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Thursday, January 17, 2019

The oath of office is a president's promise to subordinate his private desires to the public interest, to serve the nation as a whole rather than any faction within it. Trump displays no evidence that he understands these obligations. To the contrary, he has routinely privileged his self-interest above the responsibilities of the presidency. With a newly seated Democratic majority, the House of Representatives can no longer dodge its constitutional duty. It must immediately open a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, and bring the debate out of the court of public opinion and into Congress, where it belongs.

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Many of the president's fiercest critics have emerged from within his own party. Even officials and observers who support his policies are appalled by his pronouncements, and those who have the most firsthand experience of governance are also the most alarmed by how Trump is governing.

"The damage inflicted by President Trump's naïveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate," the late senator and former Republican presidential nominee John McCain lamented last summer. "The president has not risen to the mantle of the office," the GOP's other recent nominee, the former governor and now senator Mitt Romney, wrote in January.

Trump has evinced little respect for the rule of law, attempting to have the Department of Justice launch criminal probes into his critics and political adversaries. He has repeatedly attacked both Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Special Counsel Robert Mueller. His efforts to mislead, impede, and shut down Mueller's investigation have now led the special counsel to consider whether the president obstructed justice.

The fight over whether Trump should be removed from office is already raging, and distorting everything it touches. Activists are radicalizing in opposition to a president they regard as dangerous. Within the government, unelected bureaucrats who believe the president is acting unlawfully are disregarding his orders, or working to subvert his agenda. By denying the debate its proper outlet, Congress has succeeded only in intensifying its pressures. And by declining to tackle the question head-on, it has deprived itself of its primary means of reining in the chief executive.

I was wondering how long it would be before arguments like this would be forwarded based on serious constitutional grounds and not just based on partisan sniping and lickspittle. These last two years have not been anywhere in the vicinity of normal, and that assessment isn't based on mere politics, it's an indictment of an almost complete lack of polity led by the current Divider in Chief. It appears Trump's critics are waiting for Mueller's report so that they might have actual concrete clearcut evidence of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' while ignoring the mountains of Trump's malfeasance being added to most every single day and culminated by the current extortive shutdown of the government in complete opposition to the President's oath to faithfully steward it's functioning.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-17 07:19 AM | Reply

I like the concept of impeachment as a process as well as an outcome, to help figure out just how corrupt and evil this man has been,

#2 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-17 07:43 AM | Reply

Rudy's throwing the people around Trump under the bus, if anyone has noticed. Anyone think he's doing that without permission?

#3 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-17 07:44 AM | Reply

We've gone so far beyond what motivated Republicans to impeach Clinton back in the day. If you supported that then you have to support this.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-17 08:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He should be impeached but he never will be. Republicans are completely complicit with every damaging thing he is doing to America. The GOP should be impeached.

#5 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-17 08:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

ZED

Rudy knows absolutely nothing. Only Mr. Mueller knows anything for sure.

As for Rudy, he caught Trump's Foot-In-Mouth disease. It's contagious you know.

#6 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-01-17 08:43 AM | Reply

I'm skeptical that Democrats are going to open an impeachment inquiry. They're afraid that doing so will threaten their chances in 2020 in battleground districts. That's not saying that I believe they shouldn't; it's part of the obligations of their office, but they probably won't. Some will call for it but Pelosi will never allow it to happen absent something truly outrageous coming out of the Mueller report, i.e. video tape of trump strangling a nun or something. Don't get your hopes up Retorters.

#7 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-01-17 09:28 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

HAG

"Some will call for it but Pelosi will never allow it to happen absent something truly outrageous coming out of the Mueller Report."

That's what they're all waiting for, including some Senate Republicans who need official justification for the folks back home. Anyway, I hope that's going to be the cover they're looking for.

But you never know. I'm sure there are a few true-blue believer in the mix.

#8 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-01-17 10:52 AM | Reply

Same crap every Presidency. Reps claimed Obama should have been impeached due to his use of executive privilege, forcing a service on people, etc. These issues were so monumental that even people on his own side were against him publicly. And the Conservative sites were just as quick to write long-winded articles about it. Why don't people on both sides ever just get fed up with it and stop falling for this hypocritical crap? The reason it's so hard to impeach Trump for his wrong-doings is because both sides have completely desensitized everyone to actual wrongdoings.

