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Thursday, January 10, 2019

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) is questioning how terms such as "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" became offensive in the U.S. "White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization -- how did that language become offensive?" King asked in an interview with The New York Times published on Thursday. "Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?" The comments came as part of an expansive report from the newspaper on King's hardline views on immigration and how they mirror much of what President Trump has pushed for during his presidency.

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""White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization -- how did that language become offensive?"

Just added in Western civilization and pretends the rest of us won't notice. White nationalist, white supremacist are not synonyms for Western Civilization. What a dishonest piece of crap he is.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-10 11:12 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

Just remember Nazi Steve King hates being called a Nazi.

"King also asked why his granddaughter sees undesired content while playing games. "Up on there pops a picture of her grandfather. And I'm not going to say into the record what kind of language was used around that picture of her grandfather, but I'd ask you: how does that show up on a seven-year-old's iPhone, who's playing a kid's game?" he asked, according to The Hill.

Pichai responded that his company does not make iPhones."

This turd is as stupid as can be. What does that say about Iowans?

#2 | Posted by Nixon at 2019-01-10 12:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

His constituents may be dumb enough (what does that mean Steve?) or smart enough to know and play dub. (We getcha Stevie boy; wink wink"), to agree.

#3 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-01-10 12:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#2 "What does that say about Iowans?"

It doesn't say Jack about Iowans.

#4 | Posted by LesWit at 2019-01-10 01:48 PM | Reply

"Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?"

Posted by qcp

Um maybe because the curriculum for those classes was written by white people like you, who happily ignored the suffering and death they had caused?

#5 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 01:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-White nationalist, white supremacist are not synonyms for Western Civilization

They are according to a lot of leftists, SJWs, neo-marxists, etc. These are the people that are trying to purge Western Civ courses from the curriculum.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 01:51 PM | Reply

"How Did 'White Nationalist/Supremacist' Become Offensive?"

Some guy named Adolf did that.

Any questions?

Yes, Nullifidian, please state your question.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 01:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 7

#7

He's busy coddling Steve King.

#8 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 02:20 PM | Reply

Trump and Republicans all upset over the "---------" comment will be condemning this any moment now...

#9 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2019-01-10 02:26 PM | Reply

They are according to a lot of leftists, SJWs, neo-marxists, etc. These are the people that are trying to purge Western Civ courses from the curriculum.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian

There are always stupid people out there doing and saying stupid things.
Take you for example...

#10 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-10 02:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

These are the people that are trying to purge Western Civ courses from the curriculum.

#6 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-10 01:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG

By which you mean they want other cultures and voices represented as well. And that terrifies you (ironic, since you don't event follow a western faith tradition...).

#11 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 02:36 PM | Reply

They are according to a lot of leftists, SJWs, neo-marxists, etc. These are the people that are trying to purge Western Civ courses from the curriculum.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian

Lets see a link proving that leftists are trying to purge western civ from education.

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 02:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- #11 | Posted by DirkStruan

You're the kind of cretin I'm talking about. You would substitute some grievance studies curriculum for Western Civilization requirements. My western civ courses did give attention to other cultures, and that was before leftwing haters like you took over the history departments.

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 02:51 PM | Reply

Nullifidian's comment history is a Ph.D in grievance studies.

#14 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 02:53 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

Do your own research. It's as easy as using google.

www.google.com

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 02:53 PM | Reply

Dirk,

What he means is there is a concerted effort to completely eradicate all Western civ courses from many universities.

#16 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 02:53 PM | Reply

#13

Keep flailing away at that strawman.

Meanwhile, in the real world? Expanding perspectives to include gender, other cultures and traditions, and so on? This makes circula better, not worse.

#17 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 02:55 PM | Reply

Maybe someone can answer this question:

What good is a Western Civ degree?

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 02:56 PM | Reply

Repetition doesn't make the point any less stupid, Jeffylube.

#19 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 02:56 PM | Reply

- completely eradicate

Or drop them from the undergrad required courses list. Western universities ought to teach Western civ. What a concept! If China wants to require Asian Civ courses that's fine by me.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 02:58 PM | Reply

Or drop them from the undergrad required courses list. Western universities ought to teach Western civ. What a concept! If China wants to require Asian Civ courses that's fine by me.

#20 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-10 02:58 PM | FLAG:

Thanks for making your stupid chauvinism obvious.

Meanwhile, in the real world, people benefit from learning about (never entirely) other cultures.

#21 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:00 PM | Reply

I offer a Master level class in Western Civilization, as it turns out!

Here it is:

The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.
-- Samuel P. Huntington

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

So when they stop teaching military history, then they'll really have taken Western Civ out of the curriculum.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:01 PM | Reply

The history of Western Civilization is the history of liberalism and empiricism. Two things Nulli is vehemently opposed to. So why is the troll complaining if professors are no longer teaching it? Sounds like exactly the kind of Liberty University curriculum he'd be in favor of.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-10 03:03 PM | Reply

I'm glad we've shifted from Rep. King's overt racism and gotten down to the real important issue (whether they teach western civ at voluntarily attended universities). Kudos to Nulli for wading through the fluff and getting us down to what really matters.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-10 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 3

- This makes circula better,

Multicultural Maoism doesn't improve the curricula; it's leftwing indoctrination designed to make students hate their own heritage as much as you hate it.

#26 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:05 PM | Reply

"The history of Western Civilization is the history of liberalism and empiricism."

And a boot on the neck of other civilizations.

#27 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:08 PM | Reply

"The rejection of a Bachelor of Arts in Western Civilisation is predicated on the absurd notion that anyone who wants to talk about or study Western Civilisation must be a white supremacist. In some academic circles, Western Civilisation is held responsible for all evils in the world, past, present and future.

Earlier this year, the Dean of Arts at Newcastle University wrote a piece for The Conversation in which she stated that Western Civilisation is past its used by date and that it's too ‘white' to teach in multi-cultural classrooms. The University of Sydney academics leading the charge, claim that the BA will "pedal racism disguised as appreciation for ‘Western Culture.'" At a National Tertiary Education Union forum, former University of Sydney chair, sociologist and gender theorist Raewyn Connell, told her audience that the curriculum "has racism embedded in its agenda."

quillette.com

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:09 PM | Reply

"The history of Western Civilization is the history of liberalism and empiricism."
And a boot on the neck of other civilizations.

#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Which far pre-dates the rise of Western Civilization. I know that fact destroys your heritage-hating narrative. Too bad.

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:10 PM | Reply

"In some academic circles, Western Civilisation is held responsible for all evils in the world, past, present and future."

Yeah that's called the Pottery Barn Rule.

