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Thursday, January 17, 2019

For most of recorded American history, political power has looked a certain way. Portraits of power call certain images to mind -- those of older, white men, dressed in suits and depicted in formal settings. The 2018 midterm elections ushered in a change in representation; for the first time, more than 100 women serve in the House of Representatives -- out of 435 seats -- and members of color were elected in more states than ever before.

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Recent gains in women's representation have been unevenly split across the political aisle. While in the 1980s, Democrats and Republicans had roughly the same number of women serving, about 80 percent of the women in Congress now are Democrats.

What it means to be a woman in power varies significantly, even among this class of 131 women. For some, their identity as women is an integral aspect of their life experiences and thus their legislative approach. Others say they are not defined by their gender and should be seen as politicians that happen to be women, rather than women politicians.

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#1 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-17 02:22 PM | Reply

More women holding elected office is significant not only in that it brings Congress closer to looking like the American population. It also expands the collective imagination about what power can and should look like.

Portraits of these women of the 116th Congress are a testament to what power looks like in 2019 -- and the possibilities of what it may look like in the years to come.

-- ELIZABETH D. HERMAN

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-17 02:23 PM | Reply

More women holding elected office is significant not only in that it brings Congress closer to looking like the American population.

#2 | Posted by BruceBanner a

So what?

I don't care what the congress LOOKS like and neither should anyone. I care how congress ACTS. And women have the ability to be just as corrupt as men.

It's far more important to elect politicians who will serve the voters instead of donors than it is to get corrupt sellout politicians of every race and gender.

We need politicians to turn down corporate bribe money far more than we need a diverse body of bribe takers.

I don't support elizabeth warren because of her biology I support her because of her record of recognizing america's corporate corruption and fighting against it. Her gender has zero influence on that.

Liberals need to stop patting themselves on the back for finding diverse candidates and focus on finding non-corrupt ones.

#3 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"So what?"

So, representative democracy should be just that; representative.

#4 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 06:58 PM | Reply

"I don't care what the congress LOOKS like and neither should anyone."

It's not your place to decide what other people should care about, and it's certainly not your place to decide they should only care about the things you care about.

Check. Your. Privilege.

Of course, f you can't figure out why a black kid growing up in America might see himself differently after witnessing a black man get elected President, then your privilege is so out of control you're incapable of checking it.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:02 PM | Reply

Who cares if women get the right to vote? What matters is who they vote for!

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:13 PM | Reply

"So what?"

So, representative democracy should be just that; representative.

#4 | Posted by snoofy

Representative of what? Skin colors or agendas?

What good is a racially and sexually diverse pile of corporate puppets?

#7 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:13 PM | Reply

What good is a racially and sexually diverse voting population? Who cares if we suppress the African-American vote? They weren't going to vote for us anyway!

#8 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:19 PM | Reply

I've said it before but looks like I need to say it again: Of course it matters what the new women in Congress do, but they can't do anything until/unless they get there. Some people are applauding the fact that these women for the first time in history and against the odds have gotten there. Now we will see if they deserve applause for what they do.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:24 PM | Reply

"What good is a racially and sexually diverse pile of corporate puppets?"

- The Republican Party Motto

You're right Speaks. White guys are the only corporate puppets we need.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 07:25 PM | Reply

"Representative of what?"

Representative of the demos, which means the people.

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:26 PM | Reply

"What good is a racially and sexually diverse pile of corporate puppets?"

Ask the Founders, they're the ones whose intent was consulted to allow "legal bribery" under the First Amendment.

#12 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:27 PM | Reply

I can see the Democratic primary debates now:

Corporate puppet? Corporate puppet? I'm not a corporate puppet! You're the corporate puppet!

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

in the context of the social paradigm, i suppose you could make the argument that diversity in the long run would be more beneficial than a short term demand to conform to a more traditional standard of excellence.

#14 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-01-17 07:42 PM | Reply

Representative of the demos, which means the people.

#11 | Posted by snoofy

So you think politicians actions are determined by their demographic?

What a racist and sexist statement.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:43 PM | Reply

I can see the Democratic primary debates now:

Corporate puppet? Corporate puppet? I'm not a corporate puppet! You're the corporate puppet!

#13 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

You're definitely going to see some of that. After their last corporate puppet's pathetic loss, it's important to avoid making the same mistake again.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:44 PM | Reply

You're right Speaks. White guys are the only corporate puppets we need.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack

No we need non-corporate puppets of any race and gender.

Far more than we need corporate puppets of every race and gender.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:45 PM | Reply

Mistake? A corporate puppet won.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:46 PM | Reply

--Liberals need to stop patting themselves on the back for finding diverse candidates and focus on finding non-corrupt ones

Two examples:

Bill Clinton in 1992 emphasizing "it's the economy stupid," and criticizing the left, notably, Sister Souljah. He won.

Hillary Clinton running on identity politics in 2016. She lost.

If Democrats emphasize bread-and-butter issues, they have a chance, otherwise, it's 2016 again

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-17 07:47 PM | Reply

But... why shouldn't corporate puppets be represented?
Especially in a Capitalist system.
Are they not worthy of representation?

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:48 PM | Reply

"Liberals need to stop patting themselves on the back for finding diverse candidates and focus on finding non-corrupt ones.

What makes you so certain the diverse candidates that won are corrupt? How do you know a number of them aren't diverse and non-corrupt?

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"So you think politicians actions are determined by their demographic?"

I think a representative democracy is intended to represent all aspects of the people.

Including gender, race, and so on.

"What a racist and sexist statement."

If it's racist and sexist, then representative democracy is a racist and sexist form of government.

Of course, ours is less so than it once was, now that blacks can vote, and women can vote.

It's funny to see you call those advances racist and sexist though.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"--Liberals need to stop patting themselves on the back for finding diverse candidates and focus on finding non-corrupt ones
If Democrats emphasize bread-and-butter issues, they have a chance, otherwise, it's 2016 again"

How do you know that the female candidates who are now in Congress didn't run on bread and butter issues? I think they did.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 07:55 PM | Reply

Mistake? A corporate puppet won.

#18 | Posted by snoofy

Because dems ran a corporate puppet against him, and judged him to be the lesser corporate puppet.

Learn from your mistakes or repeat them.

#24 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:56 PM | Reply

- After their last corporate puppet's pathetic loss,

Bernie is a corporate puppet too? That's why he lost the Dem primary?

Every politician not named Sanders is a corporate puppet to Speaks, who is oh so much more pure than the rest of us. I'm just glad he didn't have to watch Bernie take PAC money via the DNC... you know, the reason he ran as Dem, had he wanted to win the general election.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-17 07:58 PM | Reply

How do you know that the female candidates who are now in Congress didn't run on bread and butter issues? I think they did.

#23 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

This article wasn't about the issues they ran on.

If it were an article about "a record number of populists was elected on the democrat side" I'd be applauding alongside you.

It's not. It's just congratulating people for changing the balance of genitalia in congress.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 07:58 PM | Reply

Bernie is a corporate puppet too? That's why he lost the Dem primary?

Every politician not named Sanders is a corporate puppet to Speaks, who is oh so much more pure than the rest of us. I'm just glad he didn't have to watch Bernie take PAC money via the DNC... you know, the reason he ran as Dem, had he wanted to win the general election.

#25 | Posted by Corky

No he lost the dem primary because of the same losing mentality featured in this article - that race and gender are more important than agenda and record.

#27 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 08:00 PM | Reply

What makes you so certain the diverse candidates that won are corrupt? How do you know a number of them aren't diverse and non-corrupt?

#21 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Please provide a quote where I said they were corrupt.

#28 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 08:02 PM | Reply

"Because dems ran a corporate puppet against him, and judged him to be the lesser corporate puppet.
Learn from your mistakes or repeat them."

Actually a lot of people voted for Trump because they thought he was a brilliant businessman, with corporate world savvy, and they hoped he'd bring the same kind of jobs and prosperity to American as they thought he brought had to his own succcessful business ventures. For many the whole notion of corporate puppets of greater and lesser degrees wasn't part of the equation.

#29 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 08:03 PM | Reply

Please provide a quote where I said they were corrupt.

I thought that was your implication here:

"Liberals need to stop patting themselves on the back for finding diverse candidates and focus on finding non-corrupt ones."

If it wasn't, great.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 08:05 PM | Reply

If it wasn't, great.

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

It wasn't.

