Drudge Retort: The Other Side of the News
Thursday, February 14, 2019

Amazon on Thursday canceled its plans to build an expansive corporate campus in New York City after facing an unexpectedly fierce backlash from some lawmakers and union leaders, who contended that a tech giant did not deserve nearly $3 billion in government incentives.

More

Comments

Admin's note: Participants in this discussion must follow the site's moderation policy. Profanity will be filtered. Abusive conduct is not allowed.

I was under the impression Amazon didn't ask for any tax breaks.

This point should be made clear. Amazon is not a Foxconn.

Amazon hires Americans at good wages and gives them a share of the company. It is one of the few American companies that is doing that.

#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 12:13 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

So no tax break for the richest guy in the world BUT no jobs either. Ain't socialism grand? Thanks AOC-EIEIO!

#2 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-02-14 12:17 PM | Reply

A victory for AOC over the governor and mayor. lol. Who's running that state?

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 12:17 PM | Reply


@#1

I watched local NYC TV news each evening. Here's what I've gleaned...

Amazon got $3 billion in incentives, which includes tax breaks. Amazon was not going to contribute anything to the infrastructure upgrades needed to accommodate the influx of employees. For example, the current subway line serving the area is woefully under capacity for the HQ.

There was a lot of resentment of the people in the area because the whole deal was negotiated in private with no public input.

From what I've been seeing on the NYC newscasts, The HQ would effectively take a neighborhood, kick everyone out, and import Amazon workers.

Then there were the stories of Amazon-affiliated people buying up real estate cheaply before the deal was announced. That may have left a bad feeling in the area.

From my eyes, the deal may or may not be good for NYC, but the manner in which it was dumped upon the people of NYC may have been the thing that killed it.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 12:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#2 ... Who's running that state? ...

The people.

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 12:22 PM | Reply

@#3

resentment of the people

maybe

resentment by the people

would be better phrasing.

In other words, the people in the area resented how city officials dump the HQ on them without any public input.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 12:24 PM | Reply

Amazon hires Americans at good wages and gives them a share of the company. It is one of the few American companies that is doing that.
#1 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

That is because they are a monopoly, similar to a socialist country ... they are destroying other local companies and ruining local economies.

They are a virtual WalMart.

I always find it interesting that Microsoft and WalMart was the most hated company in the 90's be the left.

Today you have companies running amok in ways Microsoft couldn't imagine, but the lefties love them, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook.

Weird times.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-14 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Today you have companies running amok in ways Microsoft couldn't imagine, but the lefties love them, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook.
Weird times.

#6 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

That's because these tech companies have steeped themselves in LW dogma. It's kind of like an insurance policy - they are buying indulgences from the SJW mob much in the same way the Catholic Church sold indulgences in Medieval times.

That Google, Youtube, Twitter and Facebook occasionally discriminate against conservatives and conservative viewpoints only strengthens these companies in the eyes of the SJW crowd.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 12:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


Here's how one news site summarized it...

Amazon cancels plans to build portion of HQ2 in New York City
www.axios.com

...Why it matters, via Axios' David McCabe: This is a huge surprise. The deal was built -- with the support of Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio -- to avoid almost all scrutiny from elected officials. But it turns out one of the world's most valuable companies would rather fold than continue confronting the aggressive backlash from the city's community activists and municipal officials....

From what I've seen on the local NYC news, that's quite the accurate assessment.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 12:37 PM | Reply

Thank you Lamplighter ! ! ! !

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 02:29 PM | Reply

I looked into this more and Amazon is NOT getting any preferred tax break. The numbers are quoting tax incentives set up for all companies. Amazon did not ask for any special treatment.

www.gothamgazette.com

"And while a look at the programs in question reveals that Amazon doesn't appear to be getting tax incentives or breaks that wouldn't be available to other large employers who set up shop in New York, economists and budget watchdogs suggest the outrage over the tax break package Amazon is getting presents an opportunity to reexamine New York's use of subsidies to entice companies. "

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 02:37 PM | Reply

This was posted at 12:13pm. www.drudge.com

#12 | Posted by gracieamazed at 2019-02-14 04:39 PM | Reply


@#11 ... Amazon did not ask for any special treatment. ...

That's true, with regard to the tax incentives.

Then there's the heliport and ... :)

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 04:43 PM | Reply

the lefties love them, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook.

Except the actual left are the ones who stopped Amazon from building in NYC. Could you and Jeff be more out of touch with reality?

#14 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 04:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

-Then there were the stories of Amazon-affiliated people buying up real estate cheaply before the deal was announced.

There is cheap real estate in New York?

#15 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-14 05:11 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

It's cheaper before you know Amazon is setting up shop. It's why Walt Disney kept Walt Disney World under wraps as best he could. The local real estate around it skyrocketed in value.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-14 05:20 PM | Reply

#1 But no pee breaks?

#17 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-02-14 05:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Today you have companies running amok in ways Microsoft couldn't imagine, but the lefties love them

#7 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

I see a majority of progressives who "love" them. Got any proof of that?

#18 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-02-14 06:14 PM | Reply

I don't see....

#19 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-02-14 06:14 PM | Reply

"Today you have companies running amok in ways Microsoft couldn't imagine."

Other companies have a strong record of doing things Microsoft couldn't imagine.

Netscape Navigator for example.
VisiCalc, WordPerfect, Apple.
Basically every tech company.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 06:17 PM | Reply

Does Amazon smell chum in the water (recession) and is drawing upon various scapegoats (AOC), events and demonstrations to Escape From New York?
www.youtube.com

#21 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-02-14 06:28 PM | Reply


@#15 ... There is cheap real estate in New York? ...

Good point.

