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Wednesday, February 13, 2019

The Senate will hold a vote on the Green New Deal, an environmental and energy plan touted by progressives, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Tuesday. McConnell told reporters after a meeting of the Senate Republican caucus that he has "great interest" in the plan, which would spell an end for coal, a key economic driver in McConnell's home state of Kentucky, while promising new jobs for out-of-work miners and other workers.

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Say what you will about McConnell, but over the past few years he seems like he is playing several moves ahead of Schumer and the Democrats.

Let's see how many of the declared Presidential candidates stick by their endorsements...

#1 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 10:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

FTA

The deal has no chance of passing the Senate, where it will need 51 votes and faces united opposition from Republicans, who hold 53 of the chamber's 100 seats.

But it will force Senate Democrats, including a slew of 2020 presidential candidates, to vote on the proposal -- potentially providing votes for McConnell and the GOP to exploit politically.

"It's astonishing to see this many presidential candidates moving so far to the left on a position that is going to raise energy costs for families, hurt jobs in America and really provide almost a government takeover of many of the industries in our country," said Sen. John Barrasso (Wyo.), chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee and a member of GOP leadership.

Barrasso said his main motivation in bringing the deal up for a vote is the presidential election, adding that it's important, "to get people on record as to how much they really want to take this country in a hard left direction."

Nancy Pelosi has to be cringing right now, while Creepy Uncle Joe and Beto can sit on the sidelines and quietly thank Sen. McConnell for bringing this to a potentially embarrassing vote.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 10:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2 No sane person would consider losing to a republican majority under Stonewall "Cocaine" Mitch an "embarrassing vote" but that explains perfectly why you think it would be.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-12 11:08 PM | Reply

McConnell wasting taxpayer money in political theater and ROC all orgased.

Have Republicans apologized to America yet for Trump? Or GW or Reagan or Nixon?

No? It's about time they did rather than egging on more of their Bozos.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-12 11:09 PM | Reply

Defying the constitution isn't exactly "several moves ahead" so much as it is blatant cheating and treason, but okay Ted. Being in charge of the GOP during its demise isn't exactly political savviness either.

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-12 11:10 PM | Reply

Have Republicans apologized to America yet for Trump? Or GW or Reagan or Nixon?
#4 | POSTED BY CORKY

That requires independent thought and conviction, two qualities extremely recessive in conservatives.

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-12 11:11 PM | Reply

Panicking Democrats indeed...

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is going to be fun!

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-12 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

No Democrat needs to vote for this bill because it's contents have not had any hearings, no detailed analysis or debate, no scoring, nothing, nada, zip.

It's a fricking joke so make McConnell choke on it. The Democrats propose sweeping legislation that they want to see rise or fall on its merits. No one from the left is proposing making real, broad changes without hearing from experts, coming up with detailed schematics and seriously trying to anticipate and meet whatever needs to happen for it to succeed as planned or at minimum remain malleable if theorized trajectories need to be revectored.

No responsible Democrat needs to concern themselves with Mitch McConnell's political show vote. No Democrat supports whatever Mitch McConnell throws up against the wall for the entertainment of the right wing so there should be zero compunction in doing so while flying the bird at the same time. Supporters understand it's nothing but Kabuki anyway.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-12 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No Democrat needs to vote for this bill because it's contents have not had any hearings, no detailed analysis or debate, no scoring, nothing, nada, zip.

Then why introduce it as a bill if none of that has been done?

No one from the left is proposing making real, broad changes without hearing from experts, coming up with detailed schematics and seriously trying to anticipate and meet whatever needs to happen for it to succeed as planned or at minimum remain malleable if theorized trajectories need to be revectored.

Don't you think that the Democrats who introduced this and threw their support behind it should have realized that none of this had been done?

Supporters understand it's nothing but Kabuki anyway.

Once again, why introduce it if it is nothing but Kabuki?

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Have Republicans apologized to America yet for Trump? Or GW or Reagan or Nixon?

Dorkus of Naples has repeated this at least three times today, so it must be on Priorities USA's latest guidance.

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:22 PM | Reply

ROC,

The Democrats have forwarded a "bill" just like the ACA started as a bill. It tooks months and months of hard work to come up with a finished piece of legislation. That's what happens with complicated legislation or do you ignore the work of committees and subcommittees in putting together the finished legislation? Putting forth a "bill" doesn't mean its ready to be voted on in the full House or Senate. This is why McCain blathered on about 'regular order.' I know you know these things.

That is why Democrats putting forth a bill is not the same as McConnell bypassing the normal process and skipping to a full Senate vote. He's making a mockery of government's normal operation, but you already know that anyway. It's not new and he's not the only one.