My point was liberals are only hurting themselves and their agenda by focusing so much on the race/gender of their politicians. If the focused on finding warriors for the middle class of ANY race/gender, they would be in a much better position, and therefore so would the entire world.

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 08:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 Speaks, Dems won the midterm election with these candidates. Some of us are happy, proud and relieved to see more women and minorities in Congress, because it feels good to see a govt by the people, for the people that looks a little more like the people and like us. You said you aren't assuming these women weren't bad candidates, great, so why do you assume they will make bad representatives? Why can't we celebrate diversity and potential excellence? We can, and some of us are. Odds are some of these people will disappoint their constituents, and if/when that happens, they'll be voted out of office just like any of their white male counterparts.

#32 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 08:20 PM | Reply

No we need non-corporate puppets of any race and gender.

Non corporate puppets?

So, who's puppets are they?

And why do we need puppets in the government?

And why are you getting bent out of shape about the fact that for the first time in American history, our congress isn't a bunch of white guys who view the world through their experiences of being white guys.

liberals are only hurting themselves and their agenda by focusing so much on the race/gender of their politicians.

Acknowledging the fact that our congress is diversifying isn't a bad thing.

If the focused on finding warriors for the middle class of ANY race/gender, they would be in a much better position, and therefore so would the entire world.

Who's to say the new members of the HoR won't be warriors for the middle class?

Take a deep breath and relax.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 08:21 PM | Reply

Odds are some of these people will disappoint their constituents, and if/when that happens, they'll be voted out of office

Unless they're republicans.

In which case, they'll be re-elected.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 08:23 PM | Reply

Acknowledging the fact that our congress is diversifying isn't a bad thing.

Only if "diversification" is the criteria upon which their selection is based, yeah its a bad thing....

Who's to say the new members of the HoR won't be warriors for the middle class?

Goes back too my previous, if the basis of their selection is "identity/diversification" and since middle class is low on the totem pole of IdentityClaims, then I could easily say they won't care so much about the middle class.

And why do we need puppets in the government?

They are representatives after all, hopefully puppets of the people.

#35 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-17 08:27 PM | Reply

"It's just congratulating people for changing the balance of genitalia in congress."

More like, the Representatives more closely match the gender and skin color of the represented.

It's tough to find reasons not to be happy about that, except for people who never find reasons to be happy about anything.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 08:39 PM | Reply

I don't get the freak out.

Most these representatives haven't even had a day in the HoR yet.

I doubt any of them are corporate puppets.

What's the point of bribing members of the HoR who's votes don't equal what bribing senators gets you.

Nancy Pelosi is definitely a corporate puppet.

But currently, she's standing up to Trump. Mostly cause her owners and his are at odds.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 08:45 PM | Reply

Non corporate puppets?

So, who's puppets are they?

And why do we need puppets in the government?

And why are you getting bent out of shape about the fact that for the first time in American history, our congress isn't a bunch of white guys who view the world through their experiences of being white guys.

#33 | Posted by ClownShack

Well if they're not trying to please their big donors, then who is left to please? The voters. They're SUPPOSED to be puppets of the voters. That's literally their job. But if they take bribe money from big donors, then they work to please those donors instead of the voters.

You are mis-characterizing my position. At no point have I expressed any disappointment at the diversification of congress. My disappointment is with liberals' continued obsession with the race/gender of their candidates instead of their focusing on their level of corporate corruption/independence.

An article boasting about having the largest number of new congressmen who refused corporate money would bode much better for democrats and america than an article boasting about the number of ovaries versus --------- in congress.

#38 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 08:50 PM | Reply

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-17 08:51 PM | Reply

That is why we need to have the government look like the governed.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-17 08:51 PM | Reply

The Democratic party didn't handpick the women who ran and won. Those women picked the Democratic party, won their primaries and then won their elections. Somewhere along the Democratic established may have backed some of them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not aware that most of these women were handpicked by the DNC from the start. And if I'm right, that's what makes their victories all the more remarkable.

#41 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 08:52 PM | Reply

That is why we need to have the government look like the governed.

#40 | Posted by BruceBanner

Looks are a much lower priority than actions.

Would you rather have a government who LOOKS exactly like the racial/sexual composition of the country yet serves only the interests of the elites, or a government of all one race and gender who serves the interests of all races and classes?

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 08:59 PM | Reply

"Looks are a much lower priority than actions."

Then stop obsessing over looks.

Also, I don't believe you.

For your mate, you'd take the supermodel you can never touch over a double-bagger no limit unicorn. Because you need to be validated through the eyes of other men.

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 09:03 PM | Reply

Then stop obsessing over looks.

#43 | Posted by snoofy

That was my entire point to the existence of this article. Thank you. Now spread that message to democratic voters.

#44 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:04 PM | Reply

"Now spread that message to democratic voters."

This is code for "Tell women not to support Hillary just because she's a woman."

This is what Russian trolls spewed on social media throughout the 2016 election.

Fact!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 09:09 PM | Reply

"An article boasting about having the largest number of new congressmen who refused corporate money would bode much better for democrats and america than an article boasting about the number of ovaries versus --------- in congress."

You are the one who is reducing women to their ovaries. Women (and men) can be happy to see more women in Congress. We can be happy that smart, capable, energetic women had the strength and courage to throw their hats into the political ring and win, by virtue of their ideas and their character. Obama didn't win just because he was black, but as a nation we celebrated the first black president in our country's history. I'm pretty confident these women didn't win just because they are women, and I'm good with celebrating the most women in Congress in this the 100th anniversary of women getting the vote. Now they will get to work, and we will see if they live up to their promises and our expectations. There is no guarantee they will; there is no guarantee they won't.

#46 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 09:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

All this cheering of participation trophy stats makes me wonder if the Dems are really up to snuff to save is from the right wing lunacy we're living under.

It all strikes me as a likely loser pumping themselves up in the mirror instead of doing what they need to prepare to win.

#47 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-17 09:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is code for "Tell women not to support Hillary just because she's a woman."

This is what Russian trolls spewed on social media throughout the 2016 election.

Fact!

#45 | Posted by snoofy

Wait did hillary delcare she's running again?

#48 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:15 PM | Reply

All this cheering of participation trophy stats makes me wonder if the Dems are really up to snuff to save is from the right wing lunacy we're living under.

It all strikes me as a likely loser pumping themselves up in the mirror instead of doing what they need to prepare to win.

#47 | Posted by jpw

EXACTLY.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:15 PM | Reply

"Would you rather have a government who LOOKS exactly like the racial/sexual composition of the country yet serves only the interests of the elites, or a government of all one race and gender who serves the interests of all races and classes?"

You are an expert at setting up these false dichotomies and then pretending the two extremes are the only two choices available. Either men are aggressive he-men types or they are emotional, weak and weepy like females. Either the govt looks diverse like the country but serves only the elite; or the govt is all one race and gender but serves all races and genders. How about a govt that looks more like the people it serves and serves those people?

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 09:20 PM | Reply

You are an expert at setting up these false dichotomies and then pretending the two extremes are the only two choices available. Either men are aggressive he-men types or they are emotional, weak and weepy like females. Either the govt looks diverse like the country but serves only the elite; or the govt is all one race and gender but serves all races and genders. How about a govt that looks more like the people it serves and serves those people?

#50 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?

So in this thought exercise, what do you think would be better for most americans:
A government that looks just like america but serves the elites?
Or a government that looks like the elites but serves the rest of america?

Put more simply:
Is it more important what politicians look like or what they do?

#51 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:26 PM | Reply

They're SUPPOSED to be puppets of the voters.

They're supposed to be representatives of the voters.

They're supposed to have our best interest when they vote of laws and bills and going to war.

I'd prefer no politician be a puppet.

Unfortunately, most are.

#52 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 09:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?"

Funny stuff from the RT Candidate voter.

#53 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-17 09:31 PM | Reply

"All this cheering of participation trophy stats makes me wonder if the Dems are really up to snuff to save is from the right wing lunacy we're living under.
It all strikes me as a likely loser pumping themselves up in the mirror instead of doing what they need to prepare to win."

Why shouldn't we be happy these women won? Why shouldn't we be happy there was a blue wave? None of this was guaranteed. No one is suggesting winning was the end in itself; winning is the means to greater ends. No one is suggesting that anybody sit back, rest on their laurels, do nothing, and bask in the glory of their historic wins. All we are doing is noting, with gratitude and hope, that there are historic gains.

PS Every party needs a ------; that's why we invited you.

