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Here's the backstory:

Top Bernie Sanders 2016 adviser accused of forcibly kissing subordinate

www.politico.com

From the article:

"Top advisers to Sanders have taken steps to address the complaints about the 2016 campaign. They're working to set up a meeting between Sanders and the signees of the letter alleging harassment on the campaign."

I recommended earlier that Bernie do this and still think he should.

#1 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-10 10:28 PM | Reply

There's more to this Bernie Bro thing than I had figured.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 10:32 PM | Reply

#3 Yeah, I started suspecting there was when I discovered an earlier letter sent to the Sander's team about sexual harassment during the campaign and signed by about 20 people, including Nina Turner and Susan Sarandon. Those two are such fierce Bernie loyalists there is no way either one of them would have gone out of their way to complain unless they thought there had been a real problem they couldn't ignore.

#3 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-10 10:40 PM | Reply

So... this Sanders adviser should run for Pres on the GOP ticket. He's already qualified.

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 11:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I was willing to be suspect there may be something to this when I saw more than two dozen people on the campaign had signed the letter.

#5 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 01:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I was willing to be suspect there may be something to this when I saw more than two dozen people on the campaign had signed the letter."

You mean you didn't think the DNC and/or the hateful MSM was behind it all?!?

#6 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 01:21 PM | Reply

Liberals, per usual, see a problem and try to fix it. Good on him.

#7 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Sanders campaign gets no credit for addressing the harassment at this point.

To give them any credit is on par with congratulating somebody who pulls his car out of a ditch after driving it into said ditch while drunk.

And those who denied anything wrong transpired have not been forgotten.

www.drudge.com

#8 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 02:22 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"Liberals, per usual, see a problem and try to fix it. Good on him."

Good for him, and I applaud their idea to set up a third party hotline to field complaints. I think he's got at least one more step to take for his own good as well as any future campaigns. Unless he wants more stories like this to drip out, he needs to meet with the whistleblowers. Or if he is too busy, maybe Jane could meet with them:

Revolusha @revolusha

To @SenSanders @BernieSanders, any meetings on this topic done in good faith need to include the female whistleblowers who came forward about this from the beginning. We're waiting for your call with data, suggestions, critiques, and reforms to create a safe, respectful workplace
9:13 PM - 10 Jan 2019

Also, I went to back to the link Tor posted and realize I need to make a correction. I wrote:

"I started suspecting there was when I discovered an earlier letter sent to the Sander's team about sexual harassment during the campaign and signed by about 20 people, including Nina Turner and Susan Sarandon."

I relooked at the list of names, and it was actually over 40 Bernie staffers and surogates who had signed it.

#9 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 02:48 PM | Reply

Good job Bernie.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-11 03:42 PM | Reply

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize."

Bernie is a class act.

Thank you Bernie for your dedication to helping Americans.

May the nation wake up and realize the truth of your words before the Trumpublicans destroy our country.

#11 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 03:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The Sanders campaign gets no credit for addressing the harassment
#8 | POSTED BY TOR

Damned if Bernie does, damned if Bernie don't!

You're exactly the reason businesses allow cultures of sexual harassment to grow. Transparency and correction are absolutely proper. It takes a special kind of moron to condemn an organization that that's actively addressing malice by one of its members. Your naive outrage is exactly why other organizations do everything they can to hide sexual misconduct.

#12 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-11 04:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Sanders campaign could have done far more far sooner.

#13 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 04:54 PM | Reply

Bernie hasn't handled this perfectly, and people shouldn't pretend he has. As I understand it, the reason the accusations of sexual harassment during his campaign have come to light at this time is because Bernie and Jane invited one of the harassers, Arturo Carmona, to a Sanders Institute event in December 2018 after having received this letter from over 40 staffers and surrogates, including Turner and Sarandon, in April 2017:

Help End the Cycle of Sexism  --  Withdraw Your Endorsement of Arturo Carmona

Dear Progressive leaders,

As former staff and surrogates of the Bernie Sanders for President campaign, we feel it is our duty to continue fighting for the revolution as loudly and as often as possible. That includes working for what we believe is right and just, even when it's difficult and even when it comes to dealing with our friends and fellow activists.

Both as organizations and individuals, you have long been allies in the fight for our progressive values. Additionally, so many of you have stood up for women at every turn  --  pay equity, choice, and so much more. As an unabashed partner in this fight and in light of the number of women who have taken the brave step to speak up and speak out against the horrendous treatment they suffered at the hands of Arturo Carmona, including this courageous account, we are asking that you immediately withdraw your endorsement of Carmona for California's 34thCongressional district.

We understand that organizations do not always have information and background on every aspect of a candidate, but we do also ask that future endorsements include a more rigorous vetting process, including conversations with a diverse set of colleagues. At a time when the revolution needs its strongest leaders at the forefront, we hope allies will always consider a candidates' personal and professional reputations as important as their positioning on issues.

Thank you for your continued partnership, and we hope you will take this step to ensure the cycle of sexism and harassment is finally stopped.

In solidarity,


You can go here to read the list of names:

extranewsfeed.com

#14 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 05:12 PM | Reply

#14 IOW, there is a reason Bernie has given the apologies he has, but it is to his credit that he has given them.

#15 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 05:17 PM | Reply

And, yes, before anyone chimes in, others including Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris have made similar mistakes when handling sexual harassers who worked for them.

#16 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 05:22 PM | Reply

"having received this letter from over 40 staffers and surrogates"

So until dozens and dozens of people said it was happening the victims were ignored?

That's nothing to be proud of.

#17 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 05:23 PM | Reply

Bernie hasn't handled this perfectly,

Bernie isn't perfect?

Well, thank God Trump is president.

#18 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 05:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize."
-Bernie Sanders

Good guy Bernie, apologizing for something he had absolutely nothing to do with.

Quite petty of Tor and Gal to hold Bernie responsible for anything.

Hillary lost the general election.

But that wasn't Bernie's fault either.

Time to get on with your lives.

#19 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 05:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Good guy Bernie, apologizing for something he had absolutely nothing to do with."

He was the boss. The buck stops with him.

#20 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

He was the boss. The buck stops with him.

You clearly don't understand how sexual harassment works or how it gets dealt with.

If I sexually harass someone, my boss doesn't apologize.

Any inquiry gets taken, there has to be conditions met to qualify as sexual harassment.

In the real world, when sexual harassment is reported, you don't just arrest the accused.

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:02 PM | Reply

"If I sexually harass someone, my boss doesn't apologize."

Your boss should.

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:05 PM | Reply

Your boss should.

"Should" is far from, "He was the boss. The buck stops with him."

Funny. You got nothing but pettiness.

Bernie is an exemplary human being.

It would be great for more people to be like him.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sanders wanted to run a country.

But couldn't even manage to run a campaign where women were able to report harassment and sexual violence.

#24 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

""Should" is far from, "He was the boss. The buck stops with him.""

No, it really isn't. It happened on his watch. Full stop.

"Funny. You got nothing but pettiness."

Holding people to account is petty?

#25 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Holding people to account is petty?

You're not holding anyone accountable.

You haven't once mentioned Robert Becker's name.

You know. They guy who actually did the sexual harassing.

Actually, I bet you didn't know who Robert Becker was. Looking on Google, most the articles on the topic don't list Robert's name. You want to know why? This is a smear job, its slander.

It's the best the DNC can do to get Bernie out of the 2020 election. Because they know, either they support Bernie, or he can run third party and take a ton of voters with him.

Carry on with your feigned outrage. Make sure to change your depends.

#26 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But couldn't even manage to run a campaign where women were able to report harassment and sexual violence.
#24 | POSTED BY TOR

Neither could Hillary.

What's your point?

Pretty clear you don't have one.

#27 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Neither could Hillary."

Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout her, huh?

#28 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:26 PM | Reply

You haven't once mentioned Robert Becker's name.
#26 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

Whatabout Hillary? Whatabout her, huh?
#28 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Good Grief.