I should have said something along the lines of "cheap for NYC" or "relatively cheap."

thx.

#22 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 06:39 PM | Reply


Just got through the 6 o'clock NYC news.

Generalities (very general generalities):

"On the street interviews"

People in favor: restaurant owners, owner of th elocal coffee shop

People not in favor: parents with kids, bicycle shop owner, people renting in the area


There's a lot of noise this evening, but one thing seems to keep coming to the forefront --- this deal was negotiated without public input, or even the input of city politicians and official.


#23 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 06:48 PM | Reply

So they don't want thousands of middle class, white collar jobs. The company didn't ask for a thing. The company is American. The company will likely exist for a generation.

Liberals are not ready to run this country.

We need middle of the road folks.

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 06:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1


@#24 ... So they don't want thousands of middle class, white collar jobs. ...

As I said earlier, I really don't care one way or the other on this. NYC (especially the Long Island City part of Queens) is all but the other side of the planet for me.

But I think you may be missing the part where the people who live there feel betrayed by the Mayor of NYC and the Governor of NY.

As one person said on the news this evening, the space will be developed sooner than later. It is a prime area. They just want someone to develop it who will be a part of the community, and not someone who will destroy the community.

To your comment, "Liberals are not ready to run this country." --- what do you call Mayor DeBlasio and Gov Cuomo?

This really doesn't look to me to be about politics, it is more about politicians not involving the community in things that affect the community. A real Drain the Swamp type of thing. OK, well, yeah, everything is about politics, but this is different. ;)

#25 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 07:10 PM | Reply


@#24 ... We need middle of the road folks. ...

fwiw, I agree with this in general. I do prefer to have some less middle of the road folks involved to keep a good debate going, but in my ideal world, the majority should be in the left-center to right-center range.

#26 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 07:13 PM | Reply

"So they don't want thousands of middle class, white collar jobs."

What happens to rent when thousands of middle class white collar workers show up and demand housing?

Rents in Seattle have doubled in the past decade. Who benefits from that? Not renters.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 07:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Liberals are not ready to run this country.
We need middle of the road folks.

#24 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-02-14 06:49 PM | REPLY

NY's upcoming re-districting is going to be very, very interesting. The centrist establishment controls how it's done. They have to remove 1 district. The expectation is that a highly visible progressive head will roll.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-14 07:36 PM | Reply

"..what do you call Mayor DeBlasio and Gov Cuomo? "

When considering whether or to recruit these jobs to their state/city?

They are pro jobs. Liberal or conservative doesn't matter, really.

#29 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-14 07:40 PM | Reply

What happens to rent when thousands of middle class white collar workers show up and demand housing?
Rents in Seattle have doubled in the past decade. Who benefits from that? Not renters.

#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-14 07:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The idea, Snoofy, is that the poor can get a better paying job at Amazon. Build that middle class.

Society doesn't work when the 1% is the only one with money. That's what you're advocating.

#30 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 07:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"But I think you may be missing the part where the people who live there feel betrayed by the Mayor of NYC and the Governor of NY.
....
As one person said on the news this evening, the space will be developed sooner than later. It is a prime area. They just want someone to develop it who will be a part of the community, and not someone who will destroy the community.
To your comment, "Liberals are not ready to run this country." --- what do you call Mayor DeBlasio and Gov Cuomo? "

In my understanding, they were influenced by the anti Amazon populist fringes. Right now, that's a far left and right issue.

So I change my statement. It's populism that is ruining everything.

#31 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 07:46 PM | Reply

Friends in Austin are currently getting calls from Amazon with job offers. They began shortly after this announcement.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-14 07:49 PM | Reply

NYC is rich and poor.

It would be better off with more middle class.

They just lost that chance.

This is why Bernie and his idiot followers are not qualified to run society.

#33 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 07:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Turns out Amazon didn't want it's workers unionized.

#34 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-14 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"As one person said on the news this evening, the space will be developed sooner than later. It is a prime area. They just want someone to develop it who will be a part of the community, and not someone who will destroy the community."

"So I change my statement. It's populism that is ruining everything."

"It would be better off with more middle class. They just lost that chance."

All that in the course of four minutes. Be careful, you're likely to get whiplash talking out of both sides of your mouth like that.

#35 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-02-14 08:00 PM | Reply


@#30 ... the poor can get a better paying job at Amazon ...

The talk has been about the ~influx of hi-tech $150k per year workers~ no mention of the poor.

#36 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#33> ... It would be better off with more middle class. ...

It would be better off with a company coming in to help the poor move to the middle class.

The Amazon deal would only replace the poor with the middle class.


A developer coming in should be to the benefit of those who are there, not force those who are there to leave.

 

#37 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 08:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Friends in Austin are currently getting calls from Amazon with job offers.

If amazon moves to Austin, that would be even worse traffic for the ACL area. It's already horrible lol

#38 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-14 08:09 PM | Reply

"The idea, Snoofy, is that the poor can get a better paying job at Amazon. Build that middle class."

If the poor had the job skills to get what you called a "middle class white collar job" at Amazon, they'd already be working on Wall Street or Silicon Alley.

Amazon won't source just from local talent. They'll bring it in from all over.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 09:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It would be better off with a company coming in to help the poor move to the middle class.
The Amazon deal would only replace the poor with the middle class.

A developer coming in should be to the benefit of those who are there, not force those who are there to leave.