#54 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 09:31 PM | Reply

All this cheering of participation trophy stats makes me wonder if the Dems are really up to snuff to save is from the right wing lunacy we're living under.

I suppose we'll find out.

Once the government starts up again.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 09:32 PM | Reply

"Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?"

And surely you are smart enough to recognize the logical fallacy of a false dichotomy/dilemma when you write one, aren't you?:

www.logicallyfallacious.com

www.philosophy-index.com

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 09:35 PM | Reply

"Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?"

Funny stuff from the RT Candidate voter.

#53 | Posted by snoofy

What an odd response. Are you out of gas for this debate?

#57 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:37 PM | Reply

#56 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

That's why I boiled it down for you.

What is MORE important to you - how a candidate looks, or the agenda they pursue?

#58 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 09:37 PM | Reply

Speaks, I reject the either/or, false dichotomy way you are trying to frame this debate. Just as I reject your either "men are he-men" or "they are -------" frame in the other thread.

#59 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-17 10:10 PM | Reply

There is strength in diversity.

Are people really arguing against that?

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-17 11:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What is MORE important to you - how a candidate looks, or the agenda they pursue

You seem to be confused as to what this article is about.

It's welcoming in the new Representatives of Congress and celebrating the diversity of race, gender and religion of the Democratic Party.

That's it.

As for agendas, we'll have to wait for the federal government to reopen.

Also, this diversity is a complement to the voters.

#61 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-17 11:29 PM | Reply

There is strength in diversity.

Are people really arguing against that?

#60 | Posted by BruceBanner

First and foremost there is strength in competency.

I'll worry about diversity once they've demonstrated competency.

#62 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 12:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Getting elected is no joke.

#63 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-18 12:41 AM | Reply

Nor is it quite the accomplishment.

Remember.

Trump was elected.

#64 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 01:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Whatever was going on in congress over the past few years wasn't working. We will see what some new folks do. To be honest, I think most of the new women are just as bad as the men.

#65 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-18 02:16 AM | Reply

Remember.

Trump was elected.

Who could forget?

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-18 02:42 AM | Reply

AOC's cult of personality.

Who are committing the same sins.

#67 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 03:14 AM | Reply

The focus should be on competence, character and accomplishments. Period.

Race, gender, sexual orientation and any other minority statuses should all be secondary at most in terms of consideration.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 10:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"There is strength in diversity.

Are people really arguing against that?"

The same people that say that fight intellectual diversity, deplatform campus speakers and politically-incorrect college professors, praise ideological uniformity in Hollywood, the popular culture, the MSM, etc.

#69 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 10:18 AM | Reply

They will become drunk on power, privilege and money just like the rest....

#70 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2019-01-18 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"What an odd response."

Ditto.

You talk about realistic choice, and yet you're unwavering in your support for Jill Stein, even as she's turned out to be, at best, a Patsy on Putin's Payroll.

"Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?"

Is that how you describe your support for the RT Candidate, a thought exercise to explore your priorities?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 01:26 PM | Reply

The same people that say that fight intellectual diversity, deplatform campus speakers and politically-incorrect college professors, praise ideological uniformity in Hollywood, the popular culture, the MSM, etc.

#69 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-18 10:18 AM | FLAG:

Maybe liberals need to work harder at effectively refuting ideas they don't agree with.

#72 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-18 01:46 PM | Reply

"The same people that say that fight intellectual diversity, deplatform campus speakers"

Yeah that's BS.

Intellectual diversity doesn't mean giving Nazis a soapbox.

It means taking away the Nazis soapbox.

The Nazis wouldn't give other views a soapbox, so they disqualify themselves from participating in diversity events.

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 01:57 PM | Reply

#73

Oh, so now people like Heather MacDonald and Ben Shapiro are Nazis?

#74 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 03:02 PM | Reply

Everyone is a Nazi to the leftist Thought Police.

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#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 03:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

She says some good ---- in here. Guess I'll watch these docs. Go do it.

"Much of it doesn't come from hate. It comes from a lot of other basic human needs that are not being met. To be sure, there are political and social and economic factors involved on both sides, but if you dig deep, you find that it's about much more than that.

I tried to understand the core psychological draw of these movements. I found that a sense of belonging or purpose was a major factor. These people join these groups and suddenly they have a sense of meaning in life, a belief that they matter, that their voice matters. It's as though they were once invisible and now they're seen.

Most of these men get so much attention once they do something horrible, or once they say something horrible. Before that, they're invisible. And I think there is something really powerful in that, and perhaps that says more about us as a society than it does about them. "

www.vox.com

#76 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-18 04:00 PM | Reply

"First and foremost there is strength in competency.

I'll worry about diversity once they've demonstrated competency."

-Poll Workers in the Jim Crow South

en.m.wikipedia.org

#77 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 04:05 PM | Reply

"Oh, so now people like Heather MacDonald and Ben Shapiro are Nazis?"

They promote intolerance.

That's not compatible with promoting diversity.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 04:41 PM | Reply

First off, no they don't. Secondly way to move the goalposts.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 04:43 PM | Reply

The ones promoting intolerance are the snowflakes who can't abide a speaking platform for anyone whose politics don't align with their own. You know, people like you.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 04:50 PM | Reply

The ones promoting intolerance are the snowflakes who can't abide a speaking platform for anyone whose politics don't align with their own. You know, people like you.

#80 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 04:50 PM | FLAG:

Funny how the conversation has shifted from "allow" to "provide a platform for."

#81 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 04:59 PM | Reply

Come to that, funny how the conversation has shifted from "bigots" to "people who's politics don't align."

#82 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:04 PM | Reply

Come to that, funny how the conversation has shifted from "bigots" to "people who's politics don't align."

#82 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Aren't people whose politics don't align with the left, by definition, bigots according to you and Snoofy?

#83 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:22 PM | Reply

Funny how the conversation has shifted from "allow" to "provide a platform for."

#81 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2019-01-18 04:59 PM

Take it up with Snoofy:

Intellectual diversity doesn't mean giving Nazis a soapbox.

It means taking away the Nazis soapbox.

The Nazis wouldn't give other views a soapbox, so they disqualify themselves from participating in diversity events.

#73 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#84 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:23 PM | Reply

Aren't people whose politics don't align with the left, by definition, bigots according to you and Snoofy?

#83 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 05:22 PM | FLAG:

Take that strawman and stuff it.... with more straw.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:24 PM | Reply

#84

Take what up with him? You are trying to make the provision of platforms an intellectual diversity issue. He pointed out to you that it's not. So?

#86 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:25 PM | Reply

"The ones promoting intolerance are the snowflakes who can't abide a speaking platform for anyone whose politics don't align with their own. You know, people like you.
#80 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

So you'd staight up give Nazis a soapbox to preach their hate from.

Why'd you bring up these other bigots like Shapiro then???

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 05:34 PM | Reply

#85 Am I wrong?

#86 He called campus speakers Nazis and went on to claim they should have their speaking platform taken away (presumably by any means necessary) When I listed 2 commonly-invited campus speakers and questioned his Nazi characterization he both moved the goalposts and then lied.

#88 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:35 PM | Reply

So you'd staight up give Nazis a soapbox to preach their hate from.

Give? No, I never said that.

Why'd you bring up these other bigots like Shapiro then???

#87 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Because he was exactly one of the people Nulli was talking about when you labeled these speakers Nazis.

Also, Shapiro a bigot? Risible. You call him a bigot because his politics don't align with yours. You use that label for anyone who doesn't share your politics. It's binary and insipid.

#89 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:37 PM | Reply

"#85 Am I wrong?"

In my experience, most of the time.

#90 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:39 PM | Reply

Funny, but you didn't actually answer the question.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:41 PM | Reply

"So you'd staight up give Nazis a soapbox to preach their hate from.

Give? No, I never said that."

Great.
Just say what you would do.

#92 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 05:44 PM | Reply

Dirk,

FYI - I don't use the funny flag as an insult. I gave you one because it was a pretty funny response to my question.

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:44 PM | Reply

"presumably by any means necessary)"

There you go again....

#94 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:45 PM | Reply

I wouldn't offer a platform for a Neo-Nazi.

I'd have no problem with a platform offered up to someone I disagree with politically, even a race-baiter like Al Sharpton.

But then, I'm tolerant of opposing viewpoints.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:46 PM | Reply

"even a race-baiter like Al Sharpton."

What a telling comment.

