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Sunday, January 27, 2019

After employing some of them for years, Trump's golf club in New York suddenly fired about half of their staff because they are undocumented immigrants. Eric Trump, who is responsible for the club's operation refused to answer wherever or not company executives knew they employed undocumented labor. Anibal Romero, an attorney representing the terminated workers, is calling for a federal investigation into claims that multiple Trump properties have engaged in "a pattern and practice of hiring undocumented immigrants."

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A fence doesn't even keep illegal immigrants out of the golf clubs that little donnie dollhands owns???

Say it ain't so...

#1 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-01-26 07:48 PM | Reply

Employers that knowingly hire illegal workers should be prosecuted and the workers deported. I can 100% guarantee that the Trump clubs did ask for a valid social security number, every large corporation does that to protect themselves. So, the workers, at a minimum, stole someone elses' social security number. As for the employer, the question - did they do everything that was legally required? In the case of this club, I would suspect that they did follow the letter, although not the intent, of the law. The problem is that the laws where crafted in a way to make them impossible to actually implement, because neither party wanted to omit that they wanted the illegals in the US. So, we get lip service laws and lip service company compliance, and lip service enforcement.

With all of that said, I ask those on the Left - if 50% of the workers were indeed illegals, should they now be deported? Along with being in the country illegally (either via visa overstay or illegal crossing), they also stole SS numbers. So, should they now be deported or should they be allowed to stay in the country? If allowed to stay - why?

#2 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-26 11:25 PM | Reply

With all of that said, I ask those on the Left - if 50% of the workers were indeed illegals, should they now be deported? Along with being in the country illegally (either via visa overstay or illegal crossing), they also stole SS numbers. So, should they now be deported or should they be allowed to stay in the country? If allowed to stay - why?
#2 | Posted by nobiasposter101

They should be looked at on a case-by-case basis. Look for issues like violence or significant crime, i.e. drugs or burglary, consider familial and communal attachments, look at work history, consider length of stay in America, consider country of origin and conditions, consider references

why? Cause it is the right thing to do.

#3 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-26 11:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#2 your 100 percent isn't even good 60% of the time.

#4 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-27 12:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#2 - don't know enough about their individual cases but I'd say their employer sure looks guilty and should face charges

#5 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2019-01-27 01:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Sounds like a Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization to me.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 01:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"An employee who was fired holds 14 years of pay stubs from his time working in landscaping at the course."

Probably slinging dope and doing contract hits for MS13 the whole 14 years just so the liberals could use it to try and tarnish President Donnie.

#7 | Posted by Scotty at 2019-01-27 05:27 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Time for Congress to call these illegals to testify how they duped Donnie into hiring them.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-27 11:45 AM | Reply

NEWSFLASH! DOG BITES MAN!

(X, Please make that never true for Ray unless he is defending me)

#9 | Posted by Cannante at 2019-01-27 02:07 PM | Reply

So the future employees bring the employer fake documents and the employer is supposed to be ICE now?

Should a company prosecute any employee that submits fraudulent documents?

Liberals would go ballistic.

Yet, on the other hand, the whole point of sanctuary cities is saying the cities don't want to get involved with a federal immigration issue, now Liberals are saying every business, has too, but cities and police departments are exempt.

Time for Congress to call these illegals to testify how they duped Donnie into hiring them.
#8 | POSTED BY BORED

I am sure they should, but they should also have to do time ... say 10 years for a first offense not tied to terrorism or drug trafficking?
en.wikipedia.org

#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-27 04:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Look string up situations where the business hires people without documentation.

But if the employee makes fraudulent documents its not up to the company to determine authenticity.

Unless as Nulli states; you want to make eVerify mandatory ....

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-27 04:11 PM | Reply

Trumps's Golf Course should proclaim itself to be a Sanctuary Business..

#12 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-27 04:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"Should a company prosecute any employee that submits fraudulent documents?"

Corporations are government prosecutors now?

"Liberals would go ballistic."

Fascists apologists like you would cheer.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 04:19 PM | Reply

Mandatory eVerify is racist!

--the Left

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 04:26 PM | Reply

The TRump organization facilitated all these illegal folks working for peanuts on their property. TRump. INC even pointed them into the right direction to get the fake paperwork. If anybody should be deported it is not the undocumented hard workers but the vampires in TRump .org who preyed upon them like leeches all the while damning the democrats for letting them come into the country in the first place. Another case of right wing, "Do as I say, not as I do".

#15 | Posted by Tknees2 at 2019-01-27 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump is simply running his business like a business. The cost of complying with the law is greater than the cost of breaking the law. So he chose to break the law. That's a wise business decision. It maximizes profit.