#12 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-12 11:30 PM | Reply

#12

Of course he is railroading this forward, and it is only for the purpose of embarrassing the Democrats in the Senate. LBJ would be proud of McConnell, back when he was Majority Leader he was the absolute master of outplaying Bill Knowland and Everett Dickson by forcing them to defend equally ridiculous legislation.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:39 PM | Reply

This is a resolution. It doesn't have to go through hearings and what not like ACA.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-12 11:42 PM | Reply

When the Democrats were agonizing over whether Nancy Pelosi should remain as Speaker (and she has shown that she was absolutely the best pick for the job) they should have been more worried about Chuck Schumer retaining his.

#15 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:45 PM | Reply

There's no need to defend the undefendable. Taking our economy green has breathtaking ramifications, any beer-swillin' budda can even figure that out. How irresponsible is it to the American people to play games with something people are seriously wanting to at minimum debate because the status quo is becoming untenable?

Republicans aren't interested in having any productive debate on the subject, they want to demean its importance to the detriment of many if not most. That's a loser's position if there ever was one especially on an issue of such huge importance.

#16 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-02-12 11:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#14

Exactly. It was political grandstanding by a freshman legislator that all the Democratic POTUS candidates jumped onto (probably without really reading it) and now it is going to burn them.

Politics is a very dirty business, and right now Mitch McConnell is playing 3D chess while Chuck Schumer is playing checkers.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:48 PM | Reply

#11

Lying lawyers lie.... and the feeble-minded ones can only post lies and caricature, not argument, which he obviously doesn't have.

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-12 11:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

any beer-swillin' budda can even figure that out

I like beer and the environment!

-Siddhartha Gautama

#19 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:51 PM | Reply

Yurtle and his Orange Disease just got punked by Pelosi and Schumer on a gov shutdown... and all Yurtle has is smoke and mirrors.

#20 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-12 11:54 PM | Reply

#18

That was the only retort your lame deflection deserved. If you want to make a substantive post, join in. Otherwise, go eat paste with Vizzindy.

#21 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-12 11:54 PM | Reply

Tony,

The GND is the most ridiculous political document I've ever seen (and that is saying something).

Had is started and died with AOC and Markey....it would have been shrugged off, as it should have (and mocked and ridiculed).

But no. Not only have 5 top Democrat contenders for 2020 endorsed it, WAY too many in the MSM have taken this absurdity seriously.

Pelosi was rightly dismissive - she threaded the needle. She was dismissive, praised the sentiment behind it but made it clear it wasn't even remotely realistic.

This thing is a HUGE self-inflicted wound by the Democrats.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-12 11:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

- lame deflection

The only lame deflection recently has been your repeated running away from legacy of criminals, traitors, warmongers, and imbeciles your party has foisted on this country... and now tonight the feckless freak who leads your party in the Senate.

So, do it again. We'll watch.....

#23 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:00 AM | Reply

Sherrod Brown must be smiling. He's not a cosponsor.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 12:02 AM | Reply

I absolutely hope McConnell pulls this off.

Democrats should have distanced themselves from this thing immediately.

They deserve to have this hung around their neck like an albatross.

#25 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:03 AM | Reply

#23

Translation: Paste it is!

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:03 AM | Reply

Sherrod Brown must be smiling. He's not a cosponsor.

#24 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

No politician with an ounce of common sense would endorse this absolutely risible political document.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:04 AM | Reply

El Corko,

This is something your party needs to walk away from. Fast. The more it grows legs the more it will harm the Democratic Party.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:06 AM | Reply

Just shows you how powerful AoC is.

#29 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-13 12:06 AM | Reply

#26

Runs away again.... what Republicans are good at.

Your thread ------ on Mitch's petty political maneuvering on the same day that Pelosi and Schumer punked Trump and the GOP on the Trumpdown is... really, really funny to watch.

#30 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:12 AM | Reply

Pelosi was rightly dismissive - she threaded the needle. She was dismissive, praised the sentiment behind it but made it clear it wasn't even remotely realistic.

Which is why she was still the best choice for Speaker of the House, she handled AOC gently on this ridiculous resolution and hoped it would fizzle away.

Schumer should have done the same, but to give him the benefit of the doubt, before he could do it all of the declared POTUS candidates in his caucus piled on in a rush to be seen as the most "progressive" candidate.

It is going to be a long week or so for Schumer and his caucus.

#31 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:12 AM | Reply

#30

More paste!

#32 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:13 AM | Reply

#28

Awww... Heffy, your sincere concern for the Dem party is... well, it just brings tears to my eyes, raally it does!

Don't worry, sweetie. As long as the Dems are b-slapping Trump and McConnell with the Wall That Never Was, no one's going to notice this one day story.

#33 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:14 AM | Reply

#32

More running away. Seriously, doesn't it bother you that the only Presidents your party can come up with are criminals, traitors, warmongers, and/or imbeciles?

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:16 AM | Reply

#34

I'm right here Dorkus...and you are so miserable about this that all you can do is deflect to Republican Presidents of the US.

Here's a hint: This thread is about the Green New Deal and the Senate.