#37 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-02-14 08:09 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Now, I ain't sayin' you a gold digger, you got needs
You don't want a dude to smoke but he can't buy weed
You go out to eat, he can't pay, y'all can't leave
There's dishes in the back, he gotta roll up his sleeves
But while y'all washin', watch him
He gon' make it to a Benz out of that Datsun
He got that ambition, baby, look at his eyes
This week he moppin' floors, next week it's the fries
So stick by his side
I know there's dudes ballin', and yeah, that's nice
And they gonna keep callin' and tryin', but you stay right, girl
And when you get on, he'll leave yo' ass for a white girl

-k. West 2020

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 09:27 PM | Reply

Amazon won't source just from local talent. They'll bring it in from all over.

#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-14 09:20 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Ignorance. They hire locally. Don't forget I'm from KC. Amazon came.

#41 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 09:28 PM | Reply

They bring in the middle class and everyone is better off.

Are the citizens all going to become AOC and go from bartending to congress? Or are they better off with Amazon and a few thousand good jobs?

#42 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 09:30 PM | Reply

@#40

OK I read the lyrics.

Soooo... what are you trying to say?

#43 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 09:34 PM | Reply

"They bring in the middle class and everyone is better off."

It might be a net gain but it won't lift all boats.

You're not addressing the fact that white collar middle class people don't need a jobs program, they can already get jobs.

"Are the citizens all going to become AOC and go from bartending to congress?"

About as many will do that as go from bartending to white collar Amazon jobs.

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 09:34 PM | Reply

Today you have companies running amok in ways Microsoft couldn't imagine, but the lefties love them, Amazon, Google, Apple, Facebook.

Weird times.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris

I always get my info about what lefties like and dont like from trump cult members. They're always so full of accurate information. Believe me. Believe me.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-14 09:38 PM | Reply

@#41 ... They hire locally ...

If you had said they hire from the neighborhood, that would be different.

You say you are from Kansas City. I ask you to be aware that "locally" in KC may mean something very different than "locally" in NYC.

In NYC, it means withing a few blocks.

NYC is very much consisting of small very close neighborhoods that come together as a major metropolis.

"Locally" mean your neighborhood.

If Amazon were to pull in $150K per year workers from SoHo in Manhattan, the people in Long Island City, Queens would not consider them to be local workers.

#46 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 09:42 PM | Reply


As an aside to this (and thanks to the BruceBanner alias for hanging in there and discussing this rationally with me...), I am viewing this very significant local event as it has been raised to the national political level.

And I've become frightened.

And encouraged.

[opinion follows, beware...]

Here we have on stage for all to see, the Governor of New York and the Mayor of New York City kowtowing to a very major corporation, willing to sell out the people of a close-knit neighborhood for the promise of gentrification.

Populism. Ya gotta love it.

:)

[OK, I'll step off my soap box quietly now... No need for Tasers to my genitalia]

#47 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 09:51 PM | Reply

#44 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-14 09:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Now you're just being wilfully ingorant. Go soak your head.

#48 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 10:17 PM | Reply

The song means it's better to start somewhere and move your way up.

That's possible with Amazon.

People act like they bring in the 100k (not everyone gets 150k) and there are no other salaries. There are other positions too.

I ask you which company provides more good jobs? Amazon is the new auto plant.

#49 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 10:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"kowtowing to a very major corporation"

I have yet to see evidence of that.

#50 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-14 10:20 PM | Reply

I'll guess that if Amazon decides to do a second HQ2 it'll be in either Austin or Nashville.

It would make sense for them to come to Nashville. They'd be in proximity to the 5000 employee tech ops center they're building right now on a 16 acre plot on an old downtown rail yard. Amazon could rent office space in some of the other towers being built on the site until they decide where to build the HQ2 building.

#51 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-14 10:34 PM | Reply

It would make sense for them to come to Nashville. They'd be in proximity to the 5000 employee tech ops center they're building right now on a 16 acre plot on an old downtown rail yard. Amazon could rent office space in some of the other towers being built on the site until they decide where to build the HQ2 building.

#51 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Open up a Lafayette Coney across the street and that place would be Utopia!

:-)

#52 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 10:35 PM | Reply

#52 | Posted by JeffJ

And Greektown!!

#53 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-14 10:38 PM | Reply

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC

Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon's corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world.

Allan Smith @akarl_smith

.@AOC responding to criticism that by Amazon pulling out of HQ2 in Queens, 25,000 jobs were lost: "We were subsidizing those jobs."

Says if state/city was willing to "give away $3 billion for this deal," investments can be made in hiring teachers and fixing the subway.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:05 PM | Reply

"I ask you which company provides more good jobs? Amazon is the new auto plant."

The new auto plant sucks. There's no pension and no union and it's staffed by part-timers. I think most anyone would be better off working at Starbucks.

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 11:06 PM | Reply

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted FORTUNE
Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.

$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.

Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?

FORTUNE @FortuneMagazine

Amazon will pay $0 in federal income taxes on $11.2 billion in profit.

fortune.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?"

I think Bruce's answer is he's holding AMZN, and/or works there.

#57 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 11:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

So it's a good thing for New York that Amazon pulled out and they won't have those 'subsidized' jobs?

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:10 PM | Reply


@#49 ... The song means it's better to start somewhere and move your way up.

That's possible with Amazon. ...

It is also possible with another company that won't destroy the neighborhood.

Going back to the major issue here...

The deal was negotiated by high-level politicians without consultation with the local people or their representatives.

Let me say that again...

The deal was negotiated by high-level politicians without consultation with the local people or their representatives.

That is critical to understanding how this is being viewed.

The deal screws the local people. The local people [surprise!] do not like the deal because it screws them.

Let me ask you this very direct question, you can choose to just ignore it and pretend it is rhetorical: would you want a very major company to come to your town, and make that town unaffordable for nearly everyone who is living there, but with the promise that the company would bring in people who earn much more than you, to take over your place of residence?

That is what the people of Long Island City, Queens are facing.

