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Friday, January 18, 2019

It's no secret that many Americans are fatigued by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now it's clear for the first time that the troops are, too, according to a new poll conducted by Smithsonian with two partners, the Defense Department publication Stars and Stripes and the Schar School at George Mason University.

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This poll is garbage.

"The respondents were 109 active-duty service members and 922 veterans from all branches of the armed services, including officers as well as enlisted personnel; among them were 76 women."

Only 109 current service members and only 76 women? This was a survey of old angry men that don't represent our current military members at all.

#1 | Posted by qcp at 2019-01-18 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-This poll is garbage.

Yeah, the Smithsonian doesn't how to conduct a poll.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 12:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Isn't it about time we quit fighting the boggie man constantly? This has been going on for damn near 18 years now. Take a break!!!!!

#3 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-18 12:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


My takeaway from the poll is that we still do not seem to be able to properly take care of our Veterans when they are back in civilian life.

#4 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-01-18 01:37 PM | Reply

Well 70 years of losing... after being told you are the best in the world... its got to wear on a person.

#5 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-01-18 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2


@#5

I'd be more concerned if those questioned in the poll were happy with the US fighting so much.

#6 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-01-18 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I agree #6

#7 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-01-18 02:10 PM | Reply

What? The mercenaries are tired of doing the dirty work of the Republican party's corporate donors?

Maybe if we reduced the size of the military (and its budget) Republican war-mongers wouldn't be so inclined to go kill brown people with it. But the military members overwhelmingly vote for the party that gives them their (military) welfare money, and now they don't even want to work for it?

Lazy if you ask me (as well as being extremely ineffective... when was the last time we WON a war???).

#8 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2019-01-18 02:34 PM | Reply

Diplomacy is the cure for endless war. Too bad the voters rejected that.

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-18 02:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

If you have a headline that says "American Troops are fatigued", you would expect they would ask more than 109 American Troops the question.

#10 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-18 03:09 PM | Reply

How many have you asked?

#11 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-18 03:23 PM | Reply

Poll that was never taken: over 90% of military are unknowingly bamboozled by the MIC. The other 10% are those who do the bamboozling.

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-01-18 03:41 PM | Reply

this is why we have a fake war on terror. #perpetualwar

#13 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-01-18 05:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Service members are fatigued by political leadership that handcuffs them with unrealistic ROEs while demanding that they reach largely unattainable objectives.

Everyone between seniors NCOs and FGOs know that the wars we're currently in are militarily unwinnable, given the restraints. But the truth is that these restrains are set by politicians, who fear bad press more than they do losing a war. The trick is to keep your dudes alive and get them home.

If we had fought the wars in Southwest Asia in the same way we had fought WWII, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Especially with regard to Iraq and Syria.

#14 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-01-19 01:25 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Smedley Butler said it best: war is a racket.

#15 | Posted by visiter at 2019-01-19 03:30 AM | Reply

"Smedley Butler said it best: war is a racket."

He added--
It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

#16 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-19 03:39 AM | Reply

Take a break!!!!!
#3 | POSTED BY SNIPER

It's almost as if you should have listened to us mamby-pamby doves back in 2003 when we told what a bad idea it was.

#17 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-01-19 04:25 AM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

That's why you wage war as the last resort, not the first. You would think history major GW would have known that.

#18 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2019-01-19 04:27 AM | Reply

"If we had fought the wars in Southwest Asia in the same way we had fought WWII, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now."

Oh?

We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than in all of WWII, including the big one(s).

Too many?

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 04:30 AM | Reply

Too many?

Well yea, during WW2 we were bombing Rail Stations, sub pens, marshalling yards, factories and cities into the stone age.

North Vietnam... it was already the stone age. What bombs destroyed there could pretty much be rebuilt almost overnight.

People forget the VietCong were our friends during WW2. It was the U.S. Marines who tought them how to fight the Japanese gorilla style.

#20 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-19 10:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So, the problem isn't that we fought Vietnman differently than WWII, it's that we fought a different enemy the same way we fought WWII.

"Gorilla style" lol.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 01:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Level the areas and scorch the earth. Only way to defeat gorillas - when they run out of hiding places.

#22 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-19 01:34 PM | Reply

#22 "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 01:36 PM | Reply

It's almost as if you should have listened to us mamby-pamby doves back in 2003 when we told what a bad idea it was.

#17 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Why? You didn't listen to me when I said the wat in viet nam was BS. You take a hill during the day and give it back that night. CRAP

#24 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-19 01:42 PM | Reply

how to fight the Japanese gorilla style.

