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Associates are pressured to "make rate," with the rate number increasing and decreasing depending on the season's demand. The warehouse's current packing rate is 240 boxes an hour, Ibrahin says, but it's gone as high as 400. Associates are penalized if they fall behind this rate; they can get a write-up from a manager if they are too slow, which can lead to them being terminated.

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Capitalism.

Fleas come with the dog...in more ways than one.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-16 05:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Find another job with an employer who prioritizes religion over business. Problem solved.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-16 05:59 PM | Reply

I'm sure Nullifidian must be pulling our leg, there's no way he supports religious discrimination and bigotry by those liberal elites at Amazon.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 06:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

#3 It feels weird to me that Christian churches get labeled as hate groups for not supporting abortion or believing in traditional marriage, but Muslim groups (and it's almost of them) do not. I'll never forget the day when Corky showed me a page from the SPLC that said that if you hated communism, you where ant-Semitic because communism was a Jewish conspiracy. That frigging floored me.

#4 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-12-16 08:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#2 ... Find another job with an employer who prioritizes religion over business. Problem solved. ...

At what point do you think an employer should tell an employee to find another job because the employer no longer wants to accommodate the religion of the employee?

(serious question)

#5 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-16 08:39 PM | Reply

#4 Link or it didn't happen.

#6 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-16 08:48 PM | Reply

"Christian churches get labeled as hate groups for not supporting abortion or believing in traditional marriage"

Someone's desperate for attention.

#7 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Its the same system many medical practices use in this country. 30 patients a day or you are terminated. $250 average fee per patient. $50/hour for the nurse practitioner, so $500/day for her and $7000/day for the clinic.

#8 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-16 10:25 PM | Reply

#1 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2018-12-16 05:39 PM | REPLY: Funny thing about that is that Bezos is an anti-Trump liberal ; )

#9 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-12-17 12:29 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

before both sides agree to the employment. seriously

#10 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-12-17 03:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#9 | POSTED BY MSGT

Bezos is anti trump but not particularly anti trump policies. he's certainly not a liberal

#11 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-12-17 03:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

go get another job, free country! at least for now

#12 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-17 09:18 AM | Reply

At what point do you think an employer should tell an employee to find another job because the employer no longer wants to accommodate the religion of the employee?
(serious question)

#5 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-12-16 08:39 PM | REPLY

It's in the employee handbook and/or employment contract. The employee has to decide for themselves if that is adequate.

#13 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 10:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

go get another job, free country! at least for now

#12 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2018-12-17 09:18 AM | REPLY

Part of what keeps the country free is the prohibition of discrimination, including against religious practice.

#14 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 10:50 AM | Reply

Damn, I guess they should quit working for amazon.

#15 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-17 11:00 AM | Reply

Damn, I guess they should quit working for amazon.

#15 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2018-12-17 11:00 AM | FLAG:

Or Amazon should become more tolerant.

#16 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 11:13 AM | Reply

Or Amazon should become more tolerant.

#16 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

That's kinda weird. I can pray any time anywhere. Not that anyone is listening but me.

No one has the technology to stop me from talking to me... yet.

Apparently Islam is too flawed a philosophy to be able to navigate the intricacies of real life.

#17 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-17 11:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"That's kinda weird. I can pray any time anywhere."

Good for you. Not everyone prays the same way, however.

"Apparently Islam is too flawed a philosophy to be able to navigate the intricacies of real life."

Blaming the victim of discrimination, like the "tolerant" person you are.

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 11:35 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#13 ... It's in the employee handbook and/or employment contract. ...

So, let's say an employee is working in a bakery and is given the task to decorate a cake for a gay wedding.

The employee refuses to do so, citing Christian beliefs religious grounds.

The employee handbook says that the employee must do the job.

Is it then OK to fire the employee?

#19 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-17 11:47 AM | Reply

If it's a once a week Friday prayer Amazon should accomodate if it's 5x a day they want good luck with that. No job will give you that.

#20 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-12-17 12:00 PM | Reply

Is it then OK to fire the employee?

#19 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-12-17 11:47 AM | FLAG:

Morally, yes, but consult the legal department first.

#21 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 12:11 PM | Reply

As a practical matter, to save hassle, if that employee is very good and gay cakes are a tiny, tiny % of your business, then you re-task the employee and do it yourself.

