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Wednesday, January 09, 2019

The U.S. Navy, without fanfare or notice, tested a new weapon last summer that could revolutionize surface warfare. The hyper velocity projectile (HVP) is a Mach 3 shell fired from existing guns on cruisers and destroyers. A guided projectile, HVP can drop high explosives on enemies on the ground up to three times as far as conventional ship gun ammo with a high rate of precision. It can also intercept incoming anti-ship missiles, providing an economical alternative to increasingly expensive anti-missile interceptors.

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during the 2018 Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercises.

Given how this was done at an international meetup with tens of countries, I'm surprised news of this type of flex (20 projectiles!) hadn't hit the presses earlier.

#1 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-08 09:30 PM | Reply

Someone is trolling for sock puppets. :-)

#2 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-01-08 09:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Name a warfare scenario involving the US Navy that is revolutionized.

You don't need them to blow up goat herders.
It is a cheaper anti-missile interceptor, but an expensive artillery shell.

Meh.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-09 04:54 AM | Reply

It is a cheaper anti-missile interceptor, but an expensive artillery shell. #3 | POSTED BY BORED

These would take out the SCS islands pretty darn quickly. Distance = their "rail gun" being eliminated from the sea strategy.

#4 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 08:31 AM | Reply

But according to tremaintosserrigelsekakki and other assorted liberals here, the U.S. couldn't beat China or anyone else in a naval battle.

#5 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-09 10:01 AM | Reply

"the U.S. couldn't beat China or anyone else in a naval battle"

Boaz must've bet on Alabama over Clemson.

#6 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-01-09 10:04 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You have that backwards. We've been saying how much more advanced we are than China, et al, and this mach 3 weapon is proof.

You anti-US trolls on the other hand have been crying that russia and China can stomp us so we need to further increase the already obese military budget.

No surprise you ruskies want us diverting resources away from our people and into warmongering.

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-09 10:34 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones

You have it backwards, see Tremain and friends' threads about Chinese technology progressing to allegedly equal or surpass US technology.

#8 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The breakthrough fusion technology of a few verses from the book of a 1200 year old religion plus a few box cutters was successfully tested a decade and a half ago and was able to bring down two 1000+ foot steel structures and create a never-ending war that has turned the world on end. Talk about revolutionizing warfare.

#9 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-01-09 10:56 AM | Reply

This Mach 3 shell will obliterate the taliban and end our longest war!

Oh? What was that? Afghanistan is landlocked???

Dayum

#10 | Posted by Sekakai at 2019-01-09 12:57 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#4 How are these HVPs better at taking out islands than a B52?
This won't revolutionize anything.

And no, I am not saying the US can't dominate China or Russia in a conventional battle. It is just that we lose against goat herders on their turf and we will lose on Chinese or Russian turf. No one in their right mind is even contemplating a conventional attack on the US. That only works if you are suicidal jihadists.

The US homeland is safe. Attacking other homelands is stupid. Stop wasting money on murder fantasies.

We should also stop making suicidal jihadists.

#11 | Posted by bored at 2019-01-09 01:21 PM | Reply

Tremain and friends' threads about Chinese technology progressing to allegedly equal or surpass US technology.

#8 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

Since when is tremain the thought leader for DR liberals? Would you like it if I attribute Boaz's fantasies to all of you?

#12 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-09 01:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Tremain must be laughing his a** off right now.

#13 | Posted by Sekakai at 2019-01-09 01:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I asked Sitz about this but he didn't get back to me. I assume the --- kneed him in the groin just for asking for permission to talk about it. And the weird thing is, I don't think anybody can knee Sitz in the groin....

At all.

#14 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 01:51 PM | Reply

I suspect similar tech has migrated to our Army and USMC artillery.

#15 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2019-01-09 02:52 PM | Reply

Since when is tremain the thought leader for DR liberals? #12 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

I don't think I meant to make that type of extrapolation, more that this type of flex of US technology was significant to display the working and deployment ready capability to quickly strike targets at sea. I doubt any country has anti-missile tech capability to mitigate this type of attack at sea or on land.

#16 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 04:08 PM | Reply

The US homeland is safe. Attacking other homelands is stupid. Stop wasting money on murder fantasies. #11 | POSTED BY BORED

I could be heavily bias, but the future of war is sea power superiority, space, and cyber. In no specific order.

#17 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 04:10 PM | Reply

Leave it to Americans to spend billions improving a weapon they don't use...

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-09 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#17 A couple days a go, I saw a "doughnuts-on-a-rope" contrail, at about three thousand feet maybe lower. It was easy to tell because the morning clouds where moving rapidly over it at about 5,000 feet. And the vehicle making the contrail was invisible.

So I'm really not worried.