#29 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:28 PM | Reply

"You're not holding anyone accountable."

Sure I am. Specifically, the head of the organization.

"This is a smear job, its slander."

Don't want your candidate to take responsibility, huh? How sad.

#30 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:28 PM | Reply

Good Grief.

#29 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 06:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You're a deflecting man, Charlie Clown.

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You're a deflecting man,

Says the guy who doesn't ever hold the sexual harasser, Robert Becker, responsible.

Tell me Dirk, are you always an advocate of slander?

I guess when you got nothing, lie.

#32 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:45 PM | Reply

"Says the guy who doesn't ever hold the sexual harasser, Robert Becker, responsible."

Sure I do. I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it, for not better protecting his employees. Why don't you?

"Tell me Dirk, are you always an advocate of slander?"

Holding people to account is slander?

"I guess when you got nothing, lie."

Like when you lied about my not holding Becker responsible?

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:48 PM | Reply

Clownshack and IndyJones have it right, most everyone else in this thread has it wrong ...

And I'm pretty sure me and Clownshack disagree about Hillary, but that's all beside the point, which is okay.

And look who's the most popular Senator ... www.drudge.com ... and this comes with Bernie being the most popular politician in America ... www.vice.com

Most importantly ...

Despite data to the contrary, the media continues to distort Sanders' politics and the diversity of his supporters
www.commondreams.org

A recent CNN poll shows that among potential Democratic candidates in Iowa caucuses Senator Bernie Sanders has the highest approval rating from people of color.

And the diversity of the Sanders-inspired left was on display at the Sanders Institute Gathering in Burlington Vermont earlier this month, which I covered on my podcast, The Katie Halper Show.

But empirical evidence has not stopped much of the corporate press -- including many "liberal" or "progressive" outlets and commentators -- from condemning the senator as having "a race problem."

Most politicians could "do better," when it comes to addressing and speaking about racial inequities, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and classism.

The duplicitous Bernie Bro smear

Former executive director of National Nurses United and of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee, Roseann DeMoro does not mince words when describing the dishonesty of the latter group.

"I was just talking to Susan Sarandon," she explains.

"We were all accused of being Bernie Bros. It's to delegitimize us. It's a lie. It's a duplicitous, ugly, malicious, horrendous, calculated lie. It's a calculated lie by the DNC. It's a PR campaign masquerading as politics."


There's a reason why Bernie is popular, though you wouldn't know it according to the political media hacks that bring us the political "news".

#34 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-01-11 06:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Sanders is only still popular with those who don't understand what was happening in his campaign.....and those who voted for Trump.

#35 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 06:53 PM | Reply

Sure I do.

Citation necessary.

I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it,

Liar.

for not better protecting his employees.

Nonsense. Bernie was running for President and had a nationwide campaign, he had no way of monitoring his campaign cross country.

Holding people to account is slander?

No no. Everything you've posted on this thread is slander.

Also, you haven't a clue how sexual harassment laws work. You don't fire someone because someone else accuses them of something.

This is America, innocent until proven guilty.

Like when you lied about my not holding Becker responsible?

You haven't. Provide your post.

#36 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:55 PM | Reply

Sanders is only still popular with those who don't understand what was happening in his campaign....
#35 | POSTED BY TOR

Thanks for adding your two cents, clueless wonder.

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Citation necessary."

Post 33. And your attempt to change the subject is noted.

"Liar."

He was the head of the organization. The buck stops with him.

"Nonsense. Bernie was running for President and had a nationwide campaign, he had no way of monitoring his campaign cross country."

Pathetic excuses. Trump will use the same ones about Russia collusion and you will scream like a banshee.

"No no. Everything you've posted on this thread is slander."

Nonsense.

"This is America, innocent until proven guilty."

Or in this case, ignored altogether because hay, he was busy or something, and why are we bringing this up?

"You haven't. Provide your post."

Post 33. And your attempt to change the subject is noted.

#38 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:02 PM | Reply

Clown is one angry Bernie Bro!

#39 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:04 PM | Reply

#34

What has that to do with anything?

#40 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:04 PM | Reply

Sanders is only still popular with those who don't understand what was happening in his campaign...

#35 | POSTED BY TOR

What's happening in his campaign?

Like the CNN Poll showing Bernie has the highest approval rating from people of color?

Looks like Bernie and is message are doing pretty good.

#41 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-01-11 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"You haven't. Provide your post."
Post 33.

That's not you holding anyone responsible.

If anything, post #33 is you doubling down on slandering Bernie.

You got nothing but lies.

Dirk, you're a left wing version of Boaz. You're proud of your ignorance and your stubborn mindedness.

This entire thread you've provided nothing but trolling and slander.

What a waste of time you are.

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:06 PM | Reply

"That's not you holding anyone responsible."

You asked in the post prior whether I hold him responsible. I explained that I do.

"If anything, post #33 is you doubling down on slandering Bernie."

You mean holding him to account for what happened in his organization?

"You got nothing but lies."

Name one.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:09 PM | Reply

Are bernie bros really cool with sexual violence?

If so the GOP is a better fit for them.

#44 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 07:11 PM | Reply

Now, men and women of the jury, I would like to call... Bernie Sanders himself to the stand!

Prattle as much as you like, Clown. Sanders already admitted wrongdoing. He apologized. But you? You still have to fight. Would be female Sanders supporters take note: this is apparently the sort of person in the movement. Disturbing.

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:12 PM | Reply

Are bernie bros really cool with sexual violence?
#44 | POSTED BY TOR

Are Hilbots cool with slanders and lies?

Because, that's all you've got.

Pathetic.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What has that to do with anything?

#40 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

When it comes to the media the negative-Bernie narratives FAR outweigh the positive Bernie-narratives, that's what that means.

Popularity does have it's merits, except in America (gee, I wonder why?).

#47 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-01-11 07:15 PM | Reply

Sanders already admitted wrongdoing.

You've got nothing but lies.

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize."
-Bernie Sanders

The man is a class act.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"slanders and lies?"

Sanders has confirmed his campaign harassed and mistreated women.

#49 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 07:18 PM | Reply

The man is a class act.
#48 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 07:15 PM | FLAG:

And you just can't refrain from tearing him down by saying that his apology is a lie.

#50 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Are bernie bros really cool with sexual violence?

This isn't what is going on here at all... this is transparency and moves to better the movement going forward.

#51 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-11 07:21 PM | Reply

"Sanders is classy for apologizing..."

-Clown

"....but did NOTHING WRONG."

-Also Clown

Women take note...

#52 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:21 PM | Reply

This isn't what is going on here at all... this is transparency and moves to better the movement going forward.

#51 | POSTED BY GONOLES92 AT 2019-01-11 07:21 PM | FLAG:

Really? Clown says it's LIES and SLANDER and HILBOTS.

#53 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:22 PM | Reply

Sanders already admitted wrongdoing.
-Dirk

Nope.

He apologized that women in his campaign were harassed or mistreated.

He didn't admit to any wrongdoing. Because he didn't do anything wrong.

You got nothing but lies.

Lie after lie after lie after lie...

You're obviously an idiot who can't tell the difference between addressing people to console them, and admitting wrongdoing.

So, either keep lying, or being an idiot. It's clearly all you're good at.

By the way, are you ever going to condemn Robert Becker? Or is that passing, "sure I do" all you could pretend to muster?

Pathetic how you ignore the person who actually committed sexual harassment in favor of slandering Bernie.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:29 PM | Reply

And you just can't refrain from tearing him down by saying that his apology is a lie.

#50 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

His apology has to be put in the proper context.

And that context is exactly what Clownshack is repeatedly saying: Bernie Sanders is a class act who doesn't make excuses ... that's why he's the most popular politician in America.

Bernie is a leader, and MORE politicians should follow his example.

#55 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-01-11 07:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Nope.

He apologized that women in his campaign were harassed or mistreated."

