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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

Paul Manafort "intentionally" lied to special counsel Robert Mueller's office, breaking the plea agreement that made him the star cooperator in the Russia probe, a federal judge found on Wednesday. Manafort "made multiple false statements to the FBI, the OSC and the grand jury concerning matters that were material to the investigation," including his contacts with his Russian associate during the campaign and later, Judge Amy Berman Jackson wrote on Wednesday.

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At this point, it seems like he must believe himself smarter than anyone else in the room and able to outmaneuver anyone working against him - so he acts like he's indestructible. Is he looking at life in prison?

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-13 07:20 PM | Reply

< insert the price is right loser horn sound effect here >

He's all in on getting pardoned. Which would work for federal charges but if the SDNY convicts him, he dies in prison.

#2 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-13 07:29 PM | Reply

Good eye, Gracie

For some background which lies and what was going on see:

How Manafort Passed on Polling Data to Help Russian Trolls

www.drudge.com

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whoopsie

#4 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-02-13 07:39 PM | Reply

I honestly think he can't remember all the crimes he committed.

#5 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2019-02-13 07:57 PM | Reply

He knew they would find out. Lying to Mueller and getting caught for it just makes Trump like him even more, which = pardon.

#6 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-13 07:57 PM | Reply

GONOLES @ #1

"At this point, it seems like he must believe himself smarter than anyone else in the room and able to outmaneuver anyone working against him - so he acts like he's indestructible."

I was thinking the very same thing. The man doesn't lack for arrogance, does he?

Also, now that the cat's out of the bag, Trump has nothing to gain from a pardon. Manafort is screwed.

(Everything Trump touches dies.)

#7 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-02-13 08:02 PM | Reply

Quick recap for the "Mueller hasn't found any collusion" impaired:

The chairman and deputy chairman of Donald Trump's campaign met with a suspected Russian GRU operative on August 2, 2016, working at the behest of a separate Russian oligarch that requested the gathering, whom Paul Manafort owed $20 million and had offered private briefings to regarding the campaign's inner thoughts on Russia/Ukraine/Crimea and sanction relief.

At this meeting, the Russian GRU operative proffered a Ukrainian peace plan intended to lay the groundwork for a future President Trump to remove US-applied sanctions against Russia and in return Trump's chairman and deputy chairman gave the operative detailed polling data from Trump's internal operation that most likely was weaponized and repurposed by Russian-directed internet trolls and bots to influence US voters in specific key states.

At the end of said meeting, each individual left the premises by separate exits, likely so they would not to be seen together in public. Exchanging proposals between a US presidential candidate's head campaign staffers and Russian supported interests is the very definition of cooperation since mutual aspirations and goals were discussed and coordinated. By definition, this exemplifies collusive behavior to a "t".

#8 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For the Steele Dossier, Steele met directly with current and former high level Russian officials in their intelligence community to collect dirt on Trump. What we don't know is if Steele paid them or if he received it for free. However, this is undeniably the DNC coordinating with foreign nationals for at least 2 countries to influence the US election. Even better than the Trump-Collusion nonsense is that we don't have to guess if these things actually occurred because we know with 100% certainty that it did. Not only has this nonsense from the DNC impacted past elections, including 2018 midterms, it has the potential to impact the 2020 by both influencing voters, but also by tying up our government with the continual hearings. If Russia wanted to weaken and divide the US, their most successful effort to date is the Steele Dossier.

With all of that said, I don't think Steele or Hillary should be in prison over the Steele Dossier. That is just how politics work and the Dems used to understand this and likely still do to this day or they would toss AIPAC out of the country.

As to using the Steele Dossier to get FISA warrants - yeah, they should get jail time for that.

#9 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 08:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 5


@#8 ... Quick recap for the "Mueller hasn't found any collusion" impaired:...

Also, about the same time that all this was occurring, candidate Trump was saying how Crimea citizens really wanted to be part of Russia, echoing what Pres Putin was saying at the time.

Trump to look at recognizing Crimea as Russian territory, lifting sanctions
www.politico.com

...Donald Trump said Wednesday that, if he is elected president, he would consider recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting the sanctions against Russia.

At a wide-ranging news conference, Trump said he "would be looking into that" when asked about his stance on Crimea and Russia. The Crimean Peninsula has been part of Ukraine for decades, but Russian President Vladimir Putin annexed the territory in March 2014 after a popular revolt toppled Kiev's pro-Russian government....