#96 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:47 PM | Reply

"Also, Shapiro a bigot?"

rationalwiki.org

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 05:47 PM | Reply

"But then, I'm tolerant of opposing viewpoints."

But you don't mind deplatforming certain groups either. So where is the line?

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:49 PM | Reply

- Heather MacDonald

She's articulate and smart, which is why the Repressive Left wants to shut her up, with violence if necessary.

" I've been speaking on college campuses recently, so you know what that means. I've received the walkout, the storm-the-stage strategy, and at Claremont Mckenna in southern California, the blockade that prevented anyone from actually attending my talk. So-called students of color at nearby Pomona College, announced that I was a quote, "fascist white supremacist, war-hawk, transphobe, ----- phobe, classist," and "ignorant of interlocking systems of domination that produced the lethal conditions under which oppressed people are forced to live." End quote. So to actually have an audience still in its seats and apparently willing to listen is an unusual experience that may take me a while to get accustomed to."

www.city-journal.org

#99 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 05:51 PM | Reply

#99

Whine harder.

#100 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:53 PM | Reply

Dirk,

I don't advocate deplatforming any groups.

If I were at college I wouldn't invite a Neo-Nazi to give a speech. If someone else did I would either avoid the speech (most likely) or I'd silently protest the speech. I might even listen to the speech only to hear just how hateful and screwed up some people can be.

Snoofy,

I didn't call Al Sharpton a bigot. I don't believe him to be a bigot. He's a racial huckster but that doesn't equate to bigotry.

#101 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:54 PM | Reply

"presumably by any means necessary)"

There you go again....

#94 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

OK. So then Nulli posts this:

the storm-the-stage strategy, and at Claremont Mckenna in southern California, the blockade that prevented anyone from actually attending my talk.

Your response?

#99

Whine harder.

#100 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

So, when I suggest Snoofy (or you) supporting any means necessary to stop someone you disagree with from speaking, I guess I was right. So, not sure why you bothered with, "there you go again..."

#102 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 05:58 PM | Reply

"So, when I suggest Snoofy (or you) supporting any means necessary to stop someone you disagree with from speaking, I guess I was right."

If you consider political demonstrations "any means necessary" than I guess so.

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:00 PM | Reply

" If someone else did I would either avoid the speech (most likely) or I'd silently protest the speech. I might even listen to the speech only to hear just how hateful and screwed up some people can be."

Nice to be a straight, white male, huh?

#104 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:01 PM | Reply

Someone, for people like Nulli and Jeff, fascism and fascism became just other opinions among a sea of other opinions... like being a Clippers fan.

#105 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:06 PM | Reply

Somehow

#106 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:06 PM | Reply

If you consider political demonstrations "any means necessary" than I guess so.

#103 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Interesting that you label "rushing the stage" or "physically preventing people from entering a building" a political demonstration. But then getting physically violent over someone giving a speech is apparently acceptable to you.

#107 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:07 PM | Reply

The fascists are the ones who attempt to shutdown speakers with whom they disagree. It's interesting that you don't even realize you support fascism, Dirk.

#108 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:08 PM | Reply

You talk about realistic choice, and yet you're unwavering in your support for Jill Stein, even as she's turned out to be, at best, a Patsy on Putin's Payroll.

"Surely you are smart enough to see it was a thought exercise to explore your priorities, not an actual realistic choice, aren't you?"

Is that how you describe your support for the RT Candidate, a thought exercise to explore your priorities?

#71 | Posted by snoofy

You're the only one talking about jill stein on this thread. For some inexplicable reason. In fact you're going to have dig pretty hard to find any posts from me talking about her.

Got anything else?

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 06:08 PM | Reply

#104 What does being a straight white male have to do with that comment?

#110 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:09 PM | Reply

#71 | Posted by snoofy

You're the only one talking about jill stein on this thread. For some inexplicable reason. In fact you're going to have dig pretty hard to find any posts from me talking about her.

Got anything else?

#109 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Only inanities.

#111 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:10 PM | Reply

- #105 | Posted by DirkStruan

Spoken just like a communist. They call everyone fascists. Don't worry, Comrade Gramsci, those of us who believe in liberal values won't suppress your right to fly the hammer-and-sickle and invite the Revolutionary Communist Party to speak.

www.revcom.us

#112 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 06:11 PM | Reply

- What does being a straight white male have to do with that comment?

Dirk, or Snoofy, in action:

www.youtube.com

#113 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 06:16 PM | Reply

#104 What does being a straight white male have to do with that comment?

#110 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 06:09 PM | FLAG:

It is easy to be sanguine when you've no skin in the game.

#114 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:17 PM | Reply

"Spoken just like a communist. They call everyone fascists."

You call everyone communists and then gripe?

#115 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:18 PM | Reply

Interesting that you label "rushing the stage" or "physically preventing people from entering a building" a political demonstration. But then getting physically violent over someone giving a speech is apparently acceptable to you.

#107 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 06:07 PM | FLAG:

Who said anything about violence? Those things you mention are not violence. They are protest, what's your problem with it, exactly?

#116 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:20 PM | Reply

Only inanities.

#111 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 06:10 PM | FLAG:

That is what we expect from you.

#117 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:21 PM | Reply

- It is easy to be sanguine when you've no skin in the game.

What's your "skin in the game," Gramsci? I'm betting you're a privileged middle-class white male.

#118 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 06:21 PM | Reply

The fascists are the ones who attempt to shutdown speakers with whom they disagree. It's interesting that you don't even realize you support fascism, Dirk.

#108 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 06:08 PM | FLAG:

And not the ones with actual concentration camps filled with kids? How about that.

#119 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:22 PM | Reply

"What's your "skin in the game," Gramsci?"

Academic, since I'm not the one telling people how to protest, freedom hater.

#120 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:23 PM | Reply

- freedom hater.

#120 | Posted by DirkStruan

Hahahaha. What a hypocrite and fraud.

#121 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-18 06:28 PM | Reply

Hahahaha. What a hypocrite and fraud.

#121 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-18 06:28 PM | FLAG:

Classic projection, fake liberal.

#122 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 06:29 PM | Reply

Women seem to focus more on issues that pertain exclusively to women and men seem to be more general. Are there examples of male legislators that focus on male only issues?

#123 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-01-18 06:43 PM | Reply

Women seem to focus more on issues that pertain exclusively to women and men seem to be more general. Are there examples of male legislators that focus on male only issues?

#123 | Posted by visitor_

Women suffered systematic oppression relatively recently so it makes sense to have activists in government looking out for their issues. Men didn't have that problem. Well not WHITE men.

I dont have a problem with legislators trying to improve lives for women. What I have a problem with is the implication that a legislator has to be a woman to look out for women, or a minority to look out for minorities, or the implication that men or white people are inherently flawed and have worse ethics or morals, or the implication that women are ethically superior to men in any way, simply because these viewpoints are only going to result in more support for trump.

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 06:56 PM | Reply

Skin in the game?

Again, how does being a straight white male mean I have or don't have skin in the game?

Who said anything about violence? Those things you mention are not violence. They are protest, what's your problem with it, exactly?

#116 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Physically preventing someone from entering a building is a violent act. A mob rushing a stage is a violent act.

#125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:57 PM | Reply

"Again, how does being a straight white male mean I have or don't have skin in the game?" - #125 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 06:57 PM

Is this some kind of circumcision reference?

#126 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-18 07:05 PM | Reply

Funny!

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I don't advocate deplatforming any groups."

So you tolerate Nazis.

But... why???

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 07:29 PM | Reply

"Physically preventing someone from entering a building is a violent act."

Really, a group of protesters sitting on the sidewalk blocking access is violence?

How about if they simply chain the door shut, is that violent?

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 07:31 PM | Reply

"Women seem to focus more on issues that pertain exclusively to women and men seem to be more general."

What the eff?

#130 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 07:33 PM | Reply

"The fascists are the ones who attempt to shutdown speakers with whom they disagree."

We shut down kiddie porn.
Are we fascists?

I've asked you this question over so many years, if it were alive, it might be legal by now.

But you never answer.

Censoring kiddie porn is your Kryptonite.

#131 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-18 07:37 PM | Reply

"Are there examples of male legislators that focus on male only issues?" - #123 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-01-18 06:43 PM

Well, there is this:

Male legislators focusing on female only issues

#132 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-18 07:39 PM | Reply

"Skin in the game?

Again, how does being a straight white male mean I have or don't have skin in the game?"