That's admitting wrongdoing. It was, after all, his campaign.

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Bernie Sanders is a class act who doesn't make excuses ... "

But his supporters sure do!

Women take note!

#57 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:32 PM | Reply

"By the way, are you ever going to condemn Robert Becker?"

I did. Post 33. Why? Are you disputing his guilt too?

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:34 PM | Reply

Dirk has yet to actually discuss Robert Becker.

He seems confused about what this thread is about. Not that I blame him. He's an idiot.

The article is clearly framing Bernie. As his name is in the headline and summary.

Because this slander movement is the best the democratic party can muster.

Robert Becker forces a kiss on a female staffer.

Dirk posts over a dozen posts about Bernie Sanders.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

But his supporters sure do!

Women take note!

#57 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I voted for Hillary in the general ... in fact, I continually say out loud that Hillary Clinton served the country honorably (which is the truth) ... why can't Hillary supporters say that?

Instead people without the spine to defend Hillary in the manner I do go looking for popular Jewish Democratic-Socialists from Brooklyn to disparage.

#60 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2019-01-11 07:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Dirk has yet to actually discuss Robert Becker."

What's to discuss? Also, nice attempt to change the subject, you dishonest little coward.

"The article is clearly framing Bernie. As his name is in the headline and summary."

Clever... framing him for something he to which he freely confessed! Diabolical!

#61 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Dirk, are you ever going to condemn Robert Becker? Or is that passing, "sure I do" all you could pretend to muster?

Still nothing?

#62 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:43 PM | Reply

#60

I agree. It's shameful how Clown is disparaging Sanders... calling his heartfelt apology a sham! The gall!

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:45 PM | Reply

Still nothing?

#62 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 07:43 PM | FLAG:

Nothing? No. Post 33. Is something more needed?

#64 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:46 PM | Reply

"Dirk has yet to actually discuss Robert Becker."
What's to discuss? Also, nice attempt to change the subject, you dishonest little coward.

Hahahahah!!!

Dirk, you moron!! Thanks for proving my point!!! HAHAHAHAH!

The subject is Robert Becker sexually harassing a female campaign staffer.

You morons are focusing on Bernie because you don't care about Robert Becker sexually harassing a female campaign staffer.

You care about slandering Bernie!

This was the best post of the entire thread!

Thanks Dirk!

You FFFKing idiot!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

So, again, nothing to say about Robert Becker?

How many chances do you need to condemn him?

Apparently you don't care about the sexual harasser, you care about how this affects Bernie.

#65 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is something more needed?
#64 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

No, you've made it quite clear you don't care about the sexual harassment.

Carry on with lying and slandering

#66 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:48 PM | Reply

"The subject is Robert Becker sexually harassing a female campaign staffer."

Nope. The subject is Sanders' apology. Did you not read the article?

#67 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:49 PM | Reply

The subject is Robert Becker sexually harassing a female campaign staffer."
Nope. The subject is Sanders' apology. Did you not read the article?

That's what you want it to be, because you don't care about the actual sexual harassment!

#68 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The only person deflecting for a responsible party here is you, Clown. I've made no defense of the harasser himself.... but you've made nothing but excuses for Sanders, on whose watch the harassment took place.

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize."

-Bernie Sanders

The man is a class act.

He would have made a great president.

#70 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

"That's what you want it to be,"

What's the title of the thread, Clown?

#71 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:52 PM | Reply

What's the title of the article, Clown?

#72 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:52 PM | Reply

I've made no defense of the harasser himself....

No, in fact, you've completely ignored Robert Becker.

Why would that be?

Because your agenda is to slander Bernie.

Dirk, take a break and wipe your face off. It's covered in the excrement you've been spewing.

#73 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the title of the article, Clown?

I believe it's, "Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer, but let's blame Bernie."

#74 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:54 PM | Reply

"No, in fact, you've completely ignored Robert Becker."

You lie. You are awfully desperate to change the subject.

#75 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"This isn't what is going on here at all."

Did the dozens of signers say there was sexual violence?

#76 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-11 07:56 PM | Reply

You lie. You are awfully desperate to change the subject.
#75 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

You saying "Sure I do" isn't a condemnation.

It's you ignoring reality.

#77 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 07:56 PM | Reply

You asked if I condemned him. I responded that I do. Case closed.

#78 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:08 PM | Reply

You asked if I condemned him. I responded that I do. Case closed.
#78 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

How weird you can't actually type out the simple sentence: "I condemn Robert Becker for sexually assaulting a female campaign staffer."

You sure haven't had any problems condemning Bernie for apparently not responding as fast as you wanted him to, or in the manner you would have prefered.

But seriously, that's all you got, a gripe with Bernie for not doing things in the time table you would have liked them to happen in.

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize."
-Bernie Sanders

I'll say it again, the man is a class act.

#79 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 08:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'll say it again, the man is a class act.

#79 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 08:12 PM | FLAG:

Yeah, very big of him to admit his wrongdoing that way. He commits to do better in the future too. A shame you don't take his apology seriously.

#80 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:18 PM | Reply

I believe it's, "Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer, but let's blame Bernie."

#74 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 07:54 PM | FLAG:

False belief IS something of a specialty of yours. You don't even believe your beloved Bernie's own apology!

#81 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:29 PM | Reply

Yeah, very big of him to admit his wrongdoing that way.

See, Dirk, you're a left wing version of Boaz. You're proud of your ignorance and your stubborn mindedness.

Bernie hasn't done anything wrong.

His statement isn't an admission of guilt.

You seem unable to comprehend this.

#82 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 08:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer, but let's blame Bernie."
#74 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 07:54 PM | FLAG:

False belief IS something of a specialty of yours.
#81 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

So, you're denying Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer?

Amazing.

#83 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 08:36 PM | Reply

"Bernie hasn't done anything wrong."

His apology says otherwise.... unless you think he wasnt sincere, that it was a weasely Trump sort of apology. Is that your position?

Or perhaps he routinely apologizes for no reason at all! He sees a fender bender on his morning commute and just shouts "I'm sorry!" out the window as he drives by!

#84 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:38 PM | Reply

"So, you're denying Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer?"

Nope. I am denying that the title of the thread is "Robert Becker sexually harassed a campaign staffer, but let's blame Bernie."

You claimed otherwise. Why?

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:40 PM | Reply

"Quite petty of Tor and Gal to hold Bernie responsible for anything."

Tor and I don't hold Bernie responsible for the same things, so it is dishonest of you to pretend that we do. I hold Bernie responsible for inviting Arturo Carmona to the Sanders Institute event last month after over 40 staffers and surrogates warned him about Carmona in April 2017. I also hold him responsible for not meeting personally with the whistleblowers (or having Jane meet with them) in order to resolves these issues and to put an end to these stories leaking out.

I give Bernie credit for apologizing after each of the stories have come out. I also give him and his team credit for developing new policies and procedures to prevent harassment from happening in the future. Or barring that, to catch the harassment early on and put a stop to it. I really think the 3rd party sponsored hotline, staffed by trained, neutral professionals, is a great idea and something other campaigns should consider emulating.

I said that Bernie didn't handle this perfectly but also acknowledged others haven't either, including Clinton and Harris. Nobody handles this stuff perfectly as the #metoo movement has made clear. None of what I have said amounts to a smear job on Bernie.

#86 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

For some people, any criticism, however mild, however qualified, will be held as a "smear" or "slander."

#87 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Please note I did not start this thread. I did not use the title people are objecting to. Instead in Post #1 I wrote this:

Here's the backstory:
Top Bernie Sanders 2016 adviser accused of forcibly kissing subordinate
www.politico.com
From the article:
"Top advisers to Sanders have taken steps to address the complaints about the 2016 campaign. They're working to set up a meeting between Sanders and the signees of the letter alleging harassment on the campaign."
I recommended earlier that Bernie do this and still think he should.

