf do you think DACA is? What a bunch of meat puppets

#195 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 03:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

There are various Constitutionally permissible methods to remove Trump from office, ranging from impeachment to the 25th Amendment to the Second Amendment.

But nobody has the guts.

#196 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 03:54 PM | Reply

#195 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Was it 7? Was it 10? I've seen other places that it was 13.

NULLI has a pretty exhaustive list someone around here.

It would be good for everyone to get on the same page regarding how many national emergencies were declared by B. Hussein and what they were for.

From what I gathered, all of the national emergencies were tied to foreign affairs. So unless Trump is planning on building this wall on Mexico's side of the border, we are really comparing apples to oranges.

#197 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 03:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I'm pretty sure Obama claimed 12 of them.

I don't remember any of them being contentious.

#198 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 04:01 PM | Reply

Obama claimed 10 of these, you lefty stooges. Wtf do you think DACA is? What a bunch of meat puppets

#195 | Posted by wisgod

He claimed 10 fake national emergencies for political reasons? I'll need to see a link for that. Please dont link to your ----.

#199 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 04:01 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Donald Trump is scum.

#200 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:09 PM | Reply

Blocking Property of Certain Persons Contributing to the Conflict in the Central African Republic (May 12, 2014)

Just one example from #131.

This is hardly as emergency-worthy as the president fulfilling his constitutional obligation to enforce immigration laws and securing our national borders.

#201 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 04:11 PM | Reply

An interesting take on B. Hussein's executive order that Trump is using as precedent for the Wall:

Thanks, Obama: Here's the Obama Executive Order Trump Is Using to Build the Wall

As it turns out, back in 2011 then-President Barack Obama issued an executive order "blocking property of transnational criminal organizations organizations." Obama cited his authority as granted through the Constitution to invoke the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. 1701, and the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1601. The latter is the same legislation that Trump is citing to get funding for the wall to achieve his immigration reform goals. That executive order targeted a number of criminal organizations, including the Mexican Los Zetas cartel, an ally of the MS-13 gang President Trump has regularly called out as a danger to Americans.

"Drugs, gangs and people -- an invasion," Trump said on Friday. "We have an invasion coming into this country."

Trump all but thanked his predecessor on Friday.

"We may be using one of the national emergencies that [Obama] signed having to do with criminal cartels ... it's a very good national emergency ... we're going to be using parts of it," he said.

lawandcrime.com

And below is an interesting response to the article:

uselesslegs • an hour ago
The context under which this happened is being ignored. Obama wasn't fighting/pushing this by insisting funding should be taken from other agencies to get required monies. Congress appropriated separate funding. This isn't to say that I don't think executive powers need to be reigned in a bit. Bush pushed the envelope and Obama pushed it further...but with instances involving Bush and Obama, I can't find any executive emergency powers enacted that took allocation from other agencies funding.

#202 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:15 PM | Reply

I see some forget what the Presidents responsibilities are. Hint: it isn't negotiating uranium, you dumb -----

#203 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is hardly as emergency-worthy as the president fulfilling his constitutional obligation to enforce immigration laws and securing our national borders.
#201 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

That's the farce of this whole situation! Illegal immigration is down from 2016, which was down from 2014, and significantly down from 2000.

The idea that immigration laws are not being enforced or that the border is not secure is a complete farce. Which explains the lack of justification for this emergency declaration.

#204 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:17 PM | Reply

www.inquisitr.com

Here are the 11 national emergencies declared by Obama, which one is controversial?

#205 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:18 PM | Reply

I see some forget what the Presidents responsibilities are. Hint: it isn't negotiating uranium, you dumb -----
#203 | Posted by wisgod

Your stupidity is boundless

#206 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I see some forget what the Presidents responsibilities are. Hint: it isn't negotiating uranium, you dumb -----

#203 | Posted by wisgod

I see you're stupid enough to think president's responsibilities include blowing billions of dollars on pointless vanity projects to please racist ignorant morons.

#207 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 04:19 PM | Reply

Does anyone seriously think Trump is informed on the details of the law for declaring a national emergency.

#208 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:20 PM | Reply

And there's no opioid problem. Derp. El Chapo is Just like Peter Pan. Derp. Mexican Gangs just come here for Taco Bell. Derp.

#209 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:20 PM | Reply

I'm kind of pissed at myself.

While I was in the car I intended to troll this thread propping Trump for doing this.

But by the time I got on my keyboard I had forgotten.

#210 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 04:21 PM | Reply

No stupid. He can redirect funds which doesn't mean new expenditures. Christ, you are stupid, Specks.

