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Wednesday, January 02, 2019

After Nicole Parsons, a University of Massachusetts at Amherst student, hung a sign to her residence hall window proclaiming "--- Nazis," she got an email from an administrator. It wasn't "inclusive," he wrote, and asked that Parsons remove it. The response by the institution officials -- who did admit Parsons had every right to keep the sign -- has drawn the ire of students and alumni who perceived the institution was attempting to include white supremacy under the banner of "inclusion."

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The------------------- welcomes the very fine nazis with open arms.

#1 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2019-01-02 04:21 PM | Reply

No, inclusiveness should not be extended to Nazis, and the UMass at Amherst administrators should be told that in no uncertain terms by students, staff and faculty, alumni, and members of the public in Amherst, in MA and in the US as a whole.

#2 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2019-01-02 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

She couldn't go with "---- Genocide"? Or "---- Enslaving the World"?

Now that would not be PC. Anyway, the article was about the Thought Police and obscenity. But I still thought it was funny. Adults do have to be protected from other peoples opinions.

#3 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 04:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No.

"Paradox of tolerance"

Look it up. Punch nazis.

#4 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-02 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 We did. It was called WW2. Now we have to punch the other totalitarians as well, not just the Nazi's. But doing that is not PC, because Mao was a good guy....

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#5

"Whatabout Mao! Whatabout Mao! Rawwwwk!"

-HeliumParrot

#6 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 05:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 5 | Newsworthy 1

#3 Damn dude. Does mean we have to execute everyone on the left? That's a little harsh. Can't we just get them some job training and take them to see edgy comedians like George Carlin or Robin Williams?

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#4 Damn dude. Does that mean we have to execute everyone on the left? That's a little harsh. Can't we just get them some job training and take them to see edgy comedians like George Carlin or Robin Williams?

#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Can't English worth a damn.

#8 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:18 PM | Reply

#6 Okay, fine. How about China throughout it's entire history with its 8 figure civil war deaths going back to it's very beginning.

What we need is an honest, moral leader like Pol Pot to help us deal with this issue. Or the firm hand of Stalin. Or really, anyone with a "political education", all of whom would be willing to run the extermination camps.

#9 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:21 PM | Reply

"Whatabout Stalin? rawwwwwwk! Whatabout Pol Pot? Rawwwwwwk!"

#10 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 05:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

--No, inclusiveness should not be extended to Nazis

Does that include leftwing extremists: communists, anarchists, eco-terrorists, nation of Islam, Farrakhan and other anti-semites?

#11 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-02 05:25 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

And Dulli joins in the chorus of Whataboutism! Hilarious.

#12 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

#11 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

With the exception of communists, those are all right wingers. Oh and "eco-terrorists" -- I'm not sure what you and Alex Jones mean by that one.

#13 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-02 05:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Now we have to punch the other totalitarians as well,
#5 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

We keep trying but you trump supporters insist they are "good people" and then you bitch and cheat in order to support the totalitarians.

#14 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-02 05:31 PM | Reply

Does that include leftwing extremists: communists, anarchists, eco-terrorists, nation of Islam, Farrakhan and other anti-semites?

#11 | Posted by nullifidian

Stop being an idiot. (I can dream can't I?)

No one has to "tolerate" intolerance.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-02 06:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Oh and "eco-terrorists" --

#13 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2019-01-02 05:29 PM | REPLY

Knowing is half the battle.

"The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation defines eco-terrorism as "...the use or threatened use of violence of a criminal nature against innocent victims or property by an environmentally-oriented, subnational group for environmental-political reasons, or aimed at an audience beyond the target, often of a symbolic nature."[3] The FBI credited eco-terrorists with US$200 million in property damage between 2003 and 2008. A majority of states in the US have introduced laws aimed at penalizing eco-terrorism.[4]"

#16 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-02 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

--No one has to "tolerate" intolerance.

The ideology of repressive modern progressives, the new Thought Police, not traditional liberalism.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-02 06:33 PM | Reply

The ideology of repressive modern progressives, the new Thought Police, not traditional liberalism.

#17 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-02 06:33 PM | FLAG:

Citation needed.

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 06:37 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

Half of that tiny list of examples are people terrorizing the ecology -- the exact opposite of what you meant to point out. The others sound like responses to terrorist polluters. And then there was PETA, which is basically "Pro-Life" for people that like to see animals tortured.

#19 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-02 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What a thread. Dulli and Trumprat chant whataboutism while giving "classical liberalism" a bad name, while Sitzbath dials up the false equivalency (there must not be any ------------ NEW MILITARY TECH!!1 threads active...).

#20 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 08:35 PM | Reply

I love the logic of the blackshirts: in order to achieve social justice, we must beat the hell out of anyone who believes in liberty and human dignity and censure them, because we can't dispute actual facts. I mean, the death camps are coming, and there really is no reason to try to teach these guys civility: it's their way or the highway.

The Dems are right, a second Civil War is coming, as laughable as that may sound.

"Where they burn books, they will, in the end, burn human beings too."

#21 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 08:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#21

...who is burning books again? Unless it is rightists with the Koran again.

As for THIS nonsense...

"we must beat the hell out of anyone who believes in liberty and human dignity and censure them, because we can't dispute actual facts."

You have no call to talk about actual facts, given the allergy you rightists seem to have to them. And since when do fascists believe in liberty OR human dignity?

#22 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 09:24 PM | Reply

"The Dems are right, a second Civil War is coming, as laughable as that may sound." - #21 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 08:50 PM

Laughable is you claiming "personal experience" is quoting a grandfather who died several decades before you were born, then claiming that it was an obvious joke that everybody else gets, although it received zero Funny flag.

That's laughable.

"Did you read the thread where I told Gal_Tuesday the three rules of power? She basically abandoned the site after that. I think I may have actually had a positive moral impact on someone...." - #30 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-24 11:47 PM
"Stupid ----, your ---------- posts didn't force anybody to abandon this site."