I certainly hope Mr Mueller can figure all this out....

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-13 09:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#9 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Why are you so hung up on the dossier? The collusion was happening in public, for all to see.

#11 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 09:14 PM | Reply


And this...

Top Russian Officials Discussed How to Influence Trump Aides Last Summer
www.nytimes.com (May 2017)

...American spies collected information last summer revealing that senior Russian intelligence and political officials were discussing how to exert influence over Donald J. Trump through his advisers, according to three current and former American officials familiar with the intelligence.

The conversations focused on Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign chairman at the time, and Michael T. Flynn, a retired general who was advising Mr. Trump, the officials said. Both men had indirect ties to Russian officials, who appeared confident that each could be used to help shape Mr. Trump's opinions on Russia.

Some Russians boasted about how well they knew Mr. Flynn. Others discussed leveraging their ties to Viktor F. Yanukovych, the deposed president of Ukraine living in exile in Russia, who at one time had worked closely with Mr. Manafort.

The intelligence was among the clues -- which also included information about direct communications between Mr. Trump's advisers and Russian officials -- that American officials received last year as they began investigating Russian attempts to disrupt the election and whether any of Mr. Trump's associates were assisting Moscow in the effort. Details of the conversations, some of which have not been previously reported, add to an increasing understanding of the alarm inside the American government last year about the Russian disruption campaign....


#12 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-13 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why are you so hung up on the dossier? The collusion was happening in public, for all to see.
#11 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Because it is the smoking gun for collusion that you have been searching for the last 2+ years, it is just not collusion by Trump. However, it has every element that you are seeking against Trump and it is all proven in public already. So, if you want to say collusion is a crime or serious issue for Don Jr. trying to do the same thing that Hillary did, in fact do, then you should be consistent and push for the prosecution for everyone involved in the Steele Dossier. The Steele Dossier had a much larger impact on the 2018 midterms than the Pokemon collusion did in 2016 - we both know this. Half of the country still thinks the Steel Dossier is real for god's sake.

I am consistent - the Steele Dossier is standard politics. Anything Trump is accused of is also standard politics.

Why aren't you consistent?

#13 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 09:24 PM | Reply

Wow.... Hillary gave Putin's Russian Trolls voter record data to target just like Trump did?

Who knew?

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 09:26 PM | Reply

Wow.... Hillary gave Putin's Russian Trolls voter record data to target just like Trump did?
Who knew?
#14 | POSTED BY CORKY

So, Russians has voter data from Manafort and yet they spent their $100K in facebook largely in ads shown in New York and Pokemon Go promoting BLM.

As for the Dossier, it has been carried as a factual document by all the Putin supporting Russian owned MSM reporters like Maddow and then used to get a FISA warrant. This has lead to a 2 year witch hunt, the stench of which has impacted our 2018 mid-term elections. Sorry, you are not consistent. The most effective weapon Russia has ever used against the US is the Steele Dossier. Just look in the mirror - you still think it is real and claim Trump is an illegitimate president. That is some Grade A+ propaganda they pulled on you.

#15 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 09:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


Manafort offered to give Russian billionaire ‘private briefings' on 2016 campaign
www.washingtonpost.com (September 2017)

...Less than two weeks before Donald Trump accepted the Republican presidential nomination, his campaign chairman offered to provide briefings on the race to a Russian billionaire closely aligned with the Kremlin, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Paul Manafort made the offer in an email to an overseas intermediary, asking that a message be sent to Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate with whom Manafort had done business in the past, these people said.

"If he needs private briefings we can accommodate," Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time....


#16 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-13 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Half of the country still thinks the Steel Dossier is real for god's sake.

Name ONE accusation made in the Steele raw intelligence compilations that has been definitively proven wrong, just ONE.

We'll wait. On the other hand you have this:

The dossier is actually a series of reports -- 16 in all -- that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence. Steele neither evaluated nor synthesized the intelligence. He neither made nor rendered bottom-line judgments. The dossier is, quite simply and by design, raw reporting, not a finished intelligence product.

The dossier holds up well over time, and none of it, to our knowledge, has been disproven.

But much of the reporting simply remains uncorroborated, at least by the yardstick we are using.

www.lawfareblog.com

Everyone commenting on this thread but for No... understands the truth about this topic. We just sit here and laugh that anyone tries to shine up -------- with so much energy while its stench alone creates no doubt about what mitigated garbage it truly is.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 09:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

Anything Trump is accused of is also standard politics.
Why aren't you consistent?

