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What Americans who support "socialism" actually want is what the rest of the world calls social democracy: A market economy, but with extreme hardship limited by a strong social safety net and extreme inequality limited by progressive taxation. They want us to look like Denmark or Norway, not Venezuela.

Yeah, I'm not expecting this clear, concise description of what a large portion of the electorate actually wants to be honestly dealt with by the DR right.

Instead, we'll get chided for not having economics degrees to understand why going back to how we were in the 1990's is "socialism".

#1 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-10 12:24 PM | Reply

What do Trump's people, or conservatives in general, mean by "socialism"? The answer is, it depends.

The same thing can be said on the other side:

"What do Bernie's people, or liberals in general, mean by "socialism"? The answer is, it depends."

From a classical political theory standpoint, classic socialism will always be worker control of the means of production.

Liberals confuse Capitalist states with strong social safety nets as "socialism" and conservatives confuse almost anything where the government exercises primary control over the allocation of benefits as socialism...both are incorrect.

It is, however, a convenient buzzword for the masses as it fires up the mouthbreathing base on either side like nothing else.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The right wing want military and border security instead of social security.
They also want to promote income inequality by enabling regulatory capture and regressive taxation.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-10 02:20 PM | Reply

From a classical political theory standpoint

That's why I get so tired of hearing the word "socialism". Nobody is seriously calling for the implementation of worker or state owned means of production.

It is, however, a convenient buzzword for the masses as it fires up the mouthbreathing base on either side like nothing else.

Less so for the left.

It's used by the right primarily as a catchall for any lefty policy, particularly when it comes to economics or taxes.

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-10 02:25 PM | Reply

Trump vs the "socialist menace".

Nope. No bias in that headline.

I'm sure the actual article is just as equally "unbiased".

Republicans are uneducated mouth breathers. They're too stupid to understand how socialism is what helps create a stronger nation for everyone.

They're too busy being triggered by the idea that socialism is the government taking 70% of everyone's income and wealth.

Because Republicans don't have a clue what marginal tax rate means and neither do their constituents.

#5 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 03:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4

Agreed on everything except your last point, its pretty clear that the rtards on both sides of the isle use it as a catchall since they are too lazy to really drill down on the concept.

Most far left progressives think that any government program is automatically "socialism" and hyperventilate when you point out that government spending on most things like roads, military, police and even hospitals has been going on for millennia. Couple that with the far right meme that "high taxes are socialism" and you have the duopoly of stupid.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

isle=aisle

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 03:36 PM | Reply

Most far left progressives think that any government program is automatically "socialism" and hyperventilate when you point out that government spending on most things like roads, military, police and even hospitals has been going on for millennia.

Just because it's been going on for "millennia", doesn't negate what it is, Socialism.

You can't pick and choose what you consider to be socialism.

The taking of and redistribution of wealth by the government is socialism. In any form, for any reason.

Government spending on roads. Military. Police. Hospitals. Schools. Garbage collection. Post office. Etc etc etc. Are socialism.

Taxes. Are socialist.

Sorry if that's gonna make you hyperventilate.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 03:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Collectivism organized to benefit the rich is capitalism.
Collectivism organized by the government to benefit the poor is socialism.

- wing dingalings

Worse, many programs that benefit the poor reduce taxes in the long run.

Reich wingers are heartless and clueless.

#9 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-10 04:15 PM | Reply


@#5 ... Nope. No bias in that headline.
I'm sure the actual article is just as equally "unbiased". ...

Did you even see the word "Opinion:" as the first word of the headline and at the top of the page of the cited article?

Did you read the op-ed? Or notice who wrote the op-ed?

#10 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-10 04:15 PM | Reply

That's why I get so tired of hearing the word "socialism". Nobody is seriously calling for the implementation of worker or state owned means of production.

Exactly. One of my favorite op-eds on this subject was fairly recently in the Seattle Times, hardly a bastion of conservative thought, written by Froma Harrop:

What's with all this socialism business? A handful of lefty candidates are calling themselves socialists without a single radical socialistic item on their promise lists.

They seem to have little or no idea of what socialism is. And most of the conservatives talking back to them don't seem to know, either.

Simply put, socialism is a system whereby the state owns the means of production. In capitalism, the means of production are privately owned. Would someone kindly tell us which companies Bernie Sanders would nationalize, starting with Bernie Sanders?