#22 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 12:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

It seems like between the 15 minute breaks you get every 4 hours plus lunch, there's time to pray. It's not an unreasonable accomodation in my opinion to have Amazon schedule those at prayer times.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-17 12:16 PM | Reply

"The Asr prayer starts when the shadow of an object is the same length as the object itself (or, according to Hanafi fiqh[citation needed] , twice its length) plus the shadow length at zuhr, and lasts till sunset. Asr can be split into two sections; the preferred time is before the sun starts to turn orange, while the time of necessity is from when the sun turns orange until sunset."

I don't see Amazon setting a schedule around that.

#24 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 12:20 PM | Reply

A billion or so people manage to set a schedule around it just fine.

Unless Amazon has some kind of disability, Amazon can do it too.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-17 12:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trying to think of the large US corporations that base employee schedules on Mosque prayer calls and shadow lengths.

I'm at 0.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 12:40 PM | Reply


@#22 ... you re-task the employee and do it yourself. ...

Retask?

The employee is refusing to do the job.

Why shouldn't employment should be terminated.

#27 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-17 12:41 PM | Reply

The employer is refusing to follow the law. Why shouldn't they be terminated?

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-17 12:43 PM | Reply

"Trying to think of the large US corporations that base employee schedules on Mosque prayer calls and shadow lengths.
I'm at 0.
#26 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG"

Keep trying then.

Do you also not know of businesees that close at sundown on Friday?

#29 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-17 12:44 PM | Reply

I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster and he says I have to pray the entire time I'm at work. The Constitution says an employer can't favor one religion over another. Can Amazon fire one of us and not the other? Both? Neither? How about when FSM says I have to get special meals?

This isn't entirely facetious. Once an employer is required to accommodate one religion they have to accommodate all of them. FSM isn't any sillier that Scientology, Catholicism, or Islam.

"A religion is just a cult with more members and better publicity."

#30 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-12-17 12:50 PM | Reply

#30

Slippery slope fallacy. Try again.

#31 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 12:58 PM | Reply

The employee is refusing to do the job.
Why shouldn't employment should be terminated.

#27 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER AT 2018-12-17 12:41 PM | FLAG:

It's not a binary situation. Their chances of termination is variable, lining up with the value of their skilled labor and value of the work they're refusing, relative to the amount of business they say they are morally forbidden from doing.

If your business is all gay cakes, they're fired. If it's 1 in 1,000, they're probably going to stay unless they're already a ------ employee.

#32 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 01:01 PM | Reply

Trying to think of the large US corporations that base employee schedules on Mosque prayer calls and shadow lengths.

I'm at 0.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg

When I worked at Halliburton as a pipefitter we had rules for religious accommodation. When I worked with Muslims they had prearranged prayer times that they were not payed for.Made for an xtra smoke break for us secular types.Seventh day Adventists always blew off Saturdays.

#33 | Posted by Scotty at 2018-12-17 01:09 PM | Reply

No one said that Amazon isn't allowing them to do their praying. They are saying that if they do, they cannot keep up with the requirements to get X amount of work done.

Sounds like the employee has a choice, pray and work harder, or find other employment. But Amazon is not setting a policy that targets these employees.

#34 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-12-17 01:14 PM | Reply

I worked in a Muslim owned business. No accommodations, not even for the holy rollers in the owner's family. I worked in an Saudi Aramco building for awhile, no accommodations there either.

I did get to see a fist fight break out between a holy roller and his not-so-pious cousin after a Snap On calendar was put up. It almost ended in murder when the holy roller lost the fight and threw a Camry lower control arm at a Cuban who couldn't stop laughing at how retarded it was.

#35 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 01:14 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"That's kinda weird. I can pray any time anywhere."

Good for you. Not everyone prays the same way, however.

"Apparently Islam is too flawed a philosophy to be able to navigate the intricacies of real life."

Blaming the victim of discrimination, like the "tolerant" person you are.

#18 | Posted by DirkStruan

I have no problem with Islam. But, if you work for me you are working for me. Not Allah or the spaghetti monster or anyone else. Talk to them on your own time. I can't help it if your particular brand of nonsense requires you to stand on your head and insert rectal probes to be able to communicate with your "higher power". However, I don't have to provide --------- and I do not have to provide a time or place for you to stand on your head.

#36 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-17 02:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"But, if you work for me you are working for me. Not Allah or the spaghetti monster or anyone else."

Bet your tune would change if you worked for someone who, say, required prayer.

#37 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 03:00 PM | Reply

Doesn't Amazon know, you got to pray just to make it today?