#13 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Maybe its standard politics in your country, ruskie, but here in the USA he's accused of crimes.

You aren't consistent, that's simply brainwashed GOP false equivalency. Hillary using legal sources is much different than conspiring with the government of a foreign adversary. Then there's the explicit lying about his russian ventures; which is election fraud.

#18 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 09:36 PM | Reply

-the Dossier

"Benghaziiii! The Dossier!!"

As the inestimable Mr. Roma notes, even lawfare says none of it has been disproven.

And much of it has been verified.

- a 2 year witch hunt,

Not according to, among others, Trump's hand picked new AG who knows Mueller well and says he would never run a witch hunt.

You aren't very good at this, are you?

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 09:42 PM | Reply

Name ONE accusation made in the Steele raw intelligence compilations that has been definitively proven wrong, just ONE.

- you can't disprove whole cloth fantasies. The FBI said it was completely unsubstantiated. You can't point to a single thing that has been proven as true.

The dossier is actually a series of reports -- 16 in all -- that total 35 pages. Written in 2016, the dossier is a collection of raw intelligence.

- Great. And now the big question - RAW INTELLIGENCE FROM WHOM? That's right, Russian intelligence officers. So, we have dirt given to the DNC by Russian Intelligence, exactly what you wanted Don Jr. thrown in jail for. Why aren't you consistent?

But much of the reporting simply remains uncorroborated, at least by the yardstick we are using.
www.lawfareblog.com

- Their yardstick needs adjusting because NOTHING has been corroborated. Literally NOTHING.

Do you deny that this document had an impact on the 2018 midterms?

#20 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 09:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

WHAT'S TRUE IN TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER? KEY PARTS PROVED OVER LAST YEAR

www.newsweek.com

Hopefully you have a day job that pays in something other than rubles, Sheeple.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 09:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

So much ignorance, so little time....

- Their yardstick needs adjusting because NOTHING has been corroborated. Literally NOTHING.

Read the rest of the article and thousands of words written at the link. It literally goes point by point into all the dossier's information that has been definitively proven correct through court proceedings/documentation or revelations that removes any doubt.

Gawd are you just lazy or intentionally ignorant?

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

i see sheep state is gaslighting again. sad part is, he does this for free.

#23 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-13 09:58 PM | Reply

#20 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Did Clinton directly instruct Steele to work with russians like the dotard did his son?

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 10:02 PM | Reply

Here's what was said about Paul Manafort in Steele's reporting:

The dossier said that in return for Russia's help in dumping hacked emails damaging to the Clinton campaign, the "TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue and to raise US/NATO defence commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject."

The "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation between [the Trump campaign] and the Russian leadership was managed on the Trump side by the Republican candidate's campaign manager, Paul Manafort," the dossier added.

www.greenwichtime.com

Do you think the conclusions found by the judge and noted by the August 2nd meeting pretty much confirms the highlighted conclusion above?

#25 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 10:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wait..what? More winning!!!!

#26 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-13 10:10 PM | Reply

WHAT'S TRUE IN TRUMP-RUSSIA DOSSIER? KEY PARTS PROVED OVER LAST YEAR
#21 | POSTED BY CORKY

Let's cover this nonsense 1 at a time:

Dossier Claim: Russia Meddled - I would consider this true with the Steele Dossier being exhibit #1. Outside of this, it is a broad claim that probably applies to about 20+ countries. I could tell you this without any advanced knowledge.

Russia Had Dirt on Clinton and DNC - there is actually no proof of this. The data transmission rates actually disprove that it was a hack at all. Further, Wikileaks themselves have denied this.

Putin Was in Charge "According to Steele's sources, Putin and Russia had been cultivating Trump for "at least 5 years" - this is simply ridiculous. Just look at everyone's reaction when Ann Coulter said Trump would win on Bill Mahr - literally no one thought he had a chance at winning 3 years ago - much less back in 2014. Simply stupid to believe this.

Mr. Cohen Goes to Prague - Cohen is cooperating with Mueller and he 100% denies this occurred. Any lie he tells threatens his plea deal and he is openly hostile to Trump so has zero incentive to lie. Yet, you continue to believe it, why?

Russian Diplomat Was a Spy - no ----. About 50%+ of diplomats are spys.

