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Tuesday, February 05, 2019

Senator Elizabeth Warren said Tuesday that she was sorry that she identified herself as a Native American for almost two decades, reflecting her ongoing struggle to quiet a controversy that continues to haunt her as she prepares to formally announce a presidential bid.

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stolen valour

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-02-05 09:36 PM | Reply

stolen valour

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92

What's the valour?

Warren screwed up. Her family told her they had native blood, she believed them and used it on her college applications. She took advantage of opportunities that were meant for native americans. Whether she did it knowingly or not is hard to prove.

For me, I can overlook it because it was long ago, it's murky, and she's spent her whole career fighting for the poor, sick, and working class. But the way she's handled it has been clumsy. She should just say - I lied to get help paying for college, it's the worst crime of my life. Then she should start listing trump's lies and crimes which would take about 3 days.

I love all the fake outrage from trump supporters about it, because self serving lies can only be told by trump, no one else.

If liberals are looking for a candidate who has NOTHING that trump can attack, that person doesn't exist. So pick the flawed person with the best record of fighing the for americans against the elites. Instead of the flawed person who also moonlights as a puppet for bankers, insurance companies, and warmongers.

#2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-05 09:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Her punishment should come in the form of a smallpox blanket.

Or just measles, that's a popular one these days!

Is the "Race" field on this form used to give handouts, or is it just used for demographics?

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-05 10:01 PM | Reply

One less for the clown car. Back to the wigwam with ya.

#4 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-05 10:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No need to pile on Professor Warren. She's going nowhere.

#5 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-05 10:17 PM | Reply

Once more the meaning and consequences of government policy are buried in white noise.

#6 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-05 10:30 PM | Reply

Is the "Race" field on this form used to give handouts, or is it just used for demographics?
#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A distinction without a difference.

#7 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-05 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No need to pile on Professor Warren. She's going nowhere.
#5 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I wouldn't fold her TeePee yet....

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-05 10:33 PM | Reply

No chance of me voting for her. None. Liars GTFO.
Now, when will you yahoo GOPers demand the same from Trump?

#9 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-02-05 10:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What's the valour? - Speaks

Indians? At least that is the the Left has been claiming...

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-05 10:34 PM | Reply

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"Is the "Race" field on this form used to give handouts, or is it just used for demographics?
#3 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

A distinction without a difference.
#7 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS"

^
Can I see your math on that one?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-05 10:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

This is inexcusable. If we the voters send the signal that this is ok before you know it we'll have a POTUS who's a serial liar known for stiffing contractors his entire adult life while grabbing women by the ----- and defrauding the IRS!

It would be the end of America as we know it if we let this stand!

#12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-05 10:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

So?

Keep bringing home the nothing burgers.

#13 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-05 11:25 PM | Reply

What this boils down to is another scandal of assuming privilege.... initially Trumplethinskin was whining on and on about how she used it to get "special status"... because when equal opportunity laws came about and broadened the competition... suddenly there were all these minorities getting freebies based on the color of their skin or what ever. People still say that... right here in this forum... because heaven know those minorities couldn't have possibly been as qualified.

Its a bogus way of trying to discredit her because because without all this faux scandal arising about her she was considered a stellar performer... and she is also proud her heritage... which appears to have deep roots in this country.... not surprising for someone with deep roots on the east coast.

In this post Dancing with Wolves world where the native mystique has a certain cache everyone who has an ounce of inheritance loves bragging about it... so what? 100 years ago claiming any native in your ancestry was worse that claiming your were black.

BTW all that free money just given to minorities when there were all those whites that deserved it more... is a republicl*wn version of a unicorn... only it makes them sad instead of happy.

This myth is also backfiring creating a social climate driving young white males to kill themselves in record numbers... all because the world ain't fair... boohoohoo

#14 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-06 12:02 AM | Reply

This was probably a side-effect of her bone spers.

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-06 12:07 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

Warren is fine... she needs to continue doing what she is doing... but as for the White House... we need younger people to take the helm. In 15 years we will be at 9 billion and the US will still be one of the big players ... people who have a stake in that world should be running it.

#16 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-06 12:20 AM | Reply

This was probably a side-effect of her bone spers.

#15 | Posted by snoofy

Excessive hamberder consumption results in really weird symptoms sometimes.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-06 12:32 AM | Reply

"Excessive hamberder consumption results in really weird symptoms sometimes."

Sometime a side of freedom fries helps balance. Or some traitor tots.

If none of that works, a cup of smocking hot covfefe should do it.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-06 12:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 5

And Trump claims his skin is genetically orange, despite the big white tanning goggle marks around his eyes.

Next

#19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-06 06:46 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the Democrats weren't insane, this would be the final nail in the coffin for Professor Warren's campaign.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-06 08:23 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The never ending refrain on this site

"but she never used it for advantage..."

oooops

#21 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-02-06 08:34 AM | Reply

Were she to be nominated, her opponent lies about his skin color too. What's the difference?

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-06 08:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Indian? That's racist.

#23 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-02-06 08:41 AM | Reply

#21 Filling out a bar card doesn't give you any kind of advantage. It's an annual registration form for people who have already been admitted to the bar.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-06 08:42 AM | Reply

#24 so she used it on that form, but nooo other form? come on

#25 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2019-02-06 09:00 AM | Reply

"If the Democrats weren't insane, this would be the final nail in the coffin for Professor Warren's campaign."

Yet you voted for President Bone Spurs.

#26 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 09:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Yet you voted for President Bone Spurs.

Nope, I voted for Jill Stein, for the sole purpose of annoying you. It worked!

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-06 09:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

A LOT of Trump deflections on this thread but most of them are at least somewhat funny.

#28 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-06 10:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#27, No you didn't vote for Stein, Nulli. Russians can't vote in our elections.