#16 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 05:34 PM | Reply

Trumps's Golf Course should proclaim itself to be a Sanctuary Business..

#12 | POSTED by Comrade Fat Andy Mattress

Your hero Orange Adolf should be in prison for hiring these illegals amongst his other crimes of treason. You support him, so you are guilty of treason yourself.

#17 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2019-01-27 05:39 PM | Reply

Why not have illegal employment inspectors that 'look' illegal and apply for jobs without documentation? Employers that help them fake it go to jail for 10 years or are executed for conspiracy to aid and abet terrorism.

I am sure no employer every looked the other way when they knew a person they were hiring didn't have valid documentation...

#18 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-27 05:57 PM | Reply

Both the Arby's and Taco Bell near me have signs posted stating that they use e-verify. It can't be that difficult.

#19 | Posted by TenMile at 2019-01-27 06:51 PM | Reply

But if the employee makes fraudulent documents its not up to the company to determine authenticity.

LOL so if 20 year old Juan Rodriguez provides documents claiming he's 36 year old Bill Smith, corps should just look the other way because he gave them something?

Do you know how stupid that sounds?

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-27 07:36 PM | Reply

- Do you know how stupid that sounds?

So what's your plan, smart guy?

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 07:50 PM | Reply

#21 what's my plan?

Let's start by not giving corps such an obvious loophole like so long as they get a piece of paper they have no responsibility to follow the law.

#22 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-27 08:13 PM | Reply

So the future employees bring the employer fake documents and the employer is supposed to be ICE now?
Should a company prosecute any employee that submits fraudulent documents?
Liberals would go ballistic.
Yet, on the other hand, the whole point of sanctuary cities is saying the cities don't want to get involved with a federal immigration issue, now Liberals are saying every business, has too, but cities and police departments are exempt.
Time for Congress to call these illegals to testify how they duped Donnie into hiring them.
#8 | POSTED BY BORED
I am sure they should, but they should also have to do time ... say 10 years for a first offense not tied to terrorism or drug trafficking?
en.wikipedia.org
#10 | Posted by AndreaMackris

7-11 clerks check for valid ids before selling cigarettes, bartenders and liquor stores before selling liquor to someone under 21.

but it is too much effort for HR departments to check for valid SSN.

and companies don't prosecute, the legal system does

#23 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-27 08:25 PM | Reply

- Do you know how stupid that sounds?
So what's your plan, smart guy?
#21 | Posted by nullifidian

my plan is multi-phased.

One of the phases is to educate morons like you.

#24 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-27 08:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#22

That's not a plan. How are you going to enforce it? ICE raids on thousands of employers, in fact, every employer? ICE agents combing through their records and verifying each and every hire? Absurd.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 08:28 PM | Reply

So what's your plan, smart guy?
#21 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Keep in mind, Nullifidian's plan is to put so many illegal kids in cages, it eventually deters future illegal immigration by their parents.

And then keep those kids in detention, away from their parents, until... how long exactly are we keeping the kids in cages, anyone know???

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 08:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#25 you don't have to hit every single employer.

Hit the big ones and make a few examples.

Especially where doing due diligence regarding paper work is concerned.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-27 09:14 PM | Reply

- Hit the big ones and make a few examples.

Yeah, sure. Just like busting some big drug dealers make all the other ones go straight. Uh huh.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 09:18 PM | Reply

Golly, Nullifidian.

It's almost like you're figurung out why a path to citizenship is such an elegant solution.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 09:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The plan, logically consistent with Trump's campaign agenda, should be to impose onerous fines on employers for violations. With that as policy, and an actual enforcement agency to police the problem, there would be no need to police the borders because without a job only the independently wealthy could stay.

#30 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-27 09:32 PM | Reply

"Just like busting some big drug dealers make all the other ones go straight. Uh huh."

Oh I see.

American employers are amoral profiteers, just like drug dealers.

Doesn't sound like they can be rehabilitated.

Execute them. Revoke their charters. Punish the executives by forbidding them to form or work at new corporations.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 09:36 PM | Reply

- and an actual enforcement agency to police the problem,

You mean like ICE, an agency that Wokamala compares to the KKK and other leading democrats want to abolish?

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 09:41 PM | Reply

"You mean like ICE, an agency that Wokamala compares to the KKK and other leading democrats want to abolish?" - #32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 09:41 PM

When all else fails, spin straw.

Because strawman fallacies are all you've got.

#33 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-27 09:42 PM | Reply

we've caged 12,000+ kids over a misdemeanor. most of them have zero way back to their families. we have permanently damaged these children, over the legal equivalent of jaywalking.

wtf do you expect normal people to think of ICE after that?