#211 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I see some forget what the Presidents responsibilities are. Hint: it isn't negotiating uranium, you dumb -----
#203 | Posted by wisgod

The President's responsibilities include Appropriating money from the Treasury?

#212 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When Clinton and Obama built walls, what was that called Specks?
Neighborly?

#213 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:25 PM | Reply

Pissgod thinks his Piss God can spend money any way he wants.

#214 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No Truth. Only Obama had the right to print currency. He's not doing that, now is he? LOL!

#215 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:26 PM | Reply

--The idea that immigration laws are not being enforced or that the border is not secure is a complete farce.

400,000 arrested by CBP last year. How many weren't arrested? Double, triple, quadruple that number? On the same day Open Border Beto and Trump had rallies, this happened:

Rio Grande Border Patrol agents apprehend 1,300 people in one day
This is the highest number of people arrested by agents in a single day for the sector since June 2014, says the CBP.
www.khou.com

#216 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 04:27 PM | Reply

So he has no say on homeland security money? Ok, Boss. I'm sure that mess at Pearl Harbor proves your point

#217 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:27 PM | Reply

Pissgod? Didn't take long for you to get a sore ass, did it?

#218 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:29 PM | Reply

And there's no opioid problem. Derp. El Chapo is Just like Peter Pan. Derp. Mexican Gangs just come here for Taco Bell. Derp.

#209 | Posted by wisgod

There is an opioid problem. And a wall wont do crap about it, except take money that could have been used for the opioid problem.

A wall is a 3rd grade level solution and it appeals to people with 3rd grade level brains.

#219 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So pissboy, why is there even a controversy if trump can spend money any way he wants? Why was the government shut down for over a month?

You sir, are a block head.

#220 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--blowing billions of dollars on pointless vanity projects

Thread isn't about Jerry Brown's moondoggle express.

#221 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 04:29 PM | Reply

Yeah, anyway he wants. I think I posted that, rummy

#222 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:32 PM | Reply

You girls really need work on debating. Start with precedence

#223 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:34 PM | Reply

I can only assume by the level of ignorance you are showing that you are in an assisted living facility, where some kindly nurse is typing your nonsense. Hey nurse, please stop indulging this drooling moron. Give him his meds and send him to the common room to put together a puzzle or make macaroni art or something.

#224 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:34 PM | Reply

You girls really need work on debating. Start with precedence
#223 | Posted by wisgod

Precedence? I don't think that word means what you think it does.

#225 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ok Webster.

#226 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:37 PM | Reply

This is the highest number of people arrested by agents in a single day for the sector since June 2014, says the CBP.
www.khou.com
#216 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

It's called an outlier. Not a national emergency.

"Check, please."

#227 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:38 PM | Reply

Start with precedence
#223 | POSTED BY WISGOD

I acknowledged exactly that in #202.

Why are you ignoring it?

#228 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:39 PM | Reply

9/11 was an outlier too compared to Pearl Harbor

#229 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:40 PM | Reply

prec·e·dence
Dictionary result for precedence
/ˈpresədəns,prēˈsēdns/
noun
noun: precedence; noun: precedency
the condition of being considered more important than someone or something else; priority in importance, order, or rank.
"his desire for power soon took precedence over any other consideration"

Google seems to have Trump in mind with their example use of the word.

#230 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:40 PM | Reply

The Supreme Court didn't agree with Trump on his Asylum ban - because Congress holds the power to act and did not recognize some emergency. Trump is going to fail again. This is divisive politics at its worst.

And on Friday, the Supreme Court let stand Judge Tigar's original order temporarily blocking the Trump administration's new asylum restrictions in a 5-4 ruling in which Chief Justice John Roberts sided with the four liberal justices.

The Supreme Court can still hear arguments on the merits of the asylum restrictions at a later date.

#231 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:41 PM | Reply

Because I'm addressing Truthsquats and Specks

#232 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:41 PM | Reply

9/11 was an outlier too compared to Pearl Harbor
#229 | Posted by wisgod a

Trump is an outlier on morality (aka immorality) and intelligence and corruption and being a traitor and incompetence (though W was close).

#233 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:42 PM | Reply

Nice try Truth. Collect today's "Thick" Award

#234 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:42 PM | Reply

9/11 was an outlier too compared to Pearl Harbor
#229 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Both were the impetus to war that included death and dismemberment.

And you feel 1,300 illegals getting busted at the border (i.e., effective policing measures already in place being implemented) justifies a similar national emergency?

That. Speaks. Volumes.

