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Harry Enten: Potential 2020 Democratic contenders seem to be falling over themselves to be seen as the most progressive. This group includes those who were always very liberal such as Elizabeth Warren and those who were more moderate a decade ago like Kirsten Gillibrand. This data indicates that moving to the left may not be such a bad idea if someone wants to win the nomination. Moreover, it's not the only piece of data to suggest that Democratic voters think of themselves as far more liberal than they used to be.

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This is just how primaries go .. the question is how far left will the go ...

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I think AOC is a great example of what will happen to the DNC. Basically, going far left may fire up the active part of the party which very well may carry you to winning the nomination as a small number of dedicated supporters can give you the edge. However, that agenda is toxic to the average US voter. Dems, please pick someone that runs on open borders, eliminating ICE, saying police are basically the KKK, and raising taxes to 70%. We will see a landslide victory the likes of which have not been seen since Reagan/Mondale.

#1 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-14 08:19 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

However, that agenda is toxic to the average US voter. Dems, please pick someone that runs on open borders, eliminating ICE, saying police are basically the KKK, and raising taxes to 70%. We will see a landslide victory the likes of which have not been seen since Reagan/Mondale.
#1 | POSTED BY NOBIASPOSTER101 AT 2019-01-14 08:19 AM

Raising taxes to 90% on every dollar over 10 million isn't asking much of the extremely wealthy parasite.

And seeing Border Patrol deliberately destroy water stations makes them obviously deserved of less funding - they are intentionally murdering immigrants. An eye for an eye in a better world.

#2 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2019-01-14 10:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Mackris linking to well-known fake news purveyor?

LOL!

#3 | Posted by Angrydad at 2019-01-14 10:39 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Raising taxes to 90% on every dollar over 10 million isn't asking much of the extremely wealthy parasite.
#2 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

That's the spirit! Amp up the stupid even more please.

#4 | Posted by nobiasposter101 at 2019-01-14 10:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1


@#1 ... Basically, going far left may fire up the active part of the party which very well may carry you to winning the nomination as a small number of dedicated supporters can give you the edge. However, that agenda is toxic to the average US voter. ...

Wait, what?!?!?

Basically, going far right may fire up the active part of the party which very well may carry you to winning the nomination as a small number of dedicated supporters can give you the edge. However, that agenda is toxic to the average US voter.


/sarcasm

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2019-01-14 01:05 PM | Reply

NOBIASPOSTER101

No one gives a ---- what your russian ass thinks.

#6 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 01:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 6

Could would should. Meanwhile the GOP are DOING!

#7 | Posted by fresno500 at 2019-01-14 05:07 PM | Reply

Name the last policy republicans supported that appeals to moderates.

If the far right evangelicals don't want it. The Republican Party doesn't consider it.

Which is why Trump is screwed.

#8 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-14 05:15 PM | Reply

"Name the last policy republicans supported that appeals to moderates."

Medicare Part D which added a Rx benefit to Medicare.

Moderates supported that (just not the part where it is illegal for government to negotiate prices).

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-14 05:19 PM | Reply

Medicare Part D which added a Rx benefit to Medicare.

So. 2006.

#10 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-14 05:21 PM | Reply

Why Democrats May Go Hard Left in 2020

Um because NOT going hard left made them lose to trump in 2016 and they don't want to repeat that mistake?

Well the smart ones dont at least.

There are some die hard corporatists in the dem party that should just switch to repubs already.

#11 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-14 05:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I think AOC is a great example of what will happen to the DNC. Basically, going far left may fire up the active part of the party which very well may carry you to winning the nomination as a small number of dedicated supporters can give you the edge. However, that agenda is toxic to the average US voter. Dems, please pick someone that runs on open borders, eliminating ICE, saying police are basically the KKK, and raising taxes to 70%. We will see a landslide victory the likes of which have not been seen since Reagan/Mondale.

#1 | Posted by nobiasposter101

You used to pretend to be hard left sheeple.

Changing your name doesn't make anyone forget that.

Now you're saying hard left is bad.

Whatever it takes to help putin huh?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-14 05:27 PM | Reply

Loser wants to tax his BETTERS.