"Spreading the wealth" is not socialism. "Taxes" are not socialism. Sweden and other Scandinavian countries that Sanders habitually holds up as models to emulate are capitalistic powerhouses. They're not taking the means of production away from the private owners. They're just taxing wealth and using the proceeds to fund their plush social safety nets.

The right likes to mock the left's calls for "free stuff," such as free college education, free health care and so forth. My main objection to "free stuff" is calling it "free."

Arguments over big government vs. small government are pretty meaningless. We have what's called a mixed economy -- a system combining private and public enterprise. We ask the government to provide the socially desired goods and services that the private sector won't.

On the left, calling oneself a socialist has become something of a pose, and I wish such individuals would desist. For one thing, they're obviously not socialists. (A mandated $15 minimum wage is not socialism. It's a labor regulation.) And for another, "socialism" sounds scary to many Americans who would otherwise embrace universal coverage, more money for education and a lot of other changes progressives are calling for.

No one's been made the commissar of terminology, but I do wish the free market of ideas would better patrol itself. Socialism is not currently on the American political menu. Let us all stop pretending -- self-proclaimed socialists and their critics alike -- that it is.

The silly debate about socialism

#11 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 04:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Couple that with the far right meme that "high taxes are socialism" and you have the duopoly of stupid.

#6 | Posted by Rightocenter

Republicans can't claim to be fiscally conservative.

Not after the results of the two Bush tax cuts and the 2017 GOP bill ended up creating massive annual deficits and debt. The same GOP who whined about deficits and debt the minute they lost the WH have managed to return us to $1T+ deficits Obama managed to get down to $500B from $1.4T. This in the middle of what they call a booming economy when tax revenues should be pouring in, paying down the debt.

Tax cuts do not create anything but deficits and debt. But Republicans keep using the "Starve The Beast" playbook, conceived during Reagan's presidency, so they can dismantle any and all social safety nets.

The GOP are liars and hypocrites.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2019-02-10 04:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#10

Whichever of my plonked stalkers you are responding to obviously couldn't be bothered /never bothers to actually learn something by clicking on a linked article...that would upset their preconceived yet uneducated bias.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 04:32 PM | Reply

#12

Deflection noted.

#14 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 04:32 PM | Reply

hyperventilate when you point out that government spending on most things like roads, military, police and even hospitals has been going on for millennia.

That they've been going on for longer than the term socialism has been defined doesn't mean they aren't socialism.

Zero existed before mathematicians formally described it, correct?

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-10 04:53 PM | Reply

--What Americans who support "socialism" actually want is what the rest of the world calls social democracy: A market economy, but with extreme hardship limited by a strong social safety net and extreme inequality limited by progressive taxation. They want us to look like Denmark or Norway, not Venezuela.

Pro-tip: if you don't want your schemes to be compared to Venezuela, Cuba, etc., use honest language. Call it welfare-state capitalism or social democracy. If I was on that team I would rebrand it as "Compassionate Capitalism." That would sell. But the left hates capitalism so much they would rather cripple themselves for the edgy, hip, romance of calling themselves "socialist."

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-10 04:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

That they've been going on for longer than the term socialism has been defined doesn't mean they aren't socialism.

It doesn't mean they are, either...all political and economic systems by necessity need roads, military, police, hospitals, etc. They are necessities of modern life and are part of the public enterprise, whether they are funded by collectivism, taxes, oil revenues or the royal coffers.

Interestingly, a US version of a socialist program is the Alaska Permanent Fund dividend paid to each Alaskan resident every year, yet the so called Democratic Socialists rarely talk about it.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-10 05:25 PM | Reply

Did you even see the word "Opinion:"

Yep.

"Trump Versus the Socialist Menace", in a nation that's already stupid afraid of socialism, because they've been trained to hate it, more negative phrases aren't helpful.

Did you read the op-ed? Or notice who wrote the op-ed?

I don't know who that is. But, I did take the time to read the article and you're right. It actually confirms a lot of my opinions about socialism and America's misunderstanding of what it is. Mostly due to Republican lies.

So. You're right. It's a good article. But I'm still upset at the title. It's intent is to provoke. But it's provoking to wrong section of society.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 05:36 PM | Reply

Whichever of my plonked stalkers you are responding to

Jesus Christ, the ego on this fkkk is unbelievable.