But I guess you must think colonization had only positive impacts on the world.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:12 PM | Reply

Which far pre-dates the rise of Western Civilization. I know that fact destroys your heritage-hating narrative. Too bad.

#29 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-10 03:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Nazi Coddler Jeff is back! Just look at that whataboutism!

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:13 PM | Reply

"Which far pre-dates the rise of Western Civilization."

So?

Bombs pre-dated Oklahoma City, so you're giving Tim McVeigh a pass?

#32 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:13 PM | Reply

"Multicultural Maoism doesn't improve the curricula"

Sure it does. More knowledge is better than less. More perspective is better than less. You are the one arguing for exclusion here.

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:14 PM | Reply

#28 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:09 PM

Someone needs to let nulli know that Newcastle University and University of Sydney are not in the USA.

#34 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-10 03:15 PM | Reply

"the curriculum "has racism embedded in its agenda."

If you look at the history of American representative government, it's pretty hard to miss the racism, sexism, and classism.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:15 PM | Reply

And a boot on the neck of other civilizations.

#27 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Manifest Destiny will do that. Luckily liberalism expands the group over time, so Western Civilization is no longer just the story of white landowners.

#36 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-10 03:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If you look at the history of American representative government, it's pretty hard to miss the racism, sexism, and classism.

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-10 03:15 PM | FLAG:

People missed it for years... centuries even... and very much by design. Jeff and Nulli want us to go back to that.

#37 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:18 PM | Reply

If you look at the history of American representative government, it's pretty hard to miss the racism, sexism, and classism.

#35 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If you look at history prior to American representative government you won't find much in the way of representative government. That won't stop you though from absolutely -------- on this country though. It's one thing to recognize the faults and the warts - and they are legion - but to do so without any historical context is intellectually dishonest.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:18 PM | Reply

--You are the one arguing for exclusion here

Liar. There are tons of non-western courses offered at universities. Degree programs in them. Anyone is free to take any or all of them.

#39 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:18 PM | Reply

Nulli is busy renewing his online subscriptions to Breitbart and the Moonie Times.... but his Steve Bannon screensaver keeps interrupting.

#40 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:19 PM | Reply

But I guess you must think colonization had only positive impacts on the world.

#30 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Who is saying that?

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:20 PM | Reply

"If you look at history prior to American representative government you won't find much in the way of representative government."

Setting aside the problems with veracity im your statement, so what?

I'm talking about Western Civilization.

Why aren't you???

#42 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:21 PM | Reply

Do your own research. It's as easy as using google.

www.google.com

#15 | Posted by nullifidian

The thing about making outrageous claims is it's up to you to prove them.

I'm more interested to see the links to the joke sites where you get your info from.

So please give us the breitbart link that says liberals are trying to eliminate western civ from education.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 03:22 PM | Reply

- The history of Western Civilization is the history of liberalism and empiricism. Two things Nulli is vehemently opposed to.

Yes it is, and the study of it constitutes a classical liberal education, which I'm defending against people who hate it and want to destroy it.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:22 PM | Reply

"Who is saying that?"

People who are bothered that "In some academic circles, Western Civilisation is held responsible for all evils in the world, past, present and future."

That would be Nullifidian, and presumably you too.

People who don't agree with the Pottery Barn Rule, because other civilizations also employ violence to conquer, they're just not as good at it.

Now go get your shine box.

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

quillette.com

More rwing spin from rwing sources posted by the authoritarian white nationalist poster.

Dr Bella d'Abrera is the Director, Foundations of Western Civilisation Program at the Institute of Public Affairs.

The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is a conservative public policy think tank[2][3][4] based in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. It advocates free market economic policies such as privatisation and deregulation of state-owned enterprises, trade liberalisation and deregulated workplaces, climate change scepticism,[5] the abolition of the minimum wage,[6] and the repeal of parts of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975.[7]

en.wikipedia.org

#46 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:24 PM | Reply

Western Civilization is a fuzzy term that could include Democracy (Greece), Languages (there are more than English), Technology (Roman concrete, Read how the Scots invented the Modern World), Arts (painting, sculpture, architecture ), Humanities (Philosophy, Religions,...), Science (Number Theory, Geometry, Biology, Chemistry ... ) Applied Science (Medicine, Manufacturing, Military tech, ...)

A lot was invented by 'westerners', most are accepted and used by 'westerners'. Note: Evolution, spherical Earth that is billions of years old and ACO2 causing global warming is part of Western Civilization.

But, none of it is exclusive to westerners, and most of the people touting it had nothing to do with creating it and are too stupid to understand it, so they go with old white guys that look like me did great stuff a long time ago and that means I am better than brown people.

It is a foundational delusion of white racism.

#47 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-10 03:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

also @

www.sourcewatch.org

#48 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:27 PM | Reply

Lets see a link proving that leftists are trying to purge western civ from education.
#12 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Lectures for one of Reed College's signature learning experiences, a humanities course on the ancient Mediterranean, were canceled after protesters tried to interrupt the class to protest perceived Eurocentrism. What's the future for courses grounded in ancient -- largely Western -- texts?
www.insidehighered.com

The Rise and Fall of the Western Civilization Course
www.jstor.org

#49 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:29 PM | Reply

The Western Culture Debate at Stanford University
www.pbs.org

#50 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:29 PM | Reply

Stanford has no enthusiasm for requiring the study of Western civilization.
docs.google.com

#51 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:30 PM | Reply

You can always count on Corky to slaughter any non-leftist source.

- So please give us the breitbart link that says liberals are trying to eliminate western civ from education.

I don't need breitbart, idiot. Facts are facts.

"Survey courses in "Western Civilization," once a common component of undergraduate curriculums, have almost disappeared as a requirement at many large private research universities and public flagships, according to a study released Wednesday [in May of 2011, but the link seems to be dead] by the National Association of Scholars."

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:31 PM | Reply

Liar. There are tons of non-western courses offered at universities. Degree programs in them. Anyone is free to take any or all of them.

#39 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-10 03:18 PM | FLAG:

But it is the Western ones that are required and you gripe when someone points out the problem with this.

#53 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:31 PM | Reply

Offering Western Civilization Classes Destroys Diversity
www.nas.org

#54 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:31 PM | Reply

There is no such thing as western civilisation
www.theguardian.com

#55 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#50 lmao..... the 1990 debate.

#56 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:33 PM | Reply

ANU stood up for academic freedom in rejecting Western Civilisation degree
theconversation.com

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 03:33 PM | Reply

There is no such thing as western civilisation
www.theguardian.com

#55 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-01-10 03:33 PM | FLAG:

Great article! Why did you post it?

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Cut and Paste Mackris, rides again!