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POSTED BY GAL_TUESDAY AT 2018-08-24 10:20 AM | REPLY - #35 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2018-08-25 12:37 AM

"Seniority 3? Since 2000? That's not right. I live on this planet, and I can remember things. I've been here since 2012 and Gal_Tuesday was relatively new logging in right after RussiaGate. Yeah. Issues here." - #41 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-25 01:05 AM
"Why am I not seeing her posts?" - #42 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-25 01:09 AM
"I swear I don't have her plonked. Can somebody post me the last thing she posted and stuff?" - #44 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-25 01:13 AM
"No. I cant. I swear to God I am not making this up.

"Guys, I'm going on vacation for a little while. I know who to talk to. This reminds of when a virus started turning my posts into anti-NATO rants on another blog.

I was like "Wait, I didn't type that". But this is darker. - #46 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-08-25 01:28 AM

That's laughable, too!

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-02 09:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

HRat, it is not too late to educate yourself on politics and critical theory.

#24 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 09:25 PM | Reply

I love you Hans. Never give up making yourself look as creepy as possible, perv.

#25 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 10:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Citation needed.
#18 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Not its not ...

who is burning books again?

Left leaning social media sites....

And since when do fascists believe in liberty OR human dignity?

Exactly; fascism, totalitarianism, socialism and communism all the same to the common folk, sure there is some philosophical differences to intellectual yet idiots and morons, but the reality is they suck for the common man.

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-02 11:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"Left leaning social media sites...."

Citation needed.

#27 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 11:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-02 11:

But capitalism is so wonderful and Ayn Rand is a Goddess right Andre, lol

#28 | Posted by PunchyPossum at 2019-01-03 01:49 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I just want progressives to admit that this CAN wind up being deadly. Whether it is the communists in Laos that murdered 1 in 4, including those who wore glasses because they were "educated" (privilege) to the Inqusition, the progressives should openly admit that this CAN lead to a body count.

#29 | Posted by drivelikejehu at 2019-01-03 07:28 AM | Reply

@#29 - the only ones defending the actions of Amhurst are the right-wingers, Null, Helium, Andrea and Sitz' misguided attempt at something. They're all defending being tolerant of nazis with their 'whatabout' crap and attempted equivalencies.

Everyone on the left has condemned this.

Figure it out, ferchrissakes.

#30 | Posted by YAV at 2019-01-03 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It would be possible to include Nazis if they would include others. But they're Nazis.

#31 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-03 08:58 AM | Reply

I just want progressives to admit that this CAN wind up being deadly.

#29 | Posted by drivelikejehu

I actually understand your point, but it's trivial. I can certainly leave a Nazis alone to his beliefs. The problem being: it's not in his nature to extend that favor.

#32 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-03 09:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, or FIRE, a civil liberties watchdog in academe, confirmed that the First Amendment protects students' rights to use vulgarity to describe Nazis, even if it makes others uncomfortable.

"The university was free to criticize the sign, but correct to note that they couldn't compel the student to take it down," Adam Steinbaugh, director of FIRE's Individual Rights Defense Program, said in a statement. "Government actors -- like a public university -- don't get to pick which words people use to express their feelings. If other students don't like a sign that says '---- Nazis,' avert your eyes."

Avert your eyes. Change the channel. Don't attend a speech. Novel concepts for the SJW snowflakes who would suppress other people's right to speak or listen to content that isn't "political correct."

#33 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 09:23 AM | Reply

Having a right to criticize and deleteriously exercising that right are two different things.

I'm glad Amherst was shamed into retracting.
Should never have put out their original and ridiculous statement.

#34 | Posted by YAV at 2019-01-03 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

oh - and ---- Nazis.

#35 | Posted by YAV at 2019-01-03 09:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#26 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Your post would be funny if you weren't serious which makes it seriously ignorant.

Citation is absolutely needed.

So go ALL THE WAY BACK to #4 and do as suggested. Again it may seem like a paradox but the Tolerant should NOT tolerate the intolerant.

How about a citation or at least your explanation for "Left leaning social media sites" burning books. And btw - what the hell is a left leaning social media site? I would love examples of them.

And then there was:
And since when do fascists believe in liberty OR human dignity?

Exactly; fascism, totalitarianism, socialism and communism all the same to the common folk, sure there is some philosophical differences to intellectual yet idiots and morons, but the reality is they suck for the common man.

Not sure how you heap Socialism in there. The implementations of Socialism out there actually benefit the common man and the vast majority of people are just fine with Socialism. Unfettered Capitalism like we experienced prior to the 1840s sucks for the common man as well. ANYTHING taken to extremes typically sucks.

#36 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 10:24 AM | Reply

"Left leaning social media sites...."
Citation needed. - #27 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-02 11:42 PM

www.facebook.com

#37 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-01-03 10:28 AM | Reply

#33 | Posted by nullifidian

You really are dull aren't you? Hate speech is what being a Nazi is all about. Not tolerating the intolerant is in fact tolerance. Keep in mind this all started over some Nazi drawing a swastika on a "Happy Hanukkah" poster a resident assistant had posted. I would hope even in your book that act or just having Nazi beliefs in general are far worse than "not 'Politically Correct'".

Does the sign she put up lack tact? Or how about the vulgarity of it? Absolutely but how do you get through to a hate filled d-bag? Trick question because you don't. They have to want to change.

#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 10:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 | Posted by Avigdore

LMAO - could you cite how it is a "left leaning social media site" please? Every time I login I am inundated with right wing hate of the left so maybe I am just not seeing it.

You mean because they are shutting down right wing d-bags who continually break the terms of service? I mean besides the fact they Post false information and Spread intolerance - they break the rules they agreed to follow. So yes they get shut down. Anyone left wing doing the breaking the rules would be shut down as well but then again I never hear about that happening...

#39 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 10:39 AM | Reply

--#38 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Do you even understand that I'm defending the student's 1st amendment rights?

#40 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 10:42 AM | Reply

You mean because they are shutting down right wing d-bags who continually break the terms of service?

No .. even with no violation of ToS ....

