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The president seems to be driven by some twisted version of Richard Nixon's "madman theory." The idea is that if one party to a negotiation behaves in a particularly crazy and dangerous way, the more reasonable people at the table will give in simply to end the lunacy and avoid catastrophe.

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There are several factors playing out simultaneously. For example, congressional Dems care about the efficacy of public policy, and they realize that a giant border wall is a bad idea. It's from this starting point that Dems' spines were stiffened by multiple independent polls, each of which showed the American mainstream rejecting the president's idea and blaming Republicans for the shutdown.

Relatedly, Democratic leaders know that Democratic voters would never forgive them if they simply caved to the White House's absurd demands.

At the same time, Trump has made it easier for Dems to stick to their guns by refusing to offer them anything: the president hasn't tried to broker a deal; he's simply told Schumer and Pelosi to meet his demands in exchange for nothing.

I continue to wonder why Schumer and Pelosi aren't making this case each and every day of the shutdown in front of every camera placed before them. The Democrats are requesting NOTHING. All they want is for government to continue to function as it should, end of story. The congressional GOP agreed a scant few weeks ago and negotiated a CR that would have allowed for the government to continue on while the political arguments over Trump's border wall was still a topic for debate. All sides knew the votes were not there to pass wall funding even as the GOP controlled all 3 branches of government before the shutdown started. Then Trump decided to renege on his pledge because right wing media voices criticized his decision, so here we are, with a portion of the American government being held hostage because the President could not force Congress to fund his wall.

As I seem to recall America has a public policy of never capitulating to hostage takers and extortionists, a sentiment that has always crossed every political aisle largely because giving in once only insures that someone else will come along and repeat the process. The Democrats need to call this what it is: Trump's Extortion in search of a ransom from the taxpayers. He has no right to expect to get his way because no rational US President should think that extortion is an acceptable political tactic especially when placing thousands upon thousands of uninvolved citizens and federal workers in peril while doing so.

#1 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-16 12:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The dems do not want to give Trump even a crumb. They are against everything he is for even if they were for it a couple years ago.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-16 12:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

"The dems do not want to give Trump even a crumb." - #2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-16 12:47 PM

Neither did the Republicans.

For 23 of the past 25 months, Republicans held all the reigns in Washington and could have accomplished anything they wanted.

They wanted Gorsuch, and he was approved.

They wanted Keganaugh, and he was approved.

They wanted their $2.5 trillion tax give away to the wealthiest and they got it.

They didn't want Trump's wall, so they didn't give it to him.

#3 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-16 12:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 15

They are against everything he is for even if they were for it a couple years ago.

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-16 12:47 PM | Reply

We weren't for the destruction of the Coast Guard and Joshua Tree National Park a couple of years ago.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-16 12:54 PM | Reply

The dems do not want to give Trump even a crumb.

For your self edification Snippy (or self flagellation, whichever....): www.drudge.com

#5 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-16 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The dems do not want to give Trump even a crumb.

There was a bipartisan deal offering $2.5 billion. Hardly a "crumb". Trump was originally going to sign but of course he reneged.

They are against everything he is for even if they were for it a couple years ago.

They were for common sense border fencing along with high-tech, just as they are now.

The Wall is nothing more than a stupid symbol for Trump. There's no sense to it. Ask him where he wants it and he'll simply say "everywhere". He doesn't give it any real serious thought. He just wants a trophy.

#6 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-01-16 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 If Trump started calling it a big steel fence, they'd be against fences, too.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-01-16 01:22 PM | Reply

"... they'd be against fences, too." - #7 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-01-16 01:22 PM

Democrats and Republicans in Congress.