#29 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-02-06 10:47 AM | Reply

So what?

You don't think every law student with an ounce of minority blood in them didn't use it to get an edge in law school and law firm hiring?

It's cut throat. I loved my friends in law school but I would have punched one in the face for a job at a top firm. And I would have let them do the same to me if it meant them getting in. Competition is at the heart of law school, unlike other educational systems. You use every single damn thing you can to be at the top and stand out.

#30 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-06 11:34 AM | Reply

Whether she did it knowingly or not is hard to prove.

I would think the lack of native Americans in the family photo's would be a clue.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-06 11:36 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If the Democrats weren't insane, this would be the final nail in the coffin for Professor Warren's campaign.

It would be for any other ideology besides Democrat.

#32 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-06 11:38 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

All Democrats do is lie.

Warren lied about being an Indian to get into College.
Obama possibly lied about being a foreign exchange(or possibly not) student to get into his elite, liberal college.

#33 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-06 11:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Nope, I voted for Jill Stein, for the sole purpose of annoying you. It worked!"

So, in actual affect, you voted for Bone Spurs because Stein had no chance of winning she just cost Hillary enough votes in swing states to enable Trump to win.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 11:50 AM | Reply

"All Democrats do is lie."

You have the President with the most documented lies in history and you say Dems lie? Ridiculous.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 11:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Corporate controlled media will keep covering this story til warren quits. She threatens their power and profits more than any other candidate, which means we should support her more than any other candidate.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 11:51 AM | Reply

What if all my life my parents told me I was of Irish descent, then one day I discovered I wasn't? Just like one of the commercials for Ancestry.com shows one of their customers finding out that they were completely from a different nation that what they always believed.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 11:52 AM | Reply

All Democrats do is lie.

#33 | Posted by boaz

HAHAHAHhahahah yeah remember when all the democrats on this site used to pretend to be another race so they could trash that race without being called racist?

Oh wait. That wasn't democrats. That was you.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 11:52 AM | Reply

-So, in actual affect, you voted for Bone Spurs because Stein had no chance of winning

keep acting like every vote cast who for a 3rd party candidate was a vote stolen from one major party candidate only. Not the other one.

I could just as easily accuse anybody of voting 3rd party of giving their vote to Hillary.....because it was a vote that otherwise would have gone to Trump.

#39 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-06 11:54 AM | Reply

"keep acting like every vote cast who for a 3rd party candidate was a vote stolen from one major party candidate only. Not the other one. "

I'm only commenting on the actual affect it had on the Presidential race. Excuse me for bringing facts into the discussion. If you didn't want Trump to win you wouldn't vote for anyone that would take away votes from the only candidate that had realistic chance to defeat him.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 12:00 PM | Reply

keep acting like every vote cast who for a 3rd party candidate was a vote stolen from one major party candidate only. Not the other one.
I could just as easily accuse anybody of voting 3rd party of giving their vote to Hillary.....because it was a vote that otherwise would have gone to Trump.

#39 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Exactly. And it's also been shown to her that Gary Johnson got far more votes than Stein, including the swing states that Trump won. Heck, I'm a registered Republican and I voted for Johnson. The notion that my vote somehow benefited Trump over Clinton is risible.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-06 12:06 PM | Reply

Danni,

What if you didn't want either one of them to win?

That was the boat I found myself in.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-06 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

So, in actual affect, you voted for Bone Spurs because Stein had no chance of winning she just cost Hillary enough votes in swing states to enable Trump to win.

Like my vote for Johnson, Nulli is in So Cal so his vote for Stein didn't matter other than a protest given that Billary won California by 4M votes.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-06 12:10 PM | Reply

What makes Danni and the other hyper partisans on the Left panic is the very real prospect that a Howard Schultz run could very well siphon off enough Democrat votes to hand Trump a second term.

#44 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-06 12:11 PM | Reply

"I'm only commenting on the actual affect it had on the Presidential race"

but you're wrong. you're assuming all votes for 3rd party were vote owed to Hillary. It could be a vote that helped Hillary...not just Trump.

#45 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-06 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If she lied about this, what else has she been lying about? We need to see proof that she's female.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-06 12:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

but you're wrong. you're assuming all votes for 3rd party were vote owed to Hillary.

Depends upon the 3rd party candidate you are talking about...

I am pretty sure that 99% of those that voted for Stien, if they had to pick; would have picked Hillary over Trump.

Its a specious argument that Stien votes were split equally, but Shultz could.

Meaning the 3rd party moniker is pointless when talking about this "stolen" votes, you need to consider where on the spectrum the 3rd party candidates were.

#47 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-06 12:21 PM | Reply

What if you didn't want either one of them to win?
That was the boat I found myself in.
#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Then should have not voted for that position ...

Vote for what you want ...

#48 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-06 12:22 PM | Reply

"What if you didn't want either one of them to win?
That was the boat I found myself in."

Sometimes you have to face facts, one or the other was definitely going to win. You can make a protest vote if you want but when you do you generally assist the candidate yu are most opposed to.

"but you're wrong. you're assuming all votes for 3rd party were vote owed to Hillary. It could be a vote that helped Hillary...not just Trump."

No, I'm just agreeing with Michael Bloomberg. 3rd party candidates are spoilers and usually help the candidate mot oppositional to their own ideas. As was the case with Nader. As was the case with Stein. That's not opinion, that's fact. You don't have to like it but it is still true. Our system of "winner take all elections" just isn't set up for 3 parties. Even Teddy Roosevelt could win as a third party candidate.

#49 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 12:23 PM | Reply

If she lied about this, what else has she been lying about? We need to see proof that she's female.

#46 | Posted by visitor_ at

You don't care about lies. Spare the pretense.

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-06 12:24 PM | Reply

"Its a specious argument that Stien votes were split equally, but Shultz could."