YouTube's New Moderators Mistakenly Pull Right-Wing Channels
www.bloomberg.com

YouTube Struggles With Advertisers Vs. Conservative Voices Conflicts
deadline.com

PATREON PUSHED BY MASTERCARD TO BAN ACCOUNTS IN ‘TERRIBLE PRECEDENT'
bitcoinist.com

Nothing to do with ToS....

I would add ToS isn't applied judiciously, but with extreme bias.

Galaxie its happening .. once the left leaning social networks, find reasons, doing it with your type of justification (RW Dbags), nothing will stop them from applying in even larger scale.

Good luck in the next purge ...

#41 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2019-01-03 10:57 AM | Reply

#37

Facebook isn't burning the books... that Super Deluxe group is.

#42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 10:58 AM | Reply

#41

Deplatforming hateful scum is an example of free speech. These are private platforms, as you welll know.

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 10:59 AM | Reply

Why are communists and Marxists tolerated?

#44 | Posted by visitor_ at 2019-01-03 11:36 AM | Reply

Why are communists and Marxists tolerated?

#44 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2019-01-03 11:36 AM | FLAG: Whatabout whatabout whatabout

#45 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No one has to "tolerate" intolerance.

#15 | Posted by donnerboy

We are starting to have "black only" spaces again, pushed by the blacks intolorating anyone else in their "space".

Do you liberals ever listen to yourselves.

#46 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-03 11:39 AM | Reply

#46

You've got it backwards. What you are describing? That's a form of free association within a group. It is wrongheaded to compare it to institutional segregation.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#41 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

Why the hell do you believe conservatives should have some super-speech right that legally forces others to relay their bile?

#48 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 12:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#44 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Who tolerates marxism? Besides you russia and china coddling cons?

#49 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 12:08 PM | Reply

Ahahahahahahahahahah!!!! Liberals having to deal with messes they solely created is fantastic. There's a positive and negative to everything and now you see the negative of inclusiveness. I'm sure you are blaming Reps somehow but they aren't the ones with a dog in this fight, sorry.

#50 | Posted by humtake at 2019-01-03 12:16 PM | Reply

#50

What are you babbling about?

#51 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:17 PM | Reply

--Who tolerates marxism?

Your ignorance is appalling. 18 percent of college professors in the social sciences are self-identified Marxists. And yes, they are and should be tolerated.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 12:18 PM | Reply

null- how many professors identify as nazis?

#53 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-03 12:20 PM | Reply

#43

People forget that free speech works both ways. People are welcome to have a hate-filled heart and espouse their vile ideologies. But at the same time others are free to speak out against them. And in/on moderated platforms rules of decorum are perfectly acceptable. If haters can't find a platform home online, they are welcome to go old-school and put up signs in their front yards.

Too bad most are too cowardly to show their hate IRL. It would be nice to know where they live if for no other reason than to avoid them or to protest against them.

#54 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-01-03 12:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#50

Hum, most of the dogs fighting are Reps. Are you one of those Reps? Do you own the fact that Reps lovingly include those ------ -- ---- among their ranks?

#55 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-01-03 12:25 PM | Reply

--null- how many professors identify as nazis?

Exactly. There aren't any nazi professors. They wouldn't be hired in the first place. Only leftwing totalitarians can become professors.

#56 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 12:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#52

That sounds like a made up statistic, Nulli.

#57 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

LMAO - could you cite how it is a "left leaning social media site" please? - #39 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 10:39 AM
Their employees admit to
suppressing conservative news.

Their COE admits to the left-bias of facebook:
Zuckerberg Admits To Congress FB's Liberal Bias

Are you really so unaware of the world around you, or do you disbelieve that facebook is a social media site?

#58 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-01-03 12:37 PM | Reply

"how many professors identify as nazis?"

My Bioethics professor in college wore a slightly modified toothbrush mustache. He insisted he was a Charlie Chaplin fanatic and occasionally wore a bowler hat to class to help prove his point, but when he brought his dachshund in at the end of the semester, whom he affectionately called Odal, he kinda gave himself away.

#59 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-01-03 12:38 PM | Reply

A Nazi teaching bioethics, wow!

#60 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-03 12:39 PM | Reply

--That sounds like a made up statistic, Nulli.

You can deny the existence of hundreds, if not more, of Marxist professors on college campuses if you want. I don't care. I actually took courses from Marxist professors.

www.campusreform.org

#61 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 12:39 PM | Reply

Facebook isn't burning the books... that Super Deluxe group is. - #42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 10:58 AM

Correct, that left wing group is burning books. And they are posting it on a left leaning social media site.
That provides the citation you requested.

#62 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-01-03 12:41 PM | Reply

Correct, that left wing group is burning books. And they are posting it on a left leaning social media site.
That provides the citation you requested.

#62 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-01-03 12:41 PM | FLAG:

No it doesn't, Chimpy. I asked for a citation of left wing social media sites burning books and, lo! You don't have one. As for the group... left leaning? Who are they again? I've never heard of them.

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:44 PM | Reply

#61

Do you have a credible source? No? Didn't think so.

#64 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You can play dumb if you want. Doesn't matter to me.

#65 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 12:49 PM | Reply

Doesn't matter to me.

#65 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-03 12:49 PM | FLAG:

What doesn't? Supporting your claims? Yeah, I thought so.

#66 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:53 PM | Reply

Nazis should be classified as a terrorist group.
Anyone nazi *member should go to Guantanamo.

#67 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-01-03 12:54 PM | Reply

"You can play dumb if you want. "

Posts the guy whose article begins:
"Panelists for the American Enterprise Institute agree..."

Dirkstruan's question is a valid one. Do you have a credible source?

#68 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-03 12:54 PM | Reply

Avowed Maoist activist Sunsara Taylor is always creeping around college campuses. More power to her. Her interview with Jesse Lee Peterson is priceless (link below).