Are you effected by racism? Sexism? Homophobia? Islamophobia?

#133 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 08:33 PM | Reply

Physically preventing someone from entering a building is a violent act. A mob rushing a stage is a violent act.

#125 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 06:57 PM | FLAG:

Defining your way to victory again, huh Jeff? As is your wont in conversations about racism, sexism, or the like, I might add...

#134 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 08:34 PM | Reply

Poll Workers in the Jim Crow South

LOL yeah clearly that's what I meant.

Do you make a point of choosing the most absurd statement possible when responding?

#135 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 08:56 PM | Reply

In my experience, most of the time.

#90 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2019-01-18 05:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG: Desperately seeking somebody to match his always wrong

#136 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:00 PM | Reply

"LOL yeah clearly that's what I meant."

Would you care to explain how, exactly, your reasoning is any different from that of the Jim Crow Southerners? People always come up with an excuse to deny marginalized groups a seat at the table. It is never the "right time" or they don't fit some qualification or other (ALWAYS as determined by the privileged, of course). Never mind that, when you are a REPRESENTATIVE, part of your qualifications consists precisely of REPRESENTING people... and even now the US government is nowhere close to demographically representative.

#137 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:02 PM | Reply

"Desperately seeking somebody to match his always wrong"

Are you really? Well then you and Jeffy might be made for each other, as you at least approach his level of concern trolling.

#138 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:04 PM | Reply

Nice to be a straight, white male, huh?

#104 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Type it like your basement dwelling, flannel clad hipster whiny ass says it.

Nithe to be a sthraight white make, huh?

#139 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:05 PM | Reply

#137 I'm not trying to deny them a seat at the table you stupid ----.

I'm just not counting them having vaginas as a win. I'll count them improving the lives of Americans through their successful legislation initiatives as a win.

#140 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:07 PM | Reply

Nithe to be a sthraight white make, huh?

#139 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:05 PM | FLAG:

Add people with speech impediments to the list of people you are bigoted against, I guess. What a sad creature you are.

#141 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:08 PM | Reply

"#137 I'm not trying to deny them a seat at the table you stupid ----."

But that is exactly what you are doing by embracing the language and reasoning employed for centuries by people who want exactly that... if you are even being honest about your intentions, that is.

"I'm just not counting them having vaginas as a win. I'll count them improving the lives of Americans through their successful legislation initiatives as a win."

Funny how you can't see a connection between those.

#142 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:11 PM | Reply

And not the ones with actual concentration camps filled with kids? How about that.

#119 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Just STFU you idiot.

#143 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:11 PM | Reply

www.google.com

Food for thought, JP, as you seem to be just cognitively starving!

#144 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:12 PM | Reply

There is no connection you idiot.

God damned you're one stupid ass mother f&$@er.

Just like boaz, you think you can make crap up and demand everybody else treat it as reasonable.

#145 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:13 PM | Reply

Just STFU you idiot.

#143 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:11 PM | FLAG:

The only child abuse you like hearing about involves guns, eh JP?

#146 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:13 PM | Reply

"There is no connection you idiot."

Yeah, because life experience NEVER gives useful insights relevant to policy. /snark

#147 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:15 PM | Reply

I've seen that. As for cognitively starving please don't consider your pseudo intellectual garbage as cognitively full.

You're just parroting other people's nonsense and asserting everybody as guilty (except you of course!) even if it's subconsciously.

#148 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:16 PM | Reply

and demand everybody else treat it as reasonable.

#145 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:13 PM | FLAG:

You mean like you demand all discussion of guns begin on grounds you (self-servingly) deem reasonable?

#149 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:16 PM | Reply

#146 no, they're not concentration camps.

You do a disservice to any cause you attach yourself too. Your wheepy, sandy --- approach to debate instantly turns everybody off to even a friendly conversation.

#150 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:17 PM | Reply

"I've seen that."

Did you get through it? Or did you have trouble with some of the longer words?

"You're just parroting other people's nonsense and asserting everybody as guilty (except you of course!) even if it's subconsciously."

Who am I parroting? Be specific. As for guilt... well I don't seem to have brought it up.

#151 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:19 PM | Reply

What's your "skin in the game," Gramsci? I'm betting you're a privileged middle-class white male.

I've pressed that issue several times.

Wheepy --- never answers.

#152 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:19 PM | Reply

"#146 no, they're not concentration camps."

Sure they are. By definition.

"Your wheepy, sandy --- approach to debate"

Another gendered slur from the alleged liberal.

#153 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:20 PM | Reply

Add people with speech impediments to the list of people you are bigoted against, I guess. What a sad creature you are.

Take out the stupid tongue piercing and you'll be just fine, Dirk.

#154 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:22 PM | Reply

Wheepy --- never answers.

#152 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:19 PM | FLAG:

There it is again! What a vile little misogynist you are!

#155 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:22 PM | Reply

Take out the stupid tongue piercing and you'll be just fine, Dirk.

#154 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:22 PM | FLAG:

Bigotry against people with piercings now! You must be just a delight to know in person.

#156 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:23 PM | Reply

You mean like you demand all discussion of guns begin on grounds you (self-servingly) deem reasonable?

Just informed, Dirk.

And no, emotion =/= informed.

#157 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:24 PM | Reply

So walk me through it, JPWrong: you meet someone with a tongue piercing... do you just launch into mockery then and there? Or do you save it for your online posts?

#158 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:25 PM | Reply

"Just informed, Dirk."

Oh, you are more informing than informed. You start by "informing" everyone of how the discussion is to go, and if they'd deviate? Well, then you lash out. Can't have your privilege questioned, after all!

#159 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:27 PM | Reply

Another gendered slur from the alleged liberal.

#153 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Sorry my yeasty, vaginitis friend, I agree with liberals 95% of the time.

But refuse to label myself as such until we invent a maxi pad absorptive enough to take car of whiners like you.

#160 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:28 PM | Reply

#158 it depends on if they're as big an inflamed gash as you are.

#161 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:28 PM | Reply

"Sorry my yeasty, vaginitis friend"

Tripling down, eh misogynist?

Just like a good "liberal".

#162 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:29 PM | Reply

#158 it depends on if they're as big an inflamed gash as you are.

#161 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 09:28 PM | FLAG:

Slurs that even Trumpers blush to use in public just come so easily to you. Quite telling about you as a person, eh "liberal?"

#163 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:31 PM | Reply

"But refuse to label myself as such"

It really is instructing watching you drift inexorably into Nulli territory.

#164 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:32 PM | Reply

^instructive

#165 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 09:33 PM | Reply

Just like a good "liberal".

#162 | Posted by DirkStruan

Soooo...in order to be a "good liberal", one must be a festering hatchet wound like you?

What was it you said up thread?

Oh yeah, You mean like you demand all discussion...begin on grounds you (self-servingly) deem reasonable?

#166 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:57 PM | Reply

It really is instructing watching you drift inexorably into Nulli territory.

#164 | Posted by DirkStruan

LOL

For one, nulli claims to be a liberal. I don't.

Second, I think it's funny that you demand absolute agreement on this one topic in order to be deemed "liberal", no matter how liberal the remaining views a poster holds are.

#167 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 09:58 PM | Reply

"Soooo...in order to be a "good liberal", one must be a festering hatchet wound like you?

What was it you said up thread?

Oh yeah, You mean like you demand all discussion...begin on grounds you (self-servingly) deem reasonable?"

I know it is hard for you to follow a simple chain of thought, so I will simplify for you: I didn't mention reasonableness, let alone set a criteria for such in advance, as you do in gun control threads.

That does not in any way contradict my calling you to account for positions and conduct inconsistent with your claimed ideology (I.e. for dishonesty or hypocrisy). See the difference? Or do you need a diagram in crayon?

#168 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:01 PM | Reply

"For one, nulli claims to be a liberal. I don't."

Well then what are you getting so worked up over? I guess you can just own your vile misogyny.

#169 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:02 PM | Reply

"Second, I think it's funny that you demand absolute agreement on this one topic in order to be deemed "liberal","

Is declining to parrot the standard of the Jim Crow South an unreasonable thing to expect of a professed liberal?

#170 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:04 PM | Reply

The best part of this little chat, JP, is how you prove my point: vile misogynistic pondscum like you are what makes it so impressive when a woman, ANY woman, rises to elected office.

#171 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:06 PM | Reply

I didn't mention reasonableness, let alone set a criteria for such in advance, as you do in gun control threads.