#9 | Posted by humtake at 2019-01-17 11:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Same crap every Presidency. Reps claimed Obama should have been impeached due to his use of executive privilege, forcing a service on people, etc. These issues were so monumental that even people on his own side were against him publicly. And the Conservative sites were just as quick to write long-winded articles about it. Why don't people on both sides ever just get fed up with it and stop falling for this hypocritical crap? The reason it's so hard to impeach Trump for his wrong-doings is because both sides have completely desensitized everyone to actual wrongdoings.

#9 | Posted by humtake

Same crap every post. "trump is no worse than ______"

In reality, yes he is. All you have is whataboutism, false equivalencies, and deflections.

Repubs wanted to impeach obama in his first month and it wasn't because of his actions, it was because of his skin color.
Dems want to impeach trump because he's a russian asset who is personally profiting from the white house.

Not quite the same thing. If you have a brain.

#10 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 11:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Looks like someone knows the Mueller report is going to be trash.

#11 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-01-17 01:43 PM | Reply

"That's what they're all waiting for, including some Senate Republicans who need official justification for the folks back home. Anyway, I hope that's going to be the cover they're looking for."

If past is prologue Democrats have determined that protecting their numbers is more important than fulfilling their oaths of office. When they argue that impeachment is a non-starter because the Senate will never vote to convict it's a lot like Mitch McConnell saying that no bill gets a vote if Trump won't sign it.

#12 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2019-01-17 01:51 PM | Reply

Looks like someone knows the Mueller report is going to be trash.

#11 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake

Looks like you have sequestered yourself in a bubble of republican propaganda for a couple years.

Even what is already publicly known should be enough for any patriotic politician to vote for impeachment.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If I had to guess one way or another, my guess would be that Trump will either be impeached or indicted. There is too much EVIDENCE out there pointing directly at him. Did he really think he could get away with being an operative for the Russian government and no one would figure it out?

#14 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-01-17 02:26 PM | Reply

#14 | POSTED BY MODER8

He didn't think he'd win. If he hadn't won his dealings wouldn't be under this degree of intense scrutiny. Word is he wanted to use his campaign as a springboard to creating his own media company.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-17 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Word is he wanted to use his campaign as a springboard to creating his own media company.

#15 | Posted by JeffJ

Guess that didn't work out for hum like so many other things in his corrupt and evil life.

Who cares. Trump should spend the rest of life in prison. Will he? Who knows. That is up to America.

I am certain however, that he will spend of his existence here on Earth suffering from the Consequences of his Actions...his Decisions... his failures and Lies and Deceit.

I just hope me and my fellow Americans don't have to suffer long for them, too.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-17 02:51 PM | Reply

Did he really think he could get away with being an operative for the Russian government and no one would figure it out?

#14 | Posted by moder8

Maybe. Or he knew that repubs wouldnt care. Looks like he was right.

#17 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 02:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who cares. Trump should spend the rest of life in prison. Will he? Who knows. That is up to America.

#16 | Posted by donnerboy

No it's up to republicans, who thus far appear to be more eager to protect russia than america.

They just allowed trump to lift sanctions on the people who are attacking our country.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 02:54 PM | Reply

"No it's up to republicans, who thus far appear to be more eager to protect russia than america."

And America is letting them get away with it.

When Americans get tired of it then it will stop. Not a second sooner.

But, since I am old I don't care really care anymore. Do you?

I am enjoying the Show tho.

#19 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-17 03:13 PM | Reply

One other thing... Impeachment is a political tool not legal.

We will need two-thirds majority in the Senate...

This can only occur if a clear national consensus occurred that the president was to be judged BY THE PUBLIC to be gravely violating his oath of office.

And don't think we don't already have plenty of Impeachable Offenses.