Oh, look, a specific mention of a "top Bernie Sanders adviser" aka Robert Becker. If I had initiated this thread, I would have used that Politico article or one like this from the WaPo:

Bernie Sanders apologizes, says he didn't know about $30,000 settlement of 2016 campaign staffer accused of sexual harassment

www.washingtonpost.com

#88 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 09:08 PM | Reply

"Bernie hasn't done anything wrong."
His apology says otherwise....
#84 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Okay dumb dumb.

Lets play your game.

What does his apology say to you?

#89 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 10:43 PM | Reply

What does his apology say to you?

#89 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 10:43 PM | REPLY

That he accepts responsibility for what happened on his watch, he's sorry, and he will do better in the future. He then gave examples of some positive changes.

#90 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 10:49 PM | Reply

Tor and I don't hold Bernie responsible for the same things, so it is dishonest of you to pretend that we do.
None of what I have said amounts to a smear job on Bernie.

You're right, Gal.

It's quite clear Tor and Dirk have unfounded anger toward Bernie.

I apologize for lumping you in with them.

#91 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 10:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's quite clear Tor and Dirk have unfounded anger toward Bernie."

Nah. I just hold him to account, as he seems to hold himself.

#92 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 10:51 PM | Reply

"Actually, I bet you didn't know who Robert Becker was. Looking on Google, most the articles on the topic don't list Robert's name. You want to know why? This is a smear job, its slander.

It's the best the DNC can do to get Bernie out of the 2020 election. Because they know, either they support Bernie, or he can run third party and take a ton of voters with him."

PS Becker is named in the Politico article I posted in #1. The article also includes a picture of him.

#93 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 10:57 PM | Reply

#91 TY, CS. I posted #93 before I read your #92. Sorry about that.

#94 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 10:59 PM | Reply

That he accepts responsibility for what happened on his watch,

What's "his watch"?

Are you saying Bernie was supervising the interaction between Robert Becker and the female staffer? Was Bernie their chaperone?

Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?

Seems to me like running for president is a full time, exhausting job.

I doubt Bernie was aware of most these occurrences until after the primaries were over, and he probably didn't hear about some until much later.

It's not his job to apologize to anyone for anything, but he's a great human being and I'm sure his consoling words are genuine.

As Gal has pointed out numerously, his campaign has taken a lot of measures to make sure nothing like what has happened happens again.

#95 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:01 PM | Reply

"Actually, I bet you didn't know who Robert Becker was. Looking on Google, most the articles on the topic don't list Robert's name. You want to know why? This is a smear job, its slander.

It's the best the DNC can do to get Bernie out of the 2020 election. Because they know, either they support Bernie, or he can run third party and take a ton of voters with him."

No, I don't think so based on this:

Friends of Bernie Sanders, the senator's principal campaign committee, said in a statement to POLITICO that "Robert Becker would not be a part of any future campaigns" and said the aide's conduct was "deplorable and fundamentally unacceptable."

"To be clear: no one who committed sexual harassment in 2016 would be back if there were a 2020 campaign," the statement said, POLITICO reported.

www.mychamplainvalley.com

#96 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:01 PM | Reply

"Are you saying Bernie was supervising the interaction between Robert Becker and the female staffer? Was Bernie their chaperone?"

He was their boss. It was his campaign.

"Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?"

Yes. It was his campaign. They worked for him. It was his responsibility to create a safe workplace and he failed. He's apologized for it.

"Seems to me like running for president is a full time, exhausting job."

Excuses.

#97 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:05 PM | Reply

Becker is named in the Politico article I posted in #1. The article also includes a picture of him.

You know, I was actually looking for Arturo Carmona's name before I found out it was Robert Becker.

Seems like there were multiple men who thought having a position of power gave the the right to be sexually aggressive with women.

#98 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:08 PM | Reply

"Are you saying Bernie was supervising the interaction between Robert Becker and the female staffer? Was Bernie their chaperone?"

He was their boss. It was his campaign.

And? You seem to not comprehend the magnitude of campaigning for president. This is a big country and there are thousands and thousands of people working for the campaign.

Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?"

Yes.

This should be easy, provide citation of Bernie stating he was responsible for anyone who was working for him.

Otherwise, it's just more lies from you.

You're not having a good day.

Sad.

#99 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:13 PM | Reply

#99 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

I know we don't see eye to eye on much, but you are kicking his ass ....

Much love for keeping him busy tonite ...

#100 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-11 11:17 PM | Reply

"I doubt Bernie was aware of most these occurrences until after the primaries were over, and he probably didn't hear about some until much later.
It's not his job to apologize to anyone for anything,"

I don't think he did know in anything close to real time.

Here's Bernie's full statement:

twitter.com

He takes full responsibility and says: "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate." In truth, I don't think anybody's standards and safeguards were adequate in any of the 2016 campaigns, presidential or otherwise. This was before the #metoo movement blew the lid off of sexual harassment in the workplace.

#101 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:18 PM | Reply

"And? You seem to not comprehend the magnitude of campaigning for president. This is a big country and there are thousands and thousands of people working for the campaign."

Excuses.

"This should be easy, provide citation of Bernie stating he was responsible for anyone who was working for him."

Don't need one. If you are the head of an organization, you are responsible for creating a safe space for your staff. You don't need to say it. You don't need to put it on paper. It is an understood, accepted responsibility of leadership with appropriate corresponding weight in the law (hence the existence of civil liability for employers who, for instance, create a hostile work environment).

And you know who understands this? Bernie Sanders himself. Which is why he apologized and promised to do better.

The real question, why are you so set on clearning gun of something that he readily admits to?

#102 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:20 PM | Reply

"I know we don't see eye to eye on much, but you are kicking his ass ...."

Now you've got Mackris rooting for you! Are you proud?

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:21 PM | Reply

Hey Clown, what does the apology mean? I asked you before and never got an answer.

#104 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:24 PM | Reply

This should be easy, provide citation of Bernie stating he was responsible for anyone who was working for him."

Don't need one.

CS: Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?

Dirk: Yes.

CS: provide citation

Dirk: Don't need one.

Cool, so you're a liar.

Then we have nothing to talk about. Because who really cares what liars have to say.

#105 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:25 PM | Reply

"Cool, so you're a liar."

Nah. You just have no clue how organizations work (it's okay, you'll make manager of that Dairy Queen some day!)and think your hero is lying through his teeth with a fake apology.

#106 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:29 PM | Reply

"Then we have nothing to talk about."

Yeah, slip out under the backdoor.

#107 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:30 PM | Reply

"You know, I was actually looking for Arturo Carmona's name before I found out it was Robert Becker.
Seems like there were multiple men who thought having a position of power gave the the right to be sexually aggressive with women."

Yes, and I think that's what freaked some of the whistleblowers out when they heard that Carmona was at the Sanders Institute event and that Becker had recently started calling people about working on Bernie's 2020 campaign. Sanders team said Becker wasn't doing that in an official capacity, but the whistleblowers probably didn't know that. All they saw was 2 reported harassers seemingly being welcomed back to Bernie's team, which must have struck them as incomprehensible and a deep betrayal, and so they started trying to get the word out. Hence, the series of recent articles.

#108 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:31 PM | Reply

Hey Clown, what does the apology mean?

You're quite dense.

He's apologizing for what the women had to go through. He wasn't admitting to any wrongdoing.

Do you understand what consoling someone means?

I mean, I guess you can lie and say you do.

Seriously. Who really cares what an admitted liar has to say.

#109 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:32 PM | Reply

"He's apologizing for what the women had to go through. He wasn't admitting to any wrongdoing."

So, you DO think Sanders is a liar! That he is doing one of those weasely little non-apologies like Trump! And THIS is who you chose to support? Oh that is just too good!

#110 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:34 PM | Reply

"He wasn't admitting to any wrongdoing."

Uh huh. "I admit to no wrongdoing! Also, please please please forgive me and I will never let it happen again!"

#111 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:36 PM | Reply

Now you've got Mackris rooting for you! Are you proud?
#103 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN AT 2019-01-11 11:21 PM | FLAG:

Yet, no one is rooting for you.