Do they want Amazon to come in and make Long Island City so unaffordable that they can no longer live there. And even if they did not want that, they were not consulted, nor were their elected representatives consulted.

Are you that willing to give up the place where you grew up? The place where you are raising your children?

So that Amazon can take over your neighborhood?

#59 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jimmy Van Bramer @JimmyVanBramer (NYCCouncil Member for the 26th District in #Queens)

Defeating an anti-union corporation that mistreats workers and assists ICE in terrorizing immigrant communities is a victory. Defeating an unprecedented act of corporate welfare is a triumph that should change the way we do economic development deals in our city & state forever.

#60 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy,

Banner is simply conveying common sense. Amazon pulling out hurts New York economically, no matter how much AOC argues otherwise.

#61 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:11 PM | Reply

Snoofy,

I'll throw in this friendly piece of advice regarding Banner: Don't make him angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Gal,
So it's a good thing for New York that Amazon pulled out and they won't have those 'subsidized' jobs?"

My first reaction wass that it is not a good thing, but I didn't know anything about the background info LL has been providing. The AOC tweets and the others I found on her twitter page are meant to put forward their side of the story and are not meant as an endorsement by me. I do know that I wouldn't like it if "high level politicians" tried to put bring in a similar deal around here without first consulting with local politicians and residents.

#63 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:17 PM | Reply

Defeating an anti-union corporation that mistreats workers and assists ICE in terrorizing immigrant communities is a victory

Take this guy who Gal quoted with a boulder of salt based upon what's in bold.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:18 PM | Reply

Now you're just being wilfully ingorant. Go soak your head.

#48 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER AT 2019-02-14 10:17 PM

You are just now figuring that out about Snoofy?

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 11:18 PM | Reply

A 'sad day' for New York: Democratic congressman says Amazon backed out of HQ2 deal 'too quickly'

"I think it's a sad day for New York," says Rep. Gregory Meeks, D-N.Y. "This was a long-term investment in the city."

www.cnbc.com

New York's Amazon-adjacent real estate not so prime anymore

Realtors in the Long Island City neighborhood of Queens had been doing brisk business because of Amazon's plans to move to the area - plans that have now been scuttled.

The Amazon-fueled New York City real estate boom just went bust.

www.nbcnews.com

#66 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:21 PM | Reply

I do know that I wouldn't like it if "high level politicians" tried to put bring in a similar deal around here without first consulting with local politicians and residents.

#63 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

Yeah, I completely agree about that.

We bought our current house new construction a couple of years after marrying in '98. Our sub sits on the NW corner of an intersection and it's a bit West of the N/S thoroughfare due to a supposedly protected wetlands on that corner, which is awesome. A few years ago City Council wanted to develop that corner and put in a gas station convenience store (within a 2 mile stretch on that N/S road we have 5 of these and we are not a big community). Well, the battle was bitter but the locals won out on this.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:24 PM | Reply

Amazon had New York City in the bag. Then left-wing activists got fired up.

"This is a huge victory," said Deborah Axt, the co-executive director of Make the Road New York, a nonprofit that works on development issues in Queens. "We are thrilled. This shows that even in today's age, with corporations like Amazon amassing such incredible political power, people standing up together for our neighborhoods and neighbors can actually win."

The decision is a show of force for the resurgent left wing in New York City, a constellation of newly elected lawmakers, activist groups, and engaged citizens who collaborated to oppose the deal. And it is a sign of how deeply concerns about the rising cost of living, decaying infrastructure, and preferential treatment of corporations have permeated the political discussion in the city and beyond.

www.washingtonpost.com

#68 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:27 PM | Reply

I always get my info about what lefties like and dont like from trump cult members. They're always so full of accurate information. Believe me. Believe me.
#45 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Well that explains quite a bit actually...

#69 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-14 11:27 PM | Reply

Then left-wing activists got fired up.

Had nothing to do with left-wing activist, keep spinning ...

Amazon wanted nothing to do with Unions...

‘Productive Meeting' Between Amazon and Unions, Then a Shock
www.nytimes.com

#70 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-14 11:29 PM | Reply

So, this was a battle over unionization?

Gal's sources suggest more than just that.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:31 PM | Reply

"Had nothing to do with left-wing activist, keep spinning ... "

That is the title of the article I posted, not my spin on anything.

#72 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:32 PM | Reply

The Washington Post reported on February 8 that Amazon was "reconsidering" their plan due to "political and community opposition." A February 14 statement from the company said, "A number of state and local politicians [who] have made it clear that they oppose our presence and will not work with us to build the type of relationships required to go forward."

heavy.com

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 11:40 PM | Reply


What really amazes my about the Amazon in NYC, ummmm, issue is the complete disconnect between the national coverage and the local coverage.

[my opinion follows]

note to readers, my opinion follows.

The following is my opinion:

Unfortunately, the 2020 campaign has begun. As such, any significant local political issue instantly becomes a national crisis. Think "Ground Zero Mosque" and "The Caravan" if you doubt. How often do we hear about The Caravan now, even though there is another Caravan approaching our border? (whoops, did I say something I shouldn't have?)

From what I've seen on local news, this is two crucial issues: (1) ~high level politicians~ doing what they may think is good and sellable for their re-election campaigns, and (2) .. I forgot what I was going to say...

Oh yeah, (2) this is a local issue. Repeat, this is a local issue. The People of Long Island City, Queens, have the right to decide the future of their neighborhood. Period. Full Stop.

If this Amazon deal was so great for them, then why did the high-level politicians it kept a secret from them?

Please read that last sentence again.

Thank-you.

#74 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good stuff, Lamp.

#75 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 11:53 PM | Reply

@#73

I like what they do.

They seem to have the [ non-PC word here ] to bust thru the smoke screens.

thx for citing them.

