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Wednesday, February 06, 2019

A wave of bankruptcies is sweeping the U.S. Farm Belt as trade disputes add pain to the low commodity prices that have been grinding down American farmers for years. Throughout much of the Midwest, U.S. farmers are filing for chapter 12 bankruptcy protection at levels not seen for at least a decade, a Wall Street Journal review of federal data shows.

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Will Pres Trump's upcoming trade agreements come soon enough to help save the Farm Belt farmers?

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-06 07:14 PM | Reply

as trade disputes add pain to the low commodity prices that have been grinding down American farmers for years.

This has been a long time coming:

The rise in farm bankruptcies represents a reckoning for rural America, which has suffered a multiyear slump in prices for corn, soybeans and other farm commodities touched off by a world-wide glut, made worse by growing competition from agriculture powerhouses such as Russia and Brazil.
The Trade War certainly hasn't helped, but it is not the cause of these bankruptcies.

#2 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-06 07:32 PM | Reply

#2 "Trump may have poured gasoline all over the building, but he wasn't the one that knocked over the candle."

#3 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-06 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Kansas experiment failed hard.

And worse Trump hates farmers and all who working to make ends meet.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2019-02-06 07:39 PM | Reply

Didn't take long for that trade war cheerleading nugget to spoil

#5 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-02-06 07:40 PM | Reply

The Debt King sure knows how to manipulate the real estate market and deliver productive American farmland to his Russian financiers for kopeks on the ruble.

#MAGA

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-06 07:45 PM | Reply

"Trade disputes under the Trump administration with major buyers of U.S. farm goods, such as China and Mexico, have further roiled agricultural markets and pressured farmers' incomes. Prices for soybeans and hogs plummeted after those countries retaliated against U.S. steel and aluminum tariffs by imposing duties on U.S. products like oilseeds and pork, slashing shipments to big buyers.

Low milk prices are driving dairy farmers out of business in a market that's also struggling with retaliatory tariffs on U.S. cheese from Mexico and China. Tariffs on U.S. pork have helped contribute to a record buildup in U.S. meat supplies, leading to lower prices for beef and chicken."

"Thanks, Trumpism! We'll be sure to vote against our own best self-interests again next time!"

#7 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-06 07:46 PM | Reply

I feel really sorry for that 'family' farm owner in the article that farmed 17,000 acres. This is a corporate bankruptcy, the Dems should be smiling.

#8 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-06 09:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

They'll miss their farm, but they still support their Trump, because it'll be great soon.

#9 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-06 09:48 PM | Reply

The Trade War certainly hasn't helped, but it is not the cause of these bankruptcies.
#2 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Sez who?

#10 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-02-06 10:47 PM | Reply

Sez who?
#10 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR

The cause is large corporate farms using illegal immigrants driving family farmers out of business. In Wisconsin, a family used to be successful on 60 cows. 20 years ago, this moved up to the low hundreds. Now, it is not uncommon to see people with 2000-3000 cows. They have an army of illegals for milking and outsource the crop part to other large contractors. That one family represents 40-50 traditional family farms but does not make the income of 40-50 families but maybe 5 or 7. With the profit gone, they cannot afford US citizen workers. If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals.

#11 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-06 10:52 PM | Reply

It's tight out there. My clients are the same folks described in the article. Fortunately I think we have a great group of clients at our firm and we keep adding them all the time.

It's going to be a rough road for the next few years in the farm sector.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-06 11:06 PM | Reply

The cause is large corporate farms using illegal immigrants driving family farmers out of business. In Wisconsin, a family used to be successful on 60 cows. 20 years ago, this moved up to the low hundreds. Now, it is not uncommon to see people with 2000-3000 cows. They have an army of illegals for milking and outsource the crop part to other large contractors. That one family represents 40-50 traditional family farms but does not make the income of 40-50 families but maybe 5 or 7. With the profit gone, they cannot afford US citizen workers. If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals.

Does anybody else see a giant inconsistency in this post?

#13 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-06 11:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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It's borderline jibberish, actually. get rid of illegals and small family farms will be just fine?

the economies of scale for farming is continuing to drive the direction we are going.

fewer and larger farms will survive from this....there is no changing that.

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-06 11:14 PM | Reply

Does anybody else see a giant inconsistency in this post?

It's an inconsistency that only Jill Stein can resolve.

#15 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-02-06 11:14 PM | Reply

"The cause is large corporate farms using illegal immigrants"

Are those large corporations run by Democrats or Republicans?