#235 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:42 PM | Reply

Why are you ignoring it?

Wisgod?

He's a mouth breathing Trumpaholic, who lives in Wisconsin and has never seen a brown person in his life. But is ecstatic the wall is getting built because he's sure everything bad that's happened to him his entire life is due to brown people.

See also Nullifidian.

#236 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 04:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Because I'm addressing Truthsquats and Specks
#232 | Posted by wisgod

I suppose babbling like an idiot does qualify as addressing.

#237 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:43 PM | Reply

Because I'm addressing Truthsquats and Specks
#232 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Chosen ignorance is a stinky cologne.

Now's your opportunity to get fresh.

#238 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:43 PM | Reply

You gonna start bitching about the electoral college or Wisconsin now, cupcake?

#239 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:44 PM | Reply

meat puppet? cupcake? talking about my sore ass?

Wis you have issues.

#240 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:47 PM | Reply

Here, WISGOD, I'll make this simple for you, since you seem a little slow today:

Thanks, Obama: Here's the Obama Executive Order Trump Is Using to Build the Wall

As it turns out, back in 2011 then-President Barack Obama issued an executive order "blocking property of transnational criminal organizations organizations." Obama cited his authority as granted through the Constitution to invoke the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. 1701, and the National Emergencies Act, 50 U.S.C. 1601. The latter is the same legislation that Trump is citing to get funding for the wall to achieve his immigration reform goals. That executive order targeted a number of criminal organizations, including the Mexican Los Zetas cartel, an ally of the MS-13 gang President Trump has regularly called out as a danger to Americans.
"Drugs, gangs and people -- an invasion," Trump said on Friday. "We have an invasion coming into this country."

Trump all but thanked his predecessor on Friday.
"We may be using one of the national emergencies that [Obama] signed having to do with criminal cartels ... it's a very good national emergency ... we're going to be using parts of it," he said.

www.drudge.com

And below is an interesting response to the article:

uselesslegs • an hour ago
The context under which this happened is being ignored. Obama wasn't fighting/pushing this by insisting funding should be taken from other agencies to get required monies. Congress appropriated separate funding. This isn't to say that I don't think executive powers need to be reigned in a bit. Bush pushed the envelope and Obama pushed it further...but with instances involving Bush and Obama, I can't find any executive emergency powers enacted that took allocation from other agencies funding.

Now you can continue to choose ignorance or take the time to recognize the context that is being inserted within this thread...finally.

#241 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:47 PM | Reply

He did it 10 times. Try the DACA order next. That was free, right?

#242 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:51 PM | Reply

Wis,

Did Obama cite a national emergency as the reason for the blatantly unconstitutional DACA?

#243 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 04:52 PM | Reply

He did it 10 times.
#242 | POSTED BY WISGOD

With Congress voting on a bill to fund it each and every time.

Trump is not doing that because it's Congress, Senate Republicans more specifically, that do not want the wall.

#244 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 04:54 PM | Reply

Congress appropriated separate funding? For an Emergency Order? Link? I'd like to see some dates on both

#245 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:55 PM | Reply

Ann Coulter is raining fire on the bloated child rapist.

Ann Coulter fired back at President Trump on Friday, stating that "the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot" in a radio interview on Friday afternoon.

#246 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-02-15 04:55 PM | Reply

DACA was executive branch's use of discretion not a reallocation of funds. Oh and not declared a national emergency. Do try again.

Or are you still waiting for talking points?

#247 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:56 PM | Reply

Which ones don't want a wall? Link? And it better not have a shutdown tie.

#248 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:57 PM | Reply

Congress appropriated separate funding? For an Emergency Order? Link? I'd like to see some dates on both
#245 | Posted by wisgod a

It wasn't an emergency order dummy.

#249 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 04:57 PM | Reply

Altogether, Clinton declared 17 national emergencies, Bush, 13, and Obama, 12, according to a list compiled by the Brennan Center .

#250 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 04:59 PM | Reply

yes, actual emergencies

#251 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-15 05:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#245 | POSTED BY WISGOD

I've done enough homework for you.

B. Hussein did not directly re-appropriate monies for his emergencies.

You can look for yourself.

#252 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Comrade WizzedOn and his whataboutism, which is a tactic used by the soviets during the Cold War, but then again WizzedOn knows that.

#253 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-15 05:02 PM | Reply

I'm fine with letting play out. We'll see who wins and loses.

#254 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 05:06 PM | Reply

Mexico was supposed to pay for the wall. Trump swore they would. Hundreds of times.