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Cut and Paste Mackris, rides again!

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan

Never seen you criticize Link Lizard Corky. It's all about the ideology.

#60 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:39 PM | Reply

"Stanford has no enthusiasm for requiring the study of Western civilization."

All my studies in my undergraduate major were based on prior work by Newton, Gauss, Fermi, even Einstein.

I studied the ever living ---- out of Western civilization and Western philosophy.

You're just too dumb to see it.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:39 PM | Reply

#55

Recent quote in Oct from the author:

APPIAH: I think they need, I would say - I mean, I should answer your question directly - gingerly, carefully. I think you can easily go wrong here. I mean, one of the things that the president is currently doing is mobilizing identities in a very divisive way. And that leads down a terrible road because once you've created ethnoracial divisions, it takes an awful lot of effort to heal the wounds.

www.npr.org

#62 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:39 PM | Reply

Offering Western Civilization Classes Destroys Diversity
www.nas.org

#54 | Posted by AndreaMackris

You're helping me prove that this "liberals are trying to destroy western civ classes" narritive IS being sold by laughable conservative websites. Did you bother reading any of the other "articles" on that site? They're hilarious.

#63 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 03:40 PM | Reply

Hey look, I can do it too:

www.google.com

Western Civilization seems to be a bit of a homunculus... used for World War I propagandists and adopted by white nationalists...

#64 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:41 PM | Reply

#55 Great article. Basically makes my point in #47.
Claiming ownership of 'Western Civilization' is lame.
There are lots of good bits, but they are not exclusively western and claiming the accomplishments of others based on shared skin color is pathetic racism.

#65 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-10 03:41 PM | Reply

#60

Never criticizes mAndy linkage. It's all about the ideology.

#66 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:41 PM | Reply

People who are bothered that "In some academic circles, Western Civilisation is held responsible for all evils in the world, past, present and future."
That would be Nullifidian, and presumably you too.
People who don't agree with the Pottery Barn Rule, because other civilizations also employ violence to conquer, they're just not as good at it.
Now go get your shine box.

#45 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-10 03:24 PM

That is me - it's absurd to blame Western Civilization for all of the world's ills. In fact, in the history of mankind never before has the world seen this much wealth, this many people in the middle class, an ever-shrinking number of truly poor. Lifespans are longer and medical care is far more sophisticated and effective than at any other point in human history. Almost all of this advancement is due to Western Civilization. But go ahead and keep -------- on it like it's the worst thing in the history of mankind you miserable grump.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Offering Western Civilization Classes Destroys Diversity
www.nas.org

#54 | Posted by AndreaMackris

www.sourcewatch.org

"The National Association of Scholars (NAS) is a non-profit organization in the United States that opposes multiculturalism and affirmative action and seeks to counter what it considers a "liberal bias" in academia.[1]

In 2010 and 2011, its president was espousing climate contrarianism under the group's auspices, with no evident expertise in the climate science field."

In other words, you'll fall for anything.
[2]

#68 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

So if I linked to only rwing spin sources like Dulli does, there would be no problem, right?

#69 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:43 PM | Reply

"Blacks sold other blacks into slavery, so you can't blame Western Civilization for slavery."
--JeffJ

#70 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:43 PM | Reply

"Almost all of this advancement is due to Western Civilization."

Point not proven.

And this "the world is doing great!" spiel of yours ignores the local horrors. The rising tide lifts some... and drowns others.

#71 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:44 PM | Reply

Basically why does it matter where ideas came from. Their value should matter, leave their history to History class.

#72 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-10 03:45 PM | Reply

Point not proven.

Really?

Was representative government a thing before the West took it on?

What about freedom of speech? Prior to the west, was it a thing to be able to relentlessly mock, lambaste and criticize a country's leaders with impunity?

How about industrialization and technology? Almost all of it over the past 3+ centuries has come from the West.

How about freedom to worship as one pleases? Is that more prevalent in the West or do you find that kind of religious tolerance in places like China, or the Middle East?

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:50 PM | Reply

How many rubles does Nulli get for every thread he successfully veers into a ditch?

#74 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-10 03:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Almost all of this advancement is due to Western Civilization."

Lots of delusional and magical thinking to unpack here.

First, one small matter, you're describing sanitation and epidemiology. Not an entire civilization.

Much more insipid is what comes next:
Notice that you don't give poor Africans and Asians any credit for improving their own quality of life.

Instead, you are giving the civilization which conquered them credit for also rebuilding them.

Without ever really commenting on the fact there would be nothing to rebuild if the West hadn't conquered it in the first place. (You know, that whole Pottery Barn Rule thing.)

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:52 PM | Reply

#74

Danni got it right in the first post....

""White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization -- how did that language become offensive?"
Just added in Western civilization and pretends the rest of us won't notice. White nationalist, white supremacist are not synonyms for Western Civilization. What a dishonest piece of crap he is.

#1 | POSTED BY DANNI

Since then it's just been Babbles O'Fidian and his trick goat mAndy taking their talking point from Steve King and running with it.

Like white supremacy is a good thing, and we all ought to know it.

#76 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 03:54 PM | Reply

Core curriculum designed by Dirk. Snoofy, CorknPaste, and Speak.

Marxist studies.
Feminist Studies
Snowflake Studies
Genderless Studies
Intersectionalism
Critical Race Theory
Why White People Suck.

etc.

Oh wait, they already have their ideal curriculum.

From the introductory course, "Sex and Power," to the advanced theoretical courses which include "Whiteness," "Masculinities," "Gender Bending," "Race and Culture," "Feminism and Politics," "'Black Lives Matter," and "Thinking Queerly," CRIS courses are always interdisciplinary, intersectional, and oriented toward social justice. As such, Critical Identity Studies emphasizes the importance of communicating across differences as a means to fulfill the College's mission of empowering students "to lead fulfilling lives marked by high achievement, personal responsibility, and public contribution in a diverse society."

www.beloit.edu

#77 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Blacks sold other blacks into slavery, so you can't blame Western Civilization for slavery."
--JeffJ

#70 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Slavery was around long before Western Civilization. Oh, and which culture is it that all-but eliminated the slave industry? Yeah, that would be the West.

It's a dark stain on this country's history and absolutely warrants horrific criticism. Just don't sit there and pretend it was something that was unique to the West. 5000 years ago the Egyptians had slaves.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:54 PM | Reply

Notice that you don't give poor Africans and Asians any credit for improving their own quality of life.

#75 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-10 03:52 PM |

The hell I don't. In just a few decades S. Korea went from a third world to a first world economy. India has made a lot of progress on its own.