Page Met With Russians - No ----. Everyone that knew Page knew this. This was publicly available information. "U.S. officials were looking into Page's contacts in Russia, Yahoo News reported." - and who was the source for the Yahoo News report - yeah, Steele, which was why he was fired from the FBI as an informant.

Manafort Received Payment for Work in Ukraine - again, no ----. This was looked into already by the Federal government previously and he was openly a lobbyist for such firms as the Podesta group.

This is the best you have? Nothing with peeing hookers? This report was garbage and anyone still believing it is mentally deficient.

------------------

But, and this is the most important part - it is 100% the work product of RUSSIA INTELLIGENCE. So, by your own standards, producing it was the Russian government attempting (successfully so) to meddle in our elections. The 2018 midterms prove this.

So, again, why aren't you consistent?

#27 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 10:21 PM | Reply

- mentally deficient.

Well, I have to give you that.... you prove it with every post.

Oh, and btw, the Russian assets Steele used, and had used for years, were good enough for both British and US Intel which used them to good advantage frequently in many cases over many years.

You appear to be the pantywaist yet again in this conversation.

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 10:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

corky- the guy isn't even sticking to the subject, he's deflecting to the steele dossier, then puking up pages of crap no one is reading.

#29 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-13 10:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

corky- nobias is using trump talking points that were debunked in july of last year:

www.google.com

#30 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-02-13 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Also, now that the cat's out of the bag, Trump has nothing to gain from a pardon. Manafort is screwed.

Which is why Manafort was lying his a** off I bet.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2019-02-13 10:42 PM | Reply

He'll just make a better deal now.... and tell all since Trump isn't going to pardon him.

And when he does, so will everyone else.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 10:48 PM | Reply

I'm bored tonight so let's deconstruct some idiocy.

Putin Was in Charge "According to Steele's sources, Putin and Russia had been cultivating Trump for "at least 5 years" - this is simply ridiculous.

Russia has been cultivating Trump since the 1980s. You're seemingly conflating "cultivating" to openly believing that he'd become President. One has nothing to do with the other outside of the fact it actually happened. IOW, Russia seeks advantages far beyond just simple politics. They seek leverage that they might need to use someday toward their own interests which is precisely what they've done with Trump. They had no idea he might become President someday but they knew he was approachable if he ever made a full-hearted attempt.

Russia Had Dirt on Clinton and DNC - there is actually no proof of this. The data transmission rates actually disprove that it was a hack at all. Further, Wikileaks themselves have denied this.

See Mueller's lists of indictments that recite the evidentiary proof he claims will prove Russian's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt of the allegations made within them. I would say that's strong proof to most reasoned people.

Mr. Cohen Goes to Prague - Cohen is cooperating with Mueller and he 100% denies this occurred. Any lie he tells threatens his plea deal and he is openly hostile to Trump so has zero incentive to lie. Yet, you continue to believe it, why?

This has been misconstrued throughout its reporting in the media. 5 Eyes has pinging records of one of Cohen's known phones having been in/around Prague at the time in question. May not have been Cohen, but he most certainly has knowledge of whom actually had the phone in question and it's tied directly back to him at minimum and no one has denied that such a meeting indeed took place.

And you've left out the Trump Tower negotiations which Cohen had first denied, Flynn's Moscow trip in 2015, Manafort's financial dealings in the Ukraine that he hid from US disclosure just to scratch the surface.

#33 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 10:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh, and btw, the Russian assets Steele used, and had used for years, were good enough for both British and US Intel
#28 | POSTED BY CORKY

You are weaponizing stupidity. You admit Steele got dirt on Trump using Russian intelligence in an attempt to influence the election. Tell me how this is different from what you are accusing of Trump of doing.

#34 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 10:56 PM | Reply

-Russia has been cultivating Trump since the 1980s

How? How were they cultivating him in the 80s?

And what, exactly, do you mean by cultivating? Personally, I use the term in my business all the time but I use it to reference the process of cultivating relationships with clients and prospects. Do you mean cultivating a relationship with Trump? Or grooming him?

#35 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-13 11:09 PM | Reply

You admit Steele got dirt on Trump using Russian intelligence in an attempt to influence the election.

It has to hurt to be so stupid. Steele was hired to find out what information existed with his own intelligence-related sources regarding Donald Trump's activities as they related to Russia, Steele's sphere of expertise. He was not hired to create fiction. He would have been paid had he found little if nothing untoward about Trump's dealings. Steele is a compiler of information that ordinary sources can't or won't get because he has connections built from decades of work in British Intelligence.