#34 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-27 09:43 PM | Reply

He's white. He gets the benifits of the doubt.

#35 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-01-27 09:45 PM | Reply

- wtf do you expect normal people to think of ICE after that?

So you don't want to enforce immigration laws either. Got it.

#36 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 09:46 PM | Reply

So you don't want to enforce immigration laws either. Got it.

#36 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-27 09:46 PM | FLAG:

misdemeanor. it's not worth ruining people. Get a soul.

#37 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-27 09:47 PM | Reply

"So you don't want to enforce immigration laws either. "

says the ------- that smokes pot.

still illegal at the federal level, guy. enjoy your white privilege.

#38 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-27 09:50 PM | Reply

- misdemeanor.

You don't want to enforce immigration laws. Just admit it.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 09:52 PM | Reply

You don't want to enforce drug laws. Just admit it.

Seeking asylum at ports of entry isn't even illegal btw, but trump still separates families over it, because he's a dumb nationalist and a cruel bigot.

Anyone arguing for this policy is an amoral pos.

#40 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-27 09:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

-Seeking asylum at ports of entry i

Stop pretending that this about asylum for legitimate refugees. That's a tiny portion of the illegal immigration problem.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 10:02 PM | Reply

Shocking Nulli would act as if corps can't or shouldn't be gone after.

That might solve the problem and strip his favorite joy in ------------ about Mescins being on his lawn.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-27 10:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Stop pretending that this about asylum for legitimate refugees."

I don't have to pretend, trump is caging these people for it. Children are being destroyed.

Does it make you uncomfortable? It should.

#43 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-27 10:04 PM | Reply

- Shocking Nulli would act as if corps can't or shouldn't be gone after.

Go after them. Fine by me. And then watch all the lawsuits and hysteria from the left that accuse the government of "racism."

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-27 10:08 PM | Reply

Let them. Why would that matter to me? I'm not "the left".

#45 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-27 10:08 PM | Reply

How are you going to enforce it? ICE raids on thousands of employers, in fact, every employer? ICE agents combing through their records and verifying each and every hire? Absurd.
#25 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Later,

You don't want to enforce immigration laws. Just admit it.
#39 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Looks like Nullifidian has this one surrounded.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 10:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Stop pretending that this about asylum for legitimate refugees. That's a tiny portion of the illegal immigration problem."

No portion of legitimate refugees -- including the children Trump separates and puts in cages -- should be counted as illegal immigrants.

You are a sociopath.

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-27 10:21 PM | Reply

How are you going to enforce it? ICE raids on thousands of employers, in fact, every employer? ICE agents combing through their records and verifying each and every hire? Absurd.
#25 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

As are most of your "arguments." Time to hang it up, you demented old geezer.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-27 10:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Illegal employment lowers my costs a bit, my businesses compete globally so I don't get undercut by illegal employers.
I expect the tax cost of children of illegals is offset by illegal laborers that can't claim benefits.

I am more concerned with regulation capture than illegal employment or birth tourism. But then I live near the north border.

#49 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-28 12:39 AM | Reply

"How are you going to enforce it? ICE raids on thousands of employers, in fact, every employer? ICE agents combing through their records and verifying each and every hire? Absurd."

What if we started by asking every illegal immigrant that is picked up by ICE where they worked? Then grant them a waiver of deportation if they would return to work and allow ICE to raid that business and arrest the owners? That's how it was done before Reagan decided to stop enforcing the laws against employers as a method of flooding labor markets that were unionized with cheap illegal labor.

#50 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-28 11:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#1

The fences around Trump's resort's are probably meant to keep the slaves in and working.

#51 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-01-28 12:16 PM | Reply

"I can 100% guarantee that the Trump clubs did ask for a valid social security number"

No you can't.

#52 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-28 12:52 PM | Reply

The club did not use E-Verify because it did not want to use E-Verify.

#53 | Posted by berto42 at 2019-01-28 02:38 PM | Reply

Crazy how NobiasRussian goes from "I blame the employers" to "deport the workers, we can't blame the employers because they are presumed to have asked for social security numbers" all in one post.

#54 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-28 02:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Simply damning for those who think the illegals are the only ones who should be held accountable:

"Ms Morales and Ms Diaz first went public in interviews with the New York Times earlier this month. Ms Morales said she had worked at the Bedminster club for the last five years – even making Mr Trump's bed and ironing the president's clothes at times. She told the Times that managers at the club had taken steps to help her evade detection as an undocumented worker.

"The important point that I think has been left out is that Americans think these hard-working women get these jobs on their own – that's not what happened," Mr Romero said. "People employed by the golf club recruited her and made her the phony documents."
www.independent.co.uk

#55 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-01-29 01:18 PM | Reply

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