The problem I've always had is that the terms "Nazi" and "Fascist" are used so loosely and ubiquitously incorrectly they no longer have any meaning. I've seen/heard people like Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris called such things - a lot. Neither is anything even in the same galaxy as a Nazi or Fascist. In the minds of a lot of these kids, anyone to the right of Bernie is a Nazi or a Fascist, and academia tacitly, even openly, embraces and encourages that dangerously fatuous nonsense. By their own definition, most of these kids' parents wouldn't be allowed to visit them in the dorms.

youtu.be

#69 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What is it about Nazi's and the DR?

Geeese.... why nothing about the Black Panthers?

#70 | Posted by Pegasus at 2019-01-03 12:56 PM | Reply

Upwards of 400K American GIs died fighting those odious sonsabiches in WW2.

#71 | Posted by phesterOBoyle at 2019-01-03 12:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

www.econlib.org

Here are the results from a 2006 nationally representative survey of American professors. The survey asked if the professor considered himself "radical," "political activist," or "Marxist." Survey says:

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It's as pointless as debating whether water is wet. If denialists want to pretend that the social sciences and humanities aren't dominated by the far-left, they are free to do so.

#72 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 01:01 PM | Reply

#64 Dirk

I found the linked website with the pertinent statistical data.
Pretty interesting. In a nutshell:

"Overall, Marxism is a tiny minority faith. Just 3% of professors accept the label. The share rises to 5% in the humanities. The shocker, though, is that as recently as 2006, about 18% of social scientists self-identified as Marxists."

So Nulli's 18% is accurate within the social science field, but not academia-wide.

Here is the full study:

www.econlib.org

#73 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 01:04 PM | Reply

3ijp5i2qkzo4hq4yrxfteqh-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com

Isn't that a site where anyone can use a snipping tool of just about anything made up from just about any useless source and some idiot will come along and claim it is something?

#74 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-03 01:05 PM | Reply

Geeese.... why nothing about the Black Panthers?

#70 | POSTED BY PEGASUS AT 2019-01-03 12:56 PM | FLAG:

Are they equivalent?

#75 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:05 PM | Reply

#72 Nulli - you beat me to that study!

#76 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 01:05 PM | Reply

"A Nazi teaching bioethics, wow!"

A great disguise, no? A laboratory rat is more deserving of a painless research experience then, say, one of Mengele's patients?

#77 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2019-01-03 01:05 PM | Reply

--The problem I've always had is that the terms "Nazi" and "Fascist" are used so loosely and ubiquitously incorrectly they no longer have any meaning

"Many political words are similarly abused. The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable'. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another"

George Orwell, Politics and the English Language

#78 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 01:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's as pointless as debating whether water is wet. If denialists want to pretend that the social sciences and humanities aren't dominated by the far-left, they are free to do so.

#72 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2019-01-03 01:01 PM | FLAG:

Even if your numbers are right, 18% is "dominating?" Really?

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:08 PM | Reply

Even if your numbers are right, 18% is "dominating?" Really?

#79 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

18% is a majority to real stable geniuses like nulli. That's why he thinks most of the country is conservative.

#80 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 01:10 PM | Reply

That's a form of free association within a group. It is wrongheaded to compare it to institutional segregation.

#47 | Posted by DirkStruan

So, if the black students wanted a "black only water fountain", because it would be their safe water fountain, you would be ok with that? It's no different than a black only "space".

If racists had known that in the future, we would segregate ourselves, they may have just left us alone.

#81 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-03 01:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

#79 Dirk

It appears that, across all fields, it is 3%. Only the Social Sciences reach 18% percent.

#82 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 01:12 PM | Reply

As for the group... left leaning? Who are they again? I've never heard of them. - #63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 12:44 PM

Limiting the conversation to things you aren't ignorant about really doesn't leave room to discuss much.

#83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-01-03 01:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Limiting the conversation to things you aren't ignorant about really doesn't leave room to discuss much.

#83 | POSTED BY AVIGDORE AT 2019-01-03 01:12 PM | FLAG:

Again, who are they? Are they left leaning?

#84 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:14 PM | Reply

#81

I am not sure what you are alarmed at. Surely you have no objection to free association.

#85 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:15 PM | Reply

"Limiting the conversation to things you aren't ignorant about..." - #83 | Posted by Avigdore at 2019-01-03 01:12 PM

Almost every human being is absolutely brilliant about one or two things in life.

Almost every human being is familiar, to one degree or another, with a few more things in life.

Every single human being is completely ignorant about most things in life.

The trick is knowing into which category you fit on any given thing in life.

It is also important to remember that the half of all knowledge is to know where to find knowledge.

#86 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-03 01:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#78

Sorry Orwell, but fascism was a fuzzy term to begin with:

"Nevertheless, historical priority does not seem to me a sufficient reason to explain why the word fascism became a synecdoche, that is, a word that could be used for different totalitarian movements. This is not because fascism contained in itself, so to speak in their quintessential state, all the elements of any later form of totalitarianism. On the contrary, fascism had no quintessence. Fascism was a fuzzy totalitarianism, a collage of different philosophical and political ideas, a beehive of contradictions. Can one conceive of a truly totalitarian movement that was able to combine monarchy with revolution, the Royal Army with Mussolini's personal milizia, the grant of privileges to the Church with state education extolling violence, absolute state control with a free market? The Fascist Party was born boasting that it brought a revolutionary new order; but it was financed by the most conservative among the landowners who expected from it a counter-revolution. At its beginning fascism was republican. Yet it survived for twenty years proclaiming its loyalty to the royal family, while the Duce (the unchallenged Maximal Leader) was arm- in-arm with the King, to whom he also offered the title of Emperor. But when the King fired Mussolini in 1943, the party reappeared two months later, with German support, under the standard of a "social" republic, recycling its old revolutionary script, now enriched with almost Jacobin overtones."

-Umberto Eco "Ur-Fascism"

Is it any wonder such a mass of contradictions finds resonance with a dizzying plurality of positions, movements, and persons, that both leftists and rightists try to lay claim to it?

#87 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:20 PM | Reply

#87.

When I was a kid I called my parents fascists for making me cut the lawn. Those --------.