#13 | Posted by rumplstilthide at 2019-01-14 07:32 PM | Reply

These talking points are an excellent demonstration of how the right and left use the same word with entirely different meanings. The right wing would define Bill and Hillary as liberals or progressives and then blame perpetual war and everything else that's wrong with our democracy and economy on "liberals". The reality is Bill and Hillary are conservative war mongers who also did more to undo FDR's New Deal than any so called conservatives like Reagan or Bush ever accomplished. They could also be correctly called "neoliberal", which is a conservative philosophy fully supportive of the successful 1% class war we all live under.

The ruling class was stunned by the rapid rise of Bernie Sanders in 2016. Its interesting that he could get so much traction in spite of living in a country owned and controlled by neoliberals (conservatives) that have successfully implanted a deep fear of communism and socialism in the general public. What Sanders did was roust the attention and vote of the many citizens that have written off our system of government, which they know is not responsive to their needs. These people are the 47% of the country that never votes, they constitute a larger group than Republicans, Democrats or Independents.

My point is, contrary to what Andrea and Harry believe, if a good progressive candidate emerges which can motivate hundreds of millions of citizens who have given up on our government and haven't voted for decades, it would change the personality contest that passes for political debate in this country. Whether an honest rational discussion of policy and policy consequences can ever overcome the Friedman-Hayek nonsense and media blitz that supports that nonsense remains an open question. But just watching Sanders rising from nowhere with every TV, radio station and newspapers in the country either completely ignoring him or bad mouthing him, says a lot about how public opinion is shifting.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-14 08:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"if a good progressive candidate emerges which can motivate hundreds of millions of citizens who have given up on our government and haven't voted for decades,"

It couldn't possibly be "hundreds of millions":

The Elections Project notes that there were 251,107,404 people who classify as members of the voting-age population, therefore 115,449,897 of the voting-age population (or 46.3 percent) did not vote. (The U.S. Census bureau estimates that there are over 320 million people living in the U.S.)

This is different from the voting-eligible population because there are over 3.2 million people ineligible to vote as felons. The Sentencing Project estimates that 2.5 percent of the U.S. voting-age population cannot vote because of a felony record.

heavy.com

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 08:34 PM | Reply

Over 90 Million Eligible Voters Didn't Vote in the 2016 Presidential Election

Projections from the United States Elections Project show that there were 231,556,622 Americans eligible to vote, but 138,884,643 voted. That means that 40 percent didn't vote, while 60 percent did. The voter turnout will likely increase as the popular vote continues to be counted.

heavy.com

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 08:40 PM | Reply

A Boatload Of Ballots: Midterm Voter Turnout Hit 50-Year High

Voter turnout on Tuesday was massive: More than 47 percent of the voting-eligible population cast a ballot in the midterm elections on Tuesday, according to early estimates from the United States Election Project.

"Almost half of possible voters actually voted" might not sound impressive. But for a U.S. midterm election, it's a whopping figure. Compare that with just 36.7 percent in 2014, and 41 percent in 2010.

And Nate Cohn, of the Times, says some individual districts saw turnout at or above 2016 levels, a presidential year.

www.npr.org

#17 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 08:44 PM | Reply

You used to pretend to be hard left sheeple.

Changing your name doesn't make anyone forget that.

Now you're saying hard left is bad.

Whatever it takes to help putin huh?

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-14 05:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wait, whut?

Nobia's Poster is Sheeple?

--- WHOA ---

*gasps for air*

#18 | Posted by cbob at 2019-01-14 08:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Nobia's Poster is Sheeple?" - #18 | Posted by cbob at 2019-01-14 08:49 PM

I suppose if this was your posting history...