#76 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-14 11:54 PM | Reply

Gal's sources suggest more than just that.
#71 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Of course they do, they want credit ...

#77 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-15 12:00 AM | Reply

@#76

The "I like what they do" was in reference to heavy.com.

The paste part of the copy 'n' paste didn't work.

(I blame the previously mentioned new laptop's keyboard, even though I probably goofed...)

:)

#78 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:02 AM | Reply

If this Amazon deal was so great for them, then why did the high-level politicians it kept a secret from them?

There was no secret and there was no "deal" as bruce mentions ...

Union issue, not subsidies uproar, may have soured Amazon on New York
www.chicagotribune.com

#79 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-15 12:04 AM | Reply

I totally get that Amazon may not have been the Utopian business partner.

Having said that, by rejecting all of the economic benefits that would have ensued these people have zero credibility when they bitch about the poor economic plight a few months from now.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#79 ... Union issue, not subsidies uproar, may have soured Amazon on New York ...

Oh yeah, Amazon is most definitely anti-union. Any corporation that wants to exploit its warehouse workers in the manner that Amazon does will be anti-union.

But the Long Island City Amazon location was planned for $150k workers. Not quite warehouse worker union aspirants, eh?

Taking a step back and looking at the larger picture, the skyrocketing rental prices for Long Island City may have had more of an effect upon those who live in the area than the imagined unionization of $150k professionals imported from Manhattan.

#81 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:19 AM | Reply


@#80

The Long Island City area of Queens is a prime area for development. Amazon realized that. Others also realize that.

Maybe, just maybe, the area residents were quite correct in rejecting the first corporation that came in with the intent to destroy their neighborhood for its benefit.

Maybe the next corporation that looks at the area will not be so selfish as Amazon, and will want to build the area, not destroy it.

Wouldn't you want the same of a corporation that comes into your neighborhood?

[aside: my town hs an economic development group that brings in corporations who are willing to be a positive relationship with the town. It can be done. It has worked here. It is a shame that Amazon did not want to do it with the good folks of Long Island City, Queens, NY.

Corporations can be a contributing factor to a community, not an exploitive factor to a community.

#82 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:29 AM | Reply

Lamp,

Hopefully that's how this works out.

It could end up like Kelo without the court battle.

Time will tell.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 12:32 AM | Reply


Not to put too fine a point on this...

Without knowledge of the representatives of the people affected by this deal or the people affected by this deal.

A deal was made to bring 25,000 employees into their neighborhood.

That is what happened here.

That.

That


Would yo want that to happen to your neighborhood?


#84 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:37 AM | Reply


@#83 ... Hopefully that's how this works out. ...

It will work out OK in the longer term. We're seeing democracy in action, to the dismay of some, I suspect. :)

 

Having grown up in NYC, I know that the people of NYC are admirably resilient. They will deal with whatever is thrown at them.

It is indeed unfortunate, however, that that their elected politicians have thrown massive piles of excrement in their general direction.

You should not have to expect your elected officials to sell you out to a corporation. But, there it is.

It is now up to the people of NY and NYC to decide come the the election day....

#85 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-15 12:50 AM | Reply

AOC torched the proposal immediately, sparking backlash that would boil to the surface of the populist left movement. They made their opposition felt online, even as a poll this month showed that most New Yorkers supported the Amazon expansion. While de Blasio, an avowed liberal, supported the deal, some New York City Council members said they felt slighted by the political process and bristled at purported backroom dealing.

Democrats in the New York State Senate nominated an opponent of the Amazon deal to a board with power to decide the fate of the incentive package. Suddenly, the Democratic electoral surge in the midterms had real consequences. With the ouster of Republican legislators, Democrats in the state Senate were newly empowered. They flexed their muscles.

With Amazon's deal on less sure footing and a potentially bloody political fight ahead of it, the company decided to preemptively retreat. The withdrawal is a defeat for Amazon, de Blasio and Cuomo. Many people will spend the next few weeks debating who was humbled the most.

But there's no question that the about-face is the latest pointed example of the newfound political power of leftist Democrats. On the national scene, insurgent liberals have drawn attention to the Green New Deal and pushed presidential candidates to support Medicare for All. Ocasio-Cortez deserves a lot of credit -- and she wasted no time declaring a populist triumph over Amazon -- but there's some bigger things going on. It was the Democrat-leaning state Senate pulling the levers here; the Congresswoman just helped bring the heat.


So maybe AOC will be able to lead?

#86 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:24 AM | Reply

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Retweeted FORTUNE
Amazon is paying $0 in taxes on $11+ billion in profit.
$0 for schools.
$0 for firefighters.
$0 for infrastructure.
$0 for research and healthcare.
Why should corporations that contribute nothing to the pot be in a position to take billions from the public?
FORTUNE @FortuneMagazine
Amazon will pay $0 in federal income taxes on $11.2 billion in profit.
fortune.com

#56 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-14 11:07 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

This is complete garbage. I hate it so much.

Eff her and everyone who is in her camp.

#87 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@AOC responding to criticism that by Amazon pulling out of HQ2 in Queens, 25,000 jobs were lost: "We were subsidizing those jobs."
Says if state/city was willing to "give away $3 billion for this deal," investments can be made in hiring teachers and fixing the subway.

#54 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-02-14 11:05 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Except that those breaks are for any company and Amazon didn't ask for anything special.

So no, they don't have extra money to hire anyone.

Do you know what would have brought in extra tax dollars? Having tens of thousands of more well paid, will educated, invested, citizens.

#88 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Not to put too fine a point on this...
Without knowledge of the representatives of the people affected by this deal or the people affected by this deal.
A deal was made to bring 25,000 employees into their neighborhood.
That is what happened here.
That.
That

Would yo want that to happen to your neighborhood?