#88 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 01:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You guys might find the rest of Eco's essay with a read:

www.pegc.us

#89 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 01:27 PM | Reply

--When I was a kid I called my parents fascists for making me cut the lawn. Those --------.

I can relate. We called our high-school teachers, and especially the principal, "fascists."

#90 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 01:32 PM | Reply

Hans,

I think the wisest people know how much they don't know.

#91 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-03 01:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#90 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

In college one bathroom on campus had "Father Laughton is a f---ing fascist" scratched into a stall. Underneath someone else scratched "define fascist".

I imagine you're like the first vandal, angry and dumb with no clue what you're talking about.

#92 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 01:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

These days people use the word fascism as a synonym for authoritarianism. Authoritarianism exists in spades on both the right and the left.

#93 | Posted by JeffJ at 2019-01-03 01:55 PM | Reply

"The strategic adversary is fascism... the fascism in us all, in our heads and in our everyday behavior, the fascism that causes us to love power, to desire the very thing that dominates and exploits us."

-Michel Foucault

#94 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 02:02 PM | Reply

-Michel Foucault

lol

I'll take Orwell over the postmodern leftist drivel of Foucault.

www.orwell.ru

#95 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 02:06 PM | Reply

Of course you will. Whatever confirms your prejudices.

#96 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 02:11 PM | Reply

"Here are the results from a 2006..."

So you can't even find one from the past decade?

"So Nulli's 18% is accurate within the social science field, but not academia-wide."

Looks like Nulli's cherry-picking amongst the cherry-picked. And even then, math isn't on his side.

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-03 02:24 PM | Reply

#97. The article that cited the study is from 2015. No, I didn't look for anything more recent. Does it matter? Do you expect the data would be much different? If so, how? More or fewer Marxists? By how much?

#98 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 02:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#95

Leave it to an Englishman of that era to prattle and moan about the lack of linguistic clarity and precision, like a man so concerned with polishing his spectacles he never actually looks at anything.

#99 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 02:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

I'd rather see something not self-reported. Nulli is proof most of the morons he's referring too have no clue what Marxism is.

#100 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 02:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Almost every human being is familiar, to one degree or another, with a few more things in life. Every single human being is completely ignorant about most things in life."

"'Everybody's ignorant...just on different subjects."
~Will Rogers

#101 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-03 02:38 PM | Reply

--Leave it to an Englishman of that era to prattle and moan about the lack of linguistic clarity and precision, like a man so concerned with polishing his spectacles he never actually looks at anything.

Yeah, Orwell got shot fighting in the Spanish Civil War. What are your accomplishments other than teacher's assistant to a Marxist professor?

#102 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 02:40 PM | Reply

"Orwell got shot fighting in the Spanish Civil War..."

I prefer writers who weren't shot.
~DJT

#103 | Posted by Danforth at 2019-01-03 02:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

100 Indie, re: self-reporting

I'm not sure how the data could otherwise have been collected with regard to the subjects' political philosophies.

#104 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 02:46 PM | Reply

I think Nulli just invented a new informal fallacy: appeal to bodily injury!

If we are playing those sorts of games, both Foucault and Eco lived under actual fascist systems.

#105 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 02:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#104 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

Ask them questions that reveal what they actually think, not what group they wish to be a part of.

A political compass test that shows them were they are based on their answers would be more meaningful than asking them where they think they reside on the compass.

#106 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 02:48 PM | Reply

www.orwell.ru - #95 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 02:06 PM

.ru?

.ru is the Latin alphabet Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the Russian Federation introduced on April 7, 1994.
Нулифидиан - это то, что известно как полезный идиот. Товарищ Путин очень гордится своей малышкой бабушкой.

#107 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-03 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 2

Whether one likes it or not, free speech includes nazi speech. It also includes Israeli Zionist speech, Palestinian rule, Sons of Confederate veterans, and LGBTQZDPF groups.

#108 | Posted by e1g1 at 2019-01-03 02:51 PM | Reply

#106. Interesting.

#109 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 02:53 PM | Reply

#108 | POSTED BY E1G1

Now if we can just get those nazis to understand the difference between being allowed and being tolerated then we could finally get the nullis of the world to stop crying about being treated fairly according to their beliefs.

#110 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 03:00 PM | Reply

These days people use the word fascism as a synonym for authoritarianism. Authoritarianism exists in spades on both the right and the left.

#93 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2019-01-03 01:55 PM | REPLY

en.wikipedia.org

Right wing authoritarianism is a very well documented thing. Left Wing Authoritarianism is a unicorn.

#111 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What are your accomplishments other than teacher's assistant to a Marxist professor?

#102 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 02:40 PM | Reply

You go first.

#112 | Posted by Zed at 2019-01-03 03:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Left Wing Authoritarianism is a unicorn.

Laughable. Your weapons-grade ignorance of history is noted.

#113 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-03 03:05 PM | Reply

#112

I take it Dulli likes experts again, but only on Thursdays now.

#114 | Posted by Corky at 2019-01-03 03:06 PM | Reply

Left Wing Authoritarianism is a unicorn.

Laughable. Your weapons-grade ignorance of history is noted.
#113 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Liberal authoritarianism? Sounds like an oxymoron.

What? Did they force everyone to enjoy their lives and accept one another? Allow one another to live freely and peacefully? Avoid wars, use diplomacy. Fed the hungry. Housed the homeless?

What an awful world. No classism. No rich or poor. Just people working together to benefit everyone. Altruistic leaders who care more about other than themselves.

How awful!

Nulli prefers conservative authoritarianism. Where youbhave to do exactly what you're told. Look the way you're told. Dress the way you're told. Marry who you're told. Pray to who you're told. Only consume what you're told. Where wars are commonplace. Poverty is rampant. Science doesn't exist. And everyone who doesn't fall in line is sentenced to death.

#115 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-03 03:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

No classism. No rich or poor. Just people working together to benefit everyone.

Such a world will never exist. Humans are too competitive.

Someone will always have more than someone else.