"Blue Wave is a wipeout." - #9 | Posted by sheepleschism at 2018-10-06 10:15 AM
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"The yellow tsunami of wet pants is going to be epic." - #10 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-08 11:11 AM
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"I will be cheering for a blue wipeout..." - #20 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-07 08:23 PM
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"Dems are about to face a humiliating defeat." - #15 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-10-05 08:19 PM
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"Dem's will lose the next 2 election cycles." - #54 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2017-10-12 03:14 PM
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"November is bringing a massacre. This has been a huge mistake for liberals and progressives to trust these snakes and lizards." #YouveBeenDuped - #4 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-09 12:50 AM
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"November is going to be a bloodbath for Dems. Pelosi and crew are a train wreck. I'll wait for change after the massacre. Bookmark it. - #80 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-07 06:47 PM
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"And the pinnacle of my mockery will culminate with the spectacular collapse of Dem's in mid-terms whose entire platform rests on: 1) scream into the microphone 2) hate Trump. 3) fake news 4) black masks 5) burn it down It's not going to work. Bookmark it. - #75 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-07 03:53 PM
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"Dems will lose big in November. Bookmark my prediction. - #37 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-07 01:27 PM
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"The only place Dem's won't be massacred in Nov is the goofy coast cesspools littered with human feces and syringes." - #21 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-15 02:50 PM
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"Actual people running for Congress are focusing not on Trump, but on local issues and the top national issue, healthcare" #25 | POSTED BY CORKY
LOL. You're obviously out of synch with the candidates, Dumbo. The November Massacre Cometh. - #26 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-15 07:32 PM
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"It may take the November Mid-Term Massacre of Dem's ... to spawn a liberal revolt" - #285 | Posted by SheepleSchism at 2018-09-17 05:40 PM
...you'd be a coward, too.

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-14 08:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 6

Hans's post was a real kick.

Gal set me straight on some of the numbers. Those numbers do vary election cycle to election cycle. There have been years when my numbers were valid. The larger point, that there is a huge population that knows no one in DC from either party cares about them, still stands.

#20 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-14 09:41 PM | Reply

#19, I know, Hans, the Schiz whiff-o-rama was epic. But Nobia's POS Ter?

Honestly, I had no idea. I could see it though.

#21 | Posted by cbob at 2019-01-14 09:50 PM | Reply

Americans are tired of a government that does nothing for them and caters to the 1%. An authentic left-wing candidate like Bernie could do very well in a nationwide election, but the level of disinformation and red-baiting that would come from the right could very well be enough to sway every simpleton into voting against their own interest.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-14 09:50 PM | Reply

...the level of disinformation and red-baiting that would come from the right could very well be enough to sway every simpleton into voting against their own interest.

Bernie is lucky he never had to endure the smear campaign that was waiting for him.

#23 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-01-14 09:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The larger point, that there is a huge population that knows no one in DC from either party cares about them, still stands."

Just say "tens of millions" next time. That's still a lot of disenfranchised people.

#24 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 10:09 PM | Reply

Bernie is lucky he never had to endure the smear campaign that was waiting for him.

Bernie would have done well in a national election.

It's not like the GOP didn't smear Hillary.

What's the worst that could have happened? Trump would have won the presidency?

#25 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-14 10:27 PM | Reply

It's not like the GOP didn't smear Hillary.

But they never touched Bernie, so he can still walk the streets in daylight.

I'd like to see the Photoshop layouts they had ready... Bernie with Stalin's 'stache. Castro with Bernie's crazy hair. Bernie with Bernie's crazy hair. Mao with Bernie's crazy hair. Bernie with Kim Jong Un's crazy hair. Bernie with Castro's beard. Must be quite a collection.

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-01-14 10:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Bernie is lucky he never had to endure the smear campaign that was waiting for him.

Republicans call every Democrat nominee a socialist commie. Might as well get the real thing.

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-14 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 I'm pretty sure they would have tried to go after Bernie's health just like they did Hillary's, but Trump called him Commie Bernie and Crazy Bernie so that's probably where they would have aimed their fire power.

#28 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 10:59 PM | Reply

Might as well get the real thing.

Assuming you don't want to get elected. donald would have gone that route if he knew what was going to happen to him.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-01-14 11:32 PM | Reply

Assuming you don't want to get elected. donald would have gone that route if he knew what was going to happen to him.

#29 | Posted by REDIAL

Well we know NOT going that route won't get you elected. Want to do it again?

#30 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-15 11:30 AM | Reply

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." Winston Churchill.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." CS Lewis.
"The more you do for some, the less they do for themselves" "If you give a check to an individual every week to help them out for a couple of months, then stop delivering checks, they will come to you and ask where THEIR money is". Redneck wisdom.

