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Friday, February 08, 2019

The Swiss model, intelligently adapted, has a shot here. [snip] Here's a thought that might provide the basis for an agreeable compromise on health care: Switzerland was the right place to look. But the architects of the ACA took the wrong lessons ... In Switzerland, health insurance and the delivery of health care are entirely private enterprises. There is no Swiss NHS, no single-payer, no "public option" -- none of that. Switzerland has health care that is by European standards 1) excellent and 2) expensive. Insurance coverage, though entirely private, is universal. It is also heavily regulated and sustained through various direct and indirect subsidies, and consumption is restrained not through the god-kings of political management but through substantial out-of-pocket costs. There is a great deal of consumer choice and competition across internal political jurisdictions -- as a result of which, Switzerland has one health-insurance company for every 100,000 residents ...



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I'm not sure I buy into this but I found it interesting.

Here is the final paragraph:

This is of course an imperfect outline. I am sure that it contains shortcomings other than the ones that are obvious to me. But it seems to me a reasonable starting place to pursue a compromise that speaks to the most important substantive concerns of progressives and conservatives alike. I welcome your thoughts.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-07 10:53 AM | Reply

"It is also heavily regulated"

regulation, otherwise known as the "Rule of Law", is an attack on todays "conservative" values and ideology.

this is why we cant have nice things

because todays "conservative" wants everything covered in ----

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-02-07 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

Market forces catalyzed by a nimble and effective government? This is the democratic socialism that conservatives are terrified of. The last thing they want is real competition in a marketplace, that requires effort on behalf of capitalists.

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 01:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Thanks for bringing this up Jeff. I wish the other rightwingers would give some input.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 02:42 PM | Reply

Like I said, Dr Jones, I'm not sure I buy into it but the Swiss are having some success with it, so it's worth looking into.

#5 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-07 02:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Every penny of profit in the healthcare system is a penny wasted. Profit should be eliminated from healthcare, not for providers but for payers. We need single payer, no phoney baloney Swiss healthcare plan is going to work. It's just garbage.

And this from the article:

"And so here we are again. The Democrats are ready to go the full NHS"

Totally a lie. Democrats have not ever suggested we should have a NHS, if you want to be credible don't include obvious lies, repeated many times, in that ridiculous article.
We're not looking for a British type healthcare system, more like a Canadian type system. The right loses credibility when they lie.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-08 09:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

What Jeff fails to recognize, we already have the Swiss system. It's too expensive for millions of Americans. Private healthcare insurance only adds costs. That's all it does. Denying services is a profit maker. Profit should not be in our healthcare equation. I don't care what the Swiss do.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-08 09:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

interesting article. good read.

#8 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-08 09:59 AM | Reply

I'm still waiting for The Donald's great plan that provides better care, covers everyone and is much cheaper.
It's pretty cruel of him that he has a plan like that but doesn't reveal it.
It's been more than two years now.

#9 | Posted by eightfifteenpm at 2019-02-08 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

#6 The Canadian system is the second least efficient health system in the world after the US.
Single payer without copays for primary and preventative care and decent critical care is the way to go. Canada doesn't suffer from much private health insurance, but it still suffers from a specialist dominated health system that focuses to much on expensive sick care and not enough on primary and preventative care. This is because the hotshot docs want to be high paid specialists and they control the health system. Better than insurance death panels, but Canada could learn from Europe.

#10 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-08 10:46 AM | Reply

I'm never bored by your posts BORED. Thanks for your input.

#11 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-08 10:48 AM | Reply

so it's worth looking into.
Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-07

Posted by JeffJ at 2021-02-07

Mark my Words
You Just Wait

#12 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-02-08 10:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Yeah... there is an easy way.

It's called the ER.

#13 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-08 11:53 AM | Reply

"Switzerland has a lot of that, but so does the United States. Our problem at the moment is not personnel, capital, or expertise."