#116 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-03 03:42 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

115

He didn't say "liberal"; he said "Left Wing." That's not the same thing.

#117 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#107

OMFG! You did it! The first true confirmation I've seen that Nulli is actually a Ruskie! I mean, we all knew it instinctively, but thank you Hans for pointing that out. I actually missed that while reading his post. I usually skim past his trolling posts and wonder why people even engage him.

That's beyond newsworthy!

#118 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-01-03 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Andrea - do you even read the links you posted? The first one even says it in the title MISTAKENLY - it means it was a mistake and they were restored.
No .. even with no violation of ToS ....
YouTube's New Moderators Mistakenly Pull Right-Wing Channels

Again the first one even says it in the title MISTAKENLY - it means it was a mistake and they were restored and it was for violations. Or is this conspiracy theory land and you don't accept their reason?

YouTube Struggles With Advertisers Vs. Conservative Voices Conflicts
And we are back to the same issue cited by YouTube from your first link. With a couple others thrown in. Most responsible brands don't want linked to the kind of channels that were outlined. What is also happening is PEOPLE are making complaints about channel content and bringing up TOS. I mean we are talking about people like Alex Jones. BTW I know the have shut him down now but FTA: "YouTube reprimanded InfoWars for its stance on so-called "crisis actors," claiming a video posted to the Alex Jones Channel violated its community standards.
YouTube Community Standards
Community Guidelines Strike Basics

PATREON PUSHED BY MASTERCARD TO BAN ACCOUNTS IN ‘TERRIBLE PRECEDENT'
MASTERCARD is demanding the change and not some "left leaning social media site". It is really about how the site takes payment and how they are trying to move away from Mastercard so they can keep people like Robert Spencer... But they are banning people in the meantime to keep functioning. Yet the article talks about conspiracy theories and not fact from the banned. And if you read it all it talks about how other Transaction and Payment services have effectively harmed the business of other sites.
And I want to be clear about the type of people I talk about when I say right wing d-bags. Alex Jones is top of the list – you can fill in others. I don't think everyone with some conservative views is a d-bag. Those that sell hate, misinformation and hypocrisy are though.

Nothing to do with ToS.... I would add ToS isn't applied judiciously, but with extreme bias.
Everything to do with them!!!! Why do you think this? What actual proof do you have of this? I am not going to deny that it has hit the right wing harder than left wing but the business of selling FUD has been perfected by the right over the last 30 odd years. I used to be very much a conservative until I opened my eyes.

Galaxie its happening .. once the left leaning social networks, find reasons, doing it with your type of justification (RW Dbags), nothing will stop them from applying in even larger scale.
Come on what is Jones? Anyone selling FUD through lies and disinformation should be shut down. Anyone who is sewing unrest for the sake of profits as well is a blight on society. If you are selling FUD don't be slanted about it be real - think scientists talking about global warming. NOTE: SCIENTISTS
I am not going to say nobody ever gets it wrong - humans get it wrong every day and I understand that because I am an understanding person for the most part and I deal with people's mistakes non-stop. But to say there is some sort of conspiracy against legitimate conservative voices I disagree. Extremism is a blight and that is what to many of these voices are preaching.

And let us not forget how Conservatives have fallen into the lies, disinformation and propaganda spread by the Russians (and others) on Social Media. I used to be a member of the NRA but not in over 30 years because I saw where things were going. After these latest revelations that they conspired with a Russian oligarch to influence the 2016 election I can't understand why conservatives aren't in a rage against the organization AND the Russians.

#119 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 03:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

Such a world will never exist. Humans are too competitive.

Someone will always have more than someone else.

#116 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2019-01-03 03:42 PM | FLAG:

Self-serving reasoning (and I use the term loosely), if ever I've seen it.

#120 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 03:54 PM | Reply

He didn't say "liberal"; he said "Left Wing." That's not the same thing.

I generally consider left wing vs right wing to be liberal vs conservative.

But I'm open to hear your definition of left wing and right wing.

#121 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-03 04:00 PM | Reply

#120

Dirk, I don't usually agree with Boaz, but in this case, and only this case, I don't think he is wrong. Even if somehow Capitalism was done away with, there will always be someone with more who will use it to amass even more.

#122 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-01-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#120,

Rich and poor is the natural evolution of humans, Dirk.

In order for it to be no rich, no poor, everyone working for each other, it's going to have to be enforced and it's going to have to be ruthless. Everyone's worth isnt the same to the collective. Eventually, those that are keeping the collective running are going to feel underappreciated.

No one is going to take one for the team at the expense of their own family.

#123 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-03 04:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The first true confirmation I've seen that Nulli is actually a Ruskie!" - #118 | Posted by ND_Perspective at 2019-01-03 03:48 PM

Seriously.

Searching for "George Orwell," Google returned about 44,700,000 results in 0.58 seconds.

It even returned George-Orwell.org as one of the first results.

The .ru result doesn't even show up in the first 10 results.

Curious that it was Нулифидиан's go-to source.

#124 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-03 04:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

"Rich and poor is the natural evolution of humans..." - #123 | Posted by boaz at 2019-01-03 04:03 PM

No it isn't.

Humans were making crude stone tools some 2.5 million years ago.

The concept of money dates back to around 5,000BCE.

There was plenty of "natural evolution of humans" long before wealth and money was even an idea.

#125 | Posted by Hans at 2019-01-03 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Rich and poor is the natural evolution of humans, Dirk."

Oppressors always naturalize their oppression, Boaz. Rich over poor. Men over women. Whites over blacks.

#126 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 04:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

115

He didn't say "liberal"; he said "Left Wing." That's not the same thing.

#117 | Posted by Karabekian

You are correct. They are often used synonymously but they are totally different.

#127 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 04:16 PM | Reply

"I think Nulli just invented a new informal fallacy: appeal to bodily injury! "

LOL

#128 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2019-01-03 04:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 3 | Newsworthy 1

#123 | Posted by boaz

For once I wholeheartedly agree with you. Living in such a world would IMHO not be "fun" - it would indeed be cruel. People are too unique and flawed for such a world to exist.