"Reasonableness" is your own word, idiot.

If you're going to put words in people's mouths, don't be a whiny hypocritical snatch about them rubbing your face in that pile. Also, don't try to be condescending about it as if your lack of awareness means your doucheness doesn't exist.

That does not in any way contradict my calling you to account for positions and conduct inconsistent with your claimed ideology

What part of "I don't claim the liberal label" do you not understand, -------?

God damned you are Boaz level stupid.

#172 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:06 PM | Reply

"festering hatchet wound like you?"

Do you talk to the women in your life this way? Do they know you use this sort of language? I wonder if they'd still be in your life if they did...

#173 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:07 PM | Reply

Is declining to parrot the standard of the Jim Crow South an unreasonable thing to expect of a professed liberal?

#170 | Posted by DirkStruan

I would love to live in a world like yours, where I can just slap inflammatory labels on whatever I want and believe it to be so regardless of reality.

My valuing competency in counteracting Trump and the vile GOP as more important than identity politic demographic stats is hardly akin to Jim Crow type thinking, namely in that I have zero desire to prevent their being in Congress based on their sex.

Is that simple enough for you? Or do I need to translate it into -----?

vile misogynistic pondscum like you are what makes it so impressive when a woman, ANY woman, rises to elected office.

#171 | Posted by DirkStruan

Yup. Because I certainly wouldn't vote for no god darned woman! Well, unless it was to decide who was gonna rub my feet who who was gonna cook my dinner!

#174 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:11 PM | Reply

""Reasonableness" is your own word, idiot."

Yes, JP... and different words mean different things! Isn't learning fun? I know it is hard for you, but if you apply yourself you may transcend your current status as a waste of bandwidth.

"What part of "I don't claim the liberal label" do you not understand, -------?"

There you go, JP! You OWN your regressivism!

#175 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:11 PM | Reply

Yup. Because I certainly wouldn't vote for no god darned woman! Well, unless it was to decide who was gonna rub my feet who who was gonna cook my dinner!

#174 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:11 PM | FLAG:

Hey, you are the one spitting out misogynist hate like it's your job.

#176 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:12 PM | Reply

I wonder if they'd still be in your life if they did...

#173 | Posted by DirkStruan

My fiance would think that this is hilarious.

Because she'd think you're a tool who should STFU (especially as a middle class hipster douche) and let women worry about women while also thinking you're an idiot for not being able to see that I'm stringing you a long like a monkey with a banana.

#177 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:13 PM | Reply

"My valuing competency in counteracting Trump and the vile GOP"

Yeah, Jim Crow Southerners had their excuses too.

"as more important than identity politic demographic stats"

Telling oppressed people to wait their turn until you say they are ready. How tragically familiar.

#178 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:15 PM | Reply

"My fiance would think that this is hilarious."

Or is afraid to tell you otherwise, anyway.

#179 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:16 PM | Reply

Yes, JP... and different words mean different things! Isn't learning fun?

Says the dumbass who can't read somebody's thoughts and accurately address them.

Let me guess, you probably pulled straight B- grades at your community college working towards a Philosophy degree with dual minors in Gender Studies and interpretative dance (turns out those hairy, circle drumming chicks aren't interested in your patronizing faux concern, are they?), didn't you? And worse, you didn't even get to nibble a fur burger or two, did you? Womp womp.

Hey, you are the one spitting out misogynist hate like it's your job.

#176 | Posted by DirkStruan

Just calling it as I see it.

#180 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:17 PM | Reply

"let women worry about women"

Yeah, that's what modern racists say about blacks too. Let's just ignore centuries of oppression and let them fix "their own problems."

#181 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:17 PM | Reply

"Says the dumbass who can't read somebody's thoughts and accurately address them."

So I'm supposed to be able to read your thoughts now? I doubt I'd want to even if I could, misogynist.

#182 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:19 PM | Reply

Yeah, Jim Crow Southerners had their excuses too.

Yeah, and pseudo intellectual dumbasses have theirs too.

Like who could possibly value results and attaining stated goals over patronizing, transparent "you go girl!" calls from limp dicked betas?

Telling oppressed people to wait their turn until you say they are ready. How tragically familiar.

Lying is as comfortable for you as it is for a Trumper. That's pretty pathetic, dude.

Or is afraid to tell you otherwise, anyway.

LOL yeah she's definitely too demure to share her opinion with me LOL. And I'd definitely give her some of that Memphis mouthwash if she does!

#183 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:21 PM | Reply

Just calling it as I see it....

#180 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:17 PM | FLAG:

...misogynistically. Yeah, I know. Apparently your fiancé doesn't.

#184 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:21 PM | Reply

So I'm supposed to be able to read your thoughts now? I doubt I'd want to even if I could, misogynist.

#182 | Posted by DirkStruan

Why don't we start with reading what is on the screen? Yeah?

#185 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:21 PM | Reply

"Womp womp."

Same expression as that Trumper who mocked the differently abled. You probably do that too.

#186 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:22 PM | Reply

...misogynistically. Yeah, I know. Apparently your fiancé doesn't.

#184 | Posted by DirkStruan

Go take some Motrin, wheepy gash. You seem to have a headache.

#187 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:23 PM | Reply

Why don't we start with reading what is on the screen? Yeah?

#185 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:21 PM | FLAG:

Says the guy who can't tell words apart.

#188 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:23 PM | Reply

Same expression as that Trumper who mocked the differently abled. You probably do that too.

#186 | Posted by DirkStruan

Well, I've been mocking you for some time, haven't I dirktard?

#189 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:23 PM | Reply

Go take some Motrin, wheepy gash. You seem to have a headache.

#187 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:23 PM | FLAG:

Hit a nerve, huh? Is it hard to walk around all day pretending to be a decent person?

#190 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:24 PM | Reply

Says the guy who can't tell words apart.

#188 | Posted by DirkStruan

What words, exactly? You kept using the word reasonable, a term I've never used myself.

#191 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:24 PM | Reply

Hit a nerve, huh? Is it hard to walk around all day pretending to be a decent person?

#190 | Posted by DirkStruan

More like hard to deal with worthless resource sinks.

#192 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:25 PM | Reply

#183

Wow. No refutation, huh? I guess we are making progress, Jim Crow W.

#193 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:25 PM | Reply

More like hard to deal with worthless resource sinks.

#192 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:25 PM | FLAG:

I defer to your expertise in wasting resources, misogynist.

#194 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:27 PM | Reply

I'm assuming you meant this?

Yeah, that's what modern racists say about blacks too. Let's just ignore centuries of oppression and let them fix "their own problems."

#181 | Posted by DirkStruan

See, you can read my thoughts. I'm racist too.

#195 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:27 PM | Reply

"What words, exactly? "

Wow. You really do need a diagram in crayon, don't you?

#196 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:28 PM | Reply

I defer to your expertise in wasting resources, misogynist.

#194 | Posted by DirkStruan

Says the wanna be feminist beta.

Is the fur burger really worth it, dirk. Is it really?

#197 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:29 PM | Reply

See, you can read my thoughts. I'm racist too.

#195 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:27 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Not your thoughts. Just your posts.

#198 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:29 PM | Reply

Well, I've been mocking you for some time, haven't I dirktard?

#189 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:23 PM | FLAG:

Flagged offensive, bigot.

#199 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:30 PM | Reply

Wow. You really do need a diagram in crayon, don't you?

#196 | Posted by DirkStruan

Wow. You would have pounced on that if you had an actual point.

But we're digressing. Isn't this conversation all about my misogyny and how you're a wheepy, oozing cooze?

#200 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:30 PM | Reply

"Says the wanna be feminist beta."

You are sounding more like a Trumper by the second.

#201 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:31 PM | Reply

"Wow. You would have pounced on that if you had an actual point."

The point was made already. No refutation from you.

#202 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:32 PM | Reply

Not your thoughts. Just your posts.

#198 | Posted by DirkStruan

I haven't said anything racist.

As a liberal, that would be unbecoming.

Flagged offensive, bigot.

#199 | Posted by DirkStruan

Of course you did you mental midget.

Poor dirktard. Somebody isn't telling him how special he is like mommy said they should!

#203 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:32 PM | Reply

But we're digressing. Isn't this conversation all about my misogyny and how you're a wheepy, oozing cooze?

#200 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:30 PM | FLAG:

It started with you repeating Jim Crow reasoning and arguing against the value of diversity. Your little temper tantrum followed apace.