All this crap about a wall was conjured up as a campaign issue. Trump doesn't actually give the first flying ---- about a wall except for the fact he got bullied by a woman with a foot long neck and longer fingers than he has.

Trump has had dozens of illegal aliens working at his properties for many years.

Pipeline Of Illegal Trump Employees Goes Back Years

Attorneys representing Morales, Diaz, two of the undocumented employees who've recently gone public, and other former Trump workers say that the real caravan isn't one made up of asylum-seekers, but instead of workers going to the New Jersey club, where management even helped some procure fake paperwork. "Bedminster golf course employed so many undocumented immigrants," tweeted Washington Post reporter David Fahrenthold, "that there's an entire town in Costa Rica built on Trump paychecks."

#255 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 05:12 PM | Reply

We'll see who wins and loses.

Winners: the Rich.

Losers: the rest of America.

#256 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Altogether, Clinton declared 17 national emergencies, Bush, 13, and Obama, 12, according to a list compiled by the Brennan Center.

Were they actually emergencies.

Or was the emergency just a bruised ego?

#257 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:16 PM | Reply

Trump's Wall Reportedly a Gimmick Campaign Aides Came Up With So He'd Remember to Talk Immigration

President Donald Trump's obsession with a border wall with Mexico has now kept the government partially shut for three weeks. But the commander in chief didn't always think it was such an essential idea. In fact, it started out as a gimmick, or, as the New York Times calls it, "a mnemonic device of sorts." During the time when Trump was weighing his presidential candidacy, aides wanted to come up with a way to help him remember to talk about getting tough on immigration, which was always seen as a key issue in his campaign.

Political advisers Sam Nunberg and Roger Stone apparently came up with the idea. "How do we get him to continue to talk about immigration?" Nunberg claims he told Stone. "We're going to get him to talk about he's going to build a wall." The plan worked like a charm. Trump talked about immigration in his speeches, and the wall narrative got huge reactions from the crowd, which obviously thrilled Trump. So he kept pushing the idea harder and harder.

#258 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 05:20 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Pissgod is the perfect example of arguing with a trumptilian

he is immune to facts
he whatabouts
he posts lies and ignores when he is called out on being a liar
he gets his ass kicked and declares victory

#259 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 05:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Clown, if he's not collecting it but redirecting it, how does it affect rich or poor?

#260 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 05:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#259

He's Nulli's brother in arms.

Together. They will spout so much stupid shht.

#261 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:22 PM | Reply

So you win, Truth. Feel better? Your like a woman who didn't get a valentine card. Sorry!

#262 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 05:24 PM | Reply

Thread isn't about Jerry Brown's moondoggle express.

#221 | Posted by nullifidian

Deflector shields on captain! Don't address the effectiveness of the actual wall!

#263 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Words too big again, Clown?

#264 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 05:25 PM | Reply

Clown, if he's not collecting it but redirecting it, how does it affect rich or poor?
#260 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Because there are many better uses for that money other than stroking Trump's ego.

It effects the poor because the rich have decreased their contribution to the tax pool.

If Trump really wanted this wall, why did Republicans spend 2017 and 2018 so focused on giving the rich a tax cut?

Come on Wis. You're not actually this dumb. Are you?

#265 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:26 PM | Reply

Words too big again, Clown?
#264 | POSTED BY WISGOD

To carry?

Is this considered an insult in Bumpkin, Wisconsin?

#266 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"During his free-associative remarks from the Rose Garden, Trump said that he is officially declaring a national emergency in order to access funds to build his border wall. He also plans to reallocate approximately $8 billion in agency funds. Many Republicans have expressed misgivings about the move, and Trump's decision serves as a test of their willingness to oppose the president. In response, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said they'll take action "in the Congress, in the Courts, and in the public."

Trump, in his speech, seemed to undermine his own case for the national emergency: "I can do the wall over a longer period of time. I didn't need to do this," the president said."

- Atlantic

#267 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 05:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If Trump really wanted this wall, why did Republicans spend 2017 and 2018 so focused on giving the rich a tax cut?

And never funding his wall.

#268 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 05:31 PM | Reply

If Trump really wanted this wall, why did Republicans spend 2017 and 2018 so focused on giving the rich a tax cut?

Paul Ryan never lifted a finger to give Trump his wall.

At least Janesville, WI residents know where to direct their vitriol now that Paul Ryan is a private citizen again.

Who left Congress with a 12% approval rating.

#269 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 05:36 PM | Reply

There is no National Emergency.

Other than the fact that we have a criminal as our Prescient who thinks he can circumvent the will of Congress by declaring a situation he created an "emergency".