"They have an army of illegals for milking"

Then ICE should have an easy time rounding them up, and arresting the CEOs, right?

"If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals."

Sounds more like get rid of the CEOs providing those jobs.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-06 11:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This was part of the plan. Billionaire mega farms can now absorb the millionaire farms.

#17 | Posted by prius04 at 2019-02-06 11:53 PM | Reply

Sez who?

#10 | POSTED BY OLDWHISKEYSOUR AT 2019-02-06 10:47 PM

Try reading the article for once.

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-06 11:53 PM | Reply

I am fine, I am diversified on my farm .. I don't know who these particular farmers are though, I certainly haven't talked to anyone going bankrupt.

Then ICE should have an easy time rounding them up, and arresting the CEOs, right?

Not at all, they have work visas. ... how do you not know how this works?

Sounds more like get rid of the CEOs providing those jobs.

Legally, they are working here legally, with work visas .. why can't you figure that out .. do you even know how this works?

The CEOs aren't employing the undocumented .... Again how can you not understand what is happening, don't you read?

#19 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-07 12:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

It's going to be a rough road for the next few years in the farm sector.
#12 | POSTED BY EBERLY

I haven't had many problems soybean, cotton and tilapia/catfish farmer in LA. prices aren't tanking polyester is the biggest variable, given oil prices.

#20 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-07 12:53 AM | Reply

- I certainly haven't talked to anyone going bankrupt.

Idiotic anecdote assumed as fact.

"Let them eat tilapia!"

Which is just another bottom feeder like mAndy.

#21 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:23 AM | Reply

Idiotic anecdote assumed as fact.

Well I have more data than you.....

Which is just another bottom feeder like mAndy.

Its a money maker ... more than you apparently....

You say hi to Stephan yet? You above talking to the hoi polio?

#22 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-07 01:32 AM | Reply

A country must be able to feed and protect itself. Do whatever is necessary to protect an efficient and productive farm industry.

#23 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-02-07 01:39 AM | Reply

The cause is large corporate farms using illegal immigrants driving family farmers out of business.

Shut up stupid.

You're literally cheering on famine so you can feel good about some puritanical xenophobic ideal.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-07 01:45 AM | Reply

If you want to save traditional farming,

Traditional farming is too expensive to feed the masses you elitist jackhole.

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-07 01:48 AM | Reply

And here I thought that Trump's tax cut, with its nearly full repeal of the so-called 'death tax', was going to save all of those family farms.

OCU

#26 | Posted by OCUser at 2019-02-07 01:48 AM | Reply

Does anybody else see a giant inconsistency in this post?
#13 | POSTED BY JPW

Nope.

The post is stupid and the poster is a moron.

It's consistent.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-07 01:51 AM | Reply

I haven't had many problems soybean, cotton and tilapia/catfish farmer in LA.

I'm sure you ate dinner.

Therefore, hunger doesn't exist.

Don't forget to breath. You'll pass out, again.

#28 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-02-07 01:57 AM | Reply

Are those large corporations run by Democrats or Republicans?

- This matters for what reason? You want the truth? They voted GOP since the 80's because the large GOP donors wanted illegals (via visas or with faked documents) so their labor cost was lower. Back then, the Dems - driven by Union money - were opposed to illegals. Now, they are supporting the Dems because they are open border, free traders. The USA be damned as long as they can make a profit. That is who you leftists have become.

"They have an army of illegals for milking"
Then ICE should have an easy time rounding them up, and arresting the CEOs, right?

- First, most have fake docs for the CEO's have no worries despite knowingly hiring them. The local police look the other way with every illegal driver, uninsured car, and uninsured driver because they rely on the large farmers to get elected to government positions. Again, this is not a Democrat OR GOP problem - it is a Democrat AND GOP problem because the top 0.1% are fluid in their support. Look at Wall Street for another example.

"If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals."
Sounds more like get rid of the CEOs providing those jobs.
#16 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

- Yeah, that works for me. When are Dems going to call on them to be arrested? You need cheap food for your welfare plantation to work and you love the anchor babies being pooped out as future voters. Admit it, you hate the US.

#29 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:08 AM | Reply

"Not at all, they have work visas. "

Nob said they were illegals. I was responding to that.

#30 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:11 AM | Reply

"When are Dems going to call on them to be arrested"

So you're basically blaming the Dems because Republicans are hiring illegals, abetted by Republicans in government.