That's word, we pray(pray)
Ah, yeah, pray(pray) we got to pray
Just to make it today
I said we pray(pray) ah, yeah, pray(pray)
We got to pray
Just to make it today
That's word, we pray

- MCHammer.

#38 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-17 03:08 PM | Reply

FTA:

Ibrahin, who works a 12-hour night shift from 5:30 pm to 6 am

That's the real issue. They don't get any breaks. There are mass complaints at Amazon from workers who don't even get bathroom breaks.

#39 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar at 2018-12-17 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

They get a break. It's enough time to walk to the bathroom and back, but not actually use it.

#40 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-17 04:58 PM | Reply

Bet your tune would change if you worked for someone who, say, required prayer.

#37 | Posted by DirkStr

"required prayer"

Fine pray. I am not stopping you.

I do not have to adapt my office to your religion.

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-17 07:24 PM | Reply

"required prayer"

If your religion requires you to wear sandals and a robe you are not going to make it as an astronaut.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-17 07:26 PM | Reply

"Fine pray. I am not stopping you."

You are if you fire them for doing it.

Anyway, you missed the point: if an employer required all his employees to pray once a day, you'd be up in arms. Or am I wrong?

#43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 07:45 PM | Reply

You are if you fire them for doing it....if an employer required all his employees to pray once a day, you'd be up in arms. - #43 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 07:45 PM

If an employer required all of their employees to pray once a day, then the employees would weigh the pay vs the requirement to appear to be praying. They'd make their own choice about how to act. I've no qualms allowing the worker and employer to come to an agreement about how to handle their employer/employee relationship.
No employee is or has been fired for adhering to their religion's requirement to pray. The prayer just makes it more difficult to fulfill the requirements of the job. It is not the duty of the employer to lower the requirements of the job to satisfy the prayer obligations of the religion.
In the absurd: If your religion requires that you remain motionless for 23 hours a day, you're not going to fare well in the job market. But no one is going to prohibit your exercising it (could remaining motionless for 23 hours really be considered exercising your religion? =)

#44 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-12-18 08:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The afternoon prayer takes no more than 5 minutes.

In Somalia it ..apparently... takes half a day. LOL

Tell the lady to get another job... or become a hooker. It's what Somali women end up doping anyway so why waste time?

#45 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-12-18 09:13 AM | Reply

Somalis in America complain that dogs can't get in their cabs when they are working as taxi drivers. They can't handle pork (packed in plastic) when bagging groceries....

I don't know what kind of "islam" these people are practicing but judging by the pain they are putting themselves and others through and by their close proximity to Saudi Arabia, I bet it's some kind of off-shoot of Wahabi.

#46 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-12-18 09:17 AM | Reply

It's enough time to walk to the bathroom and back, but not actually use it.

If it's THAT bad, I'd rather flip burgers than work at such a place.

#47 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-12-18 09:19 AM | Reply

"become a hooker. It's what Somali women end up doping anyway"

Someone wants to get suspended again for his racism.

#48 | Posted by Tor at 2018-12-18 09:26 AM | Reply

Anyway, you missed the point: if an employer required all his employees to pray once a day, you'd be up in arms. Or am I wrong?

#43 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Aren't churches considered employers? Then there are employers that "require" you to pray. Am I "up in arms" over that? No.

If you want to work for them that is your right. If you don't want to work for them that is also your right.

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-18 10:21 AM | Reply

"The biggest jerk employer you can work for, is yourself"..... James Yeager.

#50 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-12-18 10:50 AM | Reply

Find another job with an employer who prioritizes religion over business. Problem solved.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian

If it was a Chreestian employee you'd be bitching Bezos is a librul who's violatin' their raaaaaats.

Your conversion the caricature "Conservative" is so complete you've become a southern redneck in my mind.

#51 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-18 11:08 AM | Reply

If it's a once a week Friday prayer Amazon should accomodate if it's 5x a day they want good luck with that. No job will give you that.

#20 | Posted by byrdman

Shockingly, given the right context, the right doesn't actually believe in religious freedom.

They're more than willing to give their corporate idols greater sway than a religion they find distasteful.

But when I do the same for their religion which I find distasteful? LOL I'm a bigoted -------.

#52 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-18 11:25 AM | Reply

Trying to think of the large US corporations that base employee schedules on Mosque prayer calls and shadow lengths.

I'm at 0.