Sad.

😢

#112 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:36 PM | Reply

When Bernie says, "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate." I think he means as the presidential candidate he was responsible for putting people, policies and procedures in place to protect against harassment.

#113 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Seems like there were multiple men who thought having a position of power gave the the right to be sexually aggressive with women."

People want to act like this is a left or right thing.

It's not.

These guys are everywhere.

#114 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 11:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I admit to no wrongdoing! Also, please please please forgive me and I will never let it happen again!"
#111 | POSTED BY LIAR

So the admitted liar is now making up quotes.

After tonight, you'll probably want to take a break from posting.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:38 PM | Reply

Sad.

😢

#112 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 11:36 PM | FLAG:

I'll bet you are, to have an alt-right troll cheering you on. But then, turns out you are cut from the same cloth after all!

#116 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:38 PM | Reply

When Bernie says, "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate." I think he means as the presidential candidate he was responsible for putting people, policies and procedures in place to protect against harassment.

#113 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-01-11 11:37 PM | FLAG:

I would agree. The apology was just that: a real apology, not a mere expression of consolation. Otherwise why bring up the explicitly corrective actions he brought up?

#117 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:40 PM | Reply

"So the admitted liar is now making up quotes."

Guess they don't teach you paraphrasing at the Dairy Queen, huh?

#118 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:41 PM | Reply

I said "Bernie hasn't handled this perfectly" and outlined two mistakes I think he's made in #86, but I want to be clear about one thing: I don't consider these "mistakes" to be "wrongdoings".

#119 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:44 PM | Reply

"We can't just talk about ending sexism and discrimination. It must be a reality in our daily lives. That was clearly not the case in 2016."

That sounds pretty apologetic to me.

#120 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:45 PM | Reply

I said "Bernie hasn't handled this perfectly" and outlined two mistakes I think he's made in #86, but I want to be clear about one thing: I don't consider these "mistakes" to be "wrongdoings".

#119 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-01-11 11:44 PM | FLAG:

What do you take the difference to be? I am not suggesting he was legally culpable for anything, just that heh had a responsibility as a leader for what happened.

#121 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:46 PM | Reply

When Bernie says, "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate." I think he means as the presidential candidate he was responsible for putting people, policies and procedures in place to protect against harassment.

Based on something you had posted on a different thread, IIRC, Sanders campaign had someone staffers could contact to report sexual harassment, harassment, or abuse. Which many did.

So, safeguards were in place. But even so, you can't be prepared for someone to sexually assault someone else.

Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics are needed in order to place blame on Bernie.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:47 PM | Reply

"Based on something you had posted on a different thread, IIRC, Sanders campaign had someone staffers could contact to report sexual harassment, harassment, or abuse. Which many did.

So, safeguards were in place. "

Oh read the article, you stupid Chimp.

Those safeguards weren't put in place until 2018. The damage was already done. It might have never even come to light if not for the Me Too movement.

#123 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:50 PM | Reply

"People want to act like this is a left or right thing.
It's not.
These guys are everywhere."

Exactly. To be sure, certain organizations may develop a more permissive culture that tolerates harassment (one can imagine Trump's 2016 campaign being this way), but generally speaking, this is not a left or right, rich or poor, Democrat or Republican "thing".

#124 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#124

That's why Sanders' reaction to this is so important.

#125 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:53 PM | Reply

turns out you are cut from the same cloth after all!
#116 | POSTED BY LIAR

What's that you say, liar?

#126 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:53 PM | Reply

What's that you say, liar?

#126 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 11:53 PM | FLAG:

I didn't lie. I proved my point and you responded with this temper tantrum. It's really quite precious.

#127 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:55 PM | Reply

This isn't good, but is a drop in the bucket compared to many heirarchial Male dominated organizations.
The US military is a rapefest, Bernie is just practicing for CiC.

#128 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-11 11:55 PM | Reply

I don't consider these "mistakes" to be "wrongdoings".
#119 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY

To say Sanders made a mistake is to imply if he had done something differently these women wouldn't have been harassed.

Fact is, these men were going to harass these women regardless.

#129 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:56 PM | Reply

I didn't lie.
#127 | POSTED BY LIAR

Says the Liar.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:57 PM | Reply

"Based on something you had posted on a different thread, IIRC, Sanders campaign had someone staffers could contact to report sexual harassment, harassment, or abuse. Which many did.
So, safeguards were in place."

Those safeguards were put in place for his 2018 Senate campaign; they weren't in place for his 2016 presidential campaign.

"What do you take the difference to be? I am not suggesting he was legally culpable for anything, just that heh had a responsibility as a leader for what happened."

The difference for me is intentionality. I assume he thought they had the proper safeguards in place in 2016, only to learn they hadn't. IOW, he/they thought they were doing the right things and weren't being careless or intentionally negligent.

#131 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The US military is a rapefest, Bernie is just practicing for CiC.

#128 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2019-01-11 11:55 PM | FLAG:

The thing is, he apologized, owned his part, and took corrective action. That makes me think he's the guy to fix the military (or someone like him anyway).

#132 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:57 PM | Reply

Those safeguards weren't put in place until 2018.
#123 | POSTED BY LIAR

Hey, Liar, I know you're desperate for attention.

But, you haven't a clue which article Gal posted on which thread.

So, lie some more.

#133 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-11 11:59 PM | Reply

Says the Liar.

#130 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 11:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

The tantrum continues! You aren't a very good loser, are you, ya capering little monkey?

#134 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:59 PM | Reply

#133

Uh oh... no refutation from Clownshart. Unlike you, I read the article in the OP and a few others besides. They talk all about those changes... during the 2018 campaign.

#135 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:01 AM | Reply

Uh oh...

CS: Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?
Dirk: Yes.
CS: provide citation
Dirk: Don't need one.

Uh oh!

#136 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:04 AM | Reply

#136

Quote the rest of it, Chimpy.

#137 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:05 AM | Reply

Poor Clownshart.... looks like you were wrong about those safeguards, huh? I'd ask you to apologize but you apparently don't know what one looks like.

#138 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:06 AM | Reply

ya capering little monkey?
#134 | POSTED BY LIAR

Well, if your lies aren't working, why not throw in some racism.

Good going.

You're on quite the roll.

Want to add in a lynching joke too?

#139 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:06 AM | Reply

#139

Putting on your electronic blackface are you? Spare me.

#140 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:07 AM | Reply

"To say Sanders made a mistake is to imply if he had done something differently these women wouldn't have been harassed.
Fact is, these men were going to harass these women regardless."

Yes, probably, but the goal is to stop the harassment after one or two incidents and to empower early victims to speak out by having a system in place that will be responsive to their stories (and which I might add, will check them out to make sure they are valid). Here's what I posted earlier tonight:

"I also give him and his team credit for developing new policies and procedures to prevent harassment from happening in the future. Or barring that, to catch the harassment early on and put a stop to it."

Sometimes, not usually, knowing they could be reported will be enough to stop someone from acting out. The real goal is to stop repeat offenders more quickly.

#141 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 12:08 AM | Reply

Looks like you were wrong about those safeguards, huh?

Wow, one post, which I stated "If I Remember Correctly".

You're right, I didn't remember correctly.

You better hang your hat on that minor victory as quick as you can.

Meanwhile. 139 posts, and you have yet to prove Bernie did anything wrong.

Pathetic.

#142 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:08 AM | Reply

I'd ask you to apologize but you apparently don't know what one looks like.
#138 | POSTED BY LIAR

You just can't tell the truth if your life depends on it, can you.

You're right, Gal.
It's quite clear Tor and Dirk have unfounded anger toward Bernie.
I apologize for lumping you in with them.
#91 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACKFLAGGED FUNNY BY DIRKSTRUAN

You even took the time to flag it funny.

Un oh...

#143 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:11 AM | Reply

#142

The article and his apology prove it just fine, I think you'll find.