#84 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-02-15 12:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Go ask someone in a dying farm town.

In fact, most New Yorkers supported the plan.

The folks who were scared didn't have anything and will never have anything.

Nobody is coming to help them.

#89 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:31 AM | Reply

You should not have to expect your elected officials to sell you out to a corporation. But, there it is.

It is now up to the people of NY and NYC to decide come the the election day....

#85 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-02-15 12:50 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Where is the sell out?

Growing economic development is the goal.

NYC is NYC because things are happening there.

#90 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:33 AM | Reply

#59 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2019-02-14 11:11 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 1

This is where you really express the heart of the issue.

The answer is that most communities would love to see more people have access to good paying stable jobs.

You guys must have it just good enough to be able to turn down the things others are desperate for.

#91 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:40 AM | Reply

The Sienna College poll was released 3 days ago. Amazon in Queens is supported by 58% of registered voters, 38% against it.

#92 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 07:53 AM | Reply

registered voters in NY specifically.

#93 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 07:54 AM | Reply

"70 percent of black New Yorkers and 81 percent of Hispanic New Yorkers wanted Amazon in Gotham. Both demographic groups suffer from higher unemployment than the rest of the city. As Daily News Columnist Rob George put it in Twitter, it was "AOC vs. POC."

#94 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 08:06 AM | Reply

Amazon invests in America.

We are missing that point.

The tax comments are so stupid that I can't even bend my head around them.

Taxes should encourage companies to invest in their people and their businesses. Amazon is doing that, which is why their taxes are low. On the other hand, Apple is simply not paying taxes and hoarding money.

Why doesn't AOC go after Apple instead of Amazon?

There is your answer to her real motivations.

#95 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 08:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe the next corporation that looks at the area will not be so selfish as Amazon, and will want to build the area, not destroy it.

When you act like this, there wont be any more Corporations looking. No one is stupid. It's sort of like a feminist woman. No one will date her because it's just too much trouble.

#96 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-15 08:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nate Silver
‏Verified account @NateSilver538

The demographic splits are pretty interesting. This is the version of the question that asks about the Amazon tax incentives. Supported by people in Queens and the Bronx, opposed by people in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Supported by black and Hispanic voters, opposed by white ones.

twitter.com

#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 08:20 AM | Reply

When you act like this, there wont be any more Corporations looking.

Good. A company worth $1,000,000,000,000.00 shouldn't be pitting cities against one another to see who will sell out the middle class the most and give away the store. I'd be proud of my city for not involving itself in such nonsense. Same goes for publicly funded stadiums.

But then again i'm not a hypocritical "fiscal conservative."

#98 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 08:26 AM | Reply

Then again, Amazon didn't negotiate any special tax breaks.

#99 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 08:28 AM | Reply

--So maybe AOC will be able to lead?

Lead the Democrats over the cliff.

#100 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 08:33 AM | Reply

She seems to be able to direct the conversation in a way that Bernie didn't.

#101 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 08:39 AM | Reply

This is absurd. AOC is the laughing stock of almost everyone.

99% of communities would be happy to have this opportunity.

And how is this re-location "selling out to the middle class"?

#102 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 08:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Bezos makes what, 11k per min and only pays his employees picking orders 15.00 per hour and no bennies? yes, this is a victory for AOC....lol... I hope she owns it

#103 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2019-02-15 08:55 AM | Reply

--This is absurd. AOC is the laughing stock of almost everyone.

The Green Socialist cult thinks she's the Messiah.

i.etsystatic.com

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 09:00 AM | Reply

how is this re-location "selling out to the middle class"?

By giving billions in tax breaks to a trillion dollar corporation?

www.marketwatch.com

Was that really a question?

#105 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 09:17 AM | Reply

105

yeah....it's really a question. That you didn't even try to answer. I know why... ...

how is it selling out the middle class?

#106 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 09:34 AM | Reply

#106 When a municipality gives billions in free cash to trillion dollar companies that don't need the money, that's either revenue that needs to be made up elsewhere on the backs of the middle class, or billions in free municipal services that the middle class has already paid for, depending on how you want to look at it.

But your game is to play stupid and pretend not to know obvious things.

#107 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 09:37 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So Joe.

You want them to tax Amazon more than any other company?

How would they do that?

According to what measures would a company be singled out for this?

#108 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 09:41 AM | Reply

The 25,000 jobs paying $150K a year is a plus for the community, yes?

What level of tax incentive should be adequate? zero? $100 million? what?

You realize Amazon turned down much richer tax incentive packages from other cities...but they wanted this area for other reasons.

I'm not stumping for Amazon and what I think they are owned....I'm referring to the city leaders and how they should measure tax incentives vs the job creation they are exchanging it for.

this is either a good deal for New York or it isn't....it seems everyone is arguing principle rather than this specific deal and whether the specific tax incentive is appropriate or not.

#109 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 09:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-companies that don't need the money

you see...this is where you are so jacked up. It doesn't matter if they need it or not. This is how it works...it's not a new concept, BTW.

If you are just going to cry about how much money Jeff Bezos has then just do that....stop pretending you have an informed opinion about how business is transacted and deals like this work.

You really don't care about how this affects middle class folks in NY. It's only about your obsession with someone else's balance sheet (which, BTW, you think is easy to calculate and tax....LOL)

Most cities would say this is a good deal for itself. The job creation and the obvious benefits that are derived from it make the tax incentives a plus for the city, and it's middle class inhabitants.

it's a good business decision, as long as the incentives don't outweigh the benefits.

#110 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 09:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good stuff from Ebs and Banner on this thread.