She ran as a Green Party candidate, Greens weren't going to vote for Trump.

#51 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 12:25 PM | Reply

I suppose I'll state the obvious: No Trump supporter cares about lies or liars. The lie that you care is just one more evil trick in your bag.

#52 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-06 12:25 PM | Reply

We need proof that Visitor isn't a Russian bot.

#53 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-06 12:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Can't people say they're whatever race they want?

#54 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-06 12:27 PM | Reply

I hope she stays in. Her and Bernie will split the primary votes and both be done.

#55 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-06 12:30 PM | Reply

#55 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02

Do you run into Scott Walker at the "Y"?

#56 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-06 12:32 PM | Reply

I like Senator Warren. Her mind is definitely in the right place as far as ideas at keeping the aristocrats under some regulation and control. Of course, that's why they hate her so much. That said, I don't think she should run for President. Warren has bungled this one issue enough that it will suck all of the attention and energy away from her campaign and any important issues. Unfortunately, she won't be able to overcome this as easily as Mr. "Grab 'em by the **ss*" has overcome so many worse issues. No need for her to further muddy the Democrats Presidential waters. She should simply remain a Senator.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-02-06 12:43 PM | Reply

"Obama possibly lied about being a foreign exchange(or possibly not) student to get into his elite, liberal college." - #33 | Posted by boaz at 2019-02-06 11:39 AM

In the exact same post claiming that all Democrats can do is lie, boaz repeats a discredited lie about Obama and thinks that his "possibly" covers the fact that he claimed it.

Priceless.

#58 | Posted by Hans at 2019-02-06 12:47 PM | Reply

Danni,

What if you didn't want either one of them to win?

That was the boat I found myself in.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ

In that situation, if you live in a swing state, you have a responsibility to vote for the lesser evil. If you couldn't tell which one that was, go back to school. Elementary school.

#59 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 12:51 PM | Reply

Unfortunately, she won't be able to overcome this as easily as Mr. "Grab 'em by the **ss*" has overcome so many worse issues. No need for her to further muddy the Democrats Presidential waters. She should simply remain a Senator.

#57 | Posted by Whatsleft

Maybe she should deal with this flaw the way trump deals with his flaws - by adding so many other flaws that they all seem to not matter.

I fail to see why democrats should play this "One strike and you're out game" when the other team gets UNLIMITED strikes.

#60 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 12:53 PM | Reply

If she lied about this, what else has she been lying about? We need to see proof that she's female.

#46 | Posted by visitor_

Trump supporters don't get to suddenly start caring about lies.

#61 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 12:54 PM | Reply

No Zed. But he's still in your head I see!

#62 | Posted by wisgod at 2019-02-06 12:56 PM | Reply

Can't people say they're whatever race they want?

#54 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-02-06 12:27 PM

Only if they loudly proclaim that they "identify" with that race after they are caught.

-Rachel Dolezal

#63 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-06 12:59 PM | Reply

Caught doing what?

Is there some racial test???

#64 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-06 01:18 PM | Reply

All Democrats do is lie.

Warren lied about being an Indian to get into College.
Obama possibly lied about being a foreign exchange(or possibly not) student to get into his elite, liberal college.

#33 | Posted by boaz

Oh piss off moron.

You support the biggest liar to ever soil the office of POTUS.

While citing a conspiracy theory about Obama to bolster your argument.

I'll give Trump credit for one thing, his speech last night seems to have emboldened the proudly stupid wing of his base.

#65 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-06 01:28 PM | Reply

Who would have ever thought that when she wrote that in, the president would make her prove it and she'd be able to win a million dollars for a charity of her choice. I wonder which charity she chose and I wonder how long trump will stiff them. Longer or shorter than he stiffed those veterans' charities?

#66 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-06 01:31 PM | Reply

self serving lies can only be told by trump, no one else. - #2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-05 09:45 PM
Whataboutism

Now, when will you yahoo GOPers demand the same from Trump? - #9 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-02-05 10:33 PM
Deflection

before you know it we'll have a POTUS who's a - #12 | Posted by jpw at 2019-02-05 10:52 PM
Deflection

And Trump claims - #19 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-06 06:46 AM
Whataboutism

her opponent lies about his skin color too. What's the difference? - #22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-02-06 08:36 AM
Whataboutism

#67 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-06 02:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#67 | Posted by Avigdore

Credibility counts.

If someone cares a lot about ONE lie from person A, but doesn't care about a THOUSAND lies from person B, should we care what that something thinks?

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 02:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Warren should campaign as a Venezuelan Indian, making whistle stops in an electric car.

#69 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2019-02-06 02:15 PM | Reply

its interesting all the experts on what it is to be Native American and how Warren had no right to do what she did... most of you are barking up your own asses.

1. Being able to claim "Native American"status is a legal designation bestowed upon people with direct linkage to a specific bands of Natives recognized buy the U.S. government. It started under the Dawes act during the when native groups were assigned to reservations. You are assigned an enrollment number only after determining your status.

2. Having the status has nothing to do with blood quantum or less to do with it than you think it does. There are plenty of legally designated Native Americans who have less "native blood" than Elizabeth Warren. They were adopted or part of the mixed bloods that sided with their native families when they were compelled to choose during the removal. There are natives with way more native blood who are not recognized as native Americans because they don't belong to a recognized tribe.

3 There was little or no money and "preferential" treatment afforded natives... even then it still required high level of scholarship Warren and I are of the same generation and there were no government funds... if anything the government was remiss in paying monies owed for timber and minerals for decades.. so it was the tribes the tribes who usually provided the scholarships and most of them had no money until the Casinos.

You are making a big deal out of nothing.

#70 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-06 04:48 PM | Reply

You are making a big deal out of nothing.

#70 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

I don't know, I say we keep making a big deal out of it until trump pays the $million.