Here are just a few:

Directing the Justice Department to prosecute someone for political reasons;
pledging in advance to pardon anyone in law enforcement who commits a crime;
using the F.B.I. or C.I.A. to get evidence of criminality against a political opponent;
egregiously defaulting on his core presidential responsibilities;
secretly bribing others in a direct quid pro quo or similarly receiving bribes;
and secretly cooperating with a foreign power to promulgate false information against a political opponent.

Americans are just not pissed enough yet.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-17 06:23 PM | Reply

Here are just a few:

That's exactly the point the author is making. If Congress actually opens up the debate on impeaching Trump by discussing all the things he's already done or said, even those only pertaining to abuse of his power, violating the emoluments clause or dereliction of his duty to faithfully execute the laws and run the government, the GOP wouldn't stand a chance in defending him when the totality of his conduct is tallied and judged.

And topping it off is colluding with Mitch McConnell to usurp Congress's Article One powers through the denial of allowing the Senate to even vote on CRs and to force Trump to veto the bill as the Constitution dictates. The President is intentionally doing harm to America, its government and those who work for it because he cannot force a co-equal branch to give him what he wants. That should be enough right there, and that is the case those opposing Trump's extortive shutdown should be making every second it continues.

#21 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-17 06:38 PM | Reply

Trump will not be impeached

Trump will not be indicted

Trump will not resign

Trump will not deal for his removal

Trump MAY be reelected

Trump MAY call off the 2020 elections

Trump MAY call the 2020 election results invalid if he loses.

Truth Hurts

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-17 06:55 PM | Reply

Truthy

We are Thru the Looking Glass.

2 years in TrumpLandia is an Eternity.

Trump will not get a Trump Wall. If he does I will personally tear it down.

Trump will be removed from office or he will resign in disgrace or he will lose the election in 2020.

Trump's retirement years will be in prison.

And I will get paid. And it will be a big check. And I will not pay any taxes on it.

The future is what we make it.

#23 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-17 07:04 PM | Reply

I assume The Atlantic must be just about dead as a business to try this publicity stunt. They have forever ceded any claim to be real journalism. Why any business would choose to so openly flaunt their political leanings is beyond me. Maybe this is why print media is dead - they just don't understand that they you forever lose a sizable part of your customer base. NYT, LAT, WP, CNN - all formerly respected news outlets, now left wing rags dependent on billionaires to stay afloat financially because their viewing audience can't or won't pay for their nonsense. It is actually a sad day in America. We need a strong, independent press.

#24 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-17 09:21 PM | Reply

Dude, when are you emailing rcade to change your name?

Because you aren't smart enough to be ironical, so you must honestly believe your name is true.

When it's clearly not.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-17 09:32 PM | Reply

so you must honestly believe your name is true.
When it's clearly not.
#25 | POSTED BY JPW

I have no bias. Both the GOP and Dems are terrible. It is just that the Dems have somehow managed to care even less about the average American than the GOP. If the Dems actually cared about what they claimed to care about the last 30 years, Trump would not have been possible - for instance, union workers would not have voted GOP. I am actually happy about that fact as Trump is the only one looking out for all Americans, not just playing identity politics which only tears this country apart.

#26 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-17 09:41 PM | Reply

I have no bias either. I'm just very honest. Donald Trump is a Russian operative. There is no question about it. Only biased people driven by partisan agendas deny it.

#27 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-01-17 09:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I have no bias either. I'm just very honest. Donald Trump is a Russian operative. There is no question about it. Only biased people driven by partisan agendas deny it.
#27 | POSTED BY MODER8

Okay, so the fact the FBI looked into it and that was dropped didn't tell you anything?

Will you change your tune with Mueller specifically states that Trump was not involved in any Russian collusion?

I am legitimately scared for the future of this country with the amount of hate/proud ignorance that the left prominently displays. We need a functioning Democratic party in the US to restore balance, we don't need the current Democrat party pandering for illegals, general lawlessness, China, and pushing conspiracy theories too stupid for even Alex Jones.

#28 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-17 09:57 PM | Reply

So far everything about the Trump campaign looks like it was supported by the Russians.