#26 | Posted by sitzkrieg

Or maybe they just don't make a stink about it?

Then again, I'm realizing you probably think children should be working in coal mines so your opinions is worth less than dick.

#53 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-18 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Part of what keeps the country free is the prohibition of discrimination, including against religious practice.

No one is stopping anyone from practicing their religion in this nation. You can pray at home. You can go to a church or whatever and do it there.

The problem with Islam is, everyone is trying to appear pious. To show everyone else that is not muslim what they are doing. There is no protected right to be pious or to make it a big show. No one is stopping anyone from doing their religion. How much of a burden you put on other people to "show" you being faithful to your religion is the issue. I think outside of church or your home, the "stopping from religious practice" should stop.

The religion prohibition in the constitution only applies to the United States of America declaring a national language and saying all others are moot. It doesn't apply to you making it hard for me to not notice you doing your religion.

#54 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-18 11:42 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

applies to the United States of America declaring a national ***religion***

#55 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-18 11:43 AM | Reply

Then again, I'm realizing you probably think children should be working in coal mines so your opinions is worth less than dick.

#53 | POSTED BY JPW AT 2018-12-18 11:26 AM | FLAG:

Only if they're a minority.

#56 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-18 11:58 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

Ok that's funny.

#57 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-18 12:06 PM | Reply

#54 until it's about a Chreestian manger, then it's a librul war on Jeebus.

#58 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-18 12:08 PM | Reply

"How much of a burden you put on other people to "show" you being faithful to your religion is the issue. I think outside of church or your home, the "stopping from religious practice" should stop."

Good on you!

So you do believe that there is no place for religion in the government sphere. No Ten Commandments in court houses. No visible praying in school. No bible classes or proselytizing on school property.

No tax breaks for churches, no promotion of one faith over another by the government. Which also means no religious holidays.

Ideally there should be no expression or considerations of Religious faith whatsoever in the Public sphere but then how would you spread your myth to others?

Think you are ready for that? I am. You are not.

#59 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-18 12:46 PM | Reply

you don't know me donner. So don't start projecting your liberal hate to me.

I say there should be no religion at the national level. If a state wants the 10 commandments, they can have it in their state houses. If a local school wants to have kids pray, and the local community is ok with it, it should be allowed. I agree there should be no bible classes or proselytizing on school property unless it's a private, religious school.

Churches can still have tax exemption. Our government doesn't promote one religion over another now. And I have no problem with religious holidays.

how would you spread your myth to others?

The same way you spread your liberal myth, but you liberals control the media anyway.

#60 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-18 01:00 PM | Reply

The problem with Islam is

And here we go.......

#61 | Posted by J_Tremain at 2018-12-18 01:08 PM | Reply

You are right, Tremain,

Reposted as: The problem with religion is:...

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-18 01:15 PM | Reply

"If a state wants the 10 commandments, they can have it in their state houses. If a local school wants to have kids pray, and the local community is ok with it, it should be allowed.

No they should not. I said "should not". No government in the US has any business promoting any state religion.

"Our government doesn't promote one religion over another now."

LIAR

Why does the US have a paid Chaplain for Congress($162,000 a year!).

When was the last time this position was filled by a Muslim or a Scientologist? I could give you a thousand examples. None of which would convince you of anything.

The same way you spread your liberal myth, but you liberals control the media anyway.

#60 | Posted by boaz

Liberalism is what got us to where we are today. It's not a myth unless you think America itself is a Myth.

"but you liberals control the media anyway." Pretty sure you have no idea what the words "liberal" or "media" even mean. Every time you speak of liberals or the media you are only spouting talking points given to you by the profgessional agitators at Fox.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-18 01:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the thread where cancervative posters who are aghast over employers making pharmacists fill a birth control pill will suddenly discover the reality of employment at will.

#64 | Posted by 726 at 2018-12-18 01:36 PM | Reply

If this were Christians getting fired for wearing crosses or saying "Bless you," the usual rightists would be up in arms.

#65 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-18 03:26 PM | Reply

"Aren't churches considered employers?"

Not what I am talking about, but you know that. How about a furniture store or ice cream parlor or pharmacy?

#66 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-18 03:27 PM | Reply

Tough

#67 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-18 05:44 PM | Reply

Your analogies have been horrendous and the latest is no better.

If someone wearing a cross kept them from doing their job, then I'd say they should take it off or be fired.

#68 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-12-18 06:19 PM | Reply

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