#79 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 03:58 PM | Reply

#78 is exactly what I was saying with #70.

You can't ever face a problem of Western civilization head-on without saying "but.. but.. they did it too!"

#80 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How many rubles does Nulli get for every thread he successfully veers into a ditch?

#74 | Posted by JOE

Enough to pay for my White Russian habit, angry lil' Joe.

#81 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 03:58 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

5000 years ago the Egyptians had slaves.

#78 | Posted by JeffJ

And 50 years ago republicans were still trying to prevent black people from voting.

Did I say 50 years? Sorry I mean 3 months ago.

#82 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-10 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"5000 years ago the Egyptians had slaves"

But not based solely on the color of skin

in the west however, you were a slave if and only because being born black
Just don't sit there and pretend it was something that wasn't unique to the West

#83 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2019-01-10 03:59 PM | Reply

"Slavery was around long before Western Civilization."

Whataboutism at its best.

"Oh, and which culture is it that all-but eliminated the slave industry? Yeah, that would be the West."

After making it much worse, you mean?

#84 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 03:59 PM | Reply

You can't ever face a problem of Western civilization head-on without saying "but.. but.. they did it too!"
#80 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-10 03:58 PM |

It's called historical context. You always act as if the West in general and the US in particular is the worst in human history.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 04:00 PM | Reply

Stalin and Hitler, both Europeans, and they ruled in the Western tradition, correct?

The Communism Mao and Pol Pot learned, a product of Western civilization, correct?

I think we're done here.

#86 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 04:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- CorknPaste

As he pastes a link. You can't make this kind of obliviousness up... and people aren't born with it, they have to werk really, really hard to become so completely unaware.

#87 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 04:00 PM | Reply

The hell I don't. In just a few decades S. Korea went from a third world to a first world economy. India has made a lot of progress on its own.

#79 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-10 03:58 PM | FLAG:

Hey moron, like 6 posts ago you were attributing that to the West.

#88 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:00 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You always act as if the West in general and the US in particular is the worst in human history."

LMFAO.
You never fail to make that claim.
You always end up being stupider than I really want to admit.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 04:02 PM | Reply

- I think we're done here.

Arguing King's red herring of Western Civilization is equivalent to "White nationalist, white supremacist" is a waste of time and just what the Deflectors from the truth about Trump's Base want to happen.

#90 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 04:03 PM | Reply

#77

Again, all that stuff you describe? It represents a broadening of perspectives. You are the one who wants courses limited here, not me.

#91 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:04 PM | Reply

- White Russian

Finally the truth from his lying Trumpian lips.

#92 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-10 04:05 PM | Reply

#88 No, I wasn't. That would be you reading into what isn't there.

Stalin and Hitler, both Europeans, and they ruled in the Western tradition, correct?

Hitler yes. Stalin, no.

The Communism Mao and Pol Pot learned, a product of Western civilization, correct?

#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY AT 2019-01-10 04:00 PM |

Western civilization enabled people like Marx and Engels to produce their nonsense with impunity. Communism has never been enacted in Western Civilization.

As for Hitler, it was Western Allies (plus a tenuous alliance with Russia) that stomped out the Nazi's and Imperial Japan.

Are you going to blame the US for the Greco-Roman wars?

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 04:05 PM | Reply

I think we're done here.
#86 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You are to be certain ...

The hell I don't. In just a few decades S. Korea went from a third world to a first world economy. India has made a lot of progress on its own.
#79 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

All of these economies growth are attributed to Western values of the individual, individual property ownership, and capitalism.

Even China has adopted more Western oriented view with individual property rights. Though not as strong, certainly China saw the way of the West after a huge influx of Chinese students sent the US to study.

All of this due to American hegemony...

#94 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 04:06 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"You always act as if the West in general and the US in particular is the worst in human history."
----
LMFAO.
You never fail to make that claim.

#89 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If that's an inaccurate summation of your views perhaps you should look at how your articulate your views.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 04:07 PM | Reply

"All of these economies growth are attributed to Western values of the individual, individual property ownership, and capitalism.

Even China has adopted more Western oriented view with individual property rights. Though not as strong, certainly China saw the way of the West after a huge influx of Chinese students sent the US to study.

All of this due to American hegemony..."

Self congratulatory alt-right garbage. This is what these idiots want taught in our schools.

#96 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:09 PM | Reply

Poor little Joe and Corky. They wanted another typical partisan beatdown of a politician and the thread exploded into a much broader discussion of Western Civ courses and Western Civilization in general.

#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 04:14 PM | Reply

Poor little Joe and Corky. They wanted another typical partisan beatdown of a politician and the thread exploded into a much broader discussion of Western Civ courses and Western Civilization in general.

#97 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-10 04:14 PM | FLAG:

In which they get to beat down all such regressive alt-rightists! Even better!

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

In which they get to beat down all such regressive alt-rightists! Even better!
#98 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

DominanceDirk, I know, I know, just in your head, you are fighting the "good" fight ...

But thats never how it works out...

#99 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 04:36 PM | Reply

Self congratulatory

Why not? Why doesn't Western Civ deserve some credit for liberating the individual from the tryanny of oppressive governments?

Should we only speak when appropriate? oooh thats scary ....

This is what these idiots want taught in our schools.
#96 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

socialism is what is taught in schools.

Its only through experience and seeing the rest of the world one realizes school is full of BS.

#100 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-10 04:39 PM | Reply

socialism is what is taught in schools.
Its only through experience and seeing the rest of the world one realizes school is full of BS.
#100 | Posted by AndreaMackris

ignoring all the "wrong" in your post, education is NEVER BS. The application of that education can be BS-ex. how YOU live your life, but education i.e. school? Only an ignoramus would think that.

#101 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-10 04:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Why not? Why doesn't Western Civ deserve some credit for liberating the individual from the tryanny of oppressive governments?"

Your sort use this sort of talk as validation for the continued oppression of others. Expect to get called out.

#102 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:50 PM | Reply

"socialism is what is taught in schools."

Wrong again, parasite.

#103 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 04:51 PM | Reply

"If that's an inaccurate summation of your views perhaps you should look at how your articulate your views."

Show me what I said. I'm happy to look.

#104 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 04:51 PM | Reply

"Why not? Why doesn't Western Civ deserve some credit for liberating the individual from the tryanny of oppressive governments?"

Which individual did you have in mind?
Anne Frank?

#105 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 04:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"As for Hitler, it was Western Allies (plus a tenuous alliance with Russia) that stomped out the Nazi's and Imperial Japan."

First and foremost, we need to clear uo that Russia is culturally and philosophically aligned with the West, and with Christianity. At least since Peter the Great.