#35 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:19 AM | Reply

The Senate dems should just avoid the vote by sitting in on Congressional hearings about GOP traitors.
Lock them all up. Then start voting on bills.

#36 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-13 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just shows you how powerful AoC is.

#29 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Which is absolutely hilarious.

I can't say it any better than this:

Quite what has possessed a 28-year-old, unmarried, childless bartender to consider herself capable of redesigning the entire world within a decade remains steadfastly unclear. Indeed, it does not seem to have occurred to either Ocasio-Cortez or to the more experienced politicians who have willingly become her disciples that they are endorsing a revolutionary screed penned by a person who has never so much as dealt directly with a local school board. At this point in her life, Ocasio-Cortez has no experience of anything much at all. She has no history of business ownership; she boasts no military service; she exhibits no vocational skills; she has raised no children; she has not dealt seriously with a zoning committee or a regulatory agency or a union boss; she has not written, amended, or influenced a single alteration to the legal regime under which we live. In and of itself, there is nothing wrong with this state of affairs. To each his own, and good luck to all. But Jeffrey Lebowski did not fancy himself as Lenin.

www.nationalreview.com

Jesus.

To be fair, she has some things going for her. She's vivacious, attractive, intelligent albeit in a somewhat shallow sense, and she is savvy with social media and unflappable in front of a camera. Also to be fair, outside of Jake Tapper she has been at best "lightly challenged" when asked to substantiate her policy advocacies beyond platitudes. When challenged indirectly by conservative outlets she has predictably played the victim card.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Awww... Heffy, your sincere concern for the Dem party is... well, it just brings tears to my eyes, raally it does!

Don't worry, sweetie. As long as the Dems are b-slapping Trump and McConnell with the Wall That Never Was, no one's going to notice this one day story.
#33 | POSTED BY CORKY

She's developed a bit of a cult following, my friend.

It's a bigger problem for your party than you realize.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#37

Bububububut....Nixon!!!!

-One Legged Dorkus of Naples

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- This thread is about the Green New Deal and the Senate.

On the same day Dems are b-slapping Trump and McConnell with the Wall That Never Was, you are all orgazed over Mitch's petty political tricks.

So easily distracted you are, just like Mitch planned.

AND you have been running away from the question of you party's history of Presidents for weeks now on multiple threads... and you still are.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:24 AM | Reply

doesn't it bother you that the only Presidents your party can come up with are criminals, traitors, warmongers, and/or imbeciles?

#34 | POSTED BY CORKY A

That's not very inclusive. The GOP has a YUUUUGE tent!

You left out (and this list is not all-inclusive):

Incels, Nazis, Klansmen, rapists, Birthers, inbreds, Confederates and Progressives.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:26 AM | Reply

Occasional conservative David Brooks:

"But the underlying faith of the Green New Deal is a faith in the guiding wisdom of the political elite. The authors of the Green New Deal assume that technocratic planners can master the movements of 328 million Americans and design a transportation system so that ‘air travel stops becoming necessary.' (This is from people who couldn't even organize the successful release of their own background document.)"

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 12:27 AM | Reply

#38

By the time the primaries are over, the Green New Deal or some other similar FDR-ish set of policies will be re-defined and supported by the candidate.... Mitch's voting games are of no consequence to that end, buh-lieve me.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:27 AM | Reply

childless bartender to consider herself capable of redesigning the entire world within a decade

Can't even clean her room .... wants to change the world...

#44 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-13 12:27 AM | Reply

#41

I was being nice... as usual.

#45 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:28 AM | Reply

Back on topic, I have been impressed with how AOC has driven the Dems agenda since she was elected, and it will be interesting how they deal with this. If the Dems in the Senate boycott the vote (which IMO would be the worst thing that they could do) then they will be seen as throwing AOC, Markey and the Democratic Senators who enthusiastically endorsed this resolution under the bus. If they do vote, then the lines in the sand will be drawn, which could also be disastrous for the Dems.

Pelosi may have to come rescue Schumer's sorry ass...I am not sure how she could accomplish this short of having AOC and Markey withdraw the Green New Deal as premature, but she has shown herself to be extremely crafty, so I wouldn't bet against her.

#46 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:29 AM | Reply

On the same day Dems are b-slapping Trump and McConnell with the Wall That Never Was, you are all orgazed over Mitch's petty political tricks.

#40 | POSTED BY CORKY

Politics is an ugly blood-sport.

McConnell is good at it, which is why he's trying to force Dems' hand on this hilarious GND thing.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:29 AM | Reply

Can't we talk about Dick Cheney's hunting accident?
--Corkus

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 12:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#41

I was being nice... as usual.

#45 | POSTED BY CORKY

Perfect!

I'm amazed at your ability to make me chuckle.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:31 AM | Reply

#47 |

Mitch is pantywaisted demagogue who was beaten senseless on a regular basis as minority leader.