Justice Holmes in Schenck v. United States stated : "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic."

That "falsely" is critical.

How would such a false shout be treated by First Amendment law today?

Knowingly FALSE statements of fact are often constitutionally unprotected for example:

libel, fraud, perjury, and false invasion of privacy...

Presumably this would apply to knowingly speaking falsehoods that can and has caused panic and harm.

The President (and anyone on his staff) that knowingly uses falsehoods as an elected official to create Policy that is likely to cause tangible and immediate harm is likely a

CRIME.

#270 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-15 05:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Prescient? Presidict is better...

#271 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-15 05:39 PM | Reply

Lock Him UP!!!

#272 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-15 05:40 PM | Reply

Of course, when Obama used an EO in regards to immigration, Trump said that was unconstitutional, but now that he's doing it.... in a much different way spending money that the House should be allocating... now it's a super duper yugely Constitutional thing.

#273 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-15 05:41 PM | Reply

Donner,

What Trump is doing is unconstitutional but it's not criminal.

#274 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 05:42 PM | Reply

Cork,

Both sets of actions are/were unconstitutional.

#275 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 05:43 PM | Reply

President Trump Shouldn't Fear Legal Battles If He Declares Border Security A National Emergency (Part II)

bigleaguepolitics.com

#276 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donnie dumb-dumb:

kylegriffin1 @kylegriffin1

Likely to be used in future lawsuits: Trump on his national emergency declaration: "I didn't need to do this. But I'd rather do it much faster ... I just want to get it done faster." Via CNN

twitter.com

#277 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 05:54 PM | Reply

Of course, when Obama used an EO in regards to immigration, Trump said that was unconstitutional, but now that he's doing it.... in a much different way spending money that the House should be allocating... now it's a super duper yugely Constitutional thing.

#273 | Posted by Corky

Same thing with golf. One particular user here used to bitch about incessantly when Obama was in the WH.

"I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." --Donald J. Trump, August, 2016

President Trump's visits to the golf course outpace Barack Obama's ...

President Trump has gone to golf courses more than 100 times since taking office ...

Cost to Taxpayers: About $87,000,000

#278 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 05:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Many Presidents Have Declared Emergencies -- But Not Like Trump Has

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, presidents have declared national emergencies 60 times (including Trump) since the power was codified in 1976. Although the law -- passed in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and Watergate -- gave Congress the right to challenge an emergency declaration, most have been uncontroversial.

"There's rarely been a problem," Trump said. "They sign it. Nobody cares. I guess they weren't very exciting."

Trump's declaration differs from many of those earlier emergencies. About three-quarters of the time, presidents use their emergency power to impose economic sanctions or limit trade with foreign parties. Then-President Jimmy Carter, for example, declared an emergency to limit business dealings with Iran. George H.W. Bush did the same with Iraq. And Barack Obama used emergency powers to limit transactions with Libya.

Critics say Trump's declaration is categorically different, in that the president is using his power to fund a border wall far bigger and more expensive than Congress was willing to pay for.

www.npr.org

#279 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Critics say Trump's declaration is categorically different, in that the president is using his power to fund a border wall far bigger and more expensive than Congress was willing to pay for."

Bears repeating!

Congressional Republicans did not and do not want Trump's wall.

#280 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 06:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No wonder Ann Coulter is calling him an idiot:

Josh Dawsey @jdawsey1 (WH Reporter @WashingtonPost)

"I didn't need to do this," Trump says of the national emergency. So is it an emergency?

#281 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 06:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Donner,

What Trump is doing is unconstitutional but it's not criminal.

#274 | Posted by JeffJ

Whaaa?

If you violate the Constitution that is not a crime? You must be a Republcian!!!

The Constitution is a Law.... upon with ALL laws are based... is it not?

It's a crime to re appropriate funds that Congress has already appropriated for other purposes....

When Congress appropriates money that is the Law.

Re appropriation of funds without the consent of Congress is federal crime. People lose their careers and go to jail for that.

Donald J. Trump is a just a People, too.

#282 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-15 06:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump: We're going to build a 20' wall!!

21' Ladders & Shovels defeat that pronto.

Technology and personnel are the only real answers to stopping illegal border crossings.

And for Trump properties to quit hiring all those illegal immigrants they get fake documents for

Pipeline Of Illegal Trump Employees Goes Back Years

#283 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 06:21 PM | Reply

If Trump really wanted this wall, why did Republicans spend 2017 and 2018 so focused on giving the rich a tax cut?

