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For the first time in its history, the American Psychological Association (APA) released guidelines concerning men and boys, saying that so-called "traditional masculinity" not only is "harmful" but also could lead to homophobia and sexual harassment.

"The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity – marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression – is, on the whole, harmful," reads the news release by the famed association.

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God this an awesome article. I blame the estrogen-alikes in our water for people that think like this, which also explains how sperm-count has dropped by half and the acceptance of Cultural Marxism.

#1 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 09:21 AM | Reply

- American Psychological Association (APA)

Another "professional" organization that has been taken over by the "social justice" mob.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 09:26 AM | Reply

"Sixty-five percent of scientists self-identified as liberal or very liberal in a 2009 Pew Research Center poll. Only 9% called themselves conservative, compared to 25% and 37%, respectively, in the general US population. Among US psychologists, the ratio of political liberals to conservatives is 10.5-to-1.

That number has crept up over the last four decades. Graduate students are even more likely to identify as liberal than existing professors, suggesting that the leftward march will continue."

#3 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 09:29 AM | Reply

The issue isn't just they deem it harmful, it's that guidance for teaching material for future pathologist comes from APA.

I thought about posting this, but the subject and it's meaning is beyond most to understand in a thoughtful intelligent manner.

#4 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-09 10:08 AM | Reply

Pathologist lol spell checker...

Psychologist

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-09 10:09 AM | Reply

Me thinks you ------ protesteth way-the-eff too much.

#6 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2019-01-09 10:58 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cultural Marxism.

#1 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2019-01-09 09:21 AM | FLAG:

Neo-Nazi buzzword from the DR's resident alt-right poodle.

#7 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:04 PM | Reply

This is complete and utter nonsense.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-09 12:06 PM | Reply

This is complete and utter nonsense.

#8 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-09 12:06 PM | FLAG:

Where did you get your psychology doctorate again? The same place as Dulli?

#9 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:09 PM | Reply

Wow.... people interested in science and facts have a liberal bent. Amazing how that werks.

Then there's mAndy and Dulli, the Fatman and Bobbin of fact-hating Trump Trolls.

#10 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 12:09 PM | Reply

- Neo-Nazi buzzword from the DR's resident alt-right poodle.

Liar

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 12:10 PM | Reply

--people interested in science and facts have a liberal bent.

lol. Pretentious, self-flattering twaddle.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 12:12 PM | Reply

You think this is actually psychology, Dirk?

#13 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-09 12:12 PM | Reply

Liar

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-09 12:10 PM | FLAG:

Just the sort of non-response I'd expect from an intellectual lightweight like you.

#14 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You think this is actually psychology, Dirk?

#13 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-09 12:12 PM | FLAG:

This isn't some crackpot in a University basement. This is the APA.

#15 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:15 PM | Reply

- This is the APA.

Exactly. An association of leftish quacks.

#16 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 12:17 PM | Reply

Just to show you how out of touch with reality these people are, they responded to the critism and dug the hole deeper..
division51.net

people interested in science and facts have a liberal bent.

So?

Have you seen NassimTaleb's scientific take down of IQ and psychology? Probably not because the math is beyond most. Lets just say he tore a hole in all of psychological theory of the last 50years, it may never recover.

The only psychology technique that survived is CBT.

#17 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-09 12:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

But hey, at least we know we'll always get the hysterical Fox "News" radio personality spin on this story from threads and posts by the usual suspects here.

How about a more objective view:

"The new guidelines, highlighted in this month's issue of Monitor on Psychology, which is published by the APA, linked this ideology to a series of stark statistics: Men commit approximately 90 percent of all homicides in the U.S., they are far more likely than women to be arrested and charged with intimate partner violence in the U.S., and they are four times more likely than women to die of suicide worldwide.

Jared Skillings, a psychologist and the APA's chief of professional practice, told NBC News these new guidelines are intended to educate mental health professionals about the unique issues facing this patient population. The APA published a similar report about girls and women in 2007 and is expected to publish an updated version this year.

The report argues that some of the psychological and social problems that disproportionately affect men may be in part because they are "less likely to be diagnosed with internalizing disorders such as depression, in part because internalizing disorders do not conform to traditional gender role stereotypes about men's emotionality."

Men, the report adds, are more likely to be diagnosed with "externalizing disorders," like attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), which often relies on medication instead of psychological intervention.

www.nbcnews.com

or the actual Guidlines

www.apa.org

#18 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- Nassim Taleb

rofl!!

rationalwiki.org

debunkingdenialism.com

theweek.com

#19 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 12:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Exactly. An association of leftish quacks.

#16 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-09 12:17 PM | FLAG:

Says who? You? They are the premier association for psychologists in the country, the recognized authority in the field. Who are you again?

#20 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 I find your traditional masculinity denoted by the aggression in your post to be harmful.

Fact is traditional masculinity is harmful. Suppressing emotions is very harmful but a key component of "maning up".

Traditional masculinity also has played a big part in getting society to a point where we can sit back and bag on traditional masculinity.

#21 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-01-09 12:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

- Pretentious, self-flattering twaddle.

Great description of your posts.... I guess even you have at least one lucid moment a year. Too bad you used yours up so early this year.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 12:26 PM | Reply

- premier association for psychologist

Premier association of quacks.

#23 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 12:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Premier association of quacks.

#23 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-09 12:26 PM | FLAG:

Thanks for your worthless opinion. Run along now, adults are talking.

