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Saturday, February 02, 2019

President Vladimir Putin says that Russia will abandon a centerpiece nuclear arms treaty, following in the footsteps of the United States, and that Moscow will only deploy intermediate-range nuclear missiles if Washington does so.

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"Putin spoke after the U.S. announced Friday it was pulling the plug on the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty over alleged Russian violations. Moscow denied any breaches and accused Washington of making false accusations in order to justify its pullout."

#1 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-02 05:24 AM | Reply

This sounds more like both Trump and Putin putting on a show to hide what they're really doing.

#2 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-02-02 05:31 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I don't trust either of the bastards trump or Putin, personally I am guessing this is some sort of BS that both Trump and Putin agreed upon that benefits both of them, Putin can maintain his lock on his power and Trump
gets to say he is hard on Russia and can keep the military industrial complex happy with new military weapons

#3 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-02 05:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

2 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-02-02

Yes I was typing out the pretty much what you said before you posted your comment but yeah I agree

#4 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-02-02 05:36 AM | Reply

I doubt either of them pullout.

#5 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-02-02 01:33 PM | Reply

@#3 ... Putin can maintain his lock on his power and Trump gets to say he is hard on Russia ...

My suspicion is that this was an agenda item during one of the private, no notes, meetings the two had.

If Pres Trump had wanted to punish Russia for violating a treaty, then they way to do it is via sanctions, and not by tearing up the treaty that is being violated.

This makes no sense on so may levels, and does not make sense on even one level.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-02 01:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Since they had already abandoned it as early as 2013, this is meaningless.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 01:43 PM | Reply

Since they had already abandoned it as early as 2013, this is meaningless.

#7 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 01:43 PM | Reply

I disagree. With one party still adhering to the treaty, the possibility of reconciliation was present. Now, it's gone. Moreover, our commitment to this treaty sends a message to our NATO allies that we still are committed to the defense alliance.

And before you try and suggest were are limited by this treaty, our nuclear doctrine long abandoned land-based delivery systems and centered around air and sea launched capability.

#8 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-02-02 01:49 PM | Reply

#8

Wrong. Russia has been violating the treaty for 5 years, two Administrations have been negotiating with them, sanctions have been tried and the Russians still ignored their treaty obligtions. NATO fully supports the US move, and under Article XV the US, after giving the requisite 60 days verbal notice, now has given Russian the requisite 6 months written notice to come back into compliance:

Following nearly six years of U.S. and Allied engagement with Russia, on 4 December 2018, NATO Allies declared that Russia has developed and fielded a missile system, the 9M729, which violates the INF Treaty, and poses significant risks to Euro-Atlantic security. Allies strongly supported the finding of the United States that Russia is in material breach of its obligations under the INF Treaty and called upon Russia to urgently return to full and verifiable compliance.

Since that announcement, the United States and other Allies have remained open to dialogue, and have engaged Russia on its violation, including at a NATO-Russia Council meeting on 25 January 2019. Allies regret that Russia, as part of its broader pattern of behaviour, continues to deny its INF Treaty violation, refuses to provide any credible response, and has taken no demonstrable steps toward returning to full and verifiable compliance.

As a result, the United States is suspending its obligations under the INF Treaty in response to Russia's material breach, and is providing the requisite six-month written notice to Treaty Parties of its withdrawal under Article XV of the INF Treaty. The United States is taking this action in response to the significant risks to Euro-Atlantic security posed by Russia's covert testing, production, and fielding of 9M729 ground-launched cruise missile systems. Allies fully support this action.

Statement on Russia's failure to comply with the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty-Issued by the North Atlantic Council, Brussels, 1 February 2019

If you look at the INF itself, sea and air launched cruise missile capability are covered by this, and we have continued to comply with the INF Treaty in that regard.

Any other assumptions you need corrected?

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 01:59 PM | Reply

This sounds more like both Trump and Putin putting on a show to hide what they're really doing.

#2 | Posted by Twinpac at 201

This was part of one of their secret conversations.

#10 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-02 02:00 PM | Reply

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Any other assumptions you need corrected?

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at

Try: Donald Trump is a duplicitous weasel.

#11 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-02 02:02 PM | Reply

#11

That's an inescapable consequence of his being a NYC Real Estate Developer.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 02:06 PM | Reply

#10

That would mean that President Obama was involved in those conversations since 2013, which I doubt.