Sometimes the comedy just writes itself.

#31 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:14 AM | Reply

"Admit it, you hate the US."

I'm curious: can you taste the stupid when you barf something that dumb?

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:16 AM | Reply

"When are Dems going to call on them to be arrested"
So you're basically blaming the Dems because Republicans are hiring illegals, abetted by Republicans in government.
#31 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Are you truly that stupid? Again, for probably the 1000th time you heard it - it is a DEMOCRAT AND GOP problem. The only thing that has changed is Trump demanding action. Prior, we had nobody looking out for the US. Now, we have Trump. But, to get it done, we need bipartisan action. So, that is why we need the Dems to actually do something to help the country for once. For a welfare leach like yourself, I know it is easier to just have illegals so you can blame your life failings on them and pretend their isn't a solution. Lifelong losers like yourself are destroying the country.

#33 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:18 AM | Reply

"Again, this is not a Democrat OR GOP problem"

Nonsense.

The rural areas are largely Republican, as are the members of the local Chambers, as are the local cops.

#34 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I am fine, I am diversified on my farm .. I don't know who these particular farmers are though, I certainly haven't talked to anyone going bankrupt.

I'm guessing most of them don't have trust funds.

And you farm Tilapia?

How fitting. A bottom feeder selling people bottom feeders.

#35 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-07 02:20 AM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

When you are for open borders and against tariffs, there is no other conclusion to draw other than that you are so GD stupid that you don't understand the policies and their outcomes. Based on your posting history, I guess that is probably a 50/50 in your case.

#36 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:21 AM | Reply

"For a welfare leach like yourself..."

Why are your ideas so worthless you have to wrap them in -----------?

#37 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:24 AM | Reply

Nonsense.
The rural areas are largely Republican, as are the members of the local Chambers, as are the local cops.
#34 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

What % of rural residents are part of the chamber of commerce? You act as those all geographies are some sort of monoliths. All areas of the country are dominated by the 0.1% of the population and they get the policies that help them. It is illegal to be in this country without authorization and yet we have 20+ illegal here. That is not because they are wanted by the rural people, it is because they are wanted by the 0.1% aided and abetted by the Democrat party looking for future voters. Even a lifelong loser like yourself can understand that.

#38 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:25 AM | Reply

"When you are for open borders ..."

I'm not.

Why do you feel the need to purposely misrepresent my position? Why lie?

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:26 AM | Reply

Why are your ideas so worthless you have to wrap them in -----------?
#37 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You are a lifelong loser that benefits from the US being dragged down by destructive policies. I assume it is you thinking you will get a bump in your welfare check with the Dems in power. Go get a university degree, get a job, and be productive with your life before you turn into Snoofy.

#40 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:27 AM | Reply

"What % of rural residents are part of the chamber of commerce?"

What kind of a stupid benchmark is that?

What % of CoC are Republicans? 95%? Higher?

#41 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:28 AM | Reply

Why do you feel the need to purposely misrepresent my position? Why lie?
#39 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I know logic isn't your strong suit, but it you aren't for fixing our current illegal immigration crisis, you are for open borders regardless of how you want to polish the turd.

#42 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:29 AM | Reply

"You are a lifelong loser..."

I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very surprised by that news.

#43 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:30 AM | Reply

What % of CoC are Republicans? 95%? Higher?
#41 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Not very good at Venn diagrams, are you? As I said, the problem is with the 0.1% - they are fluid in their support (like the Kochs). You are so stupid that you think your 'party' is different. Reality check, it ain't your party. As GC says, it's one big club and you ain't in it.

#44 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:31 AM | Reply

"You are for open borders regardless..."

You're full of horse manure. Clearly you can't make your argument without creating a strawman.

#45 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:33 AM | Reply

I'm sure a lot of people are going to be very surprised by that news.
#43 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

I doubt that. You have been exposed here as having no degree and the people that know you in real life know your lack of accomplishments already. Maybe the other 2 dumber than box of hammers on here like JPW will be shocked though.

#46 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:33 AM | Reply

"You are so stupid that you think your 'party' is different. "

I've never belonged to any party. I registered as an independent, and never changed it.

Meanwhile, you can't post without lying.

#47 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:36 AM | Reply

"You have been exposed here as having no degree"

That's a lie as well. I graduated college in the late 1979.

#48 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:37 AM | Reply

I graduated college in the late 1979.
#48 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Which one?