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-16 01:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Mustang:

The White House's March 2017 request for $7.5 billion in spending for border security initiatives, including $4 billion to be allocated to wall-related planning, construction, and legal costs related to the reclamation of private land, generated little support among Republicans. In late April 2017, the Wall Street Journal surveyed border state lawmakers from both parties and found that "not a single member of the House or Senate representing the region expressed support for the funding request." They noted, however, that Sen. Ted Cruz "backs the overall idea of a wall," but would not commit to support Trump's specific request. A few months later, USA Today Network polled all 534 lawmakers in both the House and the Senate and found that just 69 of 292 Republicans -- one-quarter of the GOP conference -- supported Trump's request for $1.6 billion to begin wall construction.

Republicans spent the summer of Trump's first year in office avoiding a vote on funding for the wall. By Labor Day, the GOP's strategy to keep the government open and pass tax reform legislation meant pushing the border security debate into the next year. "We have to deal with Harvey, we have the debt ceiling, we have a continuing resolution, which will be just about a three-month continuing resolution," then-Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy said in September 2017. "So you will deal with the wall a little later in the year."

They didn't.

Stop blaming what the Republicans couldn't/wouldn't do on the Democrats simply requesting not to be extorted just so government can function as it's supposed to.

#9 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-16 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

McConnell's shutdown. 100-0 was the vote.

#10 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-16 01:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 If Trump started calling it a big steel fence, they'd be against fences, too.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG

Even if Trump called it a beautiful chocolate cake with 2 scoops of ice cream.

I wouldn't eat it. Though I suppose you already have.

Not in a box or a train or a boat or a plane would I eat Humpy's Poo.

BS is BS and I don't care what YOU idiots call it.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-16 06:02 PM | Reply

Dems need to make it clear that you don't negotiate with hostage takers.

#12 | Posted by FedUpWithPols at 2019-01-16 06:26 PM | Reply

They were for common sense border fencing along with high-tech, just as they are now.
#6 | POSTED BY DEREK_WILDSTAR

Not common sense, evidenced based.

Common sense is being used as the argument FOR the Wall by Trump's supporters.

"You want to stop someone from coming into your home? Make sure it has walls. It's just common sense."

The above is the common BS I see on other websites that have more Trumpers plowing around.

#13 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-01-16 07:02 PM | Reply

They are against everything he is for even if they were for it a couple years ago.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2019-01-16 12:47 PM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 3

i'll sat it again, you're ------- idiot

#14 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-01-16 07:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Pelosi knows that the alternative to Democratic compromise isn't necessarily paralysis. It may be Democratic triumph. Trump, like Bush, has picked a fight that is popular with conservatives but unpopular with the public at large. Most Americans don't think there's a border crisis, don't support a border wall, and blame Trump for the shutdown. As a result, Republican members of Congress are under more political pressure to back down than their Democratic counterparts, and the longer the shutdown continues, the more that pressure should grow. For the time being, at least, conservative opposition has forced Trump to shelve talk of declaring a national emergency. All of which means that the most likely outcome to the current standoff is that Trump caves. And since the wall was Trump's signature campaign promise, such a retreat could depress conservative enthusiasm and impair his chances in 2020. "If he gives in," Lindsey Graham recently warned, "that's probably the end of his presidency."

That's what Pelosi is aiming for. In pure policy terms, there's a case for compromise. Arguably, it's worth wasting a few billion dollars on a border wall to safeguard the "Dreamers" who are stuck in an agonizing legal limbo. But Pelosi is focused on something bigger: the emasculation of the president. For years, Democrats have wondered when their leaders would start playing tough. Turns out Pelosi has been doing so all along

www.theatlantic.com

#15 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2019-01-16 07:30 PM | Reply

The one question I have and I've yet to see it asked of Trump or any of his wall supporters is...How long is it going to take to build this wall? And what are you going to do about immigration while waiting on its completion?
These Trumptards act like once the funding is approved their great big beautiful wall will be done next month and all the immigration problems will be solved.

#16 | Posted by ScottE at 2019-01-16 07:31 PM | Reply


HA! HA! "---- HA!!!

You poor suckers! Sucks to be you Ha Ha! I am safe.. safe... safe!!!

I can GaraunGawdamntee that I will not ever no way Hosea pay for Trump's "---- Wall until the US Government opens again.

