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Sunday, January 13, 2019

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said Friday that she is running for president. "I have decided to run and will be making a formal announcement within the next week," she said during an interview on CNN's "The Van Jones Show." Gabbard, a 37-year old combat veteran, has done little to hide her presidential ambitions. She recently made stops in both Iowa and New Hampshire and looked into hiring digital staff and speechwriters. She has also authored a memoir set to be released in May.

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Already rattling the Democrat Elite....

Gabbard-Hirono clash shocks Hawaii

"Over the past two years, the Senator has been attacked by right wing ideologues for her examination of Donald Trump's ideologically-driven nominees to the courts. It is unfortunate that Congresswoman Gabbard based her misguided opinion on the far-right wing manipulation of these straightforward questions," Will Dempster, Hirono's spokesman, said in a statement.
thehill.com

#1 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-12 11:18 AM | Reply

I'll take the combat veteran over the man-hating Hirono any day.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-12 11:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Angry Staffer @AngrierWHStaff

The right is all-in on the Tulsi Gabbard running for POTUS thing. Wonder why that is?
9:13 PM - 11 Jan 2019

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 11:42 AM | Reply

I've been floating Gabbard on here for a while now. We shall see what happens.

Combat vet, left congress to serve again, left DNC leadership over her support of Bernie. What's not to like.

#4 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-01-12 12:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Wannabe hindoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...... which means she believes in the Caste System (you can't be Hindu and not uphold the racist Caste System).

Will be more loyal to India than to America.

But hey, when we can elect Trump we should find doing dumb things easy by now.

#5 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2019-01-12 12:30 PM | Reply

I've always found her interesting, but if Bernie runs maybe she could be a possible VP?

If we're going for combat vets on the DNC, i would like to see Tammy Duckworth roll into the presidential campaign.

#6 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-12 06:08 PM | Reply

"If we're going for combat vets on the DNC, i would like to see Tammy Duckworth roll into the presidential campaign."

Me too.

#7 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 06:23 PM | Reply

Don't know much about Duckworth but a quick read of her Wiki I could see myself being on board with her but would have to learn more before voting. Although if it was Duckworth v. Trump I would go in blind on Duckworth.

#8 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-01-13 06:30 AM | Reply

Of all possible Democratic presidential candidates, Gabbard is the most outspoken opponent of US foreign wars.
The Democrat permanent-war crowd fears her. Everything else is distraction.

Really incredible the lack of support she gets from those blaming "US Policies" in Honduras and around the globe.

#9 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-13 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- The Democrat permanent-war crowd

Is minuscule compared to the rwing Neo-Con war crowd. You are quite the joke, Mackris.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-13 03:45 PM | Reply

She seems like a good candidate. I want to hear what she has to say.

#11 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-13 06:17 PM | Reply

I'd have preferred to see he run alongside Bernie. That said, the democratic primary circus is going to have a huge roster.

#12 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-13 07:40 PM | Reply

Bernie is just a spoiler. I don't expect any serious candidate to get within 100 yards of that old bat.

#13 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-13 08:36 PM | Reply

Bernie is in better mental and physical condition than Trump. But I do think his opportunity denied in 2016 was his one and only chance.

#14 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-13 08:48 PM | Reply

The CNN claws come out already...

Tulsi Gabbard once touted working for anti-gay group that backed conversion therapy
amp.cnn.com

#15 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-14 12:16 AM | Reply

An Anti-War Democrat. Sorry lady, Trump killed that for you.

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-14 08:36 AM | Reply

She seems like a moderate and reasonable Democrat. She's kind of a rare breed in the Democratic Party today. There is no way the base would ever support her, in spite of her minority status and gender. She's too reasonable.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-14 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"She's too reasonable."

Meanwhile, Republicans chose Trump based on least reasonable.

#18 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-14 10:34 AM | Reply

Meanwhile Julian Castro, the only Hispanic in the race, is completely ignored.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 10:38 AM | Reply

What does Trump and the GOP have to do with this thread, Danforth?

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-14 11:28 AM | Reply

Forgive me: I thought you were looking to diss on a party that passed on reasonable candidates.

#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-14 11:34 AM | Reply

#21 it remains to be seen whether or not the Democratic Party disses Gabbard.

2020 is a long way away. My take is based upon the Democrat's base's love affair with far-left candidates and pols.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-14 11:42 AM | Reply

It is OK to sometimes be critical of the Democratic Party without deflecting to the GOP.