But then things like that do happen to have a tendency to happen to me - I'm what's called a "weirdness magnet". Which may or may not have something to do with me being a "fish anti-magnet" and other things. But for me, stuff like like that is just normal now.

#19 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-09 04:28 PM | Reply

A couple days a go, I saw a "doughnuts-on-a-rope" contrail, at about three thousand feet maybe lower.

Nothing to worry about if you have nothing to worry about ;).

[Google Wants to Know your Current Location, Accept?]

#20 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 04:45 PM | Reply

this type of flex of US technology was significant to display the working and deployment ready capability to quickly strike targets at sea. I doubt any country has anti-missile tech capability to mitigate this type of attack at sea or on land.

#16 | POSTED BY GONOLES92

That is precisely the argument liberals use to say that we need to stop wasting money on military expansion. We're much better off investing in tactical defense technologies like the missiles in this article than we are creating endless wars that waste money on bureaucracy, war mongering, and outdated/expensive/ineffective technologies.

But a nimble, strategic, and effective defense policy doesn't make dick cheney and friends rich, and it doesn't fix the impotence of people like mattis and john bolton, so military obesity and recklessness are what we get from our right wing leaders.

#21 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-09 05:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Navy had this tech decades ago.

They're just letting civies see it now.

#22 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-09 05:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cool. How much did this cost exactly?

It's not like america has any other pressing expenses to pay besides military toys that will never be used.

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2019-01-09 06:03 PM | Reply

#22 | POSTED BY TOR

Ain't that the truth.

#24 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-09 06:04 PM | Reply

They're just letting civies see it now. #22 | POSTED BY TOR

Now just imagine what we have nowadays :)

#25 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-09 09:01 PM | Reply

Now just imagine what we have nowadays

Stupendously expensive stuff that doesn't work?

#26 | Posted by REDIAL at 2019-01-09 10:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is this one of those weapons that is a million dollars per bullet?

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-09 11:50 PM | Reply

" the cost of the shell should be about $100,000 at the very most. That's expensive for a gun shell, but cheap compared to the $2 million dollar price tag of a surface-to-air missile"

#28 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2019-01-10 12:13 AM | Reply

Before these freaking military losers are through they will kill us all.

#29 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-10 12:19 AM | Reply

I asked Sitz about this but he didn't get back to me.

#14 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT AT 2019-01-09 01:51 PM | REPLY

I did, it was a day or two later. I'm very busy lately.

It's the projectile tech from rail guns. With rail guns being expensive and unnecessary, the fastest way to make use of the research is to deploy the super dense bullets to conventional guns. With the right gun and a guided projectile you could shoot into LEO, attacking satellites and ballistic missiles.

The 5" gun has been valid for air defense and anti-ship duties since the 40s, shooting a round per second. A new bullet makes it a hell of a lot more deadly.

#30 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-10 08:06 AM | Reply

WOW!!!!!!!!!! mach 3? I have a 50 year old rifle that does that.

#31 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-10 12:53 PM | Reply

#31 | Posted by Sniper, Yea but your bullet doesn't weigh 100 pounds and travel 30 miles. We have probity gone as far as we can with propellant technology, it has been around for about 700 years. The rail gun tech and lasers looks more promising. Big plus, they don't have to have big magazines full of explosives.

#32 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-10 01:06 PM | Reply

We have probity gone as far as we can with propellant technology, it has been around for about 700 years.

#32 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-10 01:06 PM | REPLY

We're not even remotely close to the limits. The only guy to push the boundaries was murdered by the Mossad.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-10 01:56 PM | Reply

#33 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Those old cannons kind of exactly prove Docjno's point.

#34 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-10 02:01 PM | Reply

We should also stop making suicidal jihadists.

You should talk to a Muslim about that.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-10 02:45 PM | Reply

You should talk to a Muslim about that.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-01-10 02:45 PM | FLAG:

I have. They agree.

Oh... I'm sorry... you thought that was somehow Islam's fault?

#36 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-10 02:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg I remember that guy, and there were several groups that wanted him dead. He was supposed to be building a super gun for Saddam when he reached room temperature. The CIA and the British MI6 among them. The problem with a cannon is not the range, it is the extreme G force generated by the propellant.Not much can escape damage at 200 to 500 Gs. Additionally the chamber pressure decreases in the volume of the barrel, especially in a very long barrel. The Nazis figured they could make a centipede gun, one with multiple powder chambers to solve that problem to put shells on London from Belgium, about 300 KM. Of course it was so large, the Germans couldn't hide it and we bombed it to junk before it could be used.

#37 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-10 04:12 PM | Reply

We're not even remotely close to the limits. The only guy to push the boundaries was murdered by the Mossad.

#33 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Care to explain that one?