#129 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 05:59 PM | Reply

#125 | Posted by Hans

I agree - but what rich comes down to is power. The powerful rule over those less so. Power comes in many forms and Money is indeed a form of power.

#130 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2019-01-03 06:02 PM | Reply

#125 | POSTED BY HANS

BOAZ is wholly wrong in his competitive evolution theory. We actually evolved as a cooperative species. 5000 years ago they couldn't even put together the idea that a baby resulted from the sex you had 9 months ago. Because of this, tribalism was huge as the males did not know some offspring were theirs and others were not. Babies just came to the tribe at the will of the gods. No way to know which child belonged to which father. So humans took care of the entire tribe.

#131 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Living in such a world would IMHO not be "fun" - it would indeed be cruel. People are too unique and flawed for such a world to exist.

How sad what little faith you have in humanity.

I expected it from Boaz.

#132 | Posted by ClownShack at 2019-01-03 06:47 PM | Reply

131. Not exactly:

slate.com

#133 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 07:00 PM | Reply


He didn't say "liberal"; he said "Left Wing." That's not the same thing.

www.quora.com

#134 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2019-01-03 07:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Adults do have to be protected from other peoples opinions.
#3 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT"

"#3 Damn dude. Does mean we have to execute everyone on the left? That's a little harsh. Can't we just get them some job training and take them to see edgy comedians like George Carlin or Robin Williams?
#7 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT"

"#7 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2019-01-02 05:16 PM | Reply | Flag: Can't English worth a damn."
#8 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT"

Dude having a conversation with himself?

#135 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2019-01-03 07:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#134

Cool. I like that Liberalism is dead-center on that graph.

#136 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 07:27 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Such a world will never exist. Humans are too competitive.

Someone will always have more than someone else.

#116 | Posted by boaz

Not true. Such a world did exist and could exist again.

Archeologists have found the ruins of cities in South America where there were no defensive structures. No evidence of a warrior class or a ruing class or any kind of class distinction. No one "owned" more than his neighbor. And no one went hungry either.

Even your sacred texts tell you this is possible.

So now you don't believe in them?

#137 | Posted by donnerboy at 2019-01-03 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Cool. I like that Liberalism is dead-center on that graph.

#136 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

Really emphasizes how stupid American politics are; where people think its just a Left/Right spectrum.

#138 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 07:48 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

No, inclusiveness does not include people who would kill you out of racial, ethnic, religious or any other kind of hatred. Inclusiveness does not include Nazis.

#139 | Posted by moder8 at 2019-01-03 07:49 PM | Reply

#133 | POSTED BY KARABEKIAN

I may be wrong about them correlating sex and birth, but in prehistorical, orgiastic societies, they still weren't going to know which kid is fathered by whom -- which again leads to the "take care of the tribe" mentality.

#140 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-03 07:50 PM | Reply

140. Sorry, I meant to include this cnn article about how humans differentiated themselves from our primate cousins by becoming monogamous (however imperfectly) early on. Here it is:

www-m.cnn.com

#141 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 07:57 PM | Reply

#138. I was once a leftist in a pretty big way. I am now a centrist/liberal with a bit of personal-libertarianism thrown in. Mostly, I am a cynic, though; I don't much believe in politics, as such.

#142 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 08:00 PM | Reply

#143

Ah yes, another "recovering liberal." This forum seems to collect them.

#143 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-03 08:29 PM | Reply

#143

Extremism is a drag, Right or Left. The Center of liberalism suits me just fine at my age. Where do you find yourself on ID-97's graph in #134?

#144 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-03 09:09 PM | Reply

NO.

#145 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-04 01:37 AM | Reply

#108
it doesn't include hate speech.
#dcpa

#146 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-04 01:41 AM | Reply

...so it depends on what the ------- nazi says.

#147 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-04 01:43 AM | Reply

Interesting personal test...

www.politicalcompass.org

#148 | Posted by Idependant97 at 2019-01-04 06:10 AM | Reply

#148 | Posted by Idependant97, Interesting survey, I hit the center, which surprised me.
#147 | Posted by ichiro So, what I have seen anyone is the term Nazi get applied to anyone who disagrees with a leftist.

#149 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 07:06 AM | Reply

--The first true confirmation I've seen that Nulli is actually a Ruskie!

No, but I do enjoy reading Dostoevsky while drinking a White Russian. Does that count?

#150 | Posted by nullifidian at 2019-01-04 09:40 AM | Reply

it doesn't include hate speech.
#dcpa

#146 | POSTED BY ICHIRO AT 2019-01-04 01:41 AM | FLAG:

It's legal under the 1st Amendment, so to be tolerant, you have to tolerate it.

The "paradox of tolerance" is just moral relativism so somebody identifying themselves as "tolerant" can escape the cognitive dissonance of their intolerance. News flash for those people, it's okay to be intolerant sometimes. Just call it what it is and stop lying to yourself.

#151 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2019-01-04 09:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

•••k those nazis! FULL STOP

#152 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2019-01-04 10:29 AM | Reply

#141; FTA: "'The modern monogamous culture has only been around for just 1,000 years,' says Kit Opie, an evolutionary anthropologist from University College London."

---- Sapien is a lot older than 1000 years.

#153 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-04 12:09 PM | Reply

Indie, that reference further explains that culturally modern monogamy is related to the institution of marriage as we know it. Practical monogamy seemed to be the trajectory as we split from other primates. Early humans knew a lot more than they are given credit for. Even other apes have a pretty good idea about what makes babies, and why problems can arise with unbridled polyamory. You'll find that there are constraints against ------ among apes, for instance. Polygamous, orgiastic societies would face all procreative and social ills - and have.

But the point is taken that small, homogenous societies are much better at understanding the "it takes a village" approach to communal cohesiveness.

#154 | Posted by Karabekian at 2019-01-04 12:26 PM | Reply

#154 | Posted by Karabekian The essence of your argument I believe is the eternal debate between collectivist vs individualist philosophy. Collective orientation leads to authoritarianism, individualism taken to it's natural end is anarchy. The only safeguard against a government becoming authoritarian is limits placed upon it by the governed.