Just sayin'.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-14 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Normally someone like Gabbard's about-face on social issues would give me pause about her as a candidate.

But then i remember that we literally have the worst possible person for President right now and realize that if people decide they like Gabbard, then so do i.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-14 11:55 AM | Reply

Joe her father is anti-gay marriage her stance against it dates back to her being 17-21 years old. Childhood conditioning is tough to shake off. I know from personal experience. I didn't even start questioning my parents stances on social issues till 19 and I took almost 10 years to evolve to where I am now.

The fact that she evolved at all from that kind of background speaks volumes to her character. I know plenty of my old high school buddies who still stand by the moral stances of their parents, and not a one of them is dumb so it's not just an intelligence thing but a willingness to evaluate preconceived ideas.

#25 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-01-14 12:05 PM | Reply

Tao, I agree with you it is not a disqualifier. I have certainly had my own ideological evolution over time (though not on social issues). That said, it can and will be used against her, and obviously if the goal is to beat Trump it is to find the candidate with the least number of warts possible. That's all i'm saying.

#26 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-14 12:15 PM | Reply

I've been floating Gabbard on here for a while now.

As have I, she is smarter than most people in Congress and comes from a strong moderate political family with tons of connections not only in HI but throughout the West Coast. If she gets enough money behind her she will give Wokamala a run for her money as the female frontrunner for the Dems.

Joe her father is anti-gay marriage her stance against it dates back to her being 17-21 years old.

Her father was a Republican until he won his first race for Hawaii State Senate, and like lots of Republicans in Democratic dominated states, switched so that he could maintain his seat. He still is very economically and socially conservative, but is very liberal when it comes to the environment and schools.

Childhood conditioning is tough to shake off. I know from personal experience. The fact that she evolved at all from that kind of background speaks volumes to her character.

This could be a "be careful what you wish for" moment for the Dems, since both Tulsi and her father are far more conservative than the label would ordinarily dictate. My guess is that if the family was in a flyover state, they would both be members of the GOP...however, in HI, like California, Republicans are in a distinct minority so if you want to get elected, you have to register as a Democrat. Most of her stands (except as to the environment and foreign wars) are to the right of her party, so it will be interesting to see how far left she shifts in an attempt to secure the nomination.

Wokamala has to be hating this announcement as Tulsi will steal a lot of her thunder.

#27 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 12:38 PM | Reply

--Wokamala has to be hating this announcement as Tulsi will steal a lot of her thunder.

And The Woken One doesn't have a surfboard...or a skateboard. She's toast.

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 12:51 PM | Reply

Most of her stands (except as to the environment and foreign wars) are to the right of her party

Really? I haven't seen a stance of hers that i'd consider to the right of most Dems other than perhaps military funding. Can you provide any examples?

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-14 12:59 PM | Reply

Let's stay away from people who hire people with ties to Russia, and in particular to Veselnitskaya, okay?:

Tulsi Gabbard Hires Russian Agent to Keep Hawaii Media in Check

But Gabbard's consultant, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Square Group, is no ordinary Russian agent. Cooper is allegedly one of seven identified as being at the center of illegal Russian lobbying efforts reaching into the Trump campaign and Congress.
www.hawaiifreepress.com

Chris Cooper of the Potomac Group, was hired to organize the Washington, D.C.-based premiere of a fake documentary about Sergei Magnitsky and @Billbrowder.

As part of Veselnitskaya's lobbying, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, Chris Cooper of the Potomac Group, was hired to organize the Washington, D.C.-based premiere of a fake documentary about Sergei Magnitsky and myself. This was one the best examples of Putin's propaganda.
www.theatlantic.com

H. Through their involvement in the Film's screening and promotion in Washington DC, both Chris Cooper and Rinat Akhmetshin acted in violation of the LDA and FARA.

i. Neither Chris Cooper nor Rinat Akhmetshin filed LDA registrations in respect of this event.
a. When Chris Cooper was asked by a reporter who was paying his company he refused to answer the question.

ii. The screening of the film is linked to the interests of the Russian Government and also Prevezon (see Section III.4), and is an attempt by the lobbyists to influence public opinion and policy issues by the control/direction/influence of the Russian Government, and therefore FARA filings are required. Neither individual filed registrations under FARA.
www.grassley.senate.gov

#30 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 01:04 PM | Reply

"Let's stay away from people who hire people with ties to Russia, and in particular to Veselnitskaya, okay?:"

Well, Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin:

Rinat Akhmetshin is a Russian-American lobbyist and former Soviet counterintelligence officer. He came to American media spotlight in July 2017 as a registered lobbyist for an organisation run by Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya, who, along with him, had a meeting with Donald Trump's election campaign officials in June 2016.

en.wikipedia.org

#31 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 01:12 PM | Reply

Bernie is just a spoiler.
#13 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER

Yeah, he almost spoiled the DNC's attempt at subverting a democratic election. It must hurt to hate trump so much yet be cursed with the same mental capacity as his supporters.