#49 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:39 AM | Reply

"Maybe the other 2 dumber than box of hammers on here like JPW will be shocked though."

What a riot. You can't even construct an error-free sentence.

Nice werk, Einstein!

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:40 AM | Reply

Danforth,

For just one day be a righty. Just make ---- up and throw facts to the wind while getting mad at those who disagree with you.

The thrill you'll get will be very informative as to why nobiasmoron and his fellow rectal fetuses like sniper, ------------------- and fishpuss are the way they are.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-07 02:40 AM | Reply

I do appreciate the shout out ----------------------.

It lets me know that I'm living in at least one of your two functional neurons.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-07 02:42 AM | Reply

"Which one?"

Why...the one I attended, silly.

They wouldn't have graduated me if I hadn't attended.

#53 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:44 AM | Reply

They wouldn't have graduated me if I hadn't attended.
#53 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Subway University? Congrats -------.

#54 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:46 AM | Reply

"As I said, the problem is with the 0.1%"

That's because you're avoiding the clear facts: the rural areas are the ones harboring the illegals, the Republicans own the factories, the Republicans run the local governments, and the rural cops are Republicans. So are the Kochs, and virtually all the members of the rural CoCs.

But it's the Democrats' fault, right?

#55 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:47 AM | Reply

"Subway University? Congrats -------."

You lied, jerk. And rather than recant, you've decided to double-down.

Fine by me, but that just makes you a lying jerk. Weak sauce, frankly; it exposes the fact you have nothing else.

#56 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:49 AM | Reply

So are the Kochs, and virtually all the members of the rural CoCs.
But it's the Democrats' fault, right?
#55 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That's cute. Danforth still thinks he is part of party and they are different. Sorry son, they aren't and you don't matter.

#57 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:51 AM | Reply

"Danforth still thinks he is part of party"

I guess reading isn't your strong suit.

#58 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:52 AM | Reply

Weak sauce, frankly;
#56 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

As a Subway University grad, I defer to your expertise on sauces.

#59 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 02:53 AM | Reply

"I defer to your expertise"

I suggest you copy that phrase, and keep it on your clipboard.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:57 AM | Reply

"Sorry son"

And how old are you, old man?

And since we're on the subject, where did you matriculate?

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 02:58 AM | Reply

I suggest you copy that phrase, and keep it on your clipboard.
#60 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

You betcha. For anything sandwich related, I will always give your opinion great credibility.

#62 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 03:00 AM | Reply

And since we're on the subject, where did you matriculate?
#61 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

UIUC then Stanford.

#63 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 03:02 AM | Reply

"For anything sandwich related, I will always give your opinion great credibility."

And for any post of yours, I'll just assume you're lying, or clueless. Or both.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 03:02 AM | Reply

And for any post of yours, I'll just assume you're lying, or clueless. Or both.
#64 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

That is what simpletons usually do in the presence of their betters, I would expect nothing different.

#65 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 03:04 AM | Reply

"That is what simpletons usually do in the presence of their betters"

You're a prime example of Dunning-Kruger.

Meanwhile...I'm simply going with the facts: You claimed I don't have a degree; that's a lie. You claimed I'm for open borders; that's also a lie. And in regards to illegal workers, you pretend to be clueless about who lives in and controls the rural areas that harbor illegals.

Lying, or clueless. Or both.

#66 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 03:17 AM | Reply

"UIUC then Stanford."

State college in Illinois, and then what...you audited a class in California?

#67 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 03:20 AM | Reply

State college in Illinois, and then what...you audited a class in California?
#67 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

If that is what makes you feel better about your lack of achievement in life, sure.

#68 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 03:30 AM | Reply

"If that is what makes you feel better about your lack of achievement in life, sure.

What a riot. You had to pretend I didn't have a degree...just to feel better about yourself.

Project(ile) much?

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 03:43 AM | Reply

You had to pretend I didn't have a degree
#69 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

What degree and what school aside for Subway University?

#70 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 03:47 AM | Reply

"What degree and what school"

It didn't matter when you made the false claim; why would it matter now?

#71 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 03:55 AM | Reply

It didn't matter when you made the false claim; why would it matter now?
#71 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Danforth
Bachelor of Arts in Sandwich design
Subway University
Class of 1979

Voted most likely to be castrated by the pickle slicer

Quote: "When Snoofy says, 'just the tip', don't believe him"

#72 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 04:00 AM | Reply

Yawn.

#73 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 04:01 AM | Reply

#72 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

You mention your education and be a Better.