#155 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 01:01 PM | Reply

#155

Yeah, that's about the level of nuanced political theory I would expect from someone who learned the topic sitting in a trench as part of an occupying army...

#156 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 01:08 PM | Reply

Collective orientation leads to authoritarianism,
#155 | POSTED BY DOCNJO

How is that? Unless you're counting documents like the Constitution as authoritarians.

#157 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-04 01:20 PM | Reply

#156 | Posted by DirkStruan I did not sit with cowards who hide behind a key board. Coming from you, I consider it a complement. Actually a combat zone is a very good place to learn politics. As warfare is the ultimate expression of governmental power.
#157 | Posted by IndianaJones Do note that the Constitution was not ratified until limits on the national government was placed upon it. Remember those first ten amendments?

#158 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 01:29 PM | Reply

#158

You flew from responsibility and thought and did what you were told... but I am the coward? I wonder what I was supposed to have been afraid of...

But never mind. With such a classroom, no wonder your views are so skewed. You mistake force for power and think the ultimate expression of government activity is blowing people up!

#159 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 01:41 PM | Reply

#159 | Posted by DirkStruan As your hero Mao stated with absolute certainty, "Political power issues from the mouth of a gun." All government eventually comes down to an individual with a gun telling you what to do or not do. Now for my own situation, I knew that the invasion of Iraq would turn out well. But I had a chose, I could go to prison or continue to support my family. Sorry but a SSG would not make much of a splash as he is processed into Leavenworth. Now if a couple dozen Generals had said hell no, that might have made the news. That did not happen. You forget the level of blood lust the people of this country had post 9-11.

#160 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 02:01 PM | Reply

#160

You do realize that the line you quote is in the context of the socialist revolution, right?

As for your story, presumably no one made you enlist in the first place...

#161 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 02:25 PM | Reply

#161 | Posted by DirkStruan ALL governments have two things in common, the legal use of deadly force and the control of the governed. Don't accept that? Try not paying your taxes. Eventually you will find yourself encountering a man with a gun. BTW, that IRS agent is armed.

#162 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 03:04 PM | Reply

#161

You are being vague again. What do legal use of deadly force and control of the governed mean in the context of a democratic society?

#163 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 03:11 PM | Reply

Classic: when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

#164 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 03:12 PM | Reply

Classic: when you have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
#164 | Posted by DirkStruan

Or in trumptilian world every problem looks like a brown skinned skull.

#165 | Posted by truthhurts at 2019-01-04 03:15 PM | Reply

#163 | Posted by DirkStruan Last time I looked, every cop has a gun, every department of government has armed guards, and they can operate this way because they have our consent, for now. Have no doubt, nothing is stable. The country could go more right, and the country could drift more left. But eventually someone will overstep and face deadly consequence. Tyranny does not offer much of a retirement plan. Most end up against a wall or in exile. Revolutions are caused by injustice, regardless what the ideology of those in power.
The most valuable right we have is to be left alone as much as possible. Individuals resent cohesion. They are much more content when they have at least the illusion of a degree of individual sovereignty. We should always allow people to believe obnoxious ideals. Allow those obnoxious ideals out on the playground of public discourse. The obnoxious generally get beat up.

#166 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-04 03:35 PM | Reply

"Posted by DirkStruan Last time I looked, every cop has a gun, every department of government has armed guards, and they can operate this way because they have our consent, for now."

Thanks Second Amendment!

"Have no doubt, nothing is stable."

Least of all you!

"But eventually someone will overstep and face deadly consequence."

So your plan for social correction is "eventually someone goes too far and gets killed." Sounds like a recipe for a nice, healthy society. /snark

"The most valuable right we have is to be left alone as much as possible."

Since when is that a right?

"Individuals resent cohesion. They are much more content when they have at least the illusion of a degree of individual sovereignty."

Nonsense. People are cooperative animals.

"The obnoxious generally get beat up."

Or, in your model, shot up.

#167 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 03:45 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

People are cooperative animals.
#167 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

I think we figured it out -- conservatives are not people.

#168 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2019-01-04 05:12 PM | Reply

In theory?

Maybe.

In Practice?

LOL good luck including people who think willful mass murder of children is acceptable.

#169 | Posted by Tor at 2019-01-04 07:35 PM | Reply

#149 uh, no. you may not advocate for murder....

#151 wrong again. see above.

...cheap shot bs readings, both.

#170 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-04 08:27 PM | Reply

#155 that's called Democracy. ...good lord.

#171 | Posted by ichiro at 2019-01-04 08:31 PM | Reply

#144

Belated answer to your question:

Economic Left/Right: -7.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62

So, libertarian left.

#172 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2019-01-04 08:39 PM | Reply

considering the Holocaust, the war in Russia and in Europe conducted by the Nazis then no, iclusiveness does not include pschopaths aka Nasis. They should be shot on sight. evil incarnate should not be welcomed or normalized. Those people need to be killed.
I know, many will find that offensive but most of you actually know it's true.Nazis have no place in modern society and the only cure for Nazism is to kill them.

#173 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-04 09:25 PM | Reply

Not just kill them, but kill every last one of them. Hell yeah! Death to Nazis. Absolutely! Kill every last one of them, wipe that scourge from the planet. I know, doesn't sound liberal, kill all of them, kill all of them. What if someon had been able to convey that idea in 1938? Kill Nazis! Kill Nazis. Kill Nazis.

#174 | Posted by danni at 2019-01-04 09:29 PM | Reply

Nazis are a cancer on the human race and just like cancer must be removed from the body politic for it to be healthy

#175 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2019-01-04 11:27 PM | Reply

175 | Posted by hatter5183 I agree, and we should consider anyone embracing a political philosophy that has murdered more than five times that of the Nazis even more repugnant. Marxism is worse. Socialism is Marx lite.

#176 | Posted by docnjo at 2019-01-05 06:41 AM | Reply

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