#71 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-06 04:55 PM | Reply

You are making a big deal out of nothing.

#70 | Posted by RightisTrite

That's the whole point.

There's nothing else to take her down with and they are scared sh**less of her, so they need to make this seem disqualifying.

It's no surprise trump and repub are fixated on it. The sad things is the mainstream media is giving them a megaphone to do it with.

It's hillary's email server all over again.

#72 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 05:20 PM | Reply

www.youtube.com

#73 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-06 06:25 PM | Reply

I thought I would throw that video in because it was of the same era when being native was cool and everyone wanted to celebrate it. Buffy a First Nation Cree had no issues with it.

#74 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-06 06:31 PM | Reply

Deplorables worry Bigly about Pocohantas.

#75 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-06 07:02 PM | Reply

If someone cares a lot about ONE lie from person A, but doesn't care about a THOUSAND lies from person B, should we care what that something thinks? - #68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 02:11 PM
What some theoretical person thinks about person A or B isn't relative to the discussion of Senator Warren's continued claims to be a Native American. It would be an act of deflection to pretend otherwise.
I'm pointing out that you are utilizing whataboutism in an apparent attempt to give person A a pass on her actions.

#76 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-06 07:56 PM | Reply

Warren needs to go away for now. Too much baggage, and the optics are not good. Could see a sec of state role after a democratic win for the Whitehouse. Don't see her as presidential material at the moment.

#77 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-06 08:05 PM | Reply

I'm pointing out that you are utilizing whataboutism in an apparent attempt to give person A a pass on her actions.

#76 | Posted by Avigdore

If you read the thread you'd see I'm not giving her a pass. I'm simply saying no intellectually consistent trump supporter can attack her for lying. Although asking a trump supporter to be honest or intellectual about anything is a pipe dream at this point.

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 08:20 PM | Reply

I'm not giving her a pass. - #78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 08:20 PM

I can overlook it - #2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-05 09:45 PM

Were you being less than honest yesterday or are you being less than honest today?

#79 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-06 08:41 PM | Reply

Were you being less than honest yesterday or are you being less than honest today?

#79 | Posted by Avigdore

Saying I PERSONALLY can overlook something is not the same as saying it wont affect her chances.

Read the thread and you'll see me talking about how she lied and didn't deal with it well.

#80 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 08:44 PM | Reply

I did read it. I also read the parts where you utilized whataboutism, gave her a pass said you could overlook her actions, then where you claimed to not give her a pass.

No one with any intelligence thinks it won't affect her chances. I just took the opportunity that you (and many others) provided by engaging in whataboutism to point out how often that tactic is used to by the mostly left-leaning folks here to forgive other left-leaning folks.

#81 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-06 09:14 PM | Reply

No one with any intelligence thinks it won't affect her chances. I just took the opportunity that you (and many others) provided by engaging in whataboutism to point out how often that tactic is used to by the mostly left-leaning folks here to forgive other left-leaning folks.

#81 | Posted by Avigdore

It's not to forgive anything. It's to point out that trump supporters are in no position to criticize anything. You can't legitimately criticize dishonesty, infidelity, treason, financial irresponsibility, racism, sexism, ignorance, or anything else a politician does unless you're going to criticize it in trump first. Otherwise you're just a cheerleader who thinks the refs should only call fouls on the other team.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 09:20 PM | Reply

unless you're going to criticize it in trump first. - #82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-06 09:20 PM
Or you could maintain integrity and criticize Trump in threads detailing Trump's failures and criticize Warren in threads discussing Warren's failures.
Otherwise you're stuck being unable to criticize trump until you've criticized Obama enough. And don't even start in on Obama until you've fully destroyed Bush. But don't even think of blowing up Bush until you've blown...I hope you get my point.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-06 09:43 PM | Reply

"All Democrats do is lie."
"Obama possibly lied about being a foreign exchange(or possibly not)"

You can't make this ----- up:

You claim all Democrats do is lie, and then you post what you admit might be a lie.

#84 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-02-06 10:53 PM | Reply

Her family lies to her and she believed them. So she's not a liar, she's just gullible. If you had a fugly face like hers, you probably wouldn't look in a mirror either. That Huckabee-Sanders girl can relate because nobody's grabbed her by the lady parts either. I guess feminism is working -- unattractive women are succeeding in government.

#85 | Posted by TylerDurden at 2019-02-07 12:44 AM | Reply

Or you could maintain integrity and criticize Trump in threads detailing Trump's failures and criticize Warren in threads discussing Warren's failures.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore

That's exactly what I've done. What's your point supposed to be again?

#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-07 12:57 AM | Reply

Elizabeth Warren Apologizes for Identifying as ‘American Indian' on Texas Bar Application
www.nationalreview.com

Well now its all better right Speaks?

#87 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-07 02:08 AM | Reply

Ah yes, the family history story....
youtu.be

#88 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-07 06:49 AM | Reply

Well now its all better right Speaks?

#87 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-02-07 02:08 AM | FLAG: EYE ROLL

I am going to say it again... so?

Basically, she did not understand the legality of it... most people don't... never have and never will... we are the only minority that has to have pedigree documents.

It's not as black and white... pun intended... as the other racial issues driving white men to kill themselves with junk and bullets.

Get over it Makrelass... go back to defending drunken frat boys who never lie.... that is your field.

#89 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 10:08 AM | Reply

"Basically, she did not understand the legality of it."

LOL

#90 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-07 10:16 AM | Reply

Well, since we are looking into Warren's NA claims, I think we should take a second look at Kevin McCarthy's brother-in-laws dubious NA heritage claims that netted him millions in govt contracts:

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy's family benefited from U.S. program for minorities based on disputed ancestry

A company owned by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy's in-laws won more than $7 million in no-bid and other federal contracts at U.S. military installations and other government properties in California based on a dubious claim of Native American identity by McCarthy's brother-in-law, a Times investigation has found.