#50 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:33 AM | Reply

#43

See, I knew you had it in you.

I agree that by the primaries the Green New Deal will be a distant memory and some more realistic, rational proposal will be discussed by the adults in the room.

Pero Jeffe es correcto, this could be a much bigger deal than you realize if the Dems don't handle this correctly.

#51 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:34 AM | Reply

Can't we talk about who's going to clean up the mess all these brown kids are making in the bottom of these cages?

POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

#52 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:35 AM | Reply

#50

You mean like when he maneuvered Reid into invoking the Nuclear Option? That worked out so well for the Dems...

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:36 AM | Reply

By the time the primaries are over, the Green New Deal or some other similar FDR-ish set of policies will be re-defined and supported by the candidate.... Mitch's voting games are of no consequence to that end, buh-lieve me.

#43 | POSTED BY CORKY

You are acknowledging what Tony recognized - this document is a joke.

At best it hopes to move the Overton Window (H/T: Hans) to the left. Quite honestly I think it has the opposite effect. It's "green initiatives" are so risible that they warrant pushback. Then, to include a bunch of other political unicorns that have zero to deal with Global Warming, and even the pretense of seriousness toward environmentalism vanishes.

This is political gold for the GOP IMO.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:36 AM | Reply

- if the Dems don't handle this correctly.

Aww... your sincere concern for Dems is just as heart-tugging as Jeff's.

And just as transparent.

#55 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:37 AM | Reply

One thing is for sure, Schumer needs to go as Minority Leader, and it would be best for the Dems if that was sooner rather than later.

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:38 AM | Reply

- This is political gold for the GOP IMO.

"Pocahontas!" "Lock Her Up!" and "Benghaazzii!" are political gold for the GOP among their under-educated but well fearmongered white base.

Anything that contains words of more than two syllables is not good for Republicans.

#57 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:39 AM | Reply

this could be a much bigger deal than you realize if the Dems don't handle this correctly.

#51 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Pelosi did her job. She handled it properly.

The top 4 or 5 2020 Den contenders ALL endorsed this.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:40 AM | Reply

Aww... your sincere concern for Dems is just as heart-tugging as Jeff's.

I couldn't care less how the Dems handle this, but newsflash: you are posting on a political blog, it's what we talk about.

If you want to stay in the conversation, remain productive. Otherwise, Vizzindy just opened a new bucket of paste for your mutual enjoyment.

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:41 AM | Reply

- when he maneuvered Reid

www.youtube.com

#60 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:43 AM | Reply

Pelosi did her job. She handled it properly.

I totally agree, and have said so several times.

The top 4 or 5 2020 Den contenders ALL endorsed this.

Which is astoundingly premature and falls within the discussion on the up up "Sanders Risks Getting 'out-progessived' by 2020 Dem Lineup".

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:44 AM | Reply

- you are posting on a political blog, it's what we talk about.

Funny how you can never talk about the quality of Republican Presidents on any number of threads.... or formulate anything other than caricature, much less argument on most topics.

It's like you are Fishpaw with an 5th grade education.

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:45 AM | Reply

#60

That was so sad to watch Harry Reid begging for applause by highlighting his failures.

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:46 AM | Reply

- This is political gold for the GOP IMO.
----

"Pocahontas!" ...

Has seriously harmed her. The charge didn't cause harm - it was her reaction and how she dealt with it. HUGE self-inflicted wound.

"Lock Her Up!"

As a political rallying cry - very successful.

and "Benghaazzii!"

Ah! This is absolutely the GOP's kyyptonite, especially as it pertains to complaints regarding "witch hunts". You reap what you sow.

Anything that contains words of more than two syllables is not good for Republicans.

#57 | POSTED BY CORKY

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:47 AM | Reply

#64

I demand you apologize for Reagan!!!

-Dorkus

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:50 AM | Reply

Funny how you can never talk about the quality of Republican Presidents on any number of threads.... or formulate anything other than caricature, much less argument on most topics.

#62 | POSTED BY CORKY

Go ahead and create a thread eviscerating Reagan.

Danni will immediately chime in with a few hundred thousand posts and it will set a DR record.

This thread is about how McConnell is out-maneuvering the Democrats.

#66 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 12:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Alright, I have to be in Court tomorrow morning early, so I am hanging it up for the night.

I agree with Nulli, this will be fun to watch and see how the Dems deal with this vote. I am sure the Dem Leadership is burning the 12:53 am oil to figure out their countermove.

See you all manana.

#67 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 12:52 AM | Reply

Any Republican not a anti-patriotic hypocrite would apologize for all the Republican Presidents for the last 40 years.

- This thread is about how McConnell is out-maneuvering the Democrats.

That's hilarious. The poster of this thread spent the day talking about Benghazi on another thread, rofl!