Being as I am no longer receiving a paycheck from the US Government I don't have to pay any taxes either!!! Ha!! I win!

And I haven't been since the Trump Shutdown began. Learning to live without money is FUN!! You should ALL try it. Seriously!! If everyone realizes this the Banks are SCREWED! They are all about the MONEY.

So..anyway... the way I see it is that President of the United States and the Federal Government Owes Me Personally and My Family a lot of money and more everyday.

So ya'll just keep undermining and sabotaging the US Govt and see how that works out for you...

Meanwhile, I am going out to make some more "adjustments"...and do some Negotiatin' and keep hoping and praying no one gets hurt on my watch.

Be BEST ya'll!

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-16 07:39 PM | Reply

They are against everything he is for even if they were for it a couple years ago.

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

You are confused. We were For it BEFORE we were AGAINST it but now we are For it AFTER we were AGAINST it.

Then.. at the last second we changed our minds.

Or something.

I don't really care. Do YOU?

Open the US Government and stop acting like the damn Terrorists you POS Traitors!!!

Stop hurting Americans.

#18 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-16 07:43 PM | Reply

#3 | POSTED BY HANS

everything you listed has been on the conservative agenda forever. the powers that be don't care about that stupid wall. trump is just a grifter trying to set up a slush fund that he can raid. mCconel is the man behind the curtain

#19 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2019-01-16 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Americans don't negotiate with terrorists. It sets a bad precedence and gives incentive for terrorists to hold more Americans hostage.

#20 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-16 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 If Trump started calling it a big steel fence, they'd be against fences, too.

#7 | Posted by MUSTANG

If he called it a big steel fence, would repubs have given it to them when they had total control of the government?

If they wanted a wall they could have had it.

He doesn't want a wall. He wants a FIGHT over the wall, so that morons will keep voting for them in order to get the wall.

Same as abortion. Repubs dont want to outlaw abortion. They want to FIGHT over abortion so bible thumpers will support them.

#21 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-16 08:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"i'll sat it again, you're ------- idiot" - #14 | Posted by cjk85 at 2019-01-16 07:24 PM

Explains why 46 posters here willingly added him to their Killfile.

#22 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-16 08:25 PM | Reply

Riddle me this: Why didn't Trump make this wall push when the GOP controlled both chambers in Congress? He had 2 years to get it done but didn't and didn't really try that hard. But now we have to shut down the government over this? Something doesn't add up.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-16 09:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

Riddle me this: Why didn't Trump make this wall push when the GOP controlled both chambers in Congress? He had 2 years to get it done but didn't and didn't really try that hard. But now we have to shut down the government over this? Something doesn't add up.

#23 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-16 09:09 PM | REPLY

QFT

#24 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-16 09:11 PM | Reply

Riddle me this: Why didn't Trump make this wall push when the GOP controlled both chambers in Congress? He had 2 years to get it done but didn't and didn't really try that hard. But now we have to shut down the government over this? Something doesn't add up.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ

It all adds up once you accept the fact that everything trump does is just to manipulate a bunch of dumb racists into supporting him.

#25 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-16 09:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#23

A needed moment of lucidity. The answer is that until the Democrats were poised to take over control of the House, if Trump had pulled the shutdown on McConnell and Ryan it would have exposed what was documented in post 9: Most of the GOP doesn't want to spend money on a border wall either.

Now Trump can blame Pelosi and Schumer while the House Republicans can vote with Trump, knowing their votes won't matter, and McConnell will protect the GOP senators by not allowing a vote on the non-border funding CRs passed by the House. Until enough GOP senators have had enough and join with the Dems to force Mitch's hand, which is how I hope and believe the shutdown will end probably very soon.

That or the TSA agents stop showing up for work. Stopping commercial air travel is DefCon 1.

#26 | Posted by tonyroma at 2019-01-16 09:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This = the biggest difference between the two parties right now:

"Immigrants will simply find another way around the wall. Gun control works."