"Wow, one post, which I stated "If I Remember Correctly"."

Looks like you didn't. Do I get an apology? I know JUST where you can find a GREAT example of one.

#144 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:11 AM | Reply

"You just can't tell the truth if your life depends on it, can you."

I've done nothing but.

But then, you think your hero Bernie is a liar too... and you love him for it, you unprincipled little jackass.

#145 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:13 AM | Reply

The article and his apology prove it just fine, I think you'll find.

uhhhh?

What?

#146 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:13 AM | Reply

"To say Sanders made a mistake is to imply if he had done something differently these women wouldn't have been harassed."

I never implied that. The two mistakes I said Bernie has made are: inviting Carmona to the Sanders Institute last month and not speaking personally with the whistleblowers (or having Jane do so). I also said that whatever policies and procedures Bernie had in place in 2016 were likely on par with what most other campaigns had in place.

#147 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 12:15 AM | Reply

you think your hero Bernie is a liar too...

When you got nothing, keep lying.

You know how fun this will be.

To follow you around on all threads pointing out you are a liar.

Everything you post is now suspect.

I apologize to Boaz for comparing him to you. At least Boaz tells the truth. As warped as it is.

You like feigning outrage and then lie lie lie...

#148 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:17 AM | Reply

"We can't just talk about ending sexism and discrimination. It must be a reality in our daily lives. That was clearly not the case in 2016."

Here's that quote again, Clownshart... in case you missed it the first time.

#149 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:17 AM | Reply

"When you got nothing"

Other than Bernie's own words?

#150 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:18 AM | Reply

#109....

You say the apology wasn't an apology.

#151 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:19 AM | Reply

"We can't just talk about ending sexism and discrimination. It must be a reality in our daily lives. That was clearly not the case in 2016."
-Bernie Sanders

Great man that Bernie.

#152 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:20 AM | Reply

"To follow you around on all threads pointing out you are a liar."

Now I see why you are getting so worked up over this: you are pro-harassment.

#153 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:21 AM | Reply

Great man that Bernie.

#152 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 12:20 AM | REPLY | FLAG

What's great about him, Chimpy? Now if that is an apology? If that is him owning his mistakes and promising to do better? Yeah, that's great. But then, that isn't your position. Your position is he is giving these victimized women a little pat on the head, saying "there, there honey" and that's it. No apology. No commitment to growth (because, says you, he has nothing to grow from!).

#154 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:23 AM | Reply

"Our standards and safeguards were inadequate."

Bernie again. How do you explain this one?

#155 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:26 AM | Reply

Other than Bernie's own words?

CS: Did Bernie tell anyone he would be responsible for them?
Dirk: Yes.
CS: provide citation
Dirk: Don't need one.

Yea, we already did this.

You're running around in circles, cause you screwed up.

And what's funny is.

You're entire focus is on Bernie. Not Robert Becker, the guy who forced himself on a woman. Not Arturo Carmona, who fondled another woman.

Nope, you're literally demeaning Bernie, the guy whos trying to make sure nothing like this happens again in the future.

How pathetic you are.

#156 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:27 AM | Reply

you are pro-harassment.

And you are a liar.

#157 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:27 AM | Reply

You say the apology wasn't an apology.

You don't seem to understand. You can apologize to someone for something they had to endure without being responsible for any wrongdoing.

Which, is where you keep screwing yourself.

You seem to think Bernie consoling (look the word up, you don't seem to know what consoling means) these women is an admission of guilt.

#158 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 12:32 AM | Reply

"Yea, we already did this."

Quote the rest, coward.

#159 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:32 AM | Reply

"You don't seem to understand. You can apologize to someone for something they had to endure without being responsible for any wrongdoing."

Yeah, if by apology you mean the weasely evasion of responsibility beloved of Trump and his ilk. Your true colors are showing.

Anyway, it is beside the point because such a move is inconsistent with Bernie's own words: "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate."

#160 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:35 AM | Reply

"You seem to think Bernie consoling (look the word up, you don't seem to know what consoling means) these women is an admission of guilt."

I don't think Bernie is admitting guilt or simply consoling these women. He's taking responsibility for what happened on his campaign, which as a leader you would want him to do, and he is taking actions that he hopes will make his future campaign a better place to work for all his staff and volunteers. Consolation alone would not be enough. These women don't want to be comforted; they want to know changes are being made. I also doubt they want Bernie to say "Mea Culpa! I'm guilty!" But they do want him to take responsibility and kick the harassers out of his campaign. I'd guess they want to be heard and acknowledged and to know that they are believed and that their speaking out will make a difference going forward.

#161 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 12:45 AM | Reply

"He's taking responsibility for what happened on his campaign, which as a leader you would want him to do, and he is taking actions that he hopes will make his future campaign a better place to work for all his staff and volunteers."

Completely agree. And frankly, that's BETTER than mere consolation.

#162 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:47 AM | Reply

"And frankly, that's BETTER than mere consolation."

Absolutely. Consolation without accompanying actions would be meaningless.

#163 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 12:51 AM | Reply

Absolutely. Consolation without accompanying actions would be meaningless.

#163 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-01-12 12:51 AM | FLAG:

And consolation is a lot easier than taking responsibility.

#164 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 12:53 AM | Reply

if by apology you mean the weasely evasion of responsibility beloved of Trump and his ilk.

Trump has apologized about something?

More lies.

Lies upon lies upon lies.

Hey. Have you actually posted a condemnation of Robert Becker yet?

Of course you haven't.

You're too focused on Bernie.

Just as the media and the Democratic Party prefers.

#165 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:15 AM | Reply

"Hey. Have you actually posted a condemnation of Robert Becker yet?"

Post 33, you little weasel, but nice attempt to change the subject.

#166 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:18 AM | Reply

These women don't want to be comforted;

Yea they do.

It's why simply setting up the new measures isn't enough.

#167 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:18 AM | Reply

Post 33, you little weasel, but nice attempt to change the subject.
#166 | POSTED BY LIAR

Really?

Sure I do. I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it, for not better protecting his employees. Why don't you?
#33

What a stellar condemnation.

By the way. How did Bernie let him (you don't even use Becker's name) get away with it?

More slander from the DR's resident liar.

#168 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:23 AM | Reply

They didn't object to the new measures. They objected to seeing Carmona showing up at Bernie's event and Becker calling people about the 2020 campaign. That made them think the new measures weren't worth anything.

#169 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Becker calling people about the 2020 campaign.

Which. Becker had taken upon himself to do.

#170 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:27 AM | Reply

Gal,

Here's my problem with all these slanderous articles.

It leads morons, like the liar, to post things like:

I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it,

According to the liar. Bernie let Becker get away with sexual harassment.

#171 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:33 AM | Reply

"By the way. How did Bernie let him (you don't even use Becker's name) get away with it?"

Let's ask Bernie:
"Our standards and safeguards were inadequate."

#172 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:39 AM | Reply

Food for thought:

I Was Sexually Harassed on Bernie Sanders's 2016 Campaign. I Will Not Be Weaponized or Dismissed.

Last week, my experience, and that of some of my female co-workers, became the focus of a New York Times story on the sexual harassment and sexism that took place in the 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign. I told my story to bring attention to the sexist environment that is unfortunately endemic to most workspaces, including political campaigns. However, I was disheartened to discover that the takeaway by many pundits was not that sexism and harassment is pervasive, but that Sanders was somehow uniquely culpable. I was also struck by some of the messages and tweets calling into question the character of the women who spoke out.

theintercept.com

#173 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:41 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Here's my problem with all these slanderous articles."

The article does little but quote Bernie's own words.

#174 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:42 AM | Reply

More slander from the DR's resident liar.

#168 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 01:23 AM | FLAG:

What was that lie again?

#175 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:45 AM | Reply

#172

Why don't you try answering the question?

Here it is again.

You: I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it,

Me: How did Bernie let him (you don't even use Becker's name) get away with it?