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:55 AM | Reply

This is great coming the same day that Gavin Newsome kicked high-speed rail travel in the nuts.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 12:56 AM | Reply

- I agree with Nulli,

Of course you do. If it weren't for all the rubles you make defending Nazi Coddlers and Trust Fund Toddlers around here, you'd be back to chasing ambulances.

#70 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 12:57 AM | Reply

Corky,

Please switch your hat.

#71 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 01:00 AM | Reply

"Schumer recruits famed fighter pilot to challenge McConnell in 2020"

www.politico.com

hahaha! Semper Fi, Yurtle!

#72 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 01:04 AM | Reply

Corky,

I am going to be in a half hour. I would very much enjoy discussing this threat topic with you, as a friend, not an adversary.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 01:06 AM | Reply

"I am going to be..."

I am going to bed

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 01:12 AM | Reply

lol... maybe you should go now, Painless. I am. Appreciate the offer though but it's late here.

Would like to read you on this thread when you get a chance. 'nitey nite.

www.drudge.com

#75 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 01:18 AM | Reply

ol... maybe you should go now, Painless. I am. Appreciate the offer though but it's late here.

#75 | POSTED BY CORKY

Coward!!!!

*kidding*

Yeah, the timing of my request was horrible.

Sleep well.

#76 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 01:21 AM | Reply

LOL.

Are they going to vote against it 62 times, like Obamacare?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-13 01:51 AM | Reply

"No Democrat needs to vote for this bill"

Agreed. Abstaining en masse would be the most logical response to this stunt. Take a page out of McConnel's playbook and refuse to vote on something until it has the votes to pass.

#78 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-13 08:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- Then, to include a bunch of other political unicorns that have zero to deal with Global Warming

Tbat gives away the game: to weaponize global warming to implement the eternal agenda of the left: expanding the State. Which is why they always assume the most extreme warming predictions.

#79 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 10:27 AM | Reply

Green New Deal's 55 promises that have little to do with climate change: The full

www.usatoday.com

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 10:46 AM | Reply

Couldn't be bothered to hold a vote on Merrick Garland but will hold a disingenuous vote on this to score political points. And this after he refused to hold a vote on plans to reopen the government last month because the president wouldn't sign them, calling them "pointless show votes." Why doesn't that logic apply here?

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-13 10:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

There isn't one idea in Nulli's link that isn't something we should strive to achieve. The Green New Deal wasn't written as a bill, it's a long term plan, a direction. It would be the final nail in the coffin of Trickle Down Economics. Then we can build a monument to Trickle Down by building a huge sanitation processing plant and name it "Trickle Down"

#82 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-13 10:52 AM | Reply

Why doesn't that logic apply here?

#81 | POSTED BY JOE

It does apply. Welcome to politics. Hypocrisy and double-standards are built into the system.

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 10:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There isn't one idea in Nulli's link that isn't something we should strive to achieve. The Green New Deal wasn't written as a bill, it's a long term plan, a direction. It would be the final nail in the coffin of Trickle Down Economics. Then we can build a monument to Trickle Down by building a huge sanitation processing plant and name it "Trickle Down"

#82 | POSTED BY DANNI

It is arguably the dumbest political document I've ever seen. The authors of this absurdity and its supporters can't be taken seriously as it pertains to truly addressing man-made global warming. If they were serious, they would have put forth a serious proposal worthy of consideration. This thing would make for a fantastic SNL skit, but I doubt SNL will go near this.

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-There isn't one idea in Nulli's link that isn't something we should strive to achieve.

Fine, you can achieve those things in separate bills. This is a Christmas tree with a hodgepodge of unrelated proposals, everything including the kitchen sink.

#85 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 10:58 AM | Reply

Franklin Roosevelt put forth the New Deal, people made fun of it too.

#86 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-13 11:02 AM | Reply

It's nice to be able to vote for the democrats who used to only live in the frightened imaginations of republicans.

I've been voting for the actual ones for a long time and they haven't really got much done.

#87 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-02-13 11:40 AM | Reply

Franklin Roosevelt put forth the New Deal, people made fun of it too.

#86 | POSTED BY DANNI

Did his New Deal mention farting cows?

Did his New Deal promise economic security for people unwilling to work?

Did his New Deal call for the elimination of ALL forms of traditional energy (currently 83% of total energy) within a decade?

#88 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-13 11:41 AM | Reply

The New Deal was a series of legislation, not one giant Christmas tree.

#89 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 11:45 AM | Reply

#88

I'm pretty sure his New Deal included regular train service to Europe and Hawaii.

-Danni

#90 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 11:45 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Take a page out of McConnel's playbook and refuse to vote on something until it has the votes to pass.

He can do that because he is Majority Leader, and decides what goes to the floor for votes. The Minority don't have that luxury, and while they can certainly boycott a vote, that has tons of risks. As I said earlier, if the Dems boycott this vote then that hangs the POTUS candidates who enthusiastically endorsed this resolution out to dry, making them look foolish for not voting on something they were backing.