#265 | Posted by ClownShack

This seems to be the question that makes trump's cult members vanish from a thread.

If our nation is experiencing an emergency, why did repubs ignore it for 2 years? Did it only become an emergency in 2019, when the level of border crossings is LOWER than before?

If our nation is experiencing an emergency, why were tax cuts for the rich the republicans' first priority? Were they experiencing an even BIGGER emergency of not being able to buy new yachts?

#284 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 06:24 PM | Reply

Don't forget to ice your wrists, big thinkers!

#285 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 06:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Afraid they might vote for their employer instead of Democrats, stupid?

#286 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 06:44 PM | Reply

#258 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY AT 2019-02-15 05:20 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Hilarious. Trump doesn't even believe in his core beliefs. He's just an angry, hateful pig lashing out. The actual wall is immaterial.

#287 | Posted by cbob at 2019-02-15 06:47 PM | Reply

But whizgod is totally on board!

#288 | Posted by cbob at 2019-02-15 06:50 PM | Reply

So were Democrats if you had enough balls to admit it. Never mind. That would make you a man

#289 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 06:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Don't forget to ice your wrists, big thinkers!

#285 | Posted by wisgod

Answer the questions in #284, cult member.

#290 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 06:58 PM | Reply

Explain the existing walls, who approved them or keep using that cucumber with burrs to make you irritated

#291 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 06:59 PM | Reply

Republicans are part of the swamp, dummy. Btw, 2+2 is 4

#292 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 07:00 PM | Reply

Republicans are part of the swamp, dummy. Btw, 2+2 is 4

#292 | Posted by wisgod

Funny, I only hear trump saying democrats want open borders. He's never said that about repubs. Yet the reason we have no wall is because trump and the repubs did nothing to build the wall when they had total control. Tax cuts for the rich were more important. He only started caring about the wall when dems took the house. Why do you think that is?

#293 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Goodnight simpletons. Don't forget to watch Rachel. She'll show you how smart you can be without a dick

#294 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 07:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

You think the Republicans backed him? Get an MRI on your head.

#295 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 07:08 PM | Reply

"Hilarious. Trump doesn't even believe in his core beliefs. He's just an angry, hateful pig lashing out. The actual wall is immaterial."

The wall was never a real concern for Trump. It was a device cooked up by Roger Stone, Sam Nunberg and Steve Bannon to get Trump to talk about illegal immigration:

Where The Idea For Donald Trump's Wall Came From

Donald Trump's plan to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border did not come from security analysts following years of study or through evidence that a wall would reduce illegal immigration. Amazingly, for something so central to the current U.S. president, the wall came about as a "mnemonic device" thought up by a pair of political consultants to remind Donald Trump to talk about illegal immigration.

www.forbes.com

#296 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 07:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think the Republicans backed him? Get an MRI on your head.
#295 | POSTED BY WISGOD

They clearly didn't otherwise the wall appropriations bill would have been passed through congress sometime between February 2017 and December 2018.

But. It. Wasn't.

#297 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-15 07:09 PM | Reply

Explain the existing walls, who approved them or keep using that cucumber with burrs to make you irritated

#291 | POSTED BY WISGOD

The existing walls are literally tens of miles in high population areas. Not hundreds of miles as is being proposed.

Any other idiotic comments for the day?

#298 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-15 07:13 PM | Reply

Hellos? Let's remember the wall is a friggin' joke and one that Trump didn't even like at first:

Joshua Green had good access to Trump insiders, including Sam Nunberg, who worked with Stone. "Roger Stone and I came up with the idea of ‘the Wall,' and we talked to Steve [Bannon] about it," according to Nunberg. "It was to make sure he [Trump] talked about immigration."

The concept of the Wall did not click right away with the candidate. "Initially, Trump seemed indifferent to the idea," writes Green. "But in January 2015, he tried it out at the Iowa Freedom Summit, a presidential cattle call put on by David Bossie's group, Citizens United. ‘One of his pledges was, ‘I will build a Wall,' and the place just went nuts,' said Nunberg. Warming to the concept, Trump waited a beat and then added a flourish that brought down the house. ‘Nobody,' he said, ‘builds like Trump.'"

#299 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 07:13 PM | Reply

You think the Republicans backed him? Get an MRI on your head.

#295 | Posted by wisgod

The republicans have done whatever trump wants at every turn. You think they were going to fight him on it if he pushed it?

Trump had all the power and he put this "emergency" on the back burner until he lost the power to "solve" it.

You're getting conned by the worlds most obvious con man.