States and municipalities compete for large companies to set up shop all of the time, Joe.

In this case, Amazon wasn't even getting preferential treatment over other companies in NYC.

Whatever. I don't have any skin in this fight and could care less about the outcome.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 09:52 AM | Reply

-States and municipalities compete for large companies to set up shop all of the time, Joe.

I live in a community with 40K population. WE have a chamber of commerce that has an economic development department that's funded by the city, private investment, etc....those funds are used to develop industrial parks, specifically approach and work with employers to attract them, etc...

larger metro cities HAVE to be ready to attract employers and work with them in ways to incentivize them to come.

In every successful city, you'll see an effort that was made to attract jobs like this.

#112 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 09:56 AM | Reply

#112

We've certainly seen these efforts in Detroit, Ebs.

Last year they completed construction of Little Caesar's Arena for the Pistons and the Red Wings. It has yet to be determined what is going to be done with Joe Louis Arena and the Palace in Auburn Hills. Detroit also instituted a light rail line that runs down Woodward from Ferndale.

#113 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 10:15 AM | Reply

My attitude about sports teams and taxpayer funded stadiums is different.

But.....the one thing I justify the opposition to regarding Amazon is that the city wasn't very transparent in what they were doing.

Poor communication......and they deserve scrutiny for that.

#114 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 10:34 AM | Reply

You want them to tax Amazon more than any other company?

???

The link i posted above shows that Amazon secured billions in tax breaks. So no, i don't want them taxed "more than any other company," i want them taxed at the same rate. And they run their sweepstakes campaign specifically to avoid paying the same rate as others do.

#115 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 11:08 AM | Reply

States and municipalities compete for large companies to set up shop all of the time, Joe

And in every case it's a race to the bottom.

When a municipality secures one of these projects, you can be almost certain they got a raw deal, because they were willing to give away more of everyone else's money than any other place was.

#116 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 11:13 AM | Reply

Amazon did not secure a unique $2.5 billion tax break. Those tax breaks are available to any large company.

#117 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 11:13 AM | Reply

The fact that more than one company can secure a giveaway doesn't mean the giveaways don't come at the expense of everyone else who pays taxes.

#118 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-15 11:18 AM | Reply

Did anyone do an analysis of the impact of 25,000 new jobs, some paying $150,000 a year, on the local and state economies?

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 11:27 AM | Reply

Google is my friend:

Amazon's HQ2 deal with New York is officially off -- and it means the state and the city could lose out on $27.5 billion in tax revenue

A study commissioned by Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office found that Amazon's presence in New York City would generate $27.5 billion in tax revenue for the state and the city -- much more than the incentives.

www.businessinsider.com

#120 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 11:32 AM | Reply

#118 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2019-02-15 11:18 AM | REPLY

It does not come at your expense. They are not charging you more to give them money.

#121 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 11:32 AM | Reply

#12 Should have included this as part of the title, as there is pushback to the $27.5 billion figure:

"But there are some caveats to the rosy picture painted by the study."

#122 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-15 11:36 AM | Reply

-Did anyone do an analysis of the impact of 25,000 new jobs, some paying $150,000 a year, on the local and state economies?

Yes. Joe did. And his analysis is "they got a raw deal".

LOL

#123 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 11:42 AM | Reply

#120 - thank you!

I think it's going to be accurate because the income taxes alone are something close to $5 billion (don't quote me on that figure).

Please bring these jobs to KC.

#124 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 01:08 PM | Reply

"Amazon pulling out hurts New York economically, no matter how much AOC argues otherwise.
#61 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

The issue AOC raises is who benefits -- and who gets hurt -- when Amazon stays in.

Since people are so sure it will help the poor, I assume there must be real workd examples of a similar time a company helped the poor this way.

For example, it was lamented in Seattle when Boeing moved their corporate HQ to Chicago. Those too were white collar middle class jobs. Surely their impact on Chicaho's poor can be quantified by now.

Show me the money!

It's not really too much to ask.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 01:23 PM | Reply

On Twitter - @AOC on the Amazon deal: "If we were willing to give away away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest $3 billion in our district ourselves if we want to. We could hire more teachers, we can fix our subways, we can put a lot of people to work for that money if we wanted to."

With a minor in Economics, one would think AOC would realize that there is no three billion to be used for other purposes as the were tax breaks, not budget monies. Then again, having listened to her from the time she was running it is pretty obvious that she must have slept through her ECON courses. Nowadays I question the quality of a BU degree.

#126 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-15 02:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"would you want a very major company to come to your town, and make that town unaffordable for nearly everyone who is living there"

I think this gets to the heart of the matter.

Amazon is not going to staff $150k salary jobs out of AOC's current constituency, whose median income is $50k.

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 02:40 PM | Reply

So. People who wanted this deal are okay with Amazon not paying billions in taxes. Because 25k people would have jobs that could be taxed.

Just to get this straight.

We're okay with corporations not paying taxes.

Because they create jobs?

This is how the country continues to move to the right.

#128 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 04:28 PM | Reply

#learntocode

#129 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 04:28 PM | Reply

So. People who wanted this deal are okay with Amazon not paying billions in taxes. Because 25k people would have jobs that could be taxed.
Just to get this straight.

#128 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-15 04:28 PM | FLAG:

58% of eligible voters in New York believe so. Only 38% against.

#130 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 04:29 PM | Reply

#130

So then. No corporations should pay taxes. Why should they? They create jobs. And the rich shouldn't have to pay taxes either. They're job creators.

All tax burden should be shouldered by the middle class. And we should be elated they have jobs. So we can live paycheck to paycheck and die promptly at 60.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 04:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Clown,

Personally I think subsidies are a bad way to try and attract businesses to a state or municipality.