Interesting that as of this morning, I haven't seen a peep out of Pelosi on this, maybe she is letting Schumer clean up his own mess.

#91 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 11:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Schumer recruits famed fighter pilot to challenge McConnell in 2020"
www.politico.com
hahaha! Semper Fi, Yurtle!

#72 | POSTED BY CORKY

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 01:39 PM | Reply

"Of course, Trump isn't necessarily the political genius he imagines himself to be -- and neither, for that matter, is McConnell. Though the latter has a track record of conniving legislative successes, he may have misjudged the perception of the Green New Deal beyond the conservative echo chamber.

In fact, according to one recent poll, a majority of Americans from both parties say they support the deal -- including 64 percent of all Republicans, and 57 percent of self-identified conservative Republicans.

A second poll indicated that 43 percent of Americans are more open to raising taxes on carbon emissions to pay for the deal, compared to 38 percent who opposed the move.

At this point, a show vote may inadvertently boost the Democrats McConnell intended to target. After all, they're only reflecting an attitude that's surprisingly pervasive -- and one the president ignores at his peril."

www.vanityfair.com

#93 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 01:46 PM | Reply

--according to one recent poll, a majority of Americans from both parties say they support the deal -- including 64 percent of all Republicans, and 57 percent of self-identified conservative Republicans.

Worthless. You can always get high numbers from glittering generalities. Wait until find out what's in it, like having to give up their fossil-fueled cars in 10 years, etc.

#94 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 01:54 PM | Reply

Dorkus cutting and pasting his own prior posts in the same thread has got to be one of his lamest idiosyncrasies.

Here's a hint: we read it the first time and thought it was too lame to respond to, it doesn't get any better on its redux.

#95 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 02:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ever since the democrats devastated the gop last November, Ted's panties have been in quite a bunch.

#96 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 02:08 PM | Reply

#95

RoMussolini repeats his meme for the 12th time about what a sly political operative his butt buddy Mitch is in 91... after having no response to the post about Schumer picking Mitch's next opponent for re-election for him in 72... and now he whines about being shown that post.

Another day, same whiny rwinger.

#97 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 02:08 PM | Reply

JeffJ and ROC

Have either of you actually read the 14 page bill introduced into the Senate? Or have you only heard about it through social media and online sources?

#98 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-02-13 06:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#98

Here is HR resolution "Recognizing the Duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal" in all its retarded glory. I can't imagine the Senate version is much different, if at all.

#99 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 07:21 PM | Reply

after having no response to the post about Schumer picking Mitch's next opponent for re-election for him in 72

It was just as meaningless the first time you posted it as it was 12 hours later. She couldn't win a House race in Kentucky, and is only one of three potential candidates. Now go clean yourself off.

#100 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-13 07:26 PM | Reply

#99 - ROC

So, no. Cool. Let me know when you get around to reading it and exactly what goal outlined you disagree with on principle. Not fiscally of course, because politicians, yes Rep's too, don't give two ----- about spending trillions so long as they agree with the goal of the legislation. I am super curious to know to what albatross you keep referring.

#101 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-02-13 09:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Btw, just getting to the House resolution which gives us 30 years to reach net zero emissions. So scratch the "10 years to reach net zero emissions" complaint in case you were planning to use that one. I've seen it floating around.

#102 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-02-13 09:17 PM | Reply

#100

Yep, same whiny rwinger.... you should tell your buddy Mitch to stop wasting his time preparing for her:

"McConnell, the longest-serving Senate GOP leader, is gearing up for a reelection fight and leaving little to chance. His political team has begun compiling opposition research on McGrath and delving into video tracking footage of her. On Wednesday, senior Republican Party officials involved with a pro-McConnell super PAC will meet in Washington to begin mapping out a potential campaign against McGrath.

As part of their research into McGrath, which dates back to 2017, McConnell's team has been scrutinizing her past statements and positions and looking into years of video footage of her."

from the link I gave you

#103 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-13 09:36 PM | Reply

-just getting to the House resolution which gives us 30 years to reach net zero emissions. So scratch the "10 years to reach net zero emissions" complaint in case you were planning to use that one. I've seen it floating around.

Nope. The document asserts, without evidence, that global emissions must be reduced to net zero emissions by 2050

"(4) global temperatures must be kept below 1.5 degrees Celsius above preindustrialized levels to avoid the most severe impacts of a changing climate, which will require --

(A) global reductions in greenhouse gas emissions from human sources of 40 to 60 percent from 2010 levels by 2030; and

(B) net-zero global emissions by 2050"

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-13 10:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#104 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You can find the evidence published all over the place, you dolt. No reason to stuff it all in the bill.

#105 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-13 11:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#104 - Null. Go back to sleep and try again in the AM. Maybe it'll make sense after a cup of coffee and a crossword puzzle.

