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Friday, January 04, 2019

What the 9/11 truthers and the Lawyers' Committee have achieved is the destruction of the designation of 9/11 skeptics as "conspiracy theorists." No US Attorney would convene a grand jury on the basis of a conspiracy theory. There will be tremendous pressures on the US Attorney's office to have the grand jury dismiss the evidence as an unpatriotic conspiracy theory. Clearly, the evidence is compelling that has put the US Attorney in such an unenviable position. If the United States had a rule of law, something as serious as 9/11 could not have gone for 17 years without a serious investigation. But, its happened before.

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In spite of the release of many documents associated with the JFK assassination hardly anyone knows that a top secret Project Northwoods report revealed that the Joint Chiefs' presented a plan to President Kennedy for the US government shoot down US airliners, kill US citizens and place the blame on Castro in order to gain public acceptance for an invasion of Cuba. Some stories are deliberately suppressed in the mass media.

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There is no story outside the 911 truther crowd that says this means a grand jury will be impaneled.

#1 | Posted by rcade at 2019-01-04 07:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"9/11 skeptics as "conspiracy theorists."

I'm skeptical there isn't better footage of the Pentagon strike, but I don't see any conspiracy. Seems like I've known for some time now, the reports of Federal agents confiscating surveillance tapes from any establishment nearby with a view of the flight path. That's burying and probably destroying evidence, for sure, but it doesn't indicate a conspiracy. Just malfeasance.

#2 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-04 08:00 PM | Reply

Clearly, the evidence is compelling that has put the US Attorney in such an unenviable position.

Sorry to break it to you, but this is a form letter, and all this means is that if the truther crowd pulls together evidence of a Federal Crime that the USA for the SDNY will consider whether to present it to the grand jury, nothing more, nothing less.

#3 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2019-01-04 08:31 PM | Reply

I've long thought that fire where the planes hit, loaded with jet fuel, could quickly destroy steel insulation and that one floor. Once the immense load above that hit floor falls that breaks all the joints below in what looks like a controlled demolition. So that limits the conspiracy to the hijackers and the Saudi Government, whose diplomat we know funded the hijackers housing. That same diplomat was then given a free flight out of the country with the bin Laden family while everyone else in the country was grounded.

But then there is building 7. That has never made any sense to me. I just don't believe heat from only one side or even two sides could cause a similar controlled demolition. It woud have to fail first on the side exposed to the first two buildings which were hit.

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-04 08:43 PM | Reply

Building 7 was on fire for hours. It collapsed in the way a structure that was burning for hours would normally collapse, in my layman's opinion.

#5 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-04 08:51 PM | Reply

That's odd, all I ever heard about in the mainstream media was about the mysterious death of a bunch of jurists.

#6 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-04 10:06 PM | Reply

Building7 tenants included the Department of Defense, the Secret Service, the IRS, the Securities and Exchange Commission (many records, including probably much-damning evidence in the Citibank–WorldCom financial scandal, disappeared forever) and Rudy Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management, which housed the mayor's infamous 23rd-floor "bunker" -- the command center from which he planned to run the city during some terrible, unthinkable crisis. The mortgage was held by the Blackstone Group, then headed by Pete Peterson, the chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-04 11:05 PM | Reply

imgur.com

#8 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2019-01-05 12:13 PM | Reply

19 Arabs, of which 14 were Saudis, were certainly on those planes. Why so many Saudi's got a free pass out of the country without being interrogated points directly to collusion by Dick and George, no doubt about that.

#9 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-05 06:40 PM | Reply

"imgur" doesn't gp anywhere or say anything.

#10 | Posted by bayviking at 2019-01-05 06:41 PM | Reply

I still want to know how some arab in a cave got NORAD to stand down while 4 planes went off course.. around what was supposed to be the best guarded airspace in the country..... not easy to do
And building 7 was obviously demolished

#11 | Posted by 503jc69 at 2019-01-05 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#7 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-01-04 11:05 PM | REPLY

Building 7 was controlled demolition. Had it not been for building 7 collapsiinto itself, we would have scratched our heads and debated the whole 9-11 thing for many years to come. But #7 gave us all we needed to not trust the official story with confidence that amounted to a hill of beans.