The prime contracts, awarded through a federal program designed to help disadvantaged minorities, were mostly for construction projects at the Naval Air Weapons Station China Lake in McCarthy's Bakersfield-based district, and the Naval Air Station Lemoore in nearby Kings County

www.latimes.com

#91 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-07 10:52 AM | Reply

We all know the GOP cares nothing for govt ethics, so it is unlikely an investigation is being done:

When presented with The Times' findings, experts in government ethics said the sheer volume of federal work the company received in and near McCarthy's district, in addition to Wages' disputed claim to be Native American that allowed him to avoid competitive bidding, warranted more scrutiny.

Those ethics watchdogs questioned whether the blossoming of the in-laws' business in McCarthy's political backyard was a coincidence. They called on the Office of Congressional Ethics to investigate whether McCarthy exerted any influence over the contract awards and to determine what he knew about his brother-in-law's participation in the minority contracting program.

#92 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-02-07 10:55 AM | Reply

I'll say it again.

Welcome to Law School. Everyone does everything they can to stand out. You have an ounce of minority blood, you use it. You are #34 rather than #36 in your class, you use it. You volunteered at a soup kitchen when you were 12, you use it.

So yeah, I'll give a 28 year old kid with some Native American ancestry just trying to get a job a pass on this one.

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2019-02-07 10:59 AM | Reply

That's exactly what I've done. What's your point supposed to be again? -#86 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-07 12:57 AM
When you whataboutism to Trump, as you did in your post #2, then discussing Trump in Trump threads and Warren in Warren threads is precisely the opposite of what you've done. My point was helping you realize that.
This- self serving lies can only be told by trump, no one else. - #2 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-05 09:45 PM
is not leaving trump in trump threads and warren in warren threads.

#94 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-07 11:04 AM | Reply

Comparative harm is important to keep in mind. George Bush lied us into a war. Donald Trump assisted the Republicans in passing a 2 trillion dollar tax cut for the 1%. Warren wrote that she thought, at the time, that she was of Native American ancestors. You choose who is the most evil of the three. If you are ok with the first two then it is highly likely that you don't have a conscience and your opinion is just garbage.

#95 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 11:14 AM | Reply

Comparative harm is important to keep in mind. George Bush lied us into a war. Donald Trump assisted the Republicans in passing a 2 trillion dollar tax cut for the 1%. Warren wrote that she thought, at the time, that she was of Native American ancestors. You choose who is the most evil of the three.

#95 | POSTED BY DANNI

And, if she wins the nomination she will have the opportunity to make that argument.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-07 11:17 AM | Reply

"And, if she wins the nomination she will have the opportunity to make that argument."

I seriously doubt she will but the assault on her character by Donald Trump, to me, reflects more on his bullying personality than on her. The idea that his wife is campaigning against bullying seems so ridiculous. She is married to the "Bully in Chief" and everyone knows it. He said he'd give $1,000,000 to charity if she could prove Native American heritage, she did, where' is the $1,000,000? Seems to me that is a better question to be asking these days.

#97 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Chief spewing bull has used this as fraud all her life. From using it to sell cookbooks to getting a job at Harvard. Take a hike.

#98 | Posted by fishpaw at 2019-02-07 11:32 AM | Reply

The takeaway from this is not that Warren is a big liar unworthy of being president.

At least we know this....we aren't guessing about it. The worst part is that she admitted she disclosed this for professional gain which is something many of her supporters said she was above.....obviously not.

#99 | Posted by eberly at 2019-02-07 11:46 AM | Reply

You choose who is the most evil of the three.
#95 | POSTED BY DANNI

Evil IMO are people that think they aren't capable of it.

Obama did this too, OBama had ten times more air strikes in the covert war on terror. Obama bombed and invaded more countries. All of this was done in the dark (for the most part).
www.thebureauinvestigates.com

Not a word from "codepink".....

Hillary and her creation of the humanitarian crisis in Honduras is another place where the "party of peace" did the opposite.

Warren is evil, not be cause she lied that is not the issue, but she promotes the opposite, that identity matters, and no one holds her accountable for the hypocrisy.

#100 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-02-07 12:04 PM | Reply

"He said he'd give $1,000,000 to charity if she could prove Native American heritage"

No he didn't. You got trolled, and you're doing an extremely lame job of trying to troll back. You're just embarassing yourself. Go sit in the corner with a dunce hat on. The dunce cap even has your name on it in capital letters and is cone shaped just like your head.

#101 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 12:08 PM | Reply

"Warren is evil, not be cause she lied that is not the issue, but she promotes the opposite, that identity matters, and no one holds her accountable for the hypocrisy."

Her real crime? She isn't cowed by the rich. She won't play their game. They can't own her. They can't stand that. Not surprising that Andrea would be against her.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 12:31 PM | Reply

That said, I would like to say that calling her a "mattress" is misogyny and I do not support it, insults like that do not deserve respect from anyone.

#103 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 12:33 PM | Reply

-That said, I would like to say that calling her a "mattress" is misogyny and I do not support it, insults like that do not deserve respect from anyone.

#103 | Posted by danni

Tell it to Corky and Snoofy, two of the biggest misogynists on the site.

#104 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-02-07 12:35 PM | Reply

No he didn't. You got trolled,

#101 | Posted by sentinel

Trump swindled, you mean. Love the way you make the victims responsible.

#105 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 12:44 PM | Reply

"We will take that little [DNA] kit, but we have to do it gently. Because we're in the #MeToo generation so we have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't injure her arm even though it only weighs probably two ounces. And we will say: I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian"

He's your president. He's not mine.