I find It gross how unbelievably narcissistic you are.

But. I guess you need to feel important. And telling others you use the plonk feature must make your feel extremely special.

What a sad, desperate life you live.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 05:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

all political and economic systems by necessity need roads, military, police, hospitals, etc. They are necessities of modern life and are part of the public enterprise, whether they are funded by collectivism, taxes, oil revenues or the royal coffers.

You can try to ignore or redefine it all you want.

But the government collecting taxes to do anything, is socialism.

#20 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 06:07 PM | Reply

Pro-tip: if you don't want your schemes to be compared to Venezuela, Cuba, etc., use honest language.

Pro-tip: Venezuela isn't an example of socialism.

Use honest language.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-10 06:09 PM | Reply

Venezuela is a great example of socialism. A tiny minority get very rich, it goes very bad for everybody else.

Sweden is a great example of what happens when you dabble with socialism then pivot back to market capitalism with school vouchers, privatized social security, etc, because you've realized the government can't be trusted to run it themselves.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-11 08:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

--Pro-tip: Venezuela isn't an example of socialism.

Clownspeak: Capitalist Norway is socialist. Venezuela isn't. Slavery is freedom. Ignorance is strength. War is peace.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-11 10:03 AM | Reply

But the government collecting taxes to do anything, is socialism.

#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

No, it isn't.

You've learned nothing on this thread.

Go back to class.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 10:27 AM | Reply

But the government collecting taxes to do anything, is socialism.
#20 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Lol that's funny right there.

AoC grade naive ..

#25 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-11 10:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

AoC grade naive ..

#25 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

NW!

#26 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 10:55 AM | Reply

Only fascists are afraid of socialism. They wouldnt know what it was if came up and bit them on their obese cellulite encrusted behinds.

#27 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-11 01:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Venezuela is a great example of socialism.

You clearly haven't a clue what socialism is.

A tiny minority get very rich, it goes very bad for everybody else.

Great definition for capitalism.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

because you've realized the government can't be trusted to run it themselves.
#22 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

The government doesn't run itself. It's supposed to be held responsible by the constituents.

Unfortunately, a lot of effort has been put in to getting people to forego an education and fear the government.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Capitalist Norway is socialist. Venezuela isn't.

Neither are.

"Slavery is freedom. Ignorance is strength. War is peace."
-Republican mottos.

Get back to me when you actually got something worth posting.

#30 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The government doesn't run itself. It's supposed to be held responsible by the constituents.

#29 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-02-11 02:36 PM | REPLY

They did hold it responsible. It was incompetent so they took responsibility for themselves.

The people that aren't trusted are the poor. They're soaked with taxation for their own good.

#31 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-11 02:43 PM | Reply

"What Americans who support "socialism" actually want is what the rest of the world calls social democracy"

Putting aside what we call it:

Why don't conservatives want those things?

What's so bad about Norway and Sweden and Denmark?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 02:45 PM | Reply

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

You taking from all to use for the benefit of everyone.

Socialism.

You've learned nothing on this thread.

Lamplighter taught me some. The rest of you are ignorant of what you're talking about.

Go back to class.
#24 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You have nothing to offer Jeff.

You're a nice guy. But, you're an idiot.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:50 PM | Reply

I can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 02:52 PM | Reply

AoC grade naive ..
#25 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Go back to living off your inheritance and let the rest of us deal with the real world.

AOC is in congress trying to make a change to help Americans.

What are you up to?

#35 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:53 PM | Reply

They did hold it responsible. It was incompetent so they took responsibility for themselves.

Doesn't sound like you're holding anyone responsible.


The people that aren't trusted are the poor. They're soaked with taxation for their own good.

Not sure what this means other than "Fffk the poor."

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 02:59 PM | Reply

Pro-tip: if you don't want your schemes to be compared to Venezuela, Cuba, etc., use honest language. Call it welfare-state capitalism or social democracy. If I was on that team I would rebrand it as "Compassionate Capitalism." That would sell. But the left hates capitalism so much they would rather cripple themselves for the edgy, hip, romance of calling themselves "socialist."

Nobody should change what they're doing just because you can't understand anything beyond bumper sticker politics.

#37 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-11 03:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I can lead a horse to water but can't force it to drink.
#34 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Bless me with your wisdom Jeff. Shower me with your knowledge.

Preach brother!!