The Atlantic theater was Westetn Powers vs Western Powers.

The Pacific theater was Western power protege vs Western power protege. When the one western power protege took control of the other Western power protege in the Philippines, one of the Western powers became directly involved.

Same thing in Korea.

Same thing in Vietnam.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 05:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Communism has never been enacted in Western Civilization."

Where was the wall that Mr. Reagan asked Mr. Gorbachev to tear down, you ------- moron?

I only waste my time with you in hopes your kids are reading.

#107 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 05:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"All of these economies growth are attributed to Western values of the individual, individual property ownership, and capitalism."

Which one of those is South Korea protecting their automobile industry by banning the import of Japanese cars?

#108 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 05:17 PM | Reply

Which one is not bothering to build an army to stand up to China since Uncle Sam has your back?

Which one is Japan's Lost Decade?

Which one explains the racism that permeates Asian culture?

Which one exploded at Fukushima?

#109 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 05:25 PM | Reply

Okay here's the point - yes there are some nut jobs out there who think that Western Civilization courses and studies should be banned. Frankly they are stupid. The west should be studied and people should learn from the past. These folks are a small fringe group from everything I just read.

However here we have a not so closeted nazi lumping white nationalist, white supremacist and Western civilization all together as if most of us see the three as synonymous. It just isn't so.

Both extremes are WRONG.

You learn from the past. Those that fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Look up the Rise of the third Reich and read it. If you still don't think nazis are a problem and can't draw parallels to today, I am sorry. And if you don't think Western Civilization should be studied you are simply just plain stoooopid. Go read the book I just listed. Then I can send you to hundreds of others things to learn about. Western Civilization is STILL the dominant force in the world. Sure much of what is published is slanted but if your eyes are open you can certainly see all the sins of the West. It does not make it any less relevant. That does not mean other "civilizations" and cultures are not worth studying.

#110 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-10 05:38 PM | Reply

When exactly did water become wet?

-right wing fish

#111 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-10 05:42 PM | Reply

socialism is what is taught in schools.

#100 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2019-01-10 04:39 PM | REPLY

Schools teach what the school board tells them to. School boards are locally elected. If your local red state school boards demand socialism be taught in the schools you can't blame that on out of state liberals.

#112 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-10 05:46 PM | Reply

All of these economies growth are attributed to Western values of the individual, individual property ownership, and capitalism.

Even China has adopted more Western oriented view with individual property rights. Though not as strong, certainly China saw the way of the West after a huge influx of Chinese students sent the US to study.

All of this due to American hegemony...

#94 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Capitalism or Greed is the driver certainly. But this is what happens when you are not under a totalitarian tyrant in general. China has a problem - too many people not enough work. In order to attract foreign investment they had to enable people to build wealth. China micro controls what people see and read. China keeps a foot on the neck of dissent. China is possibly the biggest human rights abuser in the world. Don't misunderstand China - what the party gives can and will be taken away overnight if the party deems it what they want. Today the party is Xi.

Actually I would love a list of Western Values from any of you. What exactly are "Western Values"?

#113 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-10 05:47 PM | Reply

The Superiority of Western Values in Eight Minutes

By: Ibn Warraq

In a public debate in London against Tariq Ramadan, Ibn Warraq was given eight minutes to argue the superiority of Western values. Here is his defense of the West, which forms the basis for his new book, Why the West is Best: A Muslim Apostate's Defense of Liberal Democracy.

www.westminster-institute.org

#114 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-10 05:54 PM | Reply

How can you people be so calm?

WE are under attack!

It's a National EMRGY people!!!

And all you people do is argue and fight over a Wall.

I have more important things to do right now.

My kids are hungry and the wife needs some medicine.

I need to make some "adjustments".

#115 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-10 05:54 PM | Reply

socialism is what is taught in schools.
#100 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

What schools did you go to?

Mine taught reading, writing and arithmetic. Sciences like biology, chemistry, physiology, and physics. We learned US History and European history. And had Physical Education, aka PE.

Ohhh, I see, PE is like socialism, you have to work with you fellow classmates to play sports.

Damn them sports! Teaching kids to work together to achieve a common goal.

Also, lunch breaks promote socializing, which is a similar word to socialism. Damn you school lunches!!

Everyone should home school their kids and only allow them to attend Sunday school. Wait, isn't religion a form of socialism? I mean, churches depend on their parishioners giving 10% of their weekly income to sustain the church and give to their communities!

Ban religion!! It's socialism!!

#116 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 05:55 PM | Reply

"What exactly are "Western Values"?

I think it's when you believe Western values are superior to other values.

That seems to be the long and the short of it.

And that's not really something that needs to be taught in college. More like, needs to be un-taught in college.

There's a book about this, specifically on Amero-centrism in teaching American history, called "Lies My Teacher Told Me." Hopefully JeffJ has read it.

#117 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 06:04 PM | Reply

Communism has never been enacted in Western Civilization.

Cuba is on the same longitude as the US, so sort of "western".

Jefe is correct if you exclude a bunch of facts.

#118 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-10 06:10 PM | Reply

Communism has never been enacted

Ever.

What communism means is fascism disguised as socialism.

#119 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 06:13 PM | Reply

Maybe he means "real Communism."

Commies always say we've never tried "real Communism."

Just like Capitalists decry our economic paradigm of redistributing wealth upwards as "crony Capitalism," not true Capitalism.

Both are laughably naive.

#120 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 06:13 PM | Reply

Commies always say we've never tried "real Communism."

They're correct.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 06:15 PM | Reply

true Capitalism

Would be short lived as it's simply a race to see who can have it all at the expense of everyone else.

#122 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 06:16 PM | Reply

"They're correct."

Only in some kind of pedantic sense, divorced from political reality.

The USSR and Eastern Bloc were Communist.

Arguing otherwise is like saying the glass isn't empty, but rather full of air!

A distinction without a difference.

#123 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 06:17 PM | Reply

The USSR and Eastern Bloc were Communist.

Really?

So, everyone was working together for the common good?

All resources were distributed evenly amongst all its citizens?

No one was left needing for anything?

You know. Real communism. Not just what you were taught to fear and hate because the USSR was our enemy.

It seems to me the USSR was a totalitarian dictatorship.

#124 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 06:24 PM | Reply

Yep. Bevause what communism means is fascism disguised as socialism.

#125 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 06:26 PM | Reply

The closest thing you'll find to the blah blah blah in #124 is when you join the military. The more Western the military, the better. Beyond that, you could argue a Kibbutz makes a valiant attempt.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 06:28 PM | Reply

The closest thing you'll find to the blah blah blah in #124 is when you join the military.