Having business-friendly laws/regs coupled with low taxes and efficient services seems to be a far better formula.

Having said that, a lot of states go the subsidy route.

#132 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-15 04:43 PM | Reply

"Having business-friendly laws/regs coupled with low taxes and efficient services seems to be a far better formula."

And amazon was willing to look past all of that to come to NY anyway.

Well, not anymore.....

#133 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-15 04:48 PM | Reply

#131 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-15 04:38 PM | FLAG:

Gentrification has a lot of downsides, but it is popular.

#134 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-15 05:00 PM | Reply

#131 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-15 04:38 PM | FLAG: The purchasers of the goods and services of corporations are who in reality are paying the corporate tax as the costs are passed on to the customers in the pricing, so yes, in a sense many of the middle class are paying it.

#135 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-15 05:02 PM | Reply

Gentrification has a lot of downsides, but it is popular.

And what does that have to do with corporations not paying taxes?

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:36 PM | Reply

#135 | POSTED BY MSGT

What a roundabout way of admitting you're okay with corporations not paying taxes.

#137 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-15 05:37 PM | Reply

We're okay with corporations not paying taxes.
Because they create jobs?

This is how the country continues to move to the right.

#128 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-15 04:28 PM | FLAG:

No. You have that very wrong.

#138 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:24 PM | Reply

At least from my point of view.

#139 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:24 PM | Reply

Amazon won't source just from local talent. They'll bring it in from all over.

#39 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-14 09:20 PM | FLAG: | NEWSWORTHY 2

WOW WOW! You mean there aren't a few thousand folks who can command 150k salaries just sitting around in Queens, waiting for Amazon to build HQ2?????

Someone get this man to the White House NOW!!!

#140 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-15 07:25 PM | Reply

'You mean there aren't a few thousand folks who can command 150k"

Oh, there's a few, and they'll like their new commute.

But the bulk of the Amazon workers will be transplants.

#141 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-15 10:29 PM | Reply

Twilight of the Oligarchs?
Still capitalists at heart, tech titans cozied up to the progressive Left -- until the contradictions became too obvious.

Amazon's decision to abandon New York City -- leaving a $3 billion goodie bag of incentives on the table -- represents a break in the progressive alliance between an increasingly radicalized Left and the new technocratic elite.

For a decade, the oligarchs of Silicon Valley and Puget Sound worked overtime to win over progressives. For the most part, they enthusiastically back the Left on its immigration, environmental, gender, and racial agendas. The merger of the tech oligarchs with the Democrats went swimmingly -- until the contradictions became too obvious. Even as they muzzled conservatives both inside and outside their companies and donated heavily to President Obama and other Democrats, they have remained at their core ruthless capitalists, determined to crush competition and shape society to their liking.

www.city-journal.org

#142 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-16 12:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The merger of the tech oligarchs with the Democrats went swimmingly -- until the contradictions became too obvious.

IMO the old school Democrats and Techies had lots in common.

But today's "democrat" is a new beast; radical and will turn on you for the most trivial of transgressions.

#143 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-16 12:07 PM | Reply

The people of New York that were championing the effort to stop Amazon from having a headquarters campus in New York are true IDIOTS! You can hate Amazon all you want but this was a time to put your feelings aside and engage the brain! The positive economic impact that all the very good paying jobs that would have been created by this campus would have been tremendous and would have FAR exceeded the cost of any incentives being given Amazon in return! A O Cortez led this effort to stop this move and this clearly shows what a DUMB IDIOT this woman is!
It just astounds me that Cortez got elected to the US Congress! What were the people of her district thing for heavens sake!

#144 | Posted by dougluvsgolf at 2019-02-16 02:32 PM | Reply

"The people of New York that were championing the effort to stop Amazon from having a headquarters campus in New York are true IDIOTS! You can hate Amazon all you want but this was a time to put your feelings aside and engage the brain! The positive economic impact that all the very good paying jobs that would have been created by this campus would have been tremendous and would have FAR exceeded the cost of any incentives being given Amazon in return! A O Cortez led this effort to stop this move and this clearly shows what a DUMB IDIOT this woman is!

It just astounds me that Cortez got elected to the US Congress! What were the people of her district thing for heavens sake!"

If you read this thread, you would understand their opposition better, a part of which can be summarized in one word: gentrification. A lot of people in NYC are renters. Folks coming in and making $150,000/year would dry up the rental market and raise the rents so much that the locals currently living there feared they would be driven out of their neighborhoods.

#145 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-16 02:39 PM | Reply

What were the people of her district thing for heavens sake!

That she was one of them and has been fighting for them.

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-16 02:44 PM | Reply

--gentrification. A lot of people in NYC are renters. Folks coming in and making $150,000/year would dry up the rental market and raise the rents so much that the locals currently living there feared they would be driven out of their neighborhoods.

I've seen a lot of that in southern california since the 70s. Formerly funky, artsy beach towns like Huntington Beach, Laguna Beach, Venice Beach, etc., being turned into playgrounds for limousine liberals.

#147 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-16 02:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Aren't you a limousine liberal?

#148 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-16 03:51 PM | Reply

#137 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-15 05:37 PM | FLAG: No, as most corpss do pay taxes. Just stating where those tax monies come from, just as govt spending comes from the tax payers, not actually the govt per se.

#149 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-16 04:38 PM | Reply

There goes all that Digital Marketing

#150 | Posted by IslandMarketing at 2019-02-16 10:14 PM | Reply

Comments are closed for this entry.

Home | Breaking News | Comments | User Blogs | Stats | Back Page | RSS Feed | RSS Spec | DMCA Compliance | Privacy | Copyright 2019 World Readable

Drudge Retort