#106 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 12:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Warren is evil, not be cause she lied that is not the issue, but she promotes the opposite, that identity matters, and no one holds her accountable for the hypocrisy.
#100 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-02-07 12:04 PM | FLAG: BOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO

Here is the fact.... started the conversation about this because he accused her of seeking special status... as if having your daddy pay to get in into college... but I digress... and it stirred up the whiteys who feel angry about their miserable lives and have to blame it on some sort of conspiracy working against them... and people who in their eyes don't deserve it


You don't have credibility on the issue... go back to defending drunken white frat boys...who never lie.

#107 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 12:59 PM | Reply

#101 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

How can you retort with your head in the sand?

"I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian." -- Dotard, 5 July 2018

#108 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 12:59 PM | Reply

"and it shows you're an Indian"

This is the part you keep missing. Having a small fraction of Indian DNA heritage doesn't make you, me or Warren an Indian. Many Native Americans completely reject the idea that even having the a lot of the same DNA as them necessarily makes you one of them. So Trump was making a wager he knew he couldn't possibly lose, because it was a deliberately illogical proposal to begin with.

"He's your president. He's not mine."

You wish.

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:02 PM | Reply

#108 | Posted by IndianaJones at

I think his argument is that because everyone knows the person I support as president is a great, fat liar anything that happens to you because of it is your own fault.

#110 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 01:02 PM | Reply

"He's your president. He's not mine."

You wish.

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2019

He's just the jackass in power. I owe him nothing he's not willing to force from me.

#111 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 01:03 PM | Reply

Having a small fraction of Indian DNA heritage doesn't make you, me or Warren an Indian.

#109 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:02

A sterling bit of Trumpism. Warren related a family story about Indian heritage in her background generations back. She proved the reality of that.

Donald owes the March of Dimes a million dollars.

#112 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 01:05 PM | Reply

Having a small fraction of Indian DNA heritage doesn't make you, me or Warren an Indian.
#109 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

Except it does. No matter how terrified of empirical science you backwood trolls are, genetics are real.

#113 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 01:10 PM | Reply

#112, when you keep making foolish statements that are detached from logic and reality like that, your statements become just gibberish as many of Trump's. This is how he wins and defeats you. It's not that hard to be more logically consistent than Trump, but it seems you and many others really don't want to, especially in this case.

#114 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Look! A photo of trump's base upon learning Warren does, in fact, have native ancestry.

#115 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 01:11 PM | Reply

This is how he wins and defeats you. It's not that hard to be more logically consistent than Trump, but it seems you and many others really don't want to, especially in this case.

#114 | POSTED BY SENTINEL

That's how he grabs morons like you by the p ssy, actually.

#116 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Many Native Americans completely reject the idea

So what? Many Native Americans have also used the idea to put people out of the tribe after testing.

DNA testing can verify Native American ancestry genetically if not legally.

Trump is a notorious welsher and he's doing it again.

#117 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Having a small fraction of Indian DNA heritage doesn't make you, me or Warren an Indian. "

Science deniers live in their own little world of ignorance.

#118 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 01:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#117, so you (and Warren) are taking the position that having even one drop of American Indian DNA combined with family lore of a distant relative makes you an American Indian? Interesting.

Are you a Warren supporter, or you trying to torpedo her here?

#119 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- so you

You are creating a strawman. And I don't have dog in this fight... yet.

I'm taking the scientific position on ancestry.

www.theroot.com

#120 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:25 PM | Reply

This will be a very awkward conversation about the one drop rule if it comes up at a debate and she stands by it. Otherwise she'll have to concede that she did not meet the bar of proving that she's an Indian.

#121 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:27 PM | Reply

#119 | FLAGGED NEWSWORTHY BY NULLIFIDIAN

Trump Troll Nation responds!

The devolution is being broadcast on a blog, rofl.

#122 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:28 PM | Reply

"I'm taking the scientific position on ancestry."

The question of ancestry is a straw man, since that's not Trump asked her to show.

#123 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:30 PM | Reply

"The worst part is that she admitted she disclosed this for professional gain"

She did?

Can I see that in her words please?

#124 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 01:30 PM | Reply

- that's not Trump asked her to show.

He asked her to show her ancestry as an Indian... duh.

#125 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#117, so you (and Warren) are taking the position that having even one drop of American Indian DNA combined with family lore of a distant relative makes you an American Indian?

DNA alone proves it.

But DNA testing didn't exist when she made these claims.

DNA, then, corroborates the family lore.

As has been mentioned, not all Native Americans belong to Federally recognized tribes. And not all who do have Native American DNA.

Didn't Trump bet on the results of her DNA test? If so, he lost.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Chief spewing bull has used this as fraud all her life. From using it to sell cookbooks to getting a job at Harvard. Take a hike.

#98 | Posted by fishpaw

Fishpaw has ZERO TOLERANCE for dishonest politicians!

If for example, a politician said he had no business deals with russia, then it turned out that they did, fishpaw would immediately refuse to support them.

#127 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-02-07 01:36 PM | Reply

The standard is a minimum 1/16 indian blood to be recognized by tribal organizations. She does not qualify. My documented family history proves I have more indian blood than her and I do not qualify as indian.

#128 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-07 01:38 PM | Reply

"The standard is a minimum 1/16 indian blood to be recognized by tribal organizations."

That wasn't the bet.

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 01:41 PM | Reply

- The standard is

Different in different tribes for admission to the tribe. The DNA standard to which Trump referred is the same everywhere.

see the link in #120

I'm having my DNA done now, but one look at pics of my grandmother proves my Indian heritage.

#130 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:42 PM | Reply

If Warren feels cheated by Trump, she should sue. Ha.

#131 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-02-07 01:43 PM | Reply

- she should sue.

So should the American people, 99 percent of whom have been cheated by Trump.... although some are too stupid to notice.

#132 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:46 PM | Reply

"He asked her to show her ancestry as an Indian... duh."