Toward the end of the 2016 campaign Steele did indeed try to blow the whistle about what he had learned about Trump appearing to be a puppet of Putin and Russia while openly lying to the American people and leaving himself wide open for extortion by anyone or government that knows the truth about the connection between Trump and Russian interests. He felt the American electorate should have known that a person they might elect to the presidency was both a liar and a corroborator with a foreign government against his own country and that such knowledge might alter whom they decide to vote for.

If that's what you mean Steele did try to influence the election, but his efforts pale in comparison to those of Russia's counterintelligence operations coordinated with Trump's own campaign. Too bad you don't see that 50 ton elephant in the center of the room while you're focused on a couple ants milling in the corner.

#36 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 11:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You are weaponizing stupidity.
#34 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Stop giving him so much ammo to direct back at you then.

"Tell me how this is different from what you are accusing of Trump of doing."

The dotard directed the collusion committed by his team. Steele was not hired by Hillary Clinton to write the dossier. How is this so difficult for you?

#37 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 11:10 PM | Reply

Do you mean cultivating a relationship with Trump?

Yes. Google Russia cultivates Trump in the 1980s.

Too many articles to list.

#38 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-13 11:12 PM | Reply

Steele is a compiler of information that ordinary sources can't or won't get because he has connections built from decades of work in British Intelligence.

- No, he was fed information by Russian intelligence which he typed up and sent to the DNC in violation of the law if you actually believe the collusion narrative Dems are pushing.

#39 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-13 11:46 PM | Reply

"I am consistent - the Steele Dossier is standard politics. Anything Trump is accused of is also standard politics."

Later,

"[Steele] was fed information by Russian intelligence which he typed up and sent to the DNC in violation of the law"

Oh, so Trump with his "standard politics" is in violation of the law.

Which law, exactly?

#40 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 12:11 AM | Reply

Yes. Google Russia cultivates Trump in the 1980s.
Too many articles to list.
#38 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

Back when they were still communists? Please tell me you know how stupid that sounds.

#41 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 12:13 AM | Reply

"Back when they were still communists?"

LOL, why wouldn't they try that back when they were still Communists.

You know the saying "The Capitalism will eat itself?"

Trump is that.

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-14 12:21 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

LOL, why wouldn't they try that back when they were still Communists.
#42 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You make Alex Jones sound rational. Please Snoofy, tell me if Putin is also plotting to turn frogs gay using chemtrails.

#43 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 12:24 AM | Reply

#34

Steele looked to see what existed from foreign sources as opposition researh, Manafort gave over Republican voter data to Putin to help Russian Trolls rig a US election IN EXCHANGE for favorable policy statements from Trump.... a quid pro quo.

Changing your handle here didn't make you any brighter, Trumplesheepskin.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-14 12:31 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Steele looked to see what existed from foreign sources as opposition researh,
#44 | POSTED BY CORKY

Yeah, pretty much what Don Jr. did (except Don Jr never received or used any information) and you wanted him executed as a traitor. But enough with the real world, tell me more about how Putin is turning frogs gay using Chemtrails and how this helps Trump in 2020.

#45 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 12:47 AM | Reply

#45

And the spirit of Lyndon LaRouche lives on!

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-14 12:27 PM | Reply

"At this point, it seems like he must believe himself smarter than anyone else in the room and able to outmaneuver anyone working against him - so he acts like he's indestructible."
I was thinking the very same thing. The man doesn't lack for arrogance, does he?

There's a reason why Trump, Stone and Manafort have all been friends for 40 years. Their deceit and arrogance have stood them in good stead for decades. Hopefully, that is all about to change.

#47 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

One big difference between Steele's meetings with the Russians and Trump team's meetings: Steele went to the FBI with the information he was hearing. Everyone on Team Trump who met with Russians lied about it afterwards and tried to cover it up. And this was after Trump had been warned that the Kremlin was likely trying to infiltrate his campaign.

#48 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Back when they were still communists? Please tell me you know how stupid that sounds."

Back when Putin was in the KGB. Backatcha:

Allegiance Soviet Union
Branch/service KGB
Years of service 1975–1991

en.wikipedia.org

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 01:51 PM | Reply

"corky- nobias is using trump talking points that were debunked in july of last year:"

Nobias is like H-rat but with better sentence structure.

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-14 01:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Nobia's panic seem to reflect growing concern among Trump supporters that this investigation will not end well for their boy.