#38 | Posted by Sniper at 2019-01-10 04:42 PM | Reply

Sniper, he's talking about the gun Saddam Hussein wanted to build into the side of a mountain.

It would have worked.

That's why Israel killed the British guy who was building it.

So now you have a new thing to cheer for.

#39 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-10 05:05 PM | Reply

I believe that gun saddam wanted was based on old nazi designs for a cross channel gun that could reach London.
Here is a better link about those "hypersonic" rounds.
news.usni.org

#40 | Posted by Badcat at 2019-01-10 06:31 PM | Reply

Those old cannons kind of exactly prove Docjno's point.

#34 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-01-10 02:01 PM | REPLY

Not at all. Bull never got to build Big Babylon, nor the VLCs. We haven't scratched the surface of big gun performance.

#41 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-11 08:06 AM | Reply

Oh... I'm sorry... you thought that was somehow Islam's fault?

Funny how you think it isn't.

So you are saying it's the individual doing the bombing and not Islam, But on any given day, it's not an individual doing a shooting, it's the gun...

Idiots.

#42 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-11 09:21 AM | Reply

"Funny how you think it isn't."

Not that funny, given that I, unlike you, am capable of critical thought and educated as to the matter at issue.

"So you are saying it's the individual doing the bombing and not Islam,"

Did I say that?

"But on any given day, it's not an individual doing a shooting, it's the gun..."

No one says that. And it is a false comparison anyway.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 11:36 AM | Reply

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan Why not stop being an Islamic apologist and actually read the Koran and find out what Islam is. Do I object to the practice of Islam as a religion. But that is only a fraction of Islam. You ignore the judicial and legal parts. It is more than a religion, it is a government.

#44 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-11 12:21 PM | Reply

Why not stop being an Islamic apologist and actually read the Koran and find out what Islam is. Do I object to the practice of Islam as a religion. But that is only a fraction of Islam. You ignore the judicial and legal parts. It is more than a religion, it is a government.

#44 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-11 12:21 PM | FLAG:

I absolutely know more about the subject than you, which admittedly is not a high bar to clear. ANY religious tradition will have implications for law and governance, as even a brief glance at, say, your own tradition (whatever half-formed feel-good Christianity you pretend to follow) will repeatedly confirm.

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 12:27 PM | Reply

#32 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-10 01:06 PM | FLAG: Problem with lasers is that are only line-of-sight, so cannot hit targets over the horizon like shells. I do believe that railgun projectiles are capable of indirect [over horizon] fire.

#46 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-01-11 12:37 PM | Reply

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan, I thought the big killers in the 20th century were all atheist. Christian states killed plenty, but they are absolute pikers compared to Islamic conquest, slavery and rule. Read about the Eastern slave trade or the Islamic conquest of India or the Ottoman conquest of Eastern Europe, which was not over till the end of the 19th century.
#46 | Posted by MSgt, the curvature of the earth about 10 meters at 50 KM, negligible for the defense of a warship.

#47 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-11 01:50 PM | Reply

"I thought the big killers in the 20th century were all atheist."

Not sure what that claim has to do with anything.

"Christian states killed plenty, but they are absolute pikers compared to Islamic conquest, slavery and rule. Read about the Eastern slave trade or the Islamic conquest of India or the Ottoman conquest of Eastern Europe, which was not over till the end of the 19th century."

I have. There is nothing to bear out your claim. You cobbled together a view of history to support your prejudices.

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 01:59 PM | Reply

Tremain must be laughing his a** off right now.

#13 | POSTED BY SEKAKAI AT 2019-01-09 01:28 PM

Why don't you and Tonytripoli look in the mirror and see if that's the case.

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-11 02:30 PM | Reply

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan You do realize that the Islamic conquest of India killed more people than WWII and WWI combined? 7 of the 10 most bloody wars in history were not even about religion, they all occurred within China.

#50 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-11 02:37 PM | Reply

You do realize that the Islamic conquest of India killed more people than WWII and WWI combined? 7 of the 10 most bloody wars in history were not even about religion, they all occurred within China.

#50 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-11 02:37 PM | FLAG:

What are you babbling about? What does this have to do with your islamophobia?

#51 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-11 02:47 PM | Reply

#47 | POSTED BY DOCNJO AT 2019-01-11 01:50 PM | FLAG:

"Boat captains say, on average, you can see ships on the horizon or land at about 12 miles. A rough formula at http://science.howstuffworks.com... Examples: For an observer standing on the ground with h = 1.70 metres (5 ft 7 in) (average eye-level height), the horizon is at a distance of 4.7 kilometres (2.9 mi).
When I look out into the ocean, how far away is the horizon? How ..."
www.quora.com

#52 | Posted by MSgt at 2019-01-11 08:54 PM | Reply

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