-- democrats

"Criminals always find a way around gun control. A wall will stop illegal immigration."

-- republicans

We are ssssoooo ******.

#27 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-01-17 04:51 AM | Reply

And before it's a full blown **** flinging fest about how I'm a Russian or a closet republican or whatever I fully accept the premise that we need to vote for democrats because they are not literal nazis.

I accept the idea of harm reduction.

But, please, let's not pretend democrats will save us.

Let's not pretend they are even remotely interested in saving us.

#28 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-01-17 05:18 AM | Reply

The "wall" was vote bait during the campaign and it's vote bait now. And a whole bunch of suckers who make up Trump's base still don't know that. It's also a diversion for what's being traded away at those secret meetings between Trump and Putin. I don't think they were talking about a wall.

Most likely, high on the list, was a roadmap to destroy NATO and what Trump should do to make that Russian dream come true. Meanwhile Trump is still playing his suckers for fools ~ while he jerks the rug out from under them with his "shutdown."

It's all a diversion. Trump is smiling ear to ear. He owes all you suckers a big wet kiss.

#29 | Posted by Twinpac at 2019-01-17 06:08 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why?...because SOME BRANCH of government has to be led by adults?
no thanks necessary.

#30 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-01-17 01:27 PM | Reply

This = the biggest difference between the two parties right now:

"Immigrants will simply find another way around the wall. Gun control works."

-- democrats

"Criminals always find a way around gun control. A wall will stop illegal immigration."

-- republicans

We are ssssoooo ******.

Actually penalizing employers who hire undocumented workers works. We know where they are, there aren't millions of them, they aren't poor immigrants.

If some employers lose their business, the rest will think twice about hiring undocumented workers. If there are no jobs for undocumented workers, there is no reason to risk crossing a border or hopping a fence illegally to get a non-existent job.

#31 | Posted by dibblda at 2019-01-17 02:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If some employers lose their business, the rest will think twice about hiring undocumented workers. If there are no jobs for undocumented workers, there is no reason to risk crossing a border or hopping a fence illegally to get a non-existent job.

#31 | Posted by dibblda

That's the real and best way to fix illegal immigration, but most of those employers are greedy white capitalists. Repubs love them.

They'd rather go after the brown people who are responding to the illegal offers of work than the white people making the illegal offers of work.

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-17 03:07 PM | Reply

#32 | Posted by SpeakSoftly, Maybe if they added bio metrics to green cards they could know who they are hiring. Right now all that is on a green card is a tax number and a name. No photo, no description, nothing. Most places that get busted have illegals that had the required documents to be employed. Technically having acquired a fraudulent document is a felony.

#33 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-18 10:02 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This entire article relates so much to what Obama did in his shutdown that it's easy to see why he eventually said "I won't negotiate with them anymore". The only difference is that, in this case, the article is absolutely right about Trump. Obama just didn't want to negotiate at all whereas Trump wants to negotiate if negotiating means he always gets his way.

#34 | Posted by humtake at 2019-01-18 01:18 PM | Reply

So what does TRUMP really want ??
What are you gonna get for 5 Billion???

52,000 More Beds - not enough now so children must be seperated from parents.

More Federal Judges
More Border Agents

Raises for Both

250 miles more wall to add onto the
currently 650 miles of wall that already exists.

San Diego where part of the new wall was built 6 months ago has already seen a 90% drop in illegal border crossings.

So stop taking vacations in Hawaii, Puerto Rico and KooKooStan and give him the damn money...

#35 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 02:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

52,000 More Beds - not enough now so children must be seperated from parents.
#35 | Posted by Pegasus

That is not why children are being separated from their parents.

You saying that it is exposes you to be a total liar.

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 03:01 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly Maybe the reason is more children are arriving because that is a tactic to get a more likely positive immigration status.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-18 04:15 PM | Reply

"...and give him the damn money..." - #35 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 02:50 PM

Republicans wouldn't give him the "damn money."

Why should Democrats?

