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Friday, December 14, 2018

Obamacare was struck down by a Texas federal judge in a ruling that casts uncertainty on insurance coverage for millions of U.S. residents. The decision Friday finding the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional comes just before the end of a six-week open enrollment period for the program in 2019 and underscores a divide between Republicans who have long sought to invalidate the law and Democrats who fought to keep it in place.

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Trump is having a great old time on Twitter celebrating the potential for millions of people to lose their health care.

It's even better fun than killing kid's lunches, colluding with Russia, or paying off hookers before an election.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-14 10:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Thank God most of us got to keep our doctors and original plans way back when Obama promised that we could.

#2 | Posted by Spork at 2018-12-14 10:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Racist bigotry is what this is all about. NOTHING more.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-14 11:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 1

I can see the know nothings have opined. Typical of the peanut gallery

#4 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-14 11:14 PM | Reply

Raising uncertainty? Please, tell me what was certain about it?

Racist bigotry is what this is all about. NOTHING more.
#3 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

You need a new Magic 8 Ball.....

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-14 11:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You need a new Magic 8 Ball.....

POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS AT 2018-12-14 11:17 PM | REPLY

Typical mindless dribble from Andrea. Not surprising.

#6 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-14 11:26 PM | Reply

Racist bigotry is what this is all about.

You base your opinion on what? Have you read the court's opinion or did you just spit out your own form of bigotry?

#7 | Posted by et_al at 2018-12-14 11:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"Thank God most of us got to keep our doctors and original plans way back when Obama promised that we could."

You're right: that was a real dumbass thing to say.

Now, that said, and Obama aside...are you for folks getting health care, or getting left out in the cold in favor of more tax cuts for the planet's wealthiest?

#8 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-14 11:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Raising uncertainty? Please, tell me what was certain about it?

Ok. Since it seems you were born yesterday or have a piss poor highly selective memory.

It was more "certain" than what you had.

It was also more certain than what you'll get when the insurance companies regain full unregulated control of what they will cover.

Again.

It was also way more certain to than "Repeal and Replace". (70 failed attempts)

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-14 11:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

From the introduction to the opinion:

Here, the Plaintiffs allege that, following passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 (TCJA), the Individual Mandate in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) is unconstitutional. They say it is no longer fairly readable as an exercise of Congress's Tax Power and continues to be unsustainable under the Interstate Commerce Clause. They further urge that, if they are correct, the balance of the ACA is untenable as inseverable from the Invalid Mandate.

Resolution of these claims rests at the intersection of the ACA, the Supreme Court's decision in NFIB, and the TCJA. In NFIB, the Supreme Court held the Individual Mandate was unconstitutional under the Interstate Commerce Clause but could fairly be read as an exercise of Congress's Tax Power because it triggered a tax. The TCJA eliminated that tax. The Supreme Court's reasoning in NFIB -- buttressed by other binding precedent and plain text -- thus compels the conclusion that the Individual Mandate may no longer be upheld under the Tax Power. And because the Individual Mandate continues to mandate the purchase of health insurance, it remains unsustainable under the Interstate Commerce Clause -- as the Supreme Court already held. www.google.com

I missed the racist bigotry, can you find it for me?

#10 | Posted by et_al at 2018-12-15 12:00 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

I missed the racist bigotry, can you find it for me?
#10 | POSTED BY ET_AL

It's Texas. Racist Bigotry shouldn't be too hard to find.

#11 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-15 12:20 AM | Reply

#7 oh please, counselor. you can feed yourself!

#12 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-12-15 12:45 AM | Reply

are you for folks getting health care

#8 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Its the law ... or at least it was .... how could you not, but am I getting more healthcare per dollar? No ...

Thanks for asking.

It was more "certain" than what you had.

Nope, I had healthcare via my employer, only now it continues to cost me out of pocket more and more ... but thanks for asking

It was also way more certain to than "Repeal and Replace". (70 failed attempts)
#9 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Once you break it, you bought it.....

Racist Bigotry shouldn't be too hard to find.
#11 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY

Spoken like someone thats never been to Texas.

California is the most racist state in the union ...

#13 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-15 12:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-but am I getting more healthcare per dollar?

Don't you know that it's all about mAndrea, not about people who can't afford health care like kids, seniors, and the poor people who pay for her tax cuts?

#14 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-15 12:50 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Scumbag Texas Judge, I hope he rots in hell.

Texas just needs to secede from the US already.

#15 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-12-15 01:17 AM | Reply

"Thank God most of us got to keep our doctors and original plans way back when Obama promised that we could."

Most of us did liar. I absolutely know I did liar.