#29 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-17 10:20 PM | Reply

#28 NoBias - Are you a partisan hack of an uninformed fool? Trump's campaign colluded with Russia. It's in black and white in a filed court document. Care to refute that?

And when you respond with the typical BS of "well, Trump didn't know"...it was Trump's campaign. T. R. U. M. P. Trump's. Posseive, not plural in case your confused. CEO of Trump for President. He is responsible. He owns that ----.

So the real question is, when Manafort provides written/audio evidence and testimony proving Trump orchestrated his campaign's collusion with Russia, will you support impeaching Trump?

#30 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-01-17 10:27 PM | Reply

Damn. Left out my quip about (See what I did there) after "your". :-)

#31 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-01-17 10:28 PM | Reply

He won't refute anything. "No Bias" shows up, vomits out Fox News talking points, gets owned and then disappears to some other thread. Rinse and repeat.

#32 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-17 11:02 PM | Reply

"No Bias" shows up, vomits out Fox News talking points, gets owned and then disappears to some other thread. Rinse and repeat.

#32 | Posted by JOE

It's what he did on his other accounts.

If rcade drops the hammer on him it'll be the fourth time he's been banned IIRC.

#33 | Posted by jpw at 2019-01-18 12:09 AM | Reply

Trump Told Michael Cohen To Lie About Trump Tower Moscow: Report

Special counsel Robert Mueller learned of the deception through interviews with people in the Trump Organization and "internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents." Cohen confirmed the subterfuge in his own interviews with the special counsel's office, BuzzFeed noted.

Lawmakers Vow To Investigate Evidence That Trump Told His Lawyer To Lie To Congress

Looks like the impeachment/resignation train is getting ready to leave the station toward its inevitable destination. All aboard....

#34 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-18 04:58 AM | Reply

We truly are quickly approaching the end game where even Trump's staunchest GOP supporters will no longer be able to square their stance against history's record based on things already established in court filings and Douglas Barr's own testimony.

Recall that in December Robert Mueller's office filed a sentencing memo describing the extent of Cohen's cooperation with the special counsel. A close read of the document shows that the special counsel dropped hints of some very interesting additional evidence in the case. Here's how I analyzed the memo:

The special counsel takes pains to note that Cohen's false statements to investigators were "deliberate and premeditated" and "did not spring spontaneously from a line of examination or a heated colloquy during a congressional hearing." His lies were in a "written submission" and a "prepared opening statement." These lies were allegedly told to "minimize the links" between the Moscow Trump Tower project and Trump himself.

Also -- and this is crucial -- the memo notes that Cohen has been cooperating in describing the "circumstances of preparing and circulating his response to the congressional inquiries" [emphasis added].

In plain English, this means that it is highly likely that senior Trump officials reviewed Cohen's prepared, false testimony before he lied to Congress. This raises two important questions. Was Trump aware of the substance of Cohen's testimony? If so, was Trump aware that Cohen's testimony was false?

Now, why are these particular claims so important? First, because they go a long way towards meeting the elements of the crime of subornation of perjury.

Now, compare this to the charges listed in the articles of impeachment leveled against BOTH Presidents Nixon and Clinton:
Nixon was accused of, among other things:

approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to the giving of false or misleading statements to lawfully authorized investigative officers and employees of the United States and false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings.

Bill Clinton faced similar claims. For example:

(1) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to execute a sworn affidavit in that proceeding that he knew to be perjurious, false and misleading.

(2) On or about December 17, 1997, William Jefferson Clinton corruptly encouraged a witness in a Federal civil rights action brought against him to give perjurious, false and misleading testimony if and when called to testify personally in that proceeding. (same link)

Lastly, this is what AG nominee Barr just verified when asked a question by Senator Amy Klobuchar:
Obviously, the President and any other official can commit obstruction in this classic sense of sabotaging a proceeding's truth-finding function. Thus, for example, if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction."
Game, set, match.

#35 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-18 06:03 AM | Reply

Didn't we have an over/under bet thread on how long from inauguration it would take to impeach Trump? Who had under 3yrs over 2 yrs?

#36 | Posted by gavaster at 2019-01-18 06:54 AM | Reply

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