You're either illiterate, trolling or both. Or maybe you think the wording of contracts doesn't matter and whatever you read into them is true.

#133 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:48 PM | Reply

"one look at pics of my grandmother proves my Indian heritage."

Same here, but it doesn't make me "an Indian", nor would any foolish DNA test.

#134 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:49 PM | Reply

"I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian." -- Dotard, 5 July 2018

Indian or Native American as in her ancestry, which is the subject.

Is this thing on? Or is your head as thick as a brick?

#135 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:50 PM | Reply

"nor would any foolish DNA test."

Well, that's the test Donald demanded, so if that's a foolish demand, that's on Donald.

#136 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 01:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh the horror an Okie who likely grew up on a "reservation" believed her grandma's stories and identified with one of the larger nations many members of which look like her.

#137 | Posted by Tor at 2019-02-07 01:52 PM | Reply

Are you an Indian, Corky?

#138 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:53 PM | Reply

- nor would any foolish DNA test.

It would in some tribes, not it others. In some it could keep you out or get you kicked out.... try actually reading the link in 120.

DNA results can positively show Native ancestry. They are not exclusive, however, in that DNA can be lost over time... so testing one's parents or grandparents may show such ancestry even if one's own DNA does not.

support.ancestry.com

#139 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:55 PM | Reply

#138

Worse, I'm a Democrat.

#140 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 01:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"DNA results can positively show Native ancestry."

But they cannot show whether you're "an Indian".

#141 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 01:58 PM | Reply

Oh, so Indian means from India?

Or does that not even matter, since Donald had his fingers crossed when he made the bet?

#142 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 02:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The standard is a minimum 1/16 indian blood to be recognized by tribal organizations. She does not qualify. My documented family history proves I have more indian blood than her and I do not qualify as indian.

#128 | POSTED BY SUNUVAVITCH AT 2019-02-07 01:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:WRONG!!!

You are wrong... there is no universal standard quantum... and your meandering line of BS goes right back to the difference between this particular racial divide and the black/white issue where quantum was a measurement.

it was not that way for natives... although most of white Americans think all racial issued were measured by your level of whiteness. Natives in this part of North America were not bred as the Africans were. We assimilated probably from day one of first contact and nine months out the progeny appeared.

You can be 100% native and no be considered an American Indian... if a tribe doesn't have you on their rolls... its not like you can say I am Comanche...and suddenly you go join the Lakotas... there are several bands of Lakotas... you have to demonstrate your lineage or be adopted.

#143 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 02:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#141

Sounds like you are welshing for Donald now, arguing that when he said Indian he didn't mean Native American.

That's a semantic cop out.

#144 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-07 02:02 PM | Reply

This is how he wins and defeats you. It's not that hard to be more logically consistent than Trump, but it seems you and many others really don't want to, especially in this case.

#114 | Posted by sentinel at 2019

I don't know what to say to you. Trump defeats people BY BEING A CRIMINAL. He lies, he cheats, he scams, he grifts.

From where I stand you're a cheerleader for a bit of his standard ------------.

Donald had a chance to be a mensch and pony up a few bills for the good of others, SENTINEL's concern is to help him weasel out, citing "contract language" as if Donald Freaking Trump has ever cared one damn about such a thing his entire life.

#145 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 02:04 PM | Reply

Bottom line in order to be considered :"American Indian" or "Native American" in this country you have to have tribal affiliation... by blood or adoption... not marriage. Its an exclusive club with sub clubs is all. A lot of tribes see the quantum laws as a way of invalidating treaty agreements and do not recognize quantum

E Warren made a common mistake based on mixing up slave laws with Native laws. Most of the people posting here in this forum make the same mistake... and as a consequence you can;t speak rationally about it.

#146 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 02:14 PM | Reply

Bottom line is that Donald Trump never fears to open his sorry mouth because he never intends to pay the consequences.

I wish Nancy Pelosi were president. Be nice to have a real man in the White House.

#147 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 02:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"From where I stand you're a cheerleader for a bit of his standard ------------."

That's just another example of your perceptions being out of whack with reality. I'm a cheerleader for logic and a clear understanding of the English language. Whether you want to use the word Indian or Amerindian or Native American, showing that you have ancestral heritage from an ethnic group is not the same thing as showing you are a member of said ethnic group.

#148 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 02:26 PM | Reply

I wish Nancy Pelosi were president. Be nice to have a real man in the White House.
#147 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2019-02-07 02:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG:PFFFFFTTTT

There is a real man in the office... that is the problem... Nancy would provide a refreshing break from all that orange glow testosterone...

I would love for her to spend her last year before retirement as president... and have it be Trumplethinskin who put her there.

#149 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 02:27 PM | Reply

I'm a cheerleader for logic and a clear understanding of the English language.

#148 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 02:26 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

The fish stole your bait while you were meditating on grammar.

#150 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 02:35 PM | Reply

Bottom line is Warren does not directly identify as an Indian or Native America today, because she knows it would be very problematic for her, politically and socially. But by attempting to take Trump up on his wager, she has indirectly made that claim and it's backfired on her colossally.

#151 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 02:37 PM | Reply

"showing that you have ancestral heritage from an ethnic group is not the same thing as showing you are a member of said ethnic group."

Okay, but the bet was: Foes her DNA show she has Indian DNA?

The test showed that her DNA has a tiny portion of Indian DNA.

If it were a pregnancy test, she would be "a little bit pregnant." She won the bet.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 02:37 PM | Reply

Guess her white privilege wasn't good enough for her... LOL!!!

#153 | Posted by babyhuey at 2019-02-07 02:44 PM | Reply

He said he'd give $1,000,000 to charity if she could prove Native American heritage - #97 | Posted by danni at 2019-02-07 11:26 AM
^^^^^That is a lie.