#204 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:33 PM | Reply

You are sounding more like a Trumper by the second.

#201 | Posted by DirkStruan

Duh. I make fun of disabled people.

And take their ice cream. It's hilarious watching watching dirktards cry when their ice cream is taken away.

The point was made already. No refutation from you.

#202 | Posted by DirkStruan

I asked you to state what the two words were. I even said one is the chosen term your use that I've never used.

What is the second term that I'm missing here? Or are you honestly making the profound point that reasonableness and informed mean different things?

#205 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:34 PM | Reply

"I haven't said anything racist."

Sure you have, Jim Crow W.

"As a liberal, that would be unbecoming."

Not very consistent about whether you call yourself one, eh?

"Of course you did you mental midget."

Wow. Hit another nerve and out comes more bigotry. But then, you don't much like being held responsible for your own words and beliefs, do you? You'd rather hide, throw a tantrum, deflect like a coward...

#206 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:36 PM | Reply

It started with you repeating Jim Crow reasoning and arguing against the value of diversity. Your little temper tantrum followed apace.

#204 | Posted by DirkStruan

You started with asserting a falsehood in response to an argument I not only never made, but explicitly commented on as not my point within this very thread.

Basically, you dirktarded the thread because you're too constrained within the bounds of your little mind to comprehend explicit statements made by others.

#207 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:37 PM | Reply

#205

Flagged offensive. Again.

Now go and read post 165. Slowly this time. Then read it again. Be careful not to over exert yourself.

#208 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:39 PM | Reply

Sure you have, Jim Crow W.

C&P the post.

Not very consistent about whether you call yourself one, eh?

You really are dense, aren't you?

Wow. Hit another nerve and out comes more bigotry. But then, you don't much like being held responsible for your own words and beliefs, do you? You'd rather hide, throw a tantrum, deflect like a coward...

We can't say midget now?

Be truthful, dirk. Are you weeping like a little bitch right now at all the injustice on this thread? Because I'm having trouble holding it in.

#209 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:39 PM | Reply

"You started with asserting a falsehood in response to an argument I not only never made, but explicitly commented on as not my point within this very thread."

Nope: I pointed out something about your reasoning that you didn't like and you threw a tantrum that included every slur you could think of, and the absurd complaint that I didn't read your innermost thoughts (by magic, one supposes). All to avoid the uncomfortable reality that you are using the same reasoning as propped up on of the key features of Jim Crow. It is sad and pathetic.

#210 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:41 PM | Reply

Because I'm having trouble holding it in.

#209 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 10:39 PM | FLAG:

What's that? Your bigotry or your bowels? Either way, the result is similar enough.

#211 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:43 PM | Reply

#205

Flagged offensive. Again.

Translation: I'm a whiny ----. Again.

Now go and read post 165. Slowly this time. Then read it again. Be careful not to over exert yourself.

#208 | Posted by DirkStruan

This one

^instructive

#165 | Posted by DirkStruan

Yeah. About what I'd expect from you.

#212 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:43 PM | Reply

All to avoid the uncomfortable reality that you are using the same reasoning as propped up on of the key features of Jim Crow. It is sad and pathetic.

#210 | Posted by DirkStruan

You've yet to show even a slightly on the mark interpretation of my posts.

Maybe start there before telling me what my views are and what my thoughts on a topic are?

What's that? Your bigotry or your bowels? Either way, the result is similar enough.

#211 | Posted by DirkStruan

What bigotry?

Ahhh yes, everything that isn't Dirktarded is "bigotry" in your mental midget, wheepy --- ----- beta world.

#213 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:46 PM | Reply

Pardon: 168

#214 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:47 PM | Reply

Pardon: 168

#214 | Posted by DirkStruan

Give me a few minutes before I read it.

I need to run to the corner store for a case of Stag and to punch a few little black kids.

#215 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 10:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You've yet to show even a slightly on the mark interpretation of my posts.

Maybe start there before telling me what my views are and what my thoughts on a topic are?"

Whiny little coward. You say bigoted things and then whine about not meaning it deep down? Who cares? You said what you said. Own it.

#216 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:49 PM | Reply

"What bigotry?"

How about this:

"Ahhh yes, everything that isn't Dirktarded is "bigotry" in your mental midget, wheepy --- ----- beta world."

I wonder why you haven't been banned...

#217 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 10:50 PM | Reply

"I need to run to the corner store for a case of Stag"

Having a few drinks and showing your true colors, huh?

#218 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:06 PM | Reply

I wonder why you haven't been banned...

Because rcade knows I contribute posts of value to the discussion.

He only keeps you around because somebody has to be the punching bag.

#219 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:10 PM | Reply

Having a few drinks and showing your true colors, huh?

#218 | Posted by DirkStruan

Nah it's just for fun.

Like midget tossing.

#220 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Because rcade knows I contribute posts of value to the discussion. ~ JPW

Dirk contributes way more than you JPW ... just sayin...

#221 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-18 11:13 PM | Reply

Awwww look butthurt has shown up.

Wheepy --- and butt hurt. A pair made in toxic masculinity heaven.

#222 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:19 PM | Reply

JPW #177

You're engaged to be married?

I wasn't aware. Seriously, congratulations.

#223 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 11:24 PM | Reply

"Because rcade knows I contribute posts of value to the discussion."

Like hate speech, drunken ranting, and hearkenings back to dear departed Dixie?

#224 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:33 PM | Reply

I usually shy away from sharing personal info and that's the first time I've mentioned it.

Anyway, thanks!

#225 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:37 PM | Reply

He only keeps you around because somebody has to be the punching bag.

#219 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 11:10 PM | FLAG:

Says the guy who's been leading with his chin since just first post....

We know women, people of color, and the young scare the hell out of you, JP (and oh, how unkind the future will be to you), but you don't have to whine about it on every thread.

#226 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:39 PM | Reply

Like hate speech, drunken ranting, and hearkenings back to dear departed Dixie?

#224 | Posted by DirkStruan

And charming personality, cutting, insightful analysis and hilarious wit and humor.

I understand why you're so jealous and are, therefore, keen to tear down my posts as Jim Crow and bigotry.

Aim to better yourself, dirkvag, instead of tearing down others.

#227 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:40 PM | Reply

"And"

Not "or."

Thanks for conceding the point... even if this:

"charming personality, cutting, insightful analysis and hilarious wit and humor."

...is pure fabrication. Oh well.

"therefore, keen to tear down my posts as Jim Crow and bigotry."

I just expose them as what they are. I can hardly be blamed if you can't take the revelation graciously.

#228 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:43 PM | Reply

Says the guy who's been leading with his chin since just first post....

If you think that that's what I'm doing then you either don't know what that means or you lack perception to the extent that you don't know what I'm doing.

I'm gonna go with both...

We know women, people of color, and the young scare the hell out of you, JP (and oh, how unkind the future will be to you), but you don't have to whine about it on every thread.

I love minorities.

Without them I wouldn't have jerk chicken, taco bowls, cajun ANYTHING or the women to cook it all for me!

And what other threads am I whining about it on?

#229 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:47 PM | Reply

Dirk,

Quit being lame.

Join the party.

#230 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 11:48 PM | Reply

Join the party.

#230 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 11:48 PM | FLAG:

The Nazi party?

#231 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:49 PM | Reply

Or I guess the Dixiecrats for JP?

#232 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:49 PM | Reply

JPW

She cooks for you?

Based upon prior cooking discussions you are quite the cook yourself. You found a woman who is a match or better?

Impressive.

#233 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 11:50 PM | Reply

#231

Funny, Dirk.

Keep it coming.

#234 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 11:51 PM | Reply

And what other threads am I whining about it on?

#229 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 11:47 PM | FLAG:

Any that feature a certain junior congresswoman...

#235 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:51 PM | Reply

Funny, Dirk.

Keep it coming.

#234 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-18 11:51 PM | FLAG:

You are too kind.

#236 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:52 PM | Reply

Thanks for conceding the point...

What point did I concede? Because as far as I can tell I should be charging you tuition for my schoolings.

I just expose them as what they are.

You mean you just pull the same accusations from your ---?

#237 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:52 PM | Reply

You mean you just pull the same accusations from your ---?

#237 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-18 11:52 PM | FLAG:

Still smarting from that response to your post about "qualifyications" huh?

#238 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:56 PM | Reply

Dirk,

Quit being lame.