#32 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 01:16 PM | Reply

"It is OK to sometimes be critical of the Democratic Party"
#23 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

"No it isn't!!!" -- Brucebanner

#33 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 01:17 PM | Reply

Let's stay away from the Coopers and the Simpsons; the Manforts, Podestas, Craigs and Webers. And even though I've always thought he was a good guy, I hope Bernie doesn't use Tad Devine in such a high level role this next time around. My 2 cents. YMMV.

#34 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 01:58 PM | Reply

"Meanwhile Julian Castro, the only Hispanic in the race, is completely ignored."

I've been thinking about that too and wondering why that is.

#35 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 02:03 PM | Reply

"She seems like a moderate and reasonable Democrat. She's kind of a rare breed in the Democratic Party today. There is no way the base would ever support her, in spite of her minority status and gender. She's too reasonable."

She was a big Bernie supporter, which is why I am surprised she is running if he is. Anyway, his supporters are giving her a thumbs up:

Many Bernie Supporters Excited She's Running for President
heavy.com

and she's picked up one of his former aides:

Rania Batrice , who was a deputy campaign manager for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and is now a top aide to Gabbard, will be her campaign manager, CNN reported.
www.dnaindia.com

Maybe she's hoping for a Bernie/Tulsi ticket in 2020.

#36 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 02:12 PM | Reply

She is definitely an intriguing pol:

Trey Gowdy, the South Carolina Republican, is one of her closest friends in Congress. He first spied her on the House floor, sitting on the Republican side of the aisle. "This sounds terrible to say, but it's also true -- you know, she's cute," he says. "So if you're sitting on that side, and it's a boring speech, you're going to notice." The night after Gabbard was elected, Rachel Maddow made a prediction on MSNBC: "She is on the fast track to being very famous."

www.newyorker.com

#37 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 03:04 PM | Reply

#37 Poor Trey Gowdy. I actually feel bad for him. He so resembles that banjo-playing inbred from Deliverance, that he'll never stand a chance with AOC or any decent woman.

#38 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 03:18 PM | Reply

he'll never stand a chance with AOC or any decent woman.

LOL

"Gowdy is married to Terri (née Dillard) Gowdy, a former Miss Spartanburg and 2nd runner up for Miss South Carolina. The couple has two children, Watson and Abigail. Terri Dillard Gowdy is a Teacher's Aide in the Spartanburg School District."

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 03:34 PM | Reply

Much of Gabbard's elevated stature is due to her endorsement of Bernie Sanders at the end of February 2016, a seemingly principled, politically risky stand that led her to resign as vice chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

But that wasn't all. Before stepping down, Gabbard earned the ire of Democratic insiders when she called for more than the paltry six debates the party had scheduled under Hillary Clinton ally Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. At the Democratic National Convention, she was reportedly swamped with attention from other state delegates. "They like Tulsi because she stood up to the Democratic Party establishment," said one.

Yet the starry-eyed anointment of Gabbard has obscured the more unsavory aspects of her politics -- so unsavory, in fact, that White House adviser Steve Bannon has reportedly spoken well of her. From her vigorous opposition to the Iran nuclear deal to her obsession with "radical Islam" to her love for the far-right Indian leader Narendra Modi, Gabbard is far from the progressive hero many assume her to be.

She quietly supported the tax cuts (while admittedly arguing they should be linked to spending cuts or not passed), telling the Honolulu Advertiser in 2017 that "they ultimately will be good for Hawaii."

Her state Democratic Party LGBT caucus, openly distrusts her, and backed her Democratic primary opponent in 2016. When questioned why the LGBT caucus, which had actually supported her three years earlier, had turned against her, the chairman cited two things. One was her less-than-stellar answers to a questionnaire the LGBT Caucus had sent. The other was a 2015 interview with Ozy, in which she confirmed that her personal views on gay marriage and abortion hadn't changed, just her view on whether the government should enforce its vision of morality.

[There is an] impression that Gabbard, unlike much of the Democratic Party, is antiwar. She's not.