#31 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-15 09:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." Winston Churchill.

Well, except for that whole National Health Service thing...

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-15 10:11 PM | Reply

Well, except for that whole National Health Service thing...
#32 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

As long as it lasts .... you know ... using other peoples money.

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-15 10:24 PM | Reply

"As long as it lasts .... you know ... using other peoples money."

Insurance is by definition using other people's money, Andrea, a mattress.
Don't you know the basics of how finance works???
You've really squandered your inheritance, haven't you?

Point is, they're using less of other people's money than our health care system does.
Not that you're capable of acknowledging that.
You merely know I'm right, and then you shut up, which is the way it should be.

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-15 10:27 PM | Reply

#34 | Posted by snoofy, I invite you to use the public health system in any European country. Little hint, don't get any cancer, get too old or have a heart condition.

#35 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-15 11:12 PM | Reply

The statistics don't support your fear-based argument, Docnjo.

#36 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-15 11:26 PM | Reply

#36 | Posted by snoofy If your contention was the quality of care was an issue, no one would be traveling thousands of miles from other continents to get care here on their own dime.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-16 12:02 AM | Reply

Come on bro.

You might as well say since Americans engage in medical tourism, they clearly think they can get what they need for less overseas.

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-16 12:31 AM | Reply

You're also glossing over the fact that while the Shah of Iran, remember him, can check into Cedars Sinai medical center,

You and I can't afford that,

So what good is it to either of us, Docnjo?

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-16 12:33 AM | Reply

#38 | Posted by snoofy The prime reason for that is cost, but while you may want to get a breast enhancement in Mexico, I doubt that you would want your heart surgery there.

#40 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-16 09:31 AM | Reply

"I invite you to use the public health system in any European country"

My mother had her hysterectomy in Switzerland back in 2011. She is both a US and Swiss citizen.

"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." -Winston Churchill. "

"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." -Winston Churchill

#41 | Posted by nerfherder at 2019-01-16 09:53 AM | Reply

"I invite you to use the public health system in any European country."

In general, they cover more of their populace, with less of their GNP, and deliver better measurable results.

What's your next curse? The perfect surf-and-turf dinner?

#42 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-16 09:57 AM | Reply

"In general, they cover more of their populace, with less of their GNP, and deliver better measurable results."

"Deliver better results is incredibly subjective. By all measures, they only provide better results when it comes to preventative care and common ailments. Which comprise a very large percentage of healthcare. So the numbers are very easy to skew, which Liberals love in this case. But there are results that are far outshined by privatized healthcare. So, why ignore them when trying to make a point? Also, in the EU countries I've been to which has only been 4 now, they pay 60% at least out of their paychecks for everything they get. And this comes from actually asking store clerks and other customer interfacing positions, not relying on numbers created by a government and reported by a biased media.

#43 | Posted by humtake at 2019-01-16 12:26 PM | Reply

"...they pay 60% at least out of their paychecks for everything they get." - #43 | Posted by humtake at 2019-01-16 12:26 PM

Fiscal responsibility.

Something those on the right here in the USA could use more of.

#44 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-16 12:29 PM | Reply

""...they pay 60% at least out of their paychecks for everything they get." - #43"

What's everything?
Does that include like rent and stuff?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-16 04:09 PM | Reply

#41 | Posted by nerfherder, Indians are rather rude in some spheres, especially in Britain which are actually rather reserved, until they get drunk. Culture and chronological context is important, as your quote illustrates. The Brits actually believed that they had something of value to teach the world while exploring a third of the planet. They raped Africa of treasure and conquered the natives but they ended the slave trade and most of the tribal wars. Even arrogant racist accomplish some good things. Of course they thought themselves vitreous. In a century your beliefs will also be ridiculed by those who have no understanding. Racial equality was not a cause de jour in the 20s ad 30s. Racism in today's context was almost universal, even with heroes of the left.

#46 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-17 03:38 AM | Reply

#45 | Posted by snoofy, Rent in Europe usually runs about 30% of your income. The apartments are quite small.

#47 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-17 03:42 AM | Reply

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