Dude... there are gorillas... and then there are guerillas. LOL

#25 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-01-19 01:52 PM | Reply

"If we had fought the wars in Southwest Asia in the same way we had fought WWII, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Especially with regard to Iraq and Syria."

Americans fought far superior forces in the Revolutionary War using the same basic style of warfare that the Viet Cong and most of the other wars which we could never completely win because winning is impossible when we invade another country where we are unpopular with the people who live there. Why do you think we finally dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, because our leaders knew that a ground invasion could drag on for years with massive numbers of American casualties. We should remind our leaders that their mistakes are usually made when we forget that it is the "Defense Dept." Emphasis needs to be on "Defense."

#26 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-19 02:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 Danni I'd argue the opposite, the mission creep was in 1947 when we changed the name from the Department of War to the Department of Defense.

It's Orwellian.

And it's stupid.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 02:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"That's why you wage war as the last resort, not the first. You would think history major GW would have known that."

You should never fight a war unless you have the collective capability and will to see it through to victory. Otherwise, you're just allowing people to die (on both sides) for no real reason.

"We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than in all of WWII, including the big one(s)."

The difference is that the bombs being dropped in WWII were directed at enemy centers of gravity. The vast majority of bombs dropped in Vietnam were dropped on open jungle. The US killed a lot of monkeys, but monkeys weren't doing much to support the North's war effort.

And when the US finally did go after the NV CoGs, the results were devastating. The Linebacker II raids in 1972 put the North on the ropes. Had the raids continued into 1973, the North would have had little ability to defend itself or support it's proxies in the south.

"Americans fought far superior forces in the Revolutionary War using the same basic style of warfare that the Viet Cong and most of the other wars which we could never completely win because winning is impossible when we invade another country where we are unpopular with the people who live there."

The revolutionary war??? Jesus. Look at Afghanistan. The first Mujahedeen units that fought the Soviets were using the same rifles their great grandparents had used against the Brits. When an enemy is that committed, you really only have two choices. Leave them alone, or wipe them off the face of the planet. The Japanese were more than willing to sacrifice their entire civilization in the defense of the Emperor...up to the point where it became clear that A) they couldn't defend the Emperor, and B) the sacrifice of Japan was going to have virtually no impact at all on the adversary they were fighting. Their country was going to be burned to the ground by bombers who would be dropping with immunity.

#28 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-01-19 03:26 PM | Reply

"You should never fight a war unless you have the collective capability and will to see it through to victory."

Yeah, well Vietnam was a police action pursuant to the fabricated incident in the Gulf of Tonkin, war was declared by the United States, so there's that.

That might be an important difference between WWII and Vietnam you're overlooking.

Perhaps the war would have been fought more effectively if the men doing the fighting, and the leaders sending them to fight, believed in their cause, rather than knowing it was a lie.

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 04:14 PM | Reply

"When an enemy is that committed, you really only have two choices. Leave them alone, or wipe them off the face of the planet."

We wiped Japan off the face of the planet?

Interesting.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 04:19 PM | Reply

In light of your wipe them off the face of the planet comment, which is somewhat reminiscent of Ahmadinejad, it's interesting that MacArthur was adamant that we not execute the Emperor Hirohito, don't you think?

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 04:26 PM | Reply

there are gorillas... and then there are guerillas. LOL
#25 | POSTED BY J_TREMAIN

Gorilla warfare is far superior;)

#32 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-19 04:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

We wiped Japan off the face of the planet?
Interesting.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-19 04:19 PM | FLAG: ?????!!!!!!

Snoof... I think this must a happened while I was out driving in my Honda, using my Nikon with a Tokina lens while listening to my Samsung phone with the Sony earbuds.... then there is my half bro...

#33 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-01-19 08:06 PM | Reply

Oh and here's ya some "Gorilla" warfare...

www.youtube.com

#34 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2019-01-19 08:14 PM | Reply

Isn't it about time we quit fighting the boggie man constantly? This has been going on for damn near 18 years now. Take a break!!!!!

#3 | Posted by Sniper

I can't believe that you and I agree on something.

#35 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2019-01-19 09:14 PM | Reply

"We wiped Japan off the face of the planet?"

By late summer of 1945, the US had both the capbaility and the collective will to exterminate Japanese society. They knew that. They also knew there was nothing they could do about it. So they surrendered.

#36 | Posted by madbomber at 2019-01-20 01:17 AM | Reply

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