#300 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I think declaring a national emergency to allocate funds to a border wall is a bad idea, but the histrionics over him declaring a national emergency is ridiculous and partisan. National emergencies have been declared 58 times. 31 are still in force. Many were less of an emergency than border security.

psmag.com

#301 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-02-15 07:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I think declaring a national emergency to allocate funds to a border wall is a bad idea, but the histrionics over him declaring a national emergency is ridiculous and partisan. National emergencies have been declared 58 times. 31 are still in force. Many were less of an emergency than border security.

psmag.com

#301 | Posted by MUSTANG

We need a false equivalency flag on this site.

How many of those 58 times have been expensive pointless actions to fulfill a half baked campaign promise to a bunch of racist morons, where no actual real emergency was occurring?

#302 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 07:42 PM | Reply

We can cut illegal immigration in half simply by closing all of Trump's businesses.

#303 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-02-15 08:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." ― H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

#304 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-15 09:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least with 8ok dying from opioids and 80k dying from gun deaths per year.. - #102 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-02-15 05:30 AM
Thanks for outing yourself as a liar nice and early.

#305 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-15 10:07 PM | Reply

"80k dying from gun deaths per year."

I don't think that's a lie; he includes suicides.

#306 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 10:25 PM | Reply

You should consider 100% of the opioid overdoses suicides, the same way you discount gun suicides.

Congratulations, you solved the "opioid crisis!"

#307 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 10:27 PM | Reply

LOLOLOLOL at the idiots who still think he has any interest whatsoever in building a wall or that he ever did.

#308 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-02-16 01:24 AM | Reply

Mrs,

"Climate change will be a national emergency.
Homelessness will be a national emergency.
Poverty will be a national emergency.
College tuition will be a national emergency.
Name it and it will be a national emergency."

Most likely much of what you wrote is/will be true for the future.

And not just in the US.

On our southern border we are most likely getting only a taste of what can be expected in the years ahead.

Can the US just sit back and allow thousands of people every year to illegally come across the border into a sovereign country?

It's not too hard to believe things will worsen as more resources become strained and people become more desperate.

Law enforcement is not able to adequately deal with the border problem since...well...border patrol in the US doesn't shoot to kill like other countries that use walls to keep people in.

Like was pointed out, there are a list of things that will become more serious problems in the future.

Also, like it or not Trump delivered one of the things people who voted for him wanted and believe is necessary for America's safety and survival.

Don't hand me that crap about being anti-immigration or anti-Hispanic. That's a straw man and I'm getting weary of that line.

It's the lawlessness and brazen abuse and exploitation of America's system of government.

It's been fairly obvious to some people for a long time physical barriers are inevitable whether we like it or not.

#309 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-02-16 03:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's been fairly obvious to some people for a long time physical barriers are inevitable whether we like it or not.

#309 | Posted by BillJohnson at 2019-02-16 03:04 AM | Reply

Let's empower a dictator for "some" people

#310 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-16 06:50 AM | Reply

Don't hand me that crap about being anti-immigration or anti-Hispanic.

309 | Posted by BillJohnson a

You want to be part of post-democracy America, Bill. You aren't going to get your wish.

#311 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-16 06:53 AM | Reply

She'll show you how smart you can be without a dick

#294 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-15 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag: | Funny: 3

Nice change of pace from you showing how stupid someone can be without one.

#312 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-16 06:54 AM | Reply

When Mexico writes the check Trump swore he'd make them write - the other half of his promise- he can build walls and gold plate them with "TRUMP" engraved on it every mile for all I care.

But Mexico isn't paying for the wall.

Why should I want my tax money paying for it when there is no emergency and border agents say it isn't necessary.

#313 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-16 07:11 AM | Reply

The courts will axe this before it gets rolling.

little donnie dollhands knows it. He's counting on it.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL at any idiot who thinks this is going to happen or even that he wants it to happen.

#314 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-02-16 07:30 AM | Reply

he's counting on scotus ruling in his favor.

in 2 years so he can use this as a campaign tool.

#315 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-16 08:06 AM | Reply

Gillibrand joins Open Borders Beto...

Ryan Saavedra

@RealSaavedra

Democrat Senator Kirsten Gillibrand on removing existing border barriers: "I could support it"
2,796
10:38 AM - Feb 15, 2019

#316 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-16 09:22 AM | Reply

Immigration is a profitable Capitalist strategy for keeping profit margins by breaking labor unions. Capitalists hate regulations and will poison the earth in order to maximize personal profits. The strategy is to externalize as many costs as possible and make others pay them.