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-18 05:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Maybe the reason is more children are arriving because that is a tactic to get a more likely positive immigration status.

#37 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-18 04:15 PM | FLAG:

Wow. Bringing children to a place where they might not be killed by gangs is a "tactic."

#39 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:14 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by SpeakSoftly Maybe the reason is more children are arriving because that is a tactic to get a more likely positive immigration status.

#37 | Posted by docnjo

Yeah that's it. Otherwise they'd just have abandoned them back home right?

#40 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 05:18 PM | Reply

child immigrant detention centers

Google it... Not doing your work....

Republicans wouldn't give him the "damn money."
Why should Democrats?

Thing is he is going to get it anyway... All he has to do is nothing.... keep the government shut.... eventually it will run out of money and will have to close the border...

Mexico will loose billions (along with US Businesses)...

Suddenly, 5 Billion won't look so bad... Mexico might even pay for it...

#41 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 05:20 PM | Reply

"Thing is he is going to get it anyway... All he has to do is nothing.... keep the government shut.... eventually it will run out of money and will have to close the border..."

Tanking the economy and the electoral fortunes of the GOP for the foreseeable.

#42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-18 05:23 PM | Reply

Republicans wouldn't give him the "damn money."
Why should Democrats?

#41 | Posted by Pegasus

You dodged the question, so I'll offer you another chance to answer it.

Or would you like to dodge again?

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 05:42 PM | Reply

Republicans wouldn't give him the "damn money."
Why should Democrats?

Simple why should they?

Both Democrats and Republicans are multi-millionairs ... most made their money on forever wars... why should they care if ordinary Americans or Illegal aliens are suffering... both have no money...

But you already know this... Congress is still getting and cashing their paychecks... while vacationing in Hawaii and Puerto Rico... coz baby. it's cold in DC...

#44 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 06:55 PM | Reply

#44 | Posted by Pegasus

Republicans had ONE PARTY control for 2 years. They could have gotten a wall.
Tax cuts for billionaires was more important to them.

Now they have to share power with democrats and they immediately start complaining that democrats are the reason we can't fund the wall.

If you don't see the dishonesty here you should get a refund for your education.

Repubs have proven that they don't want a wall, they just want to FIGHT about the wall to motivate trump's cult.

#45 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 07:00 PM | Reply

Republicans had ONE PARTY control for 2 years. They could have gotten a wall.

Yep. No excuse to shut down the government over the wall given they could have had it if they really wanted it.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-18 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Both Democrats and Republicans are multi-millionairs ..." - #44 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 06:55 PM

That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Republicans, when they had the House and Senate, didn't give Trump the "damn money."

As Speaks said, you dodged the question.

If Republicans wouldn't give him the "damn money," then why should Democrats?

#47 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-18 07:08 PM | Reply

Repubs have proven that they don't want a wall, they just want to FIGHT about the wall to motivate trump's cult.

Some of that may be true... but more likely it's TRUMP...

They all hate him... no other reason.... anything he want's they are against, and will try to stop him...

NO matter how it hurts the country or ordinary Americans...

Don't tell me Nancy or Pat are doing this for YOU...

#48 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 07:12 PM | Reply

"NO matter how it hurts the country or ordinary Americans..." - #48 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-18 07:12 PM

The "damn money" on the wall does absolutely nothing to help the country or ordinary Americans.

That's why no one wants to waste the "damn money."

#49 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-18 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Repubs have proven that they don't want a wall, they just want to FIGHT about the wall to motivate trump's cult.

Some of that may be true... but more likely it's TRUMP...

They all hate him... no other reason.... anything he want's they are against, and will try to stop him...

#48 | Posted by Pegasus

So if democrats aren't giving him the wall because they hate trump, why didn't republicans give it to him?

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-18 07:22 PM | Reply

"They all hate him... no other reason.... anything he want's they are against, and will try to stop him..."

That explains the Democrats.

How do you explain the Republicans not giving him a wall for the two years prior?

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-18 07:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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