#106 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-02-13 11:55 PM | Reply

Nope. The document asserts, without evidence, that global emissions must be reduced to net zero emissions by 2050
"(4) global temperatures must be kept ...
(B) net-zero global emissions by 2050"

#104 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Apparently your reading skills could use a little work. Here is the beginning of that statement...

"Whereas the October 2018 report entitled "Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5 ºC" by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and the November 2018 Fourth National Climate Assessment report found that -- "

So, no. The document DOES NOT assert that. It is quoting an assessment by the IPCC.

I see NOTHING in the Green New Deal resolution that I am opposed to. It is just a resolution so it has very few concrete statements, and it covers itself multiple times with "as much as is technologically feasible". I think carbon neutral in 10 years is probably unrealistic, but this is politics. Trump also said he would build a "big, beautiful concrete wall" along the whole border and we all know how realistic that is.

So, please... list your albatrosses. I don't see any. I am happy that McConnell is going to bring it up for a vote. It will put Republicans on record as being against preventing climate change.

More and more Americans (last I saw it was at 60%) believe that climate change is happening and that humans are responsible. And we are getting more and more evidence over time. Republicans might be able to squeeze it into their favor now (they will get more by firing up their base than they lose on people who believe in science) but momentum is in the wrong direction. Will it still be in their favor in 2 years? Keep in mind, the last 5 years have been the hottest years on record. Is that an anomaly, or a trend?

And, if it is a trend that continues over the next two years (2018 was the cool year, the past three years were hotter), what will people think of the party who unanimously rejected doing anything to tackle climate change.

#107 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-14 09:42 AM | Reply

-- It is quoting an assessment by the IPCC.

Fine. The main point I was responding to was that the document proposed 30 years to reach zero-emissions in the U.S, rather than 10. That was false.

#108 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 10:01 AM | Reply

Null. Little us. Not big US. CapItAlIZatIOn makes a difference.

#109 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-02-14 10:45 AM | Reply

So... basically your one and only "albatross" is that the resolution has a goal of being carbon neutral in 10 years.

And you just conclude doom and gloom from that goal because of your imagined extrapolations of what that "must mean" to the US economy.

Got it.

#110 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-14 11:55 AM | Reply

""First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"

AOC gets it. McConnell is just demonstrating that he is a dinosaur, as time moves forward, he will be recognized as such more every day.

#111 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-14 12:58 PM | Reply

Let me know when you get around to reading it and exactly what goal outlined you disagree with on principle.

HR and SR are the same document, and I have read the HR several times. Aside from the fact that it reads like a combination between a campaign brochure and an eighth grade civics project, as Nulli correctly points out, it "the goals described in subparagraphs (A) through (E) of paragraph (1) (referred to in this resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal goals'') should be accomplished through a 10-year national mobilization (referred to in this resolution as the ‘‘Green New Deal mobilization'') that will require the following goals and projects":

eliminating pollution and green house gas emissions;

meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources;

building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘‘smart'' power grids;

upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification;

spurring massive growth in clean manufacturing in the United States and removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from manufacturing and industry;

working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector;

overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector;

removing greenhouse gases from the atmosphere and reducing pollution.

All laudable goals, for sure, but requiring them to be accomplished in 10 years is middle school level understanding of how the world works.

AOC and Markey may as well have required research into how to have unicorns and rainbows come out of their rectums in 10 years, which is just as likely as retrofitting all buildings in the US, eliminating cow flatulence, airtravel or 100% employment during that time frame.

#112 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-14 02:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the ten-year timeframe is the worst criticism that can be mustered, i'd say it's a good bill.

#113 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 03:03 PM | Reply

-If the ten-year timeframe is the worst criticism that can be mustered, i'd say it's a good bill.

Other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

#114 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#113 | POSTED BY JOE

Exactly. These defeatists probably didn't think we could go to the moon either. This country would not be as great and powerful as it is now if the people who built this country had listened to misanthropes like that.

Maybe that's why they elected Trump to tear it down.

#115 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-14 03:14 PM | Reply

Of course someone from the party of "no" would try to belittle an actual plan. Republicans are so used to failing at getting their policies enacted that they don't even try any more. Look at the Presidential election. Democrats nominated a policy wonk with a long list of detailed policies she wanted to enact. Republicans nominated a bully with a bunch of unrealistic bumper sticker slogans (where IS your wall btw, and when are you going to "lock her up"?).

We may not accomplish it in the stated timeline, but that is the point of "stretch" goals. At least we have a vision and a goal. What does the Republican party want to accomplish? Does anyone even know? Because from what I can see the goal is just "winning" and "piss off liberals". Which is not surprising. People who are used to losing put a priority on winning. People who are used to winning prioritize WHAT they win.

#116 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-14 03:21 PM | Reply

#114 We can get started now, and if we aren't done in ten years then maybe we will be halfway there.

If you're keeping track, that's 50% farther ahead than we are today.