#154 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-02-07 03:14 PM | Reply

"The fish stole your bait while you were meditating on grammar."

The bait stole your fish while you were grasping for it and not paying attention to what it was.

#155 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 03:51 PM | Reply

"And I would've had gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Trump!"

#156 | Posted by Spork at 2019-02-07 03:55 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Sooooooo much B.S. the party that wanted Obama's birth certificate... you pigs have no shame.

#157 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 03:59 PM | Reply

The bait stole your fish while you were grasping for it and not paying attention to what it was.

#155 | Posted by sentinel at 2019

I think you must have hurt yourself.

#158 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-07 04:03 PM | Reply

Sooooooo much B.S. the party that wanted Obama's birth certificate... you pigs have no shame.

#157 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

"I'm not a tribal citizen," the Massachusetts Democrat told reporters

www.usatoday.com

#159 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-02-07 04:05 PM | Reply

Sentinel has a lot of patience.

#160 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2019-02-07 04:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Grooming people to accept the swastika takes a lot of patience.

It's easier to wrap your head around it if you understand it to be a labor of love on Sentinel's part.

#161 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 04:24 PM | Reply

are wrong... there is no universal standard quantum
#143 | POSTED BY RIGHTISTRITE

I'm not saying universal standard. There are accepted thresholds for being called indian. The govt. says 1/4 for grants and scholarships. Tribes have standards established for their acceptance. There are those that have black, oriental, hispanic etc dna. But they are not classed as those races. Established thresholds for identification do not count 1/1024th.

#162 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-07 04:38 PM | Reply

#159 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-02-07 04:05 PM | REPLY| EYE ROLL

Jeff and the rest of the righty tighty numbskulls here... I am going to say it one more time...

So?

She did nothing wrong... and no one was hurt by the imaginary offence... she is apologizing for making a mistake in arbitrary and capricious assessment of Native Americanism and notions of blood quantum... without having a paper trail affiliating her to a tribe... the same way most of the people in country do... and pig brains want to make it into a production... yer full of meecee is all.

#163 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Much ado about NOTHING.

The Deplorables are obviously terrified of Pocohantas!!

If this is all you got you are in BIGLY trouble Proud Boys.

#164 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-07 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Lizzy gonna crush you Proud Boys. She gonna bust yer wall street balls!!

Damn if these Dems ain't making me all excited again!!

LOL

#165 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-02-07 04:44 PM | Reply

Lizzy Borden's campaign is D.O.A. It ain't gonna happen. If it does, she'll lose to Trump, just SNL has already predicted.

#166 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 04:57 PM | Reply

^just as

#167 | Posted by sentinel at 2019-02-07 04:57 PM | Reply

#167 Crazy, at this point Joshua Trump could beat the dotard, and he's not even eligible.

#168 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-02-07 06:39 PM | Reply

I'm not saying universal standard. There are accepted thresholds for being called indian. The govt. says 1/4 for grants and scholarships. Tribes have standards established for their acceptance. There are those that have black, oriental, hispanic etc dna. But they are not classed as those races. Established thresholds for identification do not count 1/1024th.

#162 | POSTED BY SUNUVAVITCH AT 2019-02-07 04:38 PM | REPLY

You are mistaken. That is all I have to say about it. I don't think you mean any harm by what you are saying but your information is inaccurate.

The DNA tests don't mean as much as people say because they all use different criteria and based only on the information they have so far... maybe in a decade or two... Contact from the 15th century onward especially the first 100 years was a holocaust for all of them...80-90% of natives in this part of the Americas are extinct... entire tribes vanished forever. It has only been recently that the native population has re-established its population to the size it was when Spain hit the Bahamas... and even that the variety is decimated.

Personally I found Warren's story of her ancestry credible because of where she was from, how long her family had been here... the the odds were in her favor. She's native American... just not a member of a tribe that is legally recognized by the US gvmnt. You are trying to stick this nation's history into a tight little box.

#169 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-02-07 08:08 PM | Reply

#169
Potato, potatoe, Tomato, tomatoe. I understand where you're coming from, I am just pointing out accepted standards of DNA distinction.
As I said earlier, I have verifiable Cherokee blood in my DNA, not much but more than Warren claims. I don't claim to be Indian on legal forms. Boaz claims to be half black, half white. I would have no problem if he claimed either on legal forms. But we all have a mix and as long as we use a system that asks our race/ heritage then we fill it out to the accepted norms.
She had nothing other than a story to make the claim on Native American ancestry. I do believe she used her family story to try to skate to the front on the line in her climb to her position. Might be wrong but my gut says no.
We share 96% of DNA with Chimpanzees. Nobody claims that on their ancestral charts. Could be there is no advantage to do so.

#170 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-07 08:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"She's native American... just not a member of a tribe that is legally recognized by the US gvmnt."

These types of issues had a constant place in the local news after I moved to Seattle; but on the east coast I don't ever remember hearing about them. There's a pretty strong gradient of ethnic cleansing as you move across America.

#171 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 09:04 PM | Reply

"As I said earlier, I have verifiable Cherokee blood in my DNA, not much but more than Warren claims. I don't claim to be Indian on legal forms. "

Yeah, but you could. and there wouldn't be anything wrong with it.
It's a form on a box. It's self-reported data. There is no validation.
That's why this has always been a non-issue.
The issues surrounding this discussion might be important, but Warren writing "American Indian" on a form is not.

#172 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 09:11 PM | Reply

Yeah, but you could. and there wouldn't be anything wrong with it.
#172 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

I don't need to game the system, I got skills.

#173 | Posted by sunuvavitch at 2019-02-07 09:24 PM | Reply

If gaming the system was as easy as filling out a box, more people would be putting "Indian" when they fill out ----.

But it's not, and that's why this isn't a story about Elizabeth Warren gaming the system.

#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-02-07 09:32 PM | Reply

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