Let's see if you can actually answer a question and not just lie.

#176 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:46 AM | Reply

#173 That would have been the story about Carmona.

#177 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:47 AM | Reply

"Bernie let Becker get away with sexual harassment."

No, of course not. I don't know if there is any truth to this:

Dr Naomi Wolf @naomirwolf

Replying to @BernieSanders
Sexual harassment on the job isn't just ‘mistreatment', ‘sexism' and ‘discrimination.' It is a violation of EEOC law and who is liable? The boss. Also that's the person who is supposed to know EEOC law.
12:05 PM - 10 Jan 2019

If it is true, this law wouldn't just apply to Bernie, but to Trump, Clinton et al.

#178 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:48 AM | Reply

"Why don't you try answering the question?"

Bernie answered for me, clear as crystal.

#179 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:49 AM | Reply

"Our standards and safeguards were inadequate."

#180 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:49 AM | Reply

I Was Sexually Harassed on Bernie Sanders's 2016 Campaign.

Then do something about it. Go to the cops.

Stop crying about Bernie.

#181 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:50 AM | Reply

Look at Clownshart squirm. He just can't get around Bernie's own words.

#182 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:51 AM | Reply

Dirk, did you read the article in #173? I don't agree with everything she says, but she makes a lot of good points. It's definitely worth a read.

#183 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:51 AM | Reply

And the Republicans are rolling on the floor, laughing their asses off.

#184 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-01-12 01:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What was that lie again?
#175 | POSTED BY Alzheimer's victim

Don't worry liar. Your lie as clear as day.

#185 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:52 AM | Reply

"Then do something about it. Go to the cops.

Stop crying about Bernie."

Wow, real compassionate, you misogynistic ass.

#186 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:52 AM | Reply

Don't worry liar. Your lie as clear as day.

#185 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 01:52 AM | REPLY | FLAG

You made it up, Chimpy.

#187 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:53 AM | Reply

'Then do something about it. Go to the cops.
Stop crying about Bernie"

Do the cops handle sexual harassment claims? I know they handle sexual assault claims. Anyway, did you actually read the article? I'd guess not because she doesn't blame Bernie.

#188 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 01:55 AM | Reply

He just can't get around Bernie's own words.

The words I've posted over and over again?

The ones you misconstrue to mean Bernie is admitting to wrongdoing?

Funny stuff Liar.

#189 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 01:56 AM | Reply

Dirk, did you read the article in #173? I don't agree with everything she says, but she makes a lot of good points. It's definitely worth a read.

#183 | POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2019-01-12 01:51 AM | FLAG:

Agreed!

#190 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:57 AM | Reply

Easier said than done for all of us:

"Accusations of sexual misconduct during a political campaign should not be weaponized to serve a political agenda. Nor should claims be ignored to protect a beloved candidate -- doing so only adds to the cycle of shame and punishment that makes sexism so hard to tackle.

Sexism will persist if women are discouraged from openly talking about our experiences. I sincerely hope that neither fear of political exploitation nor personal attacks discourage other women from speaking out against sexism or any abuse they've suffered."

#191 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 02:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

189

I'm not misconstruing anything. In fact, it is your explanation that makes no sense.

Consolation? Then why would he say that he didn't take the right measures? Why take about the measures he went on to take? No, my explanation works and yours doesn't.

#192 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:00 AM | Reply

Clownshart to harassment victims:
"Buzz off and don't bother Bernie!"

#193 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:01 AM | Reply

"Nor should claims be ignored to protect a beloved candidate -- "

I hope you read that, Clownshart. Not that you care what harassment victims says. You tell them shut up and stop bothering Bernie!

#194 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:04 AM | Reply

she doesn't blame Bernie.

No. The media does. And the liar does. Because it's SLANDER.

Every article posted about this story has Bernie's name in bold.

Why?

Because idiots like Dirk get all worked up into a huff and blame Bernie for letting Becker get away with sexual assault. (Forcing a kiss on a woman is assault)

This is a gigantic smear campaign and if you don't think the DNC is funding it you're blind.

Becker and Carmona's names aren't even in most of the articles. But Bernie's is, every time.

Dirk, the liar, is literally holding Bernie responsible for the actions of these men.

#195 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:08 AM | Reply

"No. The media does. And the liar does."

Looks like you are the one lying.

"Dirk, the liar, is literally holding Bernie responsible for the actions of these men."

Citation needed, liar.

#196 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:13 AM | Reply

Poor, stupid Clownshart. Can't understand the difference between holding Bernie responsible for the actions of others and holding him responsible for his own actions (that is, his confessed failure to produce a safe and healthy work environment during the 2016 campaign).

#197 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:15 AM | Reply

"This is a gigantic smear campaign and if you don't think the DNC is funding it you're blind."

Listen to this frothing zealot! Ranting, spiting our half formed conspiracy theories. The desperation is as palpable as it is pathetic.

#198 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:16 AM | Reply

Clownshart to harassment victims:
"Buzz off and don't bother Bernie!"
#193 | POSTED BY LIAR

Citation necessary.

You've lied a few times on this thread.

You've declared victory a few times.

And you got nothing but insults.

You can't explain what Bernie's wrongdoing was.

Some women were sexually harassed during his campaign. He later found out about it. He's taken measures to correct it and make sure when it happens again in the future, because it most likely will, the women can report it and get an immediate response.

What you're upset about is Bernie not having put these safety features in place in 2016.

That's not a wrongdoing.

"To the women on my 2016 campaign who were harassed or mistreated, thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for speaking out. I apologize [you were harassed or mistreated]"

This isn't an admission of guilt for wrongdoings.

#199 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:25 AM | Reply

Dirk, the liar, is literally holding Bernie responsible for the actions of these men."

Citation needed, liar.
#196 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it, for not better protecting his employees. Why don't you?
#33 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

See.

That's how it's done.

#200 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:30 AM | Reply

"Citation necessary."

Post 181, stupid.

"You've lied a few times on this thread."

Citation needed.

"You've declared victory a few times."

Citation needed.

"This isn't an admission of guilt for wrongdoings."

This line is: "Our standards and safeguards were inadequate."

#201 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:31 AM | Reply

#201

I'm glad you responded to the pertinent parts of my post.

#202 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:33 AM | Reply

"I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it, for not better protecting his employees. Why don't you?
#33 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

See.

That's how it's done."

Not really. You see, nowhere in that quote do I hold Bernie responsible for the actions of another... only for his own actions. And his actions? He's admitted to them. So why can't you?

#203 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:34 AM | Reply

"Every article posted about this story has Bernie's name in bold."

And if/when an article comes out about a Clinton/Biden/Rubio/Cruz yadda yadda yadda staffer, one of their names will be in the title and not the staffers, who no one will know.

"Becker and Carmona's names aren't even in most of the articles. But Bernie's is, every time.
Dirk, the liar, is literally holding Bernie responsible for the actions of these men."

In the original articles, which were more general, the staffers weren't named, but in the more recent ones, they have been.

#204 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 02:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"And if/when an article comes out about a Clinton/Biden/Rubio/Cruz yadda yadda yadda staffer, one of their names will be in the title and not the staffers, who no one will know."

So true. But Clownshart thinks it is all one big conspiracy.

#205 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:38 AM | Reply

I just also hold his boss responsible for letting him get away with it, for not better protecting his employees. Why don't you?
#33 | POSTED BY LIAR

... nowhere in that quote do I hold Bernie responsible for the actions of another...
#203 | POSTED BY LIAR

"I [Dirk] just also hold his boss [Bernie Sanders] responsible for letting him [Becker] get away with it [sexual harassment], for not better protecting his employees."

See.

That's how it's done.

Hahahahahah!!!!

#206 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:45 AM | Reply

#206

Swing and a miss again, Clownshart!

Where do I hold Bernie for the conduct of another?