Your posts show quite the opposite though.

For example, you seem to believe anyone against the Wall is for Open Borders.
Or, anyone against a trade war with China is against all tariffs.

You seem like quite the simpleton.

#74 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-07 12:33 PM | Reply

The cause is large corporate farms using illegal immigrants driving family farmers out of business. In Wisconsin, a family used to be successful on 60 cows. 20 years ago, this moved up to the low hundreds. Now, it is not uncommon to see people with 2000-3000 cows. They have an army of illegals for milking and outsource the crop part to other large contractors. That one family represents 40-50 traditional family farms but does not make the income of 40-50 families but maybe 5 or 7. With the profit gone, they cannot afford US citizen workers. If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals.

#11 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

Lets circle back around and make fun of you for being stupid some more.

Illegal immigration has dropped. The number of illegal immigrants in the country has dropped. It was the lowest in a decade when Obama left office and remains low.
Yet Farm Bankruptcies are at a 10 year high.

Less illegal immigrants. More farm bankruptcies.

Was your degree in Underwater Basket Weaving?

#75 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-07 12:45 PM | Reply

Illegal immigration has dropped. The number of illegal immigrants in the country has dropped. It was the lowest in a decade when Obama left office and remains low.

- Seriously, what in the hell are you talking about? You seem to be confused by simple topics. Let me help you. Do you know the difference between the yearly budget deficit and the debt? Apparently not because the number of illegals continues to grow and is over 20M at this point.

Yet Farm Bankruptcies are at a 10 year high.
Less illegal immigrants. More farm bankruptcies.

- The premise for your moronic statement is wrong which makes this false attempt at a correlation even more ridiculous.

Was your degree in Underwater Basket Weaving?
#75 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

- Offended at my jab at Subway University? Sorry for insulting your alma mater.

#76 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 01:43 PM | Reply

You betcha. For anything sandwich related, I will always give your opinion great credibility.

#62 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101

No qualifications except sandwich expertise... unironically saying "You Betcha".

I'm starting to think this lightweight troll isn't a rooskie, but can see russia from her house.

#77 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 02:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Looks like Comrade nobias aka Sheepie, needs to stay in the shallow end of the pool. He is clearly getting his butt handed to him in this thread. Silly Ruskie!

#78 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-07 06:08 PM | Reply

He is clearly getting his butt handed to him in this thread. Silly Ruskie!
#78 | POSTED BY ABORTED_MONSON

The only way Danforth could have lost this debate worse than did is if he was wearing blackface when typing his nonsense.

#79 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 07:43 PM | Reply

"The only way Danforth could have lost this debate worse than did..."

You're as dumb as Special Eddie. Are you Special Eddie?

#80 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-07 07:55 PM | Reply

The only way Danforth could have lost this debate worse than did is if he was wearing blackface when typing his nonsense.

#79 | Posted by nobiasposter101

Says the moron who can't stop saying "Subway University".

#81 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-07 08:13 PM | Reply

You're as dumb as Special Eddie. Are you Special Eddie?

- I don't know the people from your Subway University graduating class. How many wore a helmet 24/7?

#82 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 08:15 PM | Reply

Says the moron who can't stop saying "Subway University".
#81 | POSTED BY JPW

I 100% apologize. I just looked and the correct name is University of Subway. Sorry if you took offense to me calling it Subway University. But, isn't there lettuce you should be washing right now?

#83 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-07 08:18 PM | Reply

Geeze all this win-ning... are y'all as exhausted by it as I am?

#84 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 08:24 PM | Reply

If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals.

And get ready for either $10 gallons of milk or massive dairy subsidies. Conservatives will complain about either one despite their own policy being the root cause.

#85 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 05:49 AM | Reply

They have an army of illegals for milking and outsource the crop part to other large contractors. That one family represents 40-50 traditional family farms but does not make the income of 40-50 families but maybe 5 or 7. With the profit gone, they cannot afford US citizen workers. If you want to save traditional farming, get rid of the illegals.

#11 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101 AT 2019-02-06 10:52 PM | REPLY

Without a doubt the most effing stupid, vapid, soulless, ridiculous excuse-making-for excuses post ever.
What will you blame next for Trump's failures, the Lunar New Year?

#86 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-02-08 09:36 AM | Reply

RCADE: at some point you have to permanently ban Sheeple or whoever the hell this clown is that you previously banned. Trolling for the sake of trolling is one thing, this crap is just ridiculous.