#51 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-02-14 02:52 PM | Reply

The only thing Manafort has going for himself now is to jockey for a lower sentence from the NYSD.

BTW, Manafort lied and got caught. As for the pardon, didn't Trump say he doesn't like people who get caught?

#52 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-02-14 04:13 PM | Reply

- No, he was fed information by Russian intelligence which he typed up and sent to the DNC in violation of the law if you actually believe the collusion narrative Dems are pushing.

#39 | Posted by nobiasposter101

Nobias, you ignorant peice of poop. Your lies will get you nowhere here.

The FBI reached a deal in October 2016 to pay Steele to continue the research that had led to what became known as the "Trump dossier". This is now a well known and easily confirmed FACT.

So, basically, the DNC or the DEMS had nothing to do with the INITIAL creation of the "Trump Dossier".

#53 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-14 05:50 PM | Reply

The FBI reached a deal in October 2016 to pay Steele to continue the research that had led to what became known as the "Trump dossier". This is now a well known and easily confirmed FACT.
So, basically, the DNC or the DEMS had nothing to do with the INITIAL creation of the "Trump Dossier".
#53 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Get your facts right. What ultimately became the Steele Dossier, before Steele was even involved, was started as GOP opposition research against Trump. After Trump became inevitable for the GOP, the Dems picked up the funding and brought Steele onboard to conspire with Russian government intelligence officials to provide dirt on Trump while giving it an sense of 'official' by routing it through Steele. This Dossier was then passed on to everyone that they could - multiple papers, members of the senate (NoBrain McCain being one), and the DOJ (Bruce Ohr forwarded it despite his wife working for the scumbag firm that produced it) in order to force the FBI to try to start an investigation into the Trump campaign. Steele was hired (unclear if ever paid at this point) by the FBI to consult on this but was later fired after he violated his FBI agreement to talking with Yahoo! News. Despite this, the FBI used the initial document as well as the Yahoo! News article (despite knowing Steele was the source for both) as 2 separate points confirming a Russia conspiracy narrative - this is part of illegal activity regarding lying to FISA court.

Of course, we wouldn't know any of this as the DNC tried to conceal their role in producing and disseminating it. Thankfully the courts did their jobs for once and the DNC was forced to reveal their role. In short, the FBI had NOTHING to do with the document'c creation despite your nonsense above.

#54 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 11:25 PM | Reply

"What ultimately became the Steele Dossier... was started as GOP opposition research against Trump."

"the Dems picked up the funding"

"brought Steele onboard to conspire with Russian government intelligence officials"

#55 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-14 11:52 PM | Reply

"brought Steele onboard to conspire with Russian government intelligence officials" ✗
#55 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

That is exactly what they expected him to do and that is exactly what he did. He went looking for any piece of dirt he could find - which the Russians were happy to invent - and made ZERO effort to substantiate them, because the point wasn't about the truth, it was about a political smear. If you think Steele was impartial in his report, you are an idiot. He was digging for dirt PERIOD. That is the definition of conspiring.

#56 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-14 11:55 PM | Reply

and made ZERO effort to substantiate them,
#56 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Its comments like this that make calling you "retarded" an objective statement.

#57 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-15 12:00 AM | Reply

and made ZERO effort to substantiate them,
#56 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101
Its comments like this that make calling you "retarded" an objective statement.
#57 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Objectively wrong statement. In court, he said it was 'raw intelligence', which means he spent no effort to substantiate the truthfulness or even the correct spelling of names for that matter. He said no better than 50/50 confidence - as stated in court under oath. Suck it loser.

#58 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-15 12:10 AM | Reply

You admit Steele got dirt on Trump using Russian intelligence in an attempt to influence the election.

Steele was the head of the Russian counterintelligence at MI6. Figures he'd know a lot about Russian intelligence and have contacts who knew what's what.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-15 06:50 AM | Reply

#58 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Moron, just because steele didn't substantiate it doesn't mean it isn't accurate. The credibility was so high, that's why the FBI took it on. And while you're perpetually -------- on US intel, they're easily substantiating the dotard's crimes and perversions.

Keep the blinders on, ruskie! It will help you sleep.

#60 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-15 12:33 PM | Reply

At this point, it seems like he must believe himself smarter than anyone else in the room and able to outmaneuver anyone working against him - so he acts like he's indestructible. Is he looking at life in prison?

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92

Are you asking about trump or manafort? Impossible to tell.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-15 01:07 PM | Reply

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