Our problem today IS capital. Our country is already leaking money terribly. We already spend more than we make. We already owe way too much. Just because we have a huge economy doesn't mean we are rich. Any plans, even non healthcare related, should ALWAYS include ways that the proposed system will reduce spending compared to the old system. In today's US, that should be the #1 priority. We went too long with this mentality that just because we are so huge, we can spend spend spend. That got us into this mess. We will never get out until saving becomes the #1 priority in any strategic decisions.

#14 | Posted by humtake at 2019-02-08 12:18 PM | Reply

The right loses credibility when they lie.


And they lose the last thing they have when they don't.

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-08 12:34 PM | Reply

"We will never get out until saving becomes the #1 priority in any strategic decisions."

Utter nonsense. If we built up a surplus, as Bill Clinton did, the next Republican elected would give it all to the 1% in the form of another tax cut, as George Bush did.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-08 12:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#14 For every dollar spent there is a dollar received. Spending itself isn't bad. Spending on non-production wasteful products and services is the problem.
US healthcare is 18% of the GDP and almost half of that is wasted on paper shuffling and rent seeking. The US can't afford that economic cancer anymore.
US MIC isn't as wasteful as US healthcare and that is saying a lot.

Side rant...
The US seems to prefer to spend money on police and jails rather than schools and harm prevention social care (mental health counsellors, welfare). It is mean spirited and costly to tax payers. People that don't graduate from high school cost tax payers about $200k over their life time including reduced tax revenue. The cost benefit of helping kids that are failing early if targeted well is a no brainer even for selfish rich people that have their kids in private schools, helping poor kids will save them money.

#17 | Posted by bored at 2019-02-08 12:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There is only one way to every citizen getting healthcare free: Every citizen must pay a tax for it.

Anything less than this is just partisan pandering for votes..

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-08 02:29 PM | Reply

"There is only one way to every citizen getting healthcare free: Every citizen must pay a tax for it."

So I guess the citizens who get it free right now -- veterans, those over 65, people in poverty -- are the first class citizens, and everyone else is second class.

And what really irks you is we picked the poor to be first class.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-08 02:40 PM | Reply

Switzerland has heavy price controls and social subsidies in their insurance system, along with an expansive list of mandatory coverages (and an individual mandate). It is laughable to see anyone who votes for Republicans tout this as a worthy example. Obamacare was a step toward what Switzerland does.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 02:47 PM | Reply

....those over 65.....

#19 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-08 02:40 PM | FLAG: Assuming you mean Medicare, it is not free as the average person pays into that system for 40-45 year before being able to access. Check you 'pay stub' sometime and determine that it is 'free' for you when you turn 65.

#21 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-08 03:18 PM | Reply

#21 | POSTED BY MSGT AT 2019-02-08 03:18 PM | FLAG: BTW Snoofy, your employer matches those FICA monies, just like with Social Security.

#22 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-02-08 03:32 PM | Reply

"Assuming you mean Medicare, it is not free"

I'm aware.

Boaz wrote "There is only one way to every citizen getting healthcare free: Every citizen must pay a tax for it."

I didn't think it was necessary to point out taxes aren't free.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-08 03:48 PM | Reply

Obamacare was a step toward what Switzerland does.


Half-assing it only made things worse.

#24 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-09 03:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yeah, i'm sure you would have been a big supporter had they gone all in. As it was Republicans were calling it socialism.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-09 08:59 AM | Reply

Median US HOUSEHOLD income is $59,039 a year; Percent of GDP US Health Care costs: 17.9%; US MRI cost $1,119; US Appendectomy $15,930... for some

Swiss net-adjusted DISPOSABLE income PER CAPITA is USD $36,378 a year; Percent of GDP US Health Swiss costs: 12.2%; Swiss MRI cost $503; Swiss Appendectomy $6,040... for all citizens,

Can't find equivalent income comparison.

#26 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-09 11:33 PM | Reply

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