Trump used foreign labor until it became a political liability, then he threw those workers out on the street.

Trump maximizes profits by not cleaning up after himself and he has bestowed the same privileges on his political allies.

Trump seeks to reduce cold war tensions with Russia, which is good for everyone except cold war profiteers. Yet oddly he simultaneously is threatening war against smaller countries like Iran and Venezuela, which is evil.

No fault of Trump, we cannot compete with China, yet Germany is doing fine, by socializing many worker costs thereby keeping capitalist ventures profitable.

Our Government should establish policies which improve the quality of the lives of the 99%. This goal conflicts with the maximization of profits by large corporations. To achieve such a worthy goal growth must be curtailed. But this must be accomplished without coercion. Free excellent education is essential to this end. The final outcome should zero or negative population growth.

#317 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-16 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Immigration is a profitable Capitalist strategy for keeping profit margins by breaking labor unions.

Which is why Cesar Chavez led protests against illegal immigration when he was organizing the United Farm Workers.

#318 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-16 09:54 AM | Reply

...I didn't need to do this," the president said.

Isn't that pretty much the opposite of an emergency?

#319 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-02-16 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"It's been fairly obvious to some people for a long time physical barriers are inevitable whether we like it or not."

As if 90 miles of water isn't a physical barrier but Cubans didn't let that stop them now did it? Physical barriers are just impediments causing those who want to enter America to be a little more ingenuitive like maybe have a ladder. It ain't rocket science to get over a fence.

#320 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-16 11:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What Trump is doing is unconstitutional but it's not criminal.

#274 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-02-15 05:42 PM | FLAG:
"

LMAO.

#321 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-16 01:56 PM | Reply

Trump seeks to reduce cold war tensions with Russia

#317 | Posted by bayviking

Trump doesnt care about cold war tensions. He cares about putin's kompromat on him.

#322 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-16 02:15 PM | Reply

It goes without saying that I'm against this.

#323 | Posted by Tor at 2019-02-16 03:24 PM | Reply

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made -- putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.

Real reform means establishing a responsible pathway to earned citizenship -- a path that includes passing a background check, paying taxes and a meaningful penalty, learning English, and going to the back of the line behind the folks trying to come here legally.

#324 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-02-16 05:24 PM | Reply

PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON: "All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country.

The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens

#325 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-02-16 05:26 PM | Reply

in 2006, 80 U.S. Senators, including Senator Schumer himself, along with Senators Obama, Biden, Clinton, Bill Nelson, Debbie Stabenow, and many others supported a bill that authorized 700 miles of fencing on our southern border.

In the House, 64 Democrats voted for the 700 miles of border fencing, including then Rep. Sherrod Brown.

#326 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-02-16 05:28 PM | Reply

"Well, look I voted numerous times when I was a Senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in and I do think you have to control your borders," Clinton said. (Hillary)
Other notable Democratic Senators who supported the legislation include Vice President Joe Biden (Del.), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.), and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y).

#327 | Posted by Maverick at 2019-02-16 05:31 PM | Reply

Scumming down America
-DemoRats

#328 | Posted by Greatamerican at 2019-02-16 06:37 PM | Reply

Maverick- Let me know when you approach something resembling a point.

#329 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-16 09:03 PM | Reply

DemoRats

#328 | Posted by Greatamerican

The fact that the alt right shares the exact same unoriginal insults is only further evidence of their lack of intelligence.

#330 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-17 01:34 AM | Reply

SPEAK

"The fact that the alt right shares the exact same unoriginal insults is only further evidence of their lack of intelligence."

And insecurity. Trump does the same thing with his derogatory name calling. So did George Bush.

They share the same insults because the alt-right puts them in print and tosses them out (like rolls of paper towels in Puerto Rico.) It's the monkey see, monkey do syndrome.

Anyway, that's the way it's written in Joseph Goebbels' propaganda handbook.

#331 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-02-17 04:51 AM | Reply

Monkey Doo Syndrome is what ----- Republicans get. They smears feces on their faces when they put on their blackface and steal your grandparents' life savings. Bunch of -------------.

#332 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2019-02-17 08:35 AM | Reply

As if 90 miles of water isn't a physical barrier but Cubans didn't let that stop them now did it? Physical barriers are just impediments causing those who want to enter America to be a little more ingenuitive like maybe have a ladder. It ain't rocket science to get over a fence.

#320 | Posted by danni

There are dozens of recent videos of people digging under it too.

Here are some YouTube search results ('digging under border fence'):

www.youtube.com

#333 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-17 07:55 PM | Reply

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