Gabbard's objections to US wars spring not from a concern for those parts of the world the US military bombs and invades, but exclusively from a concern about the Americans who fight them.

Gabbard's almost singular focus on the damage these wars inflict domestically, and her comparative lack of focus on the carnage they wreak in the countries under attack, is troubling.

Not surprisingly, Gabbard has received plaudits from conservatives for her foreign policy stances. The National Review published a glowing profile of the congresswoman in April 2015, complete with a quote from American Enterprise Institute (AEI) president Arthur Brooks saying that he "like[s] her thinking a lot."

Another reason Gabbard started receiving applause from the Right was her very public skepticism of the Iran deal.

So what is the cause of terrorism, according to Gabbard? Islam, of course.

Before she became a progressive darling for endorsing Sanders, Gabbard became a conservative darling for relentlessly hawking the idea -- later popularized by Trump -- that Obama's foreign policy was failing because he refused to use the term "Islamic extremism," or some variation of it.

Tulsi Gabbard is not your friend

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When I want an objective political analysis of who is the US Democrat's friend, I know I always consult the socialists at Jacobin Mag, and a New Zealander whenever possible.

I know RoCheney does the same.

#41 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 04:25 PM | Reply

How about them Dallas Cowgirls, eh?

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 04:29 PM | Reply

"Gabbard earned the ire of Democratic insiders when she called for more than the paltry six debates the party had scheduled"

Six debates isn't enough???

#43 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-14 04:32 PM | Reply

2nd runner up for Miss South Carolina.
#39 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Oh so its his sister? I figured as much.

#44 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 04:32 PM | Reply

Six debates isn't enough???
#43 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

That's 5 too many for Mrs. Clinton.

#45 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 04:33 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If those marxist halfwits at Jacobin hate her, it means she would be a strong nominee.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 04:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41

The butthurt in Dorkus of Naples is strong today.

#47 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If those marxist halfwits at Jacobin hate her, it means she would be a strong nominee.

#46 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-14 04:35 PM

Which was pretty much my point.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:37 PM | Reply

This bit (from the NYer article I posted) sums up how I feel about her at this point, but that's what the primary process is for:

Earlier this year, a handful of impassioned progressives gathered in downtown Honolulu for an event known as Resist Trump Tuesday, in which they visited their senators and Congress members -- all Democrats -- and urged them to fight harder. They got a friendly reception at the office of Senator Brian Schatz, and one participant presented some red flowers at the office of Senator Mazie Hirono, who has been battling kidney cancer. But at Gabbard's office the staffer who met them was warier: he read a list of her recent legislative positions, including her support for a fifteen-dollar minimum wage, then listened politely as they expressed their concerns. (They wanted a more vigorous congressional investigation into Russian collusion with Trump's campaign, legalization of sex work, action on climate change, funding for the arts.) As they spilled back out into the hallway, they were, for the first time all afternoon, expressing ambivalence.

"Tulsi is great," one man said. "She's really good on the positions."

"Most of them," a woman replied. "She's a riddle to me."

#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 04:38 PM | Reply

Actually, Joe had asked for conservative positions in #29, which is why I posted those excerpts, but many of those stances are why I think she would be a great candidate for the Dems in that she would appeal to the voters in the Middle of the USA that Hillary ignored.

#50 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:40 PM | Reply

How about them Dallas Cowgirls, eh?

#42 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Unnecessary deflection and unsportsmanlike delay of thread. Where's the penalty, RCade?

#51 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 04:40 PM | Reply

#40 Two big red flags to me:

Yet the starry-eyed anointment of Gabbard has obscured the more unsavory aspects of her politics -- so unsavory, in fact, that White House adviser Steve Bannon has reportedly spoken well of her. From her vigorous opposition to the Iran nuclear deal to her obsession with "radical Islam" to her love for the far-right Indian leader Narendra Modi, Gabbard is far from the progressive hero many assume her to be.

She quietly supported the tax cuts (while admittedly arguing they should be linked to spending cuts or not passed), telling the Honolulu Advertiser in 2017 that "they ultimately will be good for Hawaii."

#52 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 04:41 PM | Reply

#46 and 48

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum ride again!

#53 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-14 04:43 PM | Reply

Unnecessary deflection and unsportsmanlike delay of thread. Where's the penalty, RCade?

If you are on the DR Left, you get to post an extra thread per day, which is why Dorkus gets so many. If you are on the DR Right, it depends on what the deflection is, but exile is always a possibility.