#87 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-02-08 09:39 AM | Reply

And get ready for either $10 gallons of milk or massive dairy subsidies. Conservatives will complain about either one despite their own policy being the root cause.
#85 | POSTED BY JOE

Great, another idiot lib that has never stepped foot on a farm and has zero understanding of ag is going to lecture us on milk prices. Here is some quick knowledge so next time you don't embarrass yourself as badly:

Current milk prices are current $17/hundredweight (about 9 gallons) - this is the price that the producer gets. So, it costs under $2/gallon for raw milk. Your price on the shelf might be $3.50 so the packaging, distribution, and store mark up is ~$1.50/gallon. So, for $10 milk, we would need the cost of production to rise to $8.50/gallon, or increase by 425%. So, let's do some calculation on if this would occur without illegals:

A rule of thumb is that it takes 1 worker equivalent for every 60 cows. A cow on average produces ~2,700 gallons/year. So, each worker produces 162,000 gallons. Assuming a 50 hour work week, that comes down to 60 gallons/hour.

If we increased wages by $15/hour, that would add a whopping $0.25/gallon to the producer cost. Now, this increase is small to the end consumer, but it would make a large 3,000 herd operator non-viable - their costs would increase over $2M/year. However, it would allow smaller family farms to compete and stay in business.

#88 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 11:47 AM | Reply

If we increased wages by $15/hour, that would add a whopping $0.25/gallon to the producer cost

Can you explain how your figures support that?

I've worked in ag, by the way.

#89 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 11:55 AM | Reply

Can you explain how your figures support that?
I've worked in ag, by the way.
#89 | POSTED BY JOE

I have already written everything out for you. The only part you needed to do was divide $15/hour labor cost increase by the 60 gallons/milk produced per worker equivalent.

This really is no different that Libs saying lettuce would cost $5/head without illegals, that is also nonsense.

#90 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 11:58 AM | Reply

Forgive me for not swallowing your unsourced figures. A formal report prepared by the National Milk Producers Federation estimates that "Eliminating immigrant labor would reduce the U.S. dairy herd by 2.1 million cows, milk production by 48.4 billion pounds and the number of farms by 7,011. Retail milk prices would increase by an estimated 90.4 percent."
www.nmpf.org

That's a lot more than 25 cents. Why are your numbers so different from theirs?

#91 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 12:21 PM | Reply

www.nmpf.org
That's a lot more than 25 cents. Why are your numbers so different from theirs?
#91 | POSTED BY JOE

That entire link is nonsensical with the exception of the amount of immigrants working (50% of labor force) and that the large operators suspect that they are hiring illegals (70% have low or medium confidence in employee documents).

Outside of this, they use nonsensical measurements for employee compensation ('benefits' like housing) and don't seem to know that we have a huge over-supply of milk already - which is depressing prices for producers but does not really impact the retail market for milk as excess milk supply is used to make cheese or powdered (which is at historically high inventory levels). So, the reduction in supply due to getting rid or illegals is not actually taken into account as this report chooses to ignore family farms which typically has.

#92 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 12:35 PM | Reply

under 60 cows and would be viable again if we enforced immigration laws.

Cut off for some reason.

#93 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 12:36 PM | Reply

That entire link is nonsensical

Their data is based on a survey of 1,000 dairy farms. How many dairy farms were surveyed to get your numbers? Where are they sourced? Where is your link?

#94 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 12:52 PM | Reply

#94 | POSTED BY JOE

I am giving you industry standard data - any farm journal will support each of the numbers I provided. Here are some for each assumption I used:

Milk price: www.ams.usda.gov
Milk/cow: www.holsteinusa.com
Work/cow equivalent: afs.ca.uky.edu

Pretty much just simple math. Then again, I am not shilling for 3000+ herd operators so I can just stick to the facts.

#95 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 12:59 PM | Reply

None of those links discuss how immigrant wages affect milk prices. Only my link does that. Thanks for playing.

#96 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 01:34 PM | Reply

None of those links discuss how immigrant wages affect milk prices. Only my link does that. Thanks for playing.
#96 | POSTED BY JOE

LOL. You probably believe the cigarette company research that second hand smoke is safe too. I can't fix stupid so I guess I don't have anything left to say to you.

#97 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-02-08 01:42 PM | Reply

I can't fix stupid

I know. You'd have started with yourself years ago.

#98 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-08 02:17 PM | Reply

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