Taxation isn't socialism! Only when used for welfare! Amen brother Jeff!

Roads aren't socialism and neither is in military! But healthcare. That is the devil! That's right! Socialism is the Devil's work! Amen!!

Preach Jeff. Lead me to that Water! Let me Drink!!! Amen! Amen! Amen!!

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 03:05 PM | Reply

What's so bad about Norway and Sweden and Denmark?

They are great, and there are a lot of things that they do that conservatives in the US want to emulate:

Severely limit legal immigration to keep employment numbers high
Little or no illegal immigration to keep employment numbers high
Spend only 1% of GDP on defense so that the other 2% that the US spends can pay for things like infrastructure, debt reduction, education and entitlements
Reform pensions so that they can actually be paid
Clamp down on public employee unions lobbying activities
Sectoral bargaining by private employee union
Require private unions to take over unemployment benefits for their members (the Ghent system)
Require legal residents on unemployment assistance to be employed after a certain number of months (the Ghent system)
Limit union donations to politicians
Become a net exporter of oil (Norway)
Implement school voucher systems (Sweden and Denmark)
Eliminate tenure in schools and make them performance based (Sweden and Denmark)

The list goes on and on, and most of these things that these so called "social democracies" do are anathema to most Progressives.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is my favorite part of the article:

"What Americans who support "socialism" actually want is what the rest of the world calls social democracy: A market economy, but with extreme hardship limited by a strong social safety net and extreme inequality limited by progressive taxation."

#40 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 03:10 PM | Reply

Nobody should change what they're doing just because you can't understand anything beyond bumper sticker politics.

#37 | POSTED BY JOE

He was pointing out that what Democrats (Green New Deal aside) are advocating isn't socialism. The Scandinavian countries that people point to as a beacon have capitalist economies with a large welfare safety net. That isn't socialism.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 03:11 PM | Reply

there are a lot of things that they do that conservatives in the US want to emulate

Who are these conservatives you speak for?

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 03:12 PM | Reply

That isn't socialism.
#41 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

You fear it all the same.

#43 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-11 03:13 PM | Reply

Fear it?

Nice straw man.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 03:16 PM | Reply

The list goes on and on, and most of these things that these so called "social democracies" do are anathema to most Progressives.

#39 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-02-11 03:10 PM | REPLY | NEWSWORTHY 1

Now try selling any of those ideas to US progressives. Let us know how that works out for you.

#45 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-11 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It strikes me very odd people calling themselves progressives want to be so much like those Euro countries. Do most of them just not know what it actually entails? It's a lot of very, very unpopular capitalism.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-11 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Scandinavian countries that people point to as a beacon have capitalist economies with a large welfare safety net. That isn't socialism.

I agree. It's therefore unfortunate that every time a Democrat suggests even the slightest expansion of our current, woefully inadequate social safety net they are accused of being a socialist.

Obama was a socialist according to Republicans. So was Hillary. The overuse of this term is almost exclusively on your side.

#47 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-11 03:46 PM | Reply

It strikes me very odd people calling themselves progressives want to be so much like those Euro countries. Do most of them just not know what it actually entails? It's a lot of very, very unpopular capitalism.

#46 | Posted by sitzkrieg

It strikes you as odd because you believe fox new's false portrayal of "progressives" as anti capitalism commies wearing che hats.

If you stop believing fox news, the world will make a lot more sense.

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-11 03:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Joe,

I agree that critics of Democrats and liberal/progressive policies misuse the term 'socialist'.

On the other side of the coin we have people on this very thread arguing that socialism is something that it's not.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-11 03:55 PM | Reply

Now try selling any of those ideas to US progressives. Let us know how that works out for you.

IKR- They just ignore them like Shreek did in responding to your #46

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 03:57 PM | Reply

"The list goes on and on, and most of these things that these so called "social democracies" do are anathema to most Progressives."

Really? I don't see anything on that list that's a deal-breaker for progressives, provided things like "limit union contributions to politicians " also apply equally to corporate contributions to politicians.

#51 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:00 PM | Reply

"It strikes me very odd people calling themselves progressives want to be so much like those Euro countries. Do most of them just not know what it actually entails? It's a lot of very, very unpopular capitalism."

So that's why conservatives oppose it?

Too much capitalism, not enough corporate welfare?