#54 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:43 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Another red flag:

"Before she became a progressive darling for endorsing Sanders, Gabbard became a conservative darling for relentlessly hawking the idea -- later popularized by Trump -- that Obama's foreign policy was failing because he refused to use the term "Islamic extremism," or some variation of it."

#55 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 04:43 PM | Reply

#52

I figured those would stand out, I also thought her admission in 2015 that her stance on gay marriage hadn't really changed would be used against her in the primaries.

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:45 PM | Reply

"If you are on the DR Left, you get to post an extra thread per day, which is why Dorkus gets so many."

I'm not sure, but I think you get extra threads when one (or more) of your threads are moved to the Breaking News page.

#57 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 04:45 PM | Reply

(They wanted a more vigorous congressional investigation into Russian collusion with Trump's campaign, legalization of sex work, action on climate change, funding for the arts.)

lol. None of which on voters' top 10 list as judged by surveys and exit polls. But if Dems want to be the party of legalized prostitution, carbon taxes and subsidizing self-described "artists," go for it.

#58 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 04:46 PM | Reply

If you are on the DR Right, it depends on what the deflection is, but exile is always a possibility.

#54 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER AT 2019-01-14 04:43 PM | FLAG:

Just listen to this loser whine.

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-14 04:47 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#55

I think privately a lot of Dems on the Hill were troubled by this, but didn't have the balls that Tulsi did in publicly stating it.

#60 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:47 PM | Reply

#57

That was my understanding as well, I just wanted to poke AAH.

#61 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 04:49 PM | Reply

#60

Ah the proud old conservative delusion that, all evidence to the contrary, most people share the same bigoted and/or misinformed opinions and irrational anxieties as they do,

#62 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-14 04:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#55 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

We should address their use of phony religion to terrorize a populace without wrongly lumping their actions into Islam. We should call it what it is; right wing religious extremism.

#63 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 04:58 PM | Reply

#63

Honest question: Are you saying that the terrorists are using religion as a phony pretext for their extremism or that Islam is "phony"?

#64 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 05:05 PM | Reply

#63 Agreed.

#65 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-14 05:05 PM | Reply

- The butthurt

The lack of any argument at all is typical from the Pres of Lawyers Sans Arguments.

= How about them Dallas Cowgirls, eh?

#42 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN
Unnecessary deflection and unsportsmanlike delay of thread. Where's the penalty, RCade?

#51 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Hilarious. Bill O'Lielly spent his first dozen years here castigating anything NFL, now he's a fan.

But one of my New Year's Resolutions was to save all the eye bleed from his absurd postage and Killfile him and all his Trump Troll Tripe, which I did over a week ago.

Now I only see it if I don't log in or if someone else re-posts it... usually to ridicule the ridiculous.

It's like wiping the dog doody offa your shoes.... or closing the car window when you pass a dead skunk.


#66 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 06:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Honest question: Are you saying that the terrorists are using religion as a phony pretext for their extremism or that Islam is "phony"?

#64 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Phony pretext.

#67 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 06:17 PM | Reply

- But one of my New Year's Resolutions was to save all the eye bleed from his absurd postage and Killfile him and all his Trump Troll Tripe, which I did over a week ago.

Thanks, Corky! I asked you to do that years ago and am happy you finally have seen the awesome goodness of killfiles.

#68 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 06:23 PM | Reply

#67

That's what I thought, thanks.

#69 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 06:45 PM | Reply

I'll take the combat veteran over the man-hating Hirono any day.
#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Poor incellous nulli is personally offended when any man is criticized anywhere.

#70 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 06:52 PM | Reply

#63

The problem is that the Koran (much like the Bible did for each of the Crusades) gives plenty of pretext for the extremists to try to exert power and the common folk are pretty much powerless to resist. Since the extremism is under the pretext of Islam, it is denial in its highest form to call it anything other than Islamic Extremism, which was Tulsi's point.

Extremism comes under many ideologies, refusing to call the Crusades Christian Extremism would be just as stupid as refusing to call ISIS Islamic Extremism.

#71 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 06:52 PM | Reply

#71

That's why religions that take the texts literally are god awful. Look passed all the superstition, magic, and fearmongering, and most religious texts teach the same parables about how to live together in a community.

Anyone that thinks Jesus literally fed thousands with one fish, Muhammad literally split the moon, Moses literally split the red sea, or Joseph Smith wasn't just trying to find an excuse for polygamy is simply insane.

#72 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 06:59 PM | Reply

Crusades, really?