#13 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 02:07 PM | Reply

That's an inescapable consequence of his being a NYC Real Estate Developer.

#12 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 0

So?

#14 | Posted by Zed at 2019-02-02 02:11 PM | Reply


@#13 ... That would mean that President Obama was involved in those conversations since 2013, which I doubt. ...

Not really.

If Pres Trump and Pres Putin had conversations on this, imo, it would have been on the topic of how to end the treaty.

I doubt if the topic would be the same in the years from 2013 until January 2017. Indeed, the actions in that time period indicate differently.

#15 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-02 02:15 PM | Reply

#14

You asked, I answered.

#16 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 02:15 PM | Reply

#15

I actually don't fault the Obama Administration for how this has been handled, from my understanding the US and NATO have followed every avenue set forth in the Treaty over the past 6 years by the book. As NATO acknowledges in its press release, there is no other option at this point.

Russia had already "ended" the INF by developing and deploying a cruise missile system that is in violation of the INF itself. Putin saying now that he is "abandoning" the INF is only confirming his actions, as noted by NATO, in 2012.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 02:19 PM | Reply

Any other assumptions you need corrected?

#9 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-02-02 01:59 PM | Reply

Tom Nicols' take on this

"Tom Nichols is a U.S. Naval War College University Professor, and an adjunct at the U.S. Air Force School of Strategic Force Studies and the Harvard Extension School. He is a specialist on Russian affairs, nuclear strategy, NATO issues, and a nationally-known commentator on U.S. politics and national security. "

I think I'm going to listen to this bloke and not you. Cheers!

Oh, and regard air and sea launched capabilities, while covered under INF (and their European deployment), they are carried by, wait for it, ships and and aircraft, which are known to be able to QUICKLY deploy to a area where needed.

#18 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-02-02 02:23 PM | Reply

FakeLawyer making excuses for Orange Adolf's treasonous and dangerous behavior, color me NOT surprised!

#19 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-02-02 02:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

@#17 ... I actually don't fault the Obama Administration ...

Nor do I. At least fmr Pres Obama faced Pres Putin, and chastised him publicly. With the public chastising, I suspect the private aspect was stronger.

On the other hand, Pres Trump mostly has been nothing but obsequious toward Pres Putin in public. Just look that the video of Pres Putin and Pres Trump leaving the meeting room and walking toward their respective podium at the Helsinki meeting. The video and still images are readily available via your search engine of choice.

Pres Trump's face looks as if he had been owned by Pres Putin.

Given that Pres Trump has stated that he is all about how things look, the fact that he had that face when walking towards the podium is significant. He couldn't even get a smile to happen. He was the kid who was just read the riot act.

Pres Putin, on the other hand, was smirking.

It's things like that which make me wonder if Pres Trump and Pres Putin has discussed things like ending this treaty during those private, no notes, meetings.

#20 | Posted by lamplighter at 2019-02-02 02:41 PM | Reply


@#12 ... That's an inescapable consequence of his being a NYC Real Estate Developer. ...

From what I've seen, not all NYC real estate developers are low-lifes.

Indeed, I'd read that those developers who give back to the city that made them wealthy often shunned then-citizen Trump at humanitarian and social events because he was so self-centered.

Of course, this is from the gossip columns of the NYC newspapers (15-20 years or so ago) that I read while waiting for my haircut. Citizen Trump seemed to wallow in being mentioned in those columns, but not for this reason.

#21 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-02-02 02:56 PM | Reply

Well, at least we know now with they were talking about when Trump sent his people away.

Oh, and despite the RoCheney trolling....

"2/1/19

And the Arms Control Association says "Clearly, neither side has exhausted the diplomatic options that could resolve their concerns."

www.newsweek.com

Trump can't spell diplomacy, much less practice it.

He and Vlad both got what they wanted.... Vlad is no longer violating anything, and Trump has brought back the nuclear Cold War Red Scare to fearmonger the electorate... as a Cold War President for re-election.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2019-02-02 04:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

To the delight of the military industrial complex, wasting all your hard earned money, without accomplishing anything except chaos amidst death and destruction, while conservatives keep your stumbling brain focused on welfare queens. These criminals are depriving you of a better life for all.

#23 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-02-03 11:02 AM | Reply

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