#52 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:01 PM | Reply

Really? I don't see anything on that list that's a deal-breaker for progressives

Cool, I will put you down for:

Restricting legal and illegal immigration
Eliminating tenure
School vouchers
Pension reform
Fracking
Pulling out of NATO
Sectoral Collective Bargaining
Privatization of Unemployment Insurance
Workfare

#53 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 04:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You forgot "free health care."

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:08 PM | Reply

And "free college."

#55 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:08 PM | Reply

Those weren't on the list that you said you supported.

Nice try though.

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 04:14 PM | Reply

I'll make a deal with you Snoofy, you get everything that I listed you as supporting in #53 passed into law and I will lead the charge on M4A and free college.

#57 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 04:16 PM | Reply

On the other side of the coin we have people on this very thread arguing that socialism is something that it's not.

#49 | Posted by JeffJ

I wouldnt spend too much time trying to explain what liberals mean by "socialism" to trump supporters.

Their brains can't handle anything that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.

"Socialism = venezuela" fits on a bumper sticker.

"Socialism = government regulating predatory powerful corporate institutions, controlling healthcare costs, providing a decent education, and preventing excessive wealth inequality" would need a really small font and is too long for trump's cult to read.

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-11 04:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#58

Looks like Shreek just coined himself a previously unknown definition for "socialism."

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 04:28 PM | Reply

"Those weren't on the list that you said you supported."

1. Because you cherry picked the list for supposed deal-breakers.

2. And I didn't say supported, I said weren't deal-breakers.

3. Affordable health care and education are probably the top two things people want from "socialism."

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Venezuela is a great example of socialism. A tiny minority get very rich, it goes very bad for everybody else.

Comrade ---------

You just described Fascism you stupid alt-right ninny, but are too stupid to realize it!

#61 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-11 04:33 PM | Reply

"I will lead the charge on M4A and free college."

Why aren't you leading the charge for those things right now?

Why don't you want a public option and free college?

#62 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 04:40 PM | Reply

--Looks like Shreek just coined himself a previously unknown definition for "socialism."

"When I use a word," ShriekLoudly said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

#63 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-11 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why aren't you leading the charge for those things right now?

Show me the money!

Why don't you want a public option and free college?

I do, but see above.

Get your priorities list in #53 passed and we will be much closer financially to those goals.

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 05:03 PM | Reply

Financially?

The issue isn't finance, it's lack of political will.

You're in the "bargaining" stage of Kübler-Ross.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 05:07 PM | Reply

Liberals confuse Capitalist states with strong social safety nets as "socialism"

#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Stupidity at a level so high its astonishing. How can someone be so proud in being so obviously wrong?

His entire premise is:


> 1% Capitalism = 100% Capitalism

but

< 100% Socialism = 0% Socialism.

#66 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-11 05:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Looks like Shreek just coined himself a previously unknown definition for "socialism."

#59 | Posted by Rightocenter

Looks like you are going to continue your cult leader's strategy of misrepresenting what liberals are proposing.

#67 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-11 05:52 PM | Reply

This entire thread is about semantics and vocabulary, not ideas.

Trump's cult can't run against fighting wealth inequality, providing better healthcare, and making education affordable, but they can run against those things if they call them SOCIALISM and scare america's moron class.

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-11 05:54 PM | Reply

#66

Like I said in the Rep. Omar thread, you really need to have Snoofy give you pointers on assigning positions to people that they never took, because you are terrible at it...or really dumb, some times its hard to tell which.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 06:04 PM | Reply

"Show me the money!"

See: Trump tax cuts.

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:06 PM | Reply

You're in the "bargaining" stage of Kübler-Ross.

And you are just perpetually stuck in the denial stage.

#71 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 06:06 PM | Reply

"Why don't you want a public option and free college?

I do, but see above."

^
You're so good at assigning positions, you assigned yourself a position that you aren't going to take.

#72 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:08 PM | Reply

"And you are just perpetually stuck in the denial stage.
#71 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER"

LOL.
More assigning positions.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:09 PM | Reply

#72

I have been clearly in support of both of those positions, especially regarding free community college, which is already achievable.

#74 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 06:10 PM | Reply

#73

Just responding to your assignment...what's wrong, you don't like it when someone does it to you?

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 06:11 PM | Reply

You're either here to have a discussion or you aren't.

Let me know which, okay?

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I have been clearly in support of both of those positions, especially regarding free community college, which is already achievable."