#117 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 03:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Forget about the absurd 10-year timeline.

Retrofitting EVERY building in the US?

The whole document is a joke and to take it even remotely seriously only sets back the problem it purports to address.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 03:47 PM | Reply

Hey Jeff, have you read Trump's budget proposals? They're equally unrealistic. Consoder the Green New Deal an opening salvo. What is Republicans' counter-proposal? Oh wait, they don't have one.

#119 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 03:55 PM | Reply

The whole document is a joke and to take it even remotely seriously only sets back the problem it purports to address.
#118 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

So fix it and make it practical.

Clearly, the notion is popular. Even more clearer is the details are not practical.

The shade being thrown at AOC is a bit misplaced, IMO. It really looks like a political attempt to undermine freshman congresswoman. Any idea how many BS drafts of legislation are completely impractical in it's pre-compromise form?

I don't either, but I'm sure this is NOT a unique situation for congress. The attempt to tap political expediency, however is nauseating (yet, not exactly unique).

#120 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-02-14 03:58 PM | Reply

Way to deflect, Joe.

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 04:01 PM | Reply

GND isn't even a starting point. That it includes so many provisions that have zero to do with environment accentuates how ridiculous of a document that it is.

#122 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 04:04 PM | Reply

There is nothing to fix, Beach.

The whole thing is a non-starter.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 04:05 PM | Reply

- So fix it and make it practical.

Which is what they are doing... while Mitch the B does fake legislating kabuki on the taxpayers dollars.

#124 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-14 04:06 PM | Reply

Way to deflect

Explaining to you the elementary principle on which negotiation works isn't a deflection.

#125 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 04:23 PM | Reply

Joe: What's your proposal?

JeffJ: We don't have one. We are just going to complain about this one.

The party of "no" in action. Hence why Republicans have exactly zero policy accomplishments.

#126 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-02-14 04:27 PM | Reply

Republicans have exactly zero policy accomplishments.

Don't forget about the $3,000,000,000,000.00 giveaway to the donor class.

#127 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-14 04:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Negotiation?

A serious negotiation starts with a serious proposal. This is the must unserious proposal imaginable. I don't think the Onion could have gone this far in coming up with a parody.

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-14 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This AOC is the skim Kardasian of Congress people.
Only stupid ----- take her seriously.

#129 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-02-14 05:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Tbat gives away the game: to weaponize global warming to implement the eternal agenda of the left: expanding the State. Which is why they always assume the most extreme warming predictions.

#79 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-02-13 10:27 AM |

The eternal agenda of the right is to expand the state and simultaneously pretend they want smaller government. The biggest spending increases have come under republican control. Saint Raygun had 2,252,000 federal employees. The population has gone up 60% since then. Obama managed to provide more services to 60% more people with 10% LESS employees

#130 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-02-14 07:33 PM | Reply

The republican proposal is to do nothing about climate change and blame the victims for the results

#131 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-02-14 07:34 PM | Reply

Crazy Cory is a very spiritual guy...

Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) said the planet "can't sustain" people eating meat, as the 2020 hopeful aims to become the first vegan president. Booker told the vegan magazine VegNews earlier this month that he became vegan after coming to the realization that eating eggs "didn't align with my spirit."

#132 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-14 09:50 PM | Reply

love the plan, hate the name. 'Green New Deal' has no pizzaz.
China had the 'Great leap Forward' and the USSR had the '5 Year Plan' series.
Mao and Stalin had such vision, and history shows how well each plan transformed those countries into modern utopias. Well, once they killed off 50 million of their citizens that is.
But I digress.
This plan needs a better name. I propose 'Comrade Cortez's 10 year Salvation Scenario'.
Any better names?

#133 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-15 08:34 AM | Reply

force the vote, the dems are running from it after endorsing it, even AOC is creating distance....lol...gotta pass it to see what is in it....lol...

#134 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2019-02-15 08:50 AM | Reply

#41
I was being nice... as usual.
#45 | POSTED BY CORKY

Perfect!
I'm amazed at your ability to make me chuckle.
#49 | Posted by JeffJ

Get a room.

#135 | Posted by DixvilleNotch at 2019-02-15 09:34 AM | Reply

force the vote, the dems are running from it after endorsing it, even AOC is creating distance....lol...gotta pass it to see what is in it....lol...

#134 | POSTED BY SCOOTER28054 AT 2019-02-15 08:50 AM | REPLY

the vote is supposed to happen after the details are worked out in committee. You don't vote on a raw initial idea

#136 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-02-15 09:38 AM | Reply

O'Rourke: I'd Destroy The Entire Border Wall If I Could

thefederalist.com

Democrats. Party of Open Borders

#137 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 09:40 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

-the vote is supposed to happen after the details are worked out in committee. You don't vote on a raw initial idea

It's a resolution, not a bill.

#138 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-15 09:42 AM | Reply

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