#207 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:47 AM | Reply

And if/when an article comes out about a Clinton/Biden/Rubio/Cruz yadda yadda yadda staffer, one of their names will be in the title and not the staffers, who no one will know.

Yea. It's called politics.

The DNC is slandering Bernie.

Thanks for proving my point.

#208 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:48 AM | Reply

Becker did what he did. I hold him responsible for that.

And Bernie did what he did. And I hold him respond for that.

Do you need a diagram? Drawn in crayon perhaps?

#209 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:49 AM | Reply

Where do I hold Bernie for the conduct of another?
#207 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Ohhh...

I get it now. You're brain damaged.

Poor thing.

#210 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:49 AM | Reply

"The DNC is slandering Bernie."

Prove it.

#211 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Becker did what he did.

What did Becker do?

#212 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:50 AM | Reply

#210

No answer, huh loser? How about that.

#213 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:51 AM | Reply

What did Becker do?

#212 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 02:50 AM | FLAG:

Sexual assault. Wow, you really didn't read the article.

#214 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:52 AM | Reply

Deflect,
Deflect,
Deflect.

Poor Clownshart. Changing the subject from
Bernie yet again.

#215 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:53 AM | Reply

Sexual assault.

Is Bernie responsible for Becker's actions?

#216 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:54 AM | Reply

"The DNC is slandering Bernie."

This is all you care about...this conspiracy theory. Not the victims, that's for sure.

#217 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:56 AM | Reply

Answer the question.

#218 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 02:56 AM | Reply

Is Bernie responsible for Becker's actions?

#216 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 02:54 AM | FLAG:

Never claimed he was, Chimpy.

Bernie was responsible for creating a safe work environment however. And he failed. He's apologized and tried to fix the problem.

#219 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:57 AM | Reply

Answer the question.
#218 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 02:56 AM | FLAG:

Learn to read, moron.

#220 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 02:57 AM | Reply

Bernie was responsible for creating a safe work environment however.

Would a safety network prevent harassment from occurring?

Was there any notion that harassment was permitted?

#221 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 03:03 AM | Reply

"Would a safety network prevent harassment from occurring?"

Very possibly. Bernie seems to think so... since he put new policies in place.

#222 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 03:04 AM | Reply

Very possibly. Bernie seems to think so... since he put new policies in place.

Here's the thing.

I'm pretty sure most people know not to sexually harass,

Some people just go for it.

What Bernie is creating is a faster better response to harassment.

As a result. People may think twice before sexually harassing. Maybe.

#223 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 03:14 AM | Reply

You can't prevent harassment.

You can only have harsher responses to it. To try to dissuade.

2016, while only three years ago, was a different world.

Harassment has never been tolerated. The response has changed.

Bernie has committed to making sure his staff will feel secure in their work.

#224 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 03:28 AM | Reply

"You can't prevent harassment."

Sure you can.

#225 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 03:31 AM | Reply

"Harassment has never been tolerated. The response has changed."

Sure it has. All over the damned place. What do you think Me Too is about?

#226 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 03:32 AM | Reply

Sure you can.

How?

#227 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 03:57 AM | Reply

Harassment has never been tolerated. The response has changed.

Sure it has. All over the damned place. What do you think Me Too is about?

"Harassment has never been tolerated", will be the official statement of any organization, company, group.

That doesn't mean harassment didn't occur.

#metoo started in October 2017 and was a response to women finally stepping forward and speaking out about people who have sexually harassed them.

In response most places are now finally enforcing the policy.

#228 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-12 04:07 AM | Reply

He was the boss. The buck stops with him.

You clearly don't understand how sexual harassment works or how it gets dealt with.
If I sexually harass someone, my boss doesn't apologize.
Any inquiry gets taken, there has to be conditions met to qualify as sexual harassment.
In the real world, when sexual harassment is reported, you don't just arrest the accused.

#21 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-11 06:02 PM | FLAG:

This is the most sensible comment on this thread.

Sexual harassment has to be dealt with by two measures. 1. By the law and 2. By the companies policy, that has to operate within the law.

You won't see me commenting very much on threads about sexual harassment and there's a reason. I was wrongfully accused by a woman who was released from her job because she didn't come to work about 30 percent of the time and didn't have any medical excuses or any other excuse that was plausible. After she was fired, she decided to call the ethics hotline and open 6 different cases against me. Of course they were false and nothing came of it but it took HR the better half of a year to clear me and it didn't stop the gossip going on around the office. Now, add to that, my wife worked in the same building.

#229 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-12 08:37 AM | Reply

The Common Dreams article Pinch cites in #34 was written by Katie Halper:

How Come So Many Bernie Bros Are Women and People of Color?
Despite data to the contrary, the media continues to distort Sanders' politics and the diversity of his supporters
byKatie Halper

Halper, who bills herself as a Feminist "BernieBro," tweeted this about The Intercept article I cited in #173:

Katie Halper @kthalps

Excellent piece by Giulianna Di Lauro Velez at @theintercept. I urge everyone to read & think about it as we engage in the very important discussion abt sexual harassment & sexism. Velez writes, "LAST WEEK, MY experience, & that of some of my female...

#230 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 08:38 AM | Reply

#229 What happened to you is a real concern in any work place and a campaign environment is no exception. The possibility of foul play, i.e., someone from another political campaign embedding themselves and making false accusations, is a real possibility. As I mentioned upthread (#141):

"Yes, probably, but the goal is to stop the harassment after one or two incidents and to empower early victims to speak out by having a system in place that will be responsive to their stories (and which I might add, will check them out to make sure they are valid)."

OTOH, the inclination to bury real claims to protect the candidate in such high stakes political races is also very real. That's why I think Bernie's plan to hire a 3rd party of trained professionals to staff a hotline and, I assume, test the legitimacy of claims without fear or favor is the best way to go.

"All women must be believed" is no better than "all women are liars". Each case must be investigated. When Gillibrand came out against Franken without an investigation, I joined in the discussion on her FB page and pointed out that the precedent she was setting was a bad one, not just in politics but in the larger workday world we all live in. Someone I didn't know thanked me for my comment and said that a woman had once made a false allegation against him and the way he had proven it wasn't true was by divulging he was gay.

#231 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 08:59 AM | Reply

#231

I'm more inclined to listen to those who report to their superiors and follow company protocol rather than just throwing their accusations to the public to decide. Although, it's not cut and dried either way.

Back in my 20s I used to take my children to church. There was a couple who came forward and claimed their little girl had been sexually abused, and it was obvious she had. The girl claimed it was her Sunday school teacher. Even though the sign in sheets clearly proved he was never alone with the children (had to have two adults at all times) she insisted it was him. Throughout the investigation the child was seeing a psychiatrist and what was found was that her uncle had asexually molested her but she was scared of him and feard the worse should she tell on him. So she need to tell on someone she trusted to make the abuse stop.

I saw all that to say this, be careful with finger pointing based on simple accusations without evidence or investigations.

#232 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-12 09:20 AM | Reply

#229 A close friend of mine was once reported for sexual harassment by a co-worker. In a conversation, the woman told him her father had died, and in response he put his hand on her shoulder and told her how sorry he was. His hand on her shoulder was considered unwanted and inappropriate touching by her, and she reported him. He was stunned when his boss called him in because his intention had been to console her and nothing sexual was intended. It was decided that part of the confusion between his intention and her response was due to cultural differences. He is Italian and inclined to be more emotionally expressive; she is Asian and felt being touched like that was threatening and an invasion of her personal space. So, yeah, accusations of sexual harassment need to be investigated on a case by case basis.

#233 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 09:22 AM | Reply

"In a conversation, the woman told him her father had died" I should have said "recently died". IOW, since he had last seen her.

#234 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-12 09:26 AM | Reply

How?

#227 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2019-01-12 03:57 AM | FLAG:

By making it more difficult. Oversight, ease of reporting.

#235 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 01:15 PM | Reply

Pat Benatar--"Stop Using Sex as a Weapon"

#236 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-01-12 05:51 PM | Reply

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