#24 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:28 PM | Reply

These are, "new guidelines are intended to educate mental health professionals about the unique issues facing this patient population".... not political policy pronouncments.

Gawd, these Trump Trolls are thin skinned snowflakes. Every rwing rag out there is outraged, rofl... as are our own Trump lemmings.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 12:30 PM | Reply

Traditional masculinity also has played a big part in getting society to a point where we can sit back and bag on traditional masculinity.

#21 | POSTED BY TAOWARRIOR AT 2019-01-09 12:25 PM | FLAG:

Citation needed.

#26 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:31 PM | Reply

Citation needed.

#26 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

The rise and prominence of Western culture.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-09 12:49 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The rise and prominence of Western culture.

#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-09 12:49 PM | FLAG:

Not good enough.

#28 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 12:51 PM | Reply

- The rise and prominence of Western culture.

He's one of these leftists at war against Western Civilization and trying to eliminate Western Civ courses on campuses.

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-09 12:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Dulli thinks reasonable criticism is war and censorship.

#30 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 01:00 PM | Reply

What's that old saw? Guy asks Gandhi what he thinks of Western Civilization. Gandhi responds "I think it would be a good idea."

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 01:07 PM | Reply

What's funny/sad is the rwinger inability to discern the difference between a conversation about toxic masculinity and one about masculinity.

And about the difference between psychological health affected by toxic masculinity as not a broad condemnation of masculinity in general.

Like I said, mindless snowflakes.

#32 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-09 01:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"What's funny/sad is the rwinger inability to discern the difference between a conversation about toxic masculinity and one about masculinity."

That's part of what is so destructive about it. It denies the very possibility of any other form of masculinity.

#33 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan

Wasn't Gandhi a racist?

#34 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 01:20 PM | Reply

Wasn't Gandhi a racist?

#34 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2019-01-09 01:20 PM | FLAG:

Sure. A sexist too. But you've got to admit: it's a good line.

#35 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 01:23 PM | Reply

Here's my favorite Ghandi quote:

"Christ I like. Christians I don't like because they are not like Christ."

#36 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-09 01:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#35 Excellent. Which racist line was his best?

#37 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 01:48 PM | Reply

#37

Classic Trumprat: always searching for new racist quotes to share with his alt-right pals.

#38 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 01:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

If you want to see the harm done by a feminine men just look at Russia.

#39 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-09 02:06 PM | Reply

#38 Now that was perfect.

#40 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 02:07 PM | Reply

It seems like the left are turning into the "Eloi" and the right are turning into the "Morlocks"

There's gotta be a happy medium.😁

#41 | Posted by shane at 2019-01-09 03:03 PM | Reply

Who knew that properly expressing your emotions, not wanting to dominate others and finding solutions other than violence would be so controversial.

#42 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-09 03:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey Boaz, I'm curious about something. How do you feel about all the cucked, liberal, betas here on the Drudge Retort constantly making fun of you? How do you react to that?

#43 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-09 03:23 PM | Reply

Isn't something like 90% of violent crime and murder done by men?

Sure seems harmful.

What am I missing?

#44 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-09 03:26 PM | Reply

"If you want to see the harm done by a feminine men just look at Russia."

wtf?

Since it's Tor, I'm compelled to ask:
Is it feminine to turn the other cheek, bitch?

Have a nice day everyone!

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-09 03:31 PM | Reply

#32 & #33

The thread is about traditional masculinity not toxic masculinity.

In today's society we have moved to a point where there is little difference between traditional and toxic masculinity. There are a lot of reasons the two get conflated many of which have been discussed on here ad nauseum. One that I have not noticed is when we first came down from the trees if a predator attacked violent action was a necessity and the guy who sat down and talked about how he felt about the attack and formed a committee to resolve the issue didn't pass on his genes. Now there is rarely a time when violent action is necessary and arriving at a mutually beneficial compromise is at a premium.

That's simply not the way we evolved and we are in the process of evolving new traits to deal with a new world. Sadly evolution is slow so we can expect to see conflict between new masculinity and traditional masculinity for quite a few more years.

#46 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2019-01-09 03:32 PM | Reply

what gets lost is that the "liberal mindset" is what formed communities, which was by far the most effective manner of fighting of "enemies". This how "liberals" will beat violent aggressors every time.

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-09 03:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Now there is rarely a time when violent action is necessary and arriving at a mutually beneficial compromise is at a premium."

Well there is this thing called business, where one of the ways to succeed is to crush the competition.

#48 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-09 03:36 PM | Reply

I think there's a lot of toxic masculinity on the DR every single day. And it comes from the right & the left and from both male and female.

Nobody's totally masculine or totally feminine. The vast majority of people are a mix of the two. It's how you use the these various personality attributes in a measured and wise way at the proper/necessary times.

#49 | Posted by shane at 2019-01-09 03:52 PM | Reply

"Is it feminine to turn the other cheek, bitch?"

It depends.

In the case of Russia for example they don't and they're men are all feminine.

#50 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-09 05:17 PM | Reply

Gotta love how the APA redefined the problems with "Traditional masculinity" from their PR group when challenged. They did so to try and diminish the flack they are receiving but their original definitions stand within their guidelines. They need to be called out for their BS. It's pretty obvious they started with their conclusion and reverse-engineered their data to 'support' it.

#51 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-10 10:24 AM | Reply

if traditional masculinity is occupying the white house, then it is real problem and needs to be eliminated.

#52 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-10 09:23 PM | Reply

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