So then, when you wrote, Commies always say we've never tried "real Communism."

You were indicating you are a commie?

Cause, it took two whole posts for you to admit we've never tried anything close to communism.

#127 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 07:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Not sure what point you think you're making here.

You were right when you said "What communism means is fascism disguised as socialism."

Which also describes the military.

#128 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 07:11 PM | Reply

It's kind of like how the more a country's official name says it's "Democratic," the less democratic it actually is.

And there's no need to clarify whether I'm talking about direct democracy or some orher manner of democracy, such as a democratic republic, because that little detail doesn't change the underlying truth of the statement.

You must be fun at parties!

#129 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 07:14 PM | Reply

Then we agree!

Sometimes it's difficult to simply agree.

Especially when arguing is so much fun.

#130 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 07:14 PM | Reply

You must be fun at parties!

I've been told as much.

#131 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-10 07:15 PM | Reply

The board game "Monopoly" was invented to teach people about what capitalism was actually all about. Regulated Capitalism can be a great method of increasing wealth for a nation, but it needs to be carefully regulated.

#132 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-10 07:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"The board game "Monopoly" was invented to teach people about what capitalism was actually all about."

Yeah there's a lesson lost there.

Game does a good job making its case, but children are not in a position to grasp what it really means that the bank can never run out of money.

Kids generally wouldn't accept the premise that the best way for you to succeed in life is to make everybody else fail. They play the game but don't see the rules writ large the way Samuel P. Huntington did.

#133 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 07:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Enough to pay for my White Russian habit"

Do you make them pee on you like Trump does?

#134 | Posted by RevDarko at 2019-01-10 07:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

Do you make them pee on you like Trump does?

#134 | Posted by RevDarko

I like to make them whores eat a lot of red beets first.

Scares the hell out of the Mexican maids when they come in to clean up the mess after.

Try it! Funny as hell. You should hear them mexican mama-sans jibber jabber and gesticulate wildly like a bunch of --------- in that illegal alien monkey language of theirs..

#135 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-10 07:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"They play the game but don't see the rules writ large the way Samuel P. Huntington did."

I prefer Ewing Kauffman's approach.

When asked how he became a billionaire, he said, It's easy. I just made everyone around me a multi-multi millionaire.

#136 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-10 07:45 PM | Reply

"House Republican leaders on Thursday stepped forward to criticize Rep. Steve King for defending white nationalism, breaking their months-long silence on the Iowa Republican and his history of inflammatory remarks."

www.washingtonpost.com

Wow... and after Babbles O'Fidian and his pet goat mAndrea spent all day answering King's dog whistle and defending white nationalism and white supremacists of being just part of Western Civilization.

And now we learn they are right of House Republicans. Figures.

#137 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-11 12:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Comrade Nulli, comrade Andrea, good job on distracting fro, comrade King asking why "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" are repugnant things.

#138 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-01-11 12:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"#12 | Posted by SpeakSoftly
Do your own research. It's as easy as using google.
www.google.com
#15 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-10 02:53 PM"

If it's your claim; you're required to provide proof when asked.

That said:
Removing a class from being a REQUIRED course is not the same as eliminating it.

#139 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2019-01-11 12:45 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#137 Sucks when you kneejerk out your racism deflections before getting your GOP talking points.

King said what the racists believe and the GOP was smart enough to distance itself from those that say what they think.

#140 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-11 01:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"How Did 'White Nationalist/Supremacist' Become Offensive?"

By the content of their character, and not the color of their skin.

#141 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-11 01:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There isn't much distinction between White Nationalism and what passes for patriotism. The bumper sticker says, "God Bless America", and in really small print, "---- everyone else". For a simpleton like King this can get confusing.

Obviously everyone should study history, and if you have you know calling ours 'Western Civilization' is a bit of a stretch. Ignoring a compass to whitewash the contributions from the East is easy enough. You'll also need to narrow your definition of civilization to order almost exclusively built on war and exploitation and imposed by a theocratic tyranny. Only in the last few decades can we claim to have made any real progress against the "lowly stamp of our origin", and the whole thing seems to be coming apart at the seams before our eyes.

#142 | Posted by BluSky at 2019-01-11 04:22 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

How Did 'White Nationalist/Supremacist' Become Offensive?

oh boy. aaaand it's all downhill from here...

#143 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-01-11 06:03 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

A whole lot of argument here about what they're teaching on college campuses, but not much talk about Steve King's use of "white nationalist" and "white supremacist." If you have to ask why those terms are offensive, you're part of the problem.

#144 | Posted by cbob at 2019-01-11 09:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#6 NULLIFIDIAN - If you ever studied Western Civilization you would know the proper place for synonyms for different examples of racism and "normalized hatred." You might want to take another look at your texts if you haven't thrown them away. Did you blow off reading assignments in college or entire lectures, or what?

#145 | Posted by john47 at 2019-01-11 09:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A whole lot of argument here about what they're teaching on college campuses, but not much talk about Steve King's use of "white nationalist" and "white supremacist." - #144 | Posted by cbob at 2019-01-11 09:06 AM

Not talking about Steve King's use of "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" was the goal here.

Which is why this thread is particularly disheartening albeit very illuminating.

#146 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-11 09:19 AM | Reply

"Comrade Nulli, comrade Andrea, good job on distracting fro, comrade King asking why "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" are repugnant things." - #138 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-01-11 12:30 AM

Which was, of course, their goal.

While they completely ignored the very first comment in this thread:

"Just added in Western civilization and pretends the rest of us won't notice. White nationalist, white supremacist are not synonyms for Western Civilization. What a dishonest piece of crap he is." - #1 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-10 11:12 AM | Newsworthy 6

#147 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-11 09:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Comrade Nulli, comrade Andrea, good job on distracting fro, comrade King asking why "white nationalist" and "white supremacist" are repugnant things." - #138 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-01-11 12:30 AM

Because....It's a White National EMRGY!

All White Nationalists on Deck!

#148 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-11 10:15 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

#138 | Posted by SunTzuMeow at 2019-01-11 12:30 AM

Yeah because "white nationalist" is worse then destroying a country with "US policy"...

Of course you would rather distract from the fact that Hillary and Obama caused Honduras to collapse and create mass migration crisis.

From women getting raped, cops getting killed, children dying trying to leave yet another hell hole Obama and Hillary created.

Then you have the unmitigated gaul, to claim its "US policies" and then you voted for her ....

and on top of all that, claim Trump is the evil one.

Most incredible hypocrisy I have ever read....

Hate to say it but you are EVIL, you and your left brethren that voted for Hillary are the most evil thing to walk the earth, ask any Honduran, Libyan, or Syrian.