Someone showed you the money?

Then why'd you assign yourself the position of needing to see the money?

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:17 PM | Reply

"Why aren't you leading the charge for those things right now?

Show me the money!"

Maybe I misinterpreted that.

I thought you were asking, how do we pay for it.

But maybe it means you're waiting for a lobbyist to demonstrate how supporting that policy will help secure you funding for your election campaign.

That would be a lot more in line with the context of Jerry Maguire, who operates on a pay-to-play basis.

Is that what you meant when you said show me the money, send in the lobbyists?

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Funny, but not playing your game, Snoofy.

#79 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-11 06:29 PM | Reply

You used a phrase that means you play ball only when you reap the maximum finacial reward from your billionaire owners for doing so.

Was that not what you intended to convey?

Then you shouldn't have used that phrase.

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 06:52 PM | Reply

RightOCenter maybe you'd like to explain the difference, if any, between show me the money and it's all about the Benjamins baby:

"On Sunday, Omar responded to a tweet by journalist Glenn Greenwald that reads, "GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy threatens punishment for @IlhanMN and @RashidaTlaib over their criticisms of Israel. It's stunning how much time US political leaders spend defending a foreign nation even if it means attacking free speech rights of Americans."

Omar replied, "It's all about the Benjamins baby"

#81 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-11 07:04 PM | Reply

give you pointers on assigning positions to people that they never took,
#69 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

I paraphrased your inbred logic. You're very trump-like in your ability to forgot the things you routinely post on the internet.

"STOP JUDGING ME FOR WHAT I SAAAAYY 😭😭😭😭😭😭!!!!" -- RoC

#82 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-11 07:07 PM | Reply

FakeLawyer talking out of his southern most orifice again.
So sad.

#83 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-11 08:54 PM | Reply

Federal and local Governments own and operate power projects offering better rates to consumers and better wges and benefits to employees than any private Corporation. That's a fact that RoC can't connect to his tiny brain cells. The same was true of all British railroads, until Thatcher ruined it. These operations are natural monopolies, which is where socialist programs shine, because whenever a Capitalist gains control of a monopoly market the temptation to engage in pillaging and plundering is overwhelming. Microsoft is not above murder and drug companies have become notorious for these practices. There are many companies in this country which are solely owned by employees and thriving, including SRC Holdings Corporation, Parsons Corp, Westech... its a very long list

www.amazon.com

www.greatgame.com

as usual RoC is FoS

#84 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-11 09:06 PM | Reply

It strikes you as odd because you believe fox new's

#48 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2019-02-11 03:48 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

No, I just cruise this site occasionally.

I can tell you things that Democrats in general, and Progressives are steadfastly against:

Eliminating tenure
School vouchers
Pension reform
Fracking
Pulling out of NATO
Privatization of Unemployment Insurance
Privatization of Social Securuity
Soaking the poor with Taxes

Without those, you can't have your capitalist economy calling itself Socialist.

#85 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-12 08:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Intersectionality forbids everything above, and that is the current cornerstone of Progressive politics which are dominating Democrat talking points.

#86 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-12 08:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#85 - "I can tell you things that Democrats in general, and Progressives are steadfastly against:

Eliminating tenure
School vouchers
Pension reform
Fracking
Pulling out of NATO
Privatization of Unemployment Insurance
Privatization of Social Security
Soaking the poor with Taxes

Without those, you can't have your capitalist economy calling itself Socialist."

And it's not just the Democrats.

Divisive snobbery is unbecoming. A slice-and-dice tactic.

Repent.

#87 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-02-12 12:51 PM | Reply

I can tell you things that Republicans in general, and Conservatives promote relentlessly:

Eliminating tenure
School vouchers
Pension reform
Fracking
Pulling out of NATO
Privatization of Unemployment Insurance
Privatization of Social Security
Privatization of everything
Soaking the poor with Taxes

This is also true.

But it fails to address the consequences for failure to achieve constitutional mandates which are the business of our Government. Thus standing alone it just is another utterly useless statement.

#88 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-12 10:41 PM | Reply

Thus standing alone it just is another utterly useless statement.

#88 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-02-12 10:41 PM | FLAG:

Go ahead and sell privatization of social security to the field of Democrat 2020 hopefuls.

Let me know how it works out for you.

#89 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-13 09:06 AM | Reply

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