#12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-07 05:01 AM | Reply

19 Arabs, of which 14 were Saudis, were certainly on those planes. Why so many Saudi's got a free pass out of the country without being interrogated points directly to collusion by Dick and George, no doubt about that.

#9 | POSTED BY BAYVIKING AT 2019-01-05 06:40 PM | FLAG:

I've been asking the same question for nearly 20 years now. That and why we invaded Iraq instead of Saudi Arabia.

#13 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-07 05:03 AM | Reply

Building 7 is definitely an anomaly.

#14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-07 08:53 AM | Reply

"Building 7 is definitely an anomaly." - #14 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2019-01-07 08:53 AM

Definitely not really:

What caused the collapse of WTC7?

(S. Shyam) Sunder: WTC 7 was the first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building. Because the collapse of the WTC Towers damaged the city water main, the sprinkler system for the bottom half of the stories of WTC 7 didn't work. The uncontrolled fires caused thermal expansion of the steel beams on the lower floors, damaging the floor framing on many other floors. Eventually a girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to a critical interior column that provided support for the long floor spans on the east side of the building. The displaced girder and other fire damage caused Floor 13 to collapse, beginning a cascade of floor failures, which left the critical column unsupported over nine stories. When this critical column buckled, it led to a progression of structural failures up to the roofline. All the interior columns buckled and failed across the building width, and the exterior walls just came down. Factors contributing to the collapse were long-span floor systems, connections not designed for thermal effects, asymmetric floor framing, and/or composite floor systems.

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#15 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-07 09:34 AM | Reply

The fire(s) in building 7 hardly burned uncontrollably. There's plenty of video to show that the fires were really small. IF in fact that caused the building to implode, then a contractor somewhere needs to be brought to trial.

#16 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-07 10:52 AM | Reply

"Building 7 was controlled demolition." - #12 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2019-01-07 05:01 AM

As it turns out, that is not what the research by professionals in the controlled demolition industry found:

3. Any detonation of explosives within WTC 7 would likely have been detected by seismographs monitoring ground vibration in the general area (see Assertion #4). To our knowledge, no such telltale "spike" or vibratory anomaly was recorded by any monitoring instrument.

4. Saying, "No airplane hit it" implies the structure suffered minimal effects from the planes crashing into the adjacent towers. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Video and photographs of the north tower collapse clearly depict substantial upper sections of the building falling outward and impacting WTC buildings 6 and 7. This was not a glancing blow from extraneous material, rather thousands of tons of steel girders falling directly into the building from hundreds of feet above. WTC 7 sustained significant impact damage to its southwest corner up to the 18-20 th floor, or a little less than halfway up the building. There was also significant damage to the building's south face, although dense smoke present in most photos hinders an exact assessment. Other photos depict several lower floors fully involved in a large fire that either began upon impact or shortly thereafter, and most experts point to the large stockpile of diesel fuel stored in the basement as the likely catalyst. Regardless of the fire's origin, these flames are clearly visible from all four sides of the structure. With most local firefighting equipment destroyed and the search for survivors being of primary concern, these intense fires were left to burn uncontrolled for more than six hours, further compromising the already badly damaged structure. Given these facts, any implication that WTC 7 was not substantially affected by the original plane crashes is not accurate.

5. Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event. We have spoken with several who possess extensive experience in explosive demolition, and all reported hearing or seeing nothing to indicate an explosive detonation precipitating the collapse. As one eyewitness told us, "We were all standing around helpless ... we knew full well it was going to collapse. Everyone there knew. You gotta remember there was a lot of confusion and we didn't know if another plane was coming ... but I never heard explosions like demo charges. We knew with the damage to that building and how hot the fire was, that building was gonna go, so we just waited, and a little later it went."

6. Finally, we have not discovered or been presented with any physical evidence indicating explosives were used to fell the structure.

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Going to have to go with the professionals on this one.

#17 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-07 01:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Building 7 was controlled demolition." - #12 | Posted by lfthndthrds

^
I wish people had little merit badges by their names; Truther, Birther, Anti-Vaxx and so on, so we could separate the men from the boys.

#18 | Posted by snoofy at 2019-01-07 01:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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