I have never been so impressed with cognitive dissonance.

#149 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-11 10:30 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Trump: I may be forced to seal southern border, cut off aid to Central America

Trump also said he would cut off aid to Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador, where violence and crime have motivated thousands of people to flee and seek asylum in the United States.

www.nbcnews.com

#150 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 10:43 AM | Reply

Trump Threatens To Cut Off Aid To Central America If Honduras Doesn't Call Back 'Migrant Caravan'

"Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador were not able to do the job of stopping people from leaving their country and coming illegally to the U.S. We will now begin cutting off, or substantially reducing, the massive foreign aid routinely given to them," he tweeted.

www.dailywire.com

Trump also tweeted:

The United States has strongly informed the President of Honduras that if the large Caravan of people heading to the U.S. is not stopped and brought back to Honduras, no more money or aid will be given to Honduras, effective immediately!

#151 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 10:47 AM | Reply

"From women getting raped, cops getting killed, children dying trying to leave yet another hell hole Obama and Hillary created."

If they were hell holes, they may end up as schitt holes when Trump gets done with them. Same goes for Syria.

#152 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:04 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"I have never been so impressed with cognitive dissonance."

Try looking in the mirror but be careful your head doesn't explode.

#153 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-11 11:05 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

"Of course you would rather distract from the fact that Hillary and Obama caused Honduras to collapse and create mass migration crisis."

So you admit that these people are refugees? Then you acknowledge their legal right to seek asylum on the US! Seems we are making progress after all.

#154 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:07 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

"The United States has strongly informed the President of Honduras that if the large Caravan of people heading to the U.S. is not stopped and brought back to Honduras, no more money or aid will be given to Honduras, effective immediately!"

I understand the idea but, come on, who will suffer from this? You want to increase the refugees heading to American, that's exactly how to do it.

#155 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-11 11:18 AM | Reply

""Of course you would rather distract from the fact that Hillary and Obama caused Honduras to collapse and create mass migration crisis."

That is just a pile of lies. Typically Andrea. If you can't review the REagan and Bush 1 years then don't pretend to understand history.

#156 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-11 11:20 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Republican History of the world:

America had no debt, no poverty and there was world peace. Insuance was free and had no deductibles and everyone was covered. There were no illegal immigrants, gangs, or crime. Then The deep state pizza parlor pedophiles installed Obama as President and the world collapsed. Obama, Pelosi, and George Soros helped Iran destroy Honduras (Iran-Contra was a dream) and paid hordes of lepers, terrorists andrapists to attack America unarmed on foot. Then Trump was elected and with Q is saving us from the evil soshulist libruls with a kenyan worldview.

#157 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-11 12:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's a White Nationalist EMRGY.

I don't think that it can be any clearer.

The White Nationalists are Panicking.

Therefore... It is an EMRGY!!!

so I agree . It is an EMRGY.

And for this EMRGY I am preparing to Make Some Adjustments.

For I am about to Negotiate.

#158 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-11 12:47 PM | Reply

PS

Semper Fi

#159 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-11 12:48 PM | Reply

Why it's offensive?? Here's a great example.

Racist mafia slug Mike Pompeo thinks diplomacy is best served by demeaning a former president who had the audacity to be CIC-while-black in front of the world stage.

This maladministration •••clown demeaned everyone in our ONCE GREAT country by trotting out the h8 that enshrouds all those who follow Trump for all to bear full witness.

Only wearing a peaked hood would have made Pompeo more obvious.

MAGA actually means "Make America WHITE, Again."

#160 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-01-11 01:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hmmmmm, why is White Supremacy evil?

Supremacy: the state or condition of being superior to all others in authority, power, or status.

#161 | Posted by Jasper at 2019-01-11 01:50 PM | Reply

Supremacy: the state or condition of being superior to all others in authority, power, or status.

#161 | POSTED BY JASPER

Yeah.

*Centrist voice*

I'm not real sure why you'd stop being friends with someone just because your favorite color is blue and their favorite color is genocide.

Grow up..

#162 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2019-01-11 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The bottom line is that Steve King's way of thinking is attractive enough not just as a republican but above all other republicans to win statewide election 9 times in a row. The republicans cannot pretend to be offended by his long held and openly expressed racist bigoted white supremacist worldview. They voted for it 9 times over other republicans

#163 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-11 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"These violent delights have violent ends."

William Shakespeare was a Real Genius. A Humanist. He knew humans. But, I bet he wasn't a very stable one.

Most Real Geniuses aren't very stable. Genius and Madness are every much related.

Many of history's most celebrated creative geniuses were mentally ill. But, if you listen closely Trump will tell you exactly how this will end.

History is replete with examples.

#164 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-11 06:15 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"De musica, poeta y loco, todos tenemos un poco."

#165 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 06:18 PM | Reply

Ok we about beat that question to death...

I have a question for the Nazi's.

When did pursuing Social Justice become a bad thing for you people?

#166 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-11 06:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--William Shakespeare was a Real Genius.

Yes he was, and he is being purged as a requirement for english majors by the leftists that have taken over english departments.

That's just another example of the totalitarian "social justice" warriors' hatred of Western Civilization.

www.goacta.org

#167 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-11 06:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

"When did pursuing Social Justice become a bad thing for you people?"

It's always been a moving target.

A few generations ago, it was bad when blacks and whites wanted to get married.

Then it was bad when gays wanted to serve in the military.

Then it was bad when gays wanted to get married.

Then it was bad when transgender people wanted to use the bathroom.

#168 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Yes he was, and he is being purged as a requirement for english majors by the leftists that have taken over english departments.

That's just another example of the totalitarian "social justice" warriors' hatred of Western Civilization."

White supremacist Nulli once again rants and raves against greater choice and diversity in education.

#169 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 06:45 PM | Reply

White supremacist Nulli once again rants and raves against greater choice and diversity in education.

#169 | Posted by DirkStruan

Yeah, because requiring one class in Shakespeare excludes all others. Moron.

#170 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-11 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Yes he was, and he is being purged as a requirement for english majors by the leftists that have taken over english departments.

That's just another example of the totalitarian "social justice" warriors' hatred of Western Civilization.

www.goacta.org

#167 | Posted by nullifidian

Another day, another nulli link that proves how gullible he is.

www.sourcewatch.org

"ACTA is an associate member of the right-wing State Policy Network

SPN is a web of right-wing "think tanks" and tax-exempt organizations in 49 states, Puerto Rico, Washington, D.C., Canada, and the United Kingdom. As of June 2018, SPN's membership totals 156. It is an $83 million right-wing empire as of the 2011 funding documents from SPN itself and each of its state "think tank" members. Although SPN's member organizations claim to be nonpartisan and independent, the Center for Media and Democracy's in-depth investigation, "EXPOSED: The State Policy Network -- The Powerful Right-Wing Network Helping to Hijack State Politics and Government," reveals that SPN and its member think tanks are major drivers of the right-wing, American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)-backed corporate agenda in state houses nationwide, with deep ties to the Koch brothers and the national right-wing network of funders.[3]"

#171 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-11 06:52 PM | Reply

Well, either gullible, or intentionally spreading koch-funded propaganda.