Join the party.

#230 | Posted by JeffJ

If he's yet to figure out in the 80 or so posts before yours that I'm pushing his buttons, I don't think he's capable of joining the party.

Unless it's a literalist party.

#239 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 11:57 PM | Reply

Hmmm qualifications... mine do not seem to include typing on a phone...

#240 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:57 PM | Reply

"If he's yet to figure out in the 80 or so posts before yours that I'm pushing his buttons, I don't think he's capable of joining the party."

Trolling doesn't excuse hate speech, however funny you find it.

#241 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:58 PM | Reply

"What point did I concede?"

Not super clear on how conjunctions work?

#242 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 11:59 PM | Reply

She cooks for you?

Based upon prior cooking discussions you are quite the cook yourself. You found a woman who is a match or better?

Impressive.

#233 | Posted by JeffJ

Cooking is an activity we love doing together.

I'd say she's better in the kitchen but I've got her on the grill and smoker.

Since neither of us requires arm twisting to go to work in either I'd say I hit the jackpot LOL

#243 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:01 AM | Reply

Any that feature a certain junior congresswoman...

#235 | Posted by DirkStruan

You do know what whining means, right?

#244 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:02 AM | Reply

You do know what whining means, right?

#244 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2019-01-19 12:02 AM | FLAG:

You provide no shortage of examples.

#245 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-19 12:04 AM | Reply

Trolling doesn't excuse hate speech, however funny you find it.

#241 | Posted by DirkStruan

No, but your hyper literal butt hurt certainly does!

Loosen up, dirk.

Striving for a heart attack at 40 isn't a way to go through life.

#246 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:05 AM | Reply

You provide no shortage of examples.

#245 | Posted by DirkStruan

LOL

Says the Drag Queen of Lack of Awareness.

#247 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:06 AM | Reply

#243

That is awesome, bro.

Really cool that the two of you can share that.

#248 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:06 AM | Reply

"No, but your hyper literal butt hurt certainly does!

Loosen up, dirk."

Must be sad to go through life without principles.

#249 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-19 12:07 AM | Reply

Must be sad to go through life without principles.

Funny how you equate not sharing your principles with not having any at all.

It's almost as if you confirmed everything said about you earlier in thread.

Then again, you think it's OK for people to force their butthurt on others by blocking access to public spaces hosting speakers they disagree with.

So it's no surprise that one could easily recognize fascist tendencies in your thought patterns.

#250 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:16 AM | Reply

Really cool that the two of you can share that.

#248 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah it's pretty sweet.

We're gonna be faaaaaaaaaaatt. But we'll enjoy it lol

#251 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:16 AM | Reply

Dirk,

It's late Friday night and you are still battling?

C'mon! Put the troll conch on the ground and be jovial in a good way.

#252 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:19 AM | Reply

"Funny how you equate not sharing your principles with not having any at all."

Funny how you think bigotry is just another harmless difference of opinion.

"It's almost as if you confirmed everything said about you earlier in thread."

Here you go again, showing your true colors.

"Then again, you think it's OK for people to force their butthurt on others by blocking access to public spaces hosting speakers they disagree with.

So it's no surprise that one could easily recognize fascist tendencies in your thought patterns."

What a surprise. Jim Crow JP hates political protest.

#253 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-19 12:20 AM | Reply

JPW,

Beautiful thing about grilling and smoking is that most of the fat renders away.

Jesus. I'm 47 and have been married for 22+ years. You make me feel old.

#254 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:22 AM | Reply

"It's late Friday night and you are still battling?"

Battling Dirk, they call me.

#255 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-19 12:22 AM | Reply

"Intellectual diversity doesn't mean giving Nazis a soapbox."

Did anyone actually disagree with this???

#256 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-19 12:29 AM | Reply

What a surprise. Jim Crow JP hates political protest.

#253 | Posted by DirkStruan

Telling other people what they can or can't listen to isn't "political protest".

Otherwise you'd chalk up my "Jim Crow" ideas as a "political protest", no? After all, you're claiming I'm trying to deny the new Congress people a seat at the table. How is that different?

#257 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:34 AM | Reply

Beautiful thing about grilling and smoking is that most of the fat renders away.

Jesus. I'm 47 and have been married for 22+ years. You make me feel old.

#254 | Posted by JeffJ

LOL it's not just the fat that will make you fat. It's the "damn...this is too good to stop" habit that makes you get fat.

Especially since she lives in close proximity to REALLY good sea food supplies. I'm really looking forward to all the various fresh fish and seafood I'll be able to experiment with on the smoker and grill.

Congrats on 22 years. Don't feel too old. It's my second rodeo so I'm not as young as it seems.

#258 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 12:42 AM | Reply

Seafood is pretty much the best protein you can eat. My youngest would love it if I cooked nothing but seafood.

#259 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:49 AM | Reply

Best piece of advice I can give: Don't play Backgammon against her.

I played my wife once, shortly after we married. I put her on the bar one too many times. We almost filed for divorce right there. We never played it again and it's why we remain married.

We love each other deeply but our marriage cannot survive another round of Backgammon.

#260 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:53 AM | Reply

LOL if there's a metaphor there I'm missing it. If not, I'll be sure to avoid Backgammon and thanks for the tip.

The sea food is amazing. I'm well acquainted with the usual like salmon and the various white fish (Tilapia....blech).

But getting stuff like tuna (fresh, not frozen), swordfish or mako steaks? Damn. They're almost as dense as beef steaks.

I'm gonna go mad with heavy metal poisoning I'm sure. But hey, we all gotta die from something.

#261 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 01:03 AM | Reply

No metaphor with the Backgammon. It happened and it was a dark point of our marriage. I find fish to be generally off-putting. But sometimes when it's something like a quality swordfish it's one of my favorite proteins. Throw shellfish in there???

#262 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 01:14 AM | Reply

JPW

Our first post marriage fight was over peanut butter. I wanted Jif and she wanted Skippy. This was our first grocery shopping trip after our honeymoon.

We battled over lemonade too.

It was rough but we battled through it.

#263 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 01:20 AM | Reply

No metaphor with the Backgammon. It happened and it was a dark point of our marriage.

Funny the small things...

I find fish to be generally off-putting. But sometimes when it's something like a quality swordfish it's one of my favorite proteins.

I could live off of just seafood. Even just fish.

The sword fish steaks available in her local market are just incredible. Shrimp and scallops? Unbelievable.

Throw shellfish in there???

The holidays were the first time we ventured into shellfish. Our Christmas Eve dinner was a seafood paella with shrimp, lobster meat, cockles, mussels and clams (forget the exact type).

It was amazing.

#264 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 01:38 AM | Reply

Sorry, dirk, I know making paella is cultural appropriation.

But it was too tasty to leave alone.

#265 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 01:39 AM | Reply

"Our first post marriage fight was over peanut butter. I wanted Jif and she wanted Skippy."

That reminds me of a story...

The bride use to razz me about how tired I'd be after a show. How tiring can two hours on stage possibly be?

Then one day my agent called...it was the early days of The Food Network, and a local company wanted to produce a spec show, to try to sell them. They wanted married couples, and my bride is a world-class cook, so my agent called to ask if we'd like to audition. The assignment was the same to all auditioners: give us 15 minutes on peanut butter and jelly. I guess they figured if you could make PB&J interesting, you could make anything interesting.

She researched the history: Turns out it became popular after WWII, after soldiers combined K-rations of PB and J with crackers. After the war ended, sales of PB, Jelly, and Wonder Bread soared.

In the video, we talked about bread choices (White? Whole wheat?), about PB (smooth or crunchy), about jelly (grape, marmalade, preserves) about preparation (put more in the middle, and cut diagonally), how to store it (PB side down, or it gets soggy) and table prep (a fallen bag of peanuts on one side, an overflowing bunch of grapes on the other). After two 15 minute takes...

...she was exhausted, and stunned at how exhausted she felt. The bride never questioned my post-show weariness again.

#266 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-19 01:42 AM | Reply

I played my wife once, shortly after we married. I put her on the bar one too many times.

LOL....wow what a small world!!!!

That and cribbage, don't skunk em.

#267 | Posted by Crassus at 2019-01-19 02:49 AM | Reply

Last nights off topic discussion felt like the DR days of old.

Awesome.

#268 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-19 12:26 PM | Reply

Cooking talk was one of the best things about the DR days of old.

#269 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-19 06:54 PM | Reply

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