Any reason you couldn't use a contemporary example?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-14 06:59 PM | Reply

#71

Also, regarding the violence and stuff in the Bible/Koran; they're all derivatives of the same origin stories; like the Epic of Gilgamesh. But each has been translated and modified for malicious gain so much over millenniums that even if any of them actually were the literal word of God originally, they sure aren't anymore.

That's why I laugh at anyone that claims to be a biblical literalist. You can't be a pedantic literalist while also referring to a King James translation.

#74 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-14 07:04 PM | Reply

#73

Because they were/are both attempting to establish an empire under their strained reading of their respective religious tomes.

#74

Agreed in your first paragraph, but I didn't realize you were a Marianne Moore devotee.

#75 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 07:16 PM | Reply

"Because they were/are both attempting to establish an empire under their strained reading of their respective religious tomes."

Do Eretz Yisrael next!
Do Eretz Yisrael next!

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-14 07:19 PM | Reply

#76

Why, you just did.

#77 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-14 07:22 PM | Reply

What's funny is what a cheap shot fartist Dullsville is.

I mean, he knows less about NFL football than he does politics, which is staggering, yet he takes any opportunity to take the cheap shot on a completely unrelated thread.

In the last 6 years, no Wild Card weekend team has made it to the Conference playoffs... including the Rams. That's what, 0-48... but,when he never has time for an argument when any poster here calls him on his Trump Tripe, he opts for the cheap shot given the slightest chance.

Really, everyone should see the awesome goodness of the Killfiles and stop feeding the worst kind of trolls.

I haven't used them on even slightly lucid rwingers like RoCheney or even on anti-lucid ones like Mackris, but Null Set has no socially redeeming qualities like actually believing what he says at least half the time, being able to defend his claims, EVER, or, as with Mackris, at least having some small modicum of comic relief value.

#78 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 07:35 PM | Reply

"The problem is that the Koran (much like the Bible did for each of the Crusades) gives plenty of pretext for the extremists to try to exert power"

This might be true of any strong belief.

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-14 07:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#78

Talk about butthurt. I mocked Alabama and Kudzu took it in stride. If the Rams lose someone will do the same and I will shrug it off. Someone takes sports much too seriously.

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 07:42 PM | Reply

- I mocked

That's about all you do here. I guess all that time you spent on vacation really go to you.

#81 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 07:45 PM | Reply

So much for plonking me.

*shrug*

#82 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-14 07:48 PM | Reply

btw, when you wanted me to killfile you before, I said I would if you would. You wouldn't, rather you took the opportunity to still post to me unrebutted... you know, the only way you can really get by here other than just making stupid claims and running away, your current MO.

SO, why not killfile me, too? Or is the only way you can post without people pointing and laughing is when they can't read you.

#83 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 07:50 PM | Reply

#82

What part of, "Now I only see it if I don't log in or if someone else re-posts it" still goes over your head after all these years?

All of it, apparently.

#84 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 07:52 PM | Reply

So much for plonking me.

*shrug*

#82 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-14 07:48 PM | FLAG:

One sympathizes.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-14 07:53 PM | Reply

I'll take the combat veteran over the man-hating Hirono any day.
#2 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

I'll take the combat veteran as well over HellHoleHillary.

You gotta love people that vote for accomplices to rape, murder and child endangerment; this is all on Dirks authority I might add.

Then claim Trump is a liar about who is funding the wall, seriously you can't buy this kinda comedy

hattip/ Dirk.

#86 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-14 08:00 PM | Reply

#86

- as with Mackris, at least having some small modicum of comic relief value.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-14 08:44 PM | Reply

CFAPtards like Podesta and Tanden hate her, so you know she's a great candidate with a real chance to win.

#88 | Posted by Ben_Berkkake at 2019-01-15 10:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You gotta love people that vote for accomplices to rape, murder and child endangerment; this is all on Dirks authority I might add."

Citation needed, you lying parasite.

#89 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-15 11:17 AM | Reply

"She seems like a moderate and reasonable Democrat. She's kind of a rare breed in the Democratic Party today. There is no way the base would ever support her, in spite of her minority status and gender. She's too reasonable."

She would be a badass first female president, if we're aiming to break glass ceilings in 2020. Same with Duckworth who has been in the senate for a few terms. Can't beat someone who has been there and done that on deployments when talking about foreign policy.

#90 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-15 01:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So long as nobody named Hillary or Bernie are in the mix, this should be a great cycle for the Dems.

#91 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-01-15 03:27 PM | Reply

...aaaaaaand no one cared.

#92 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-01-15 03:35 PM | Reply

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