#172 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-11 06:53 PM | Reply

- #171 | Posted by SpeakSoftly

The article was reposted from the Chicago Sun-Times, Corky.

#173 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-11 07:03 PM | Reply

Yeah, because requiring one class in Shakespeare excludes all others.

#170 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-11 06:47 PM | FLAG:

Indeed. That's how required classes work, Einstein: you can't take something else instead. Do you need, like, a diagram or something?

#174 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:07 PM | Reply

"Indeed, only four of 52 universities and liberal-arts colleges"

Do is that down from like 50 when Eisenhower was President or something?

Since you're so sure it's the work of evil SJW's, how many colleges have they flipped?

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 07:09 PM | Reply

UCLA English department eliminates Shakespeare requirement ...
slate.com

Yale students: Shakespeare requirement creates 'hostile' culture for minorities

Is Yale Elite If Its English Majors Don't Read Shakespeare?
thefederalist.com/2017/11/01/yale-really-elite-english-majors-never-read-shakespeare/

Nov 1, 2017 - A year and a half after students charged it's racist to require them to study...

"A year and a half after students charged it's racist to require them to study influential British authors because those authors happen to be white, Yale's English department decided it will no longer require English majors study literary luminaries such as William Shakespeare and John Donne.

Last year, some 160 Yale students signed a petition demanding such curricula changes, based entirely on the color of the authors' skin and content of their ------ rather than the quality of their literary works.

#176 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-11 07:10 PM | Reply

"The four universities that required a course dedicated to Shakespeare were Harvard University, Wellesley College, the U.S. Naval Academy and the University of California-Berkeley."

Isn't Hillary Clinton a Wellesley girl?

#177 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 07:13 PM | Reply

"Is Yale Elite If Its English Majors Don't Read Shakespeare?"

You like elites all of a sudden, Nullifidian?

#178 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 07:16 PM | Reply

The article was reposted from the Chicago Sun-Times, Corky.

#173 | Posted by nullifidian

So why couldnt you link to that instead of the Koch Propaganda Daily?

#179 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-11 07:18 PM | Reply

Last year, some 160 Yale students signed a petition demanding such curricula changes, based entirely on the color of the authors' skin and content of their ------ rather than the quality of their literary works.

#176 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-11 07:10 PM | FLAG:

Translation: they wanted the curricula to be representative rather than biased towards one group. Racist Nulli hates that.

#180 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 07:28 PM | Reply

Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
Thou art lovely and more temperate.
Rough winds may shake the darling buds of May,
And summer's lease hath all too short a date.

Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimmed;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance, or nature's changing course, untrimmed:

But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow'st;
Nor shall Death brag thou wander'st in his shade
When in eternal lines to time thou grow'st:

So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

--Wm Shakespeare, Sonnet 18

#181 | Posted by madscientist at 2019-01-11 07:49 PM | Reply

- --Wm Shakespeare, Sonnet 18

If a student snowflake thinks that creates a "hostile culture," they should find a major that coddles their anti-intellectual philistinism.

#182 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-11 08:05 PM | Reply

If a student snowflake thinks that creates a "hostile culture," they should find a major that coddles their anti-intellectual philistinism.

#182 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-11 08:05 PM | FLAG:

Again, no one wants to ban the Bard. You are the totalitarian who insists a course on him be required to the exclusion of other courses. Come to that, you condemn have the humanities in your regressive rants on this site. So tell me, who is it who opposes academic freedom again?

#183 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:27 PM | Reply

#181

From you, I expected something perhaps more obscure.

#184 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 08:47 PM | Reply

Nulli seems awfully paranoid about what goes on in college. Why not let the free market sort out what kind of schools people want to attend? Clearly the market has spoken, even if your delusions are accurate.

#185 | Posted by JOE at 2019-01-11 08:49 PM | Reply

White Supremacist Rep. Steve King Gets A Primary Challenger

Iowa state Sen. Randy Feenstra announced Wednesday that he will challenge King in the race to represent Iowa's 4th Congressional District in the House of Representatives.

"Today, Iowa's 4th District doesn't have a voice in Washington, because our current representative's caustic nature has left us without a seat at the table," Feenstra said in a statement announcing his candidacy. "We don't need any more sideshows or distractions, we need to start winning for Iowa's families."

Feenstra, a former emergency medical technician, is currently in his third term in the Iowa state Senate, where he serves as assistant majority leader.

www.huffingtonpost.com

As he is right of most Repub leaders who unlike himself have condemned King's remarks, Dulli would prolly have to move to Alabama before he could win a seat.

#186 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-11 09:05 PM | Reply

"If a student snowflake thinks that creates a "hostile culture," they should find a major that coddles their anti-intellectual philistinism."

Or just create one.

You know, like at Yale.

But it's nice to know that if you don't fawn over Shakespeare, you're racist.

#187 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-11 09:09 PM | Reply

#186

Bad news for Jeffy, Dulli, Righto, Trumprat, and the rest of the Kreepy Koddler Krew...

#188 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 09:09 PM | Reply

By killing millions of brown people for no good reason.

#189 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-12 11:00 AM | Reply

I read Samuel Johnson instead of Shakespeare. Johnson would have fit in with the current crop of republicans. There was a class called survey of economic systems that included marxism as one of many touched upon. I dont recall any classes that read marx as a main focus. And our school was often perjoratively called Berkely East by right wingers

#190 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-12 06:49 PM | Reply

- I read Samuel Johnson instead of Shakespeare.

Nothing wrong with that, along with Boswell's Life of Samuel Johnson, a classic in its own right. Of course, those two are dead white males, so probably not taught today.

#191 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-12 06:54 PM | Reply

"so probably not taught today."

Citation needed, Great White Gripe.

#192 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 07:08 PM | Reply

Even King is back peddling hard now.
Reichwingers talk big on the internet, but wet themselves when exposed for what they are.

#193 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-12 08:15 PM | Reply

Sunlight is the best antiseptic.

#194 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-12 08:27 PM | Reply

Dulli sure ran away from this thread quickly.. a pathetic coward, like all his goose-stepping ilk.

#195 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-13 12:43 PM | Reply

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