#16 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-15 07:14 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And so, let me understand this completely. Republicans will celebrate the loss of healthcare insurance for millions? What do you idiots think the affect that will have on the arguments for Medicare for all? We should change the Medicare for All campaign to "MEDICARE FOR ALL F**K Y** REPUBLICANS!" You hate everyone anyway so who cares what you think?

#17 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-15 07:17 AM | Reply

Per the article ...

... the American Medical Association called the decision "an unfortunate step backward for our health system."

Some health-care law experts were quick to critique the judge's reasoning and predicted the ruling will be overturned.

"We know what Congress' intent was in 2017 -- that was to pull the individual mandate while keeping the rest of ACA intact," University of Michigan law professor Nicholas Bagley said. "Now we have a judge saying we have an unenforceable mandate. This whole thing is bonkers."


Even the AMA is for Obamacare.

The AMA used to be against any form of regulation, but they've come around. Why? Because of the facts ...

Top Ten Reasons Why Healthcare Costs Are Rising
www.youtube.com
[16:05 – 21:35]

1. Population growth and aging
2. Uncontrolled proliferation of technology
3. Increasing chronic care demands
4. Direct to consumer marketing of healthcare products and services
5. Restriction of managed care practices
6. Legislative healthcare mandates
7. Consolidation of healthcare providers
8. Rising liability insurance costs
9. Excessive demand ("Consumptive Society")
10. Care variation from best evidence (i.e. poor quality)

#18 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-15 07:37 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

O'Connor's laughable reasoning

The premise of O'Connor's opinion in Texas v. United States is that Congress' decision to repeal a single provision of the Affordable Care Act necessarily requires the courts to repeal the entire law. O'Connor justified this result through a two-step argument -- the first part of which is plausible but largely academic, and the second part of which is laughable.

... In NFIB v. Sebelius, the Supreme Court held that this individual mandate is a valid exercise of Congress' power to tax. Seven years later, the Trump tax law effectively repealed this individual mandate. Though the 2017 legislation leaves in place most of the Affordable Care Act's language establishing an individual mandate, it reduces the amount of the tax to zero -- rendering the mandate a nullity.

The first step of O'Connor's argument claims that this lifeless husk of a mandate is unconstitutional. This is the least ridiculous part of O'Connor's opinion, but the consequences of this part of his decision should be nonexistent. Congress already stripped the mandate of any real effect, and the practical impact of a court decision striking down a law that does nothing should be nothing.

But O'Connor's opinion then takes a turn away from legal reasoning and into partisan cosplay. When a court strikes down part of a statute, it often must ask whether other, constitutional provisions of the law must fall along with the unconstitutional provision. But such speculation is unnecessary in a case such as Texas, because Congress already answered this question. The Republican Congress spent much of 2017 debating how much of the Affordable Care Act to repeal. In the end, they only had the votes to repeal one provision, the individual mandate, and so that's what they did.

Even if you assume that O'Connor is correct that the inert mandate is unconstitutional, he does not need to speculate which other provisions Congress would have wanted to strip away because Congress already answered this question. In the Trump tax law, Congress effectively repealed the individual mandate while leaving the rest of Obamacare intact. That's conclusive evidence that Congress preferred to leave the rest of Obamacare intact.

IOW, if this observer's read of this case is correct, this opinion will effectively be overturned on appeal in the near future if the appellate courts or SCOTUS follows its own decree:
(T)he Supreme Court specifically instructed judges not to cut too deeply into federal laws when they conduct a severability inquiry. As the Court explained in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association, "in order for other ... provisions to fall," the Murphy held, "it must be ‘evident that [Congress] would not have enacted those provisions which are within its power, independently of [those] which [are] not.'"

O'Connor ignores Congress' clearly expressed intent and constructs a fantasy world where Congress intended an entirely different result. Congress stated that " the Individual Mandate is ‘essential' to the ACA," O'Connor writes -- a fact that is partially true about the law Congress passed in 2010. It's also an irrelevant fact because the 2017 Congress has the power to reach a different conclusion.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-15 07:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Thank God most of us got to keep our doctors and original plans way back when Obama promised that we could."

Most of us did liar. I absolutely know I did liar.

#16 | POSTED BY DANNI

I didn't get to keep my doctor. She retired!

So Obama obviously lied.

Though I am not sure why Obama lying would even matter anymore.

Haven't we established by now that Lies are not wrong? Lying well is Good! Lying badly is Wrong! (Also up is down and War is peace).

If you lie real good and believe your own lies (kinda like sniffing your own farts) and get everyone else to sniff your farts and love them then lying is good! It's how you get things done!

You don't like Reality anymore? Lie. Make it what you want it to be.

#20 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-15 08:53 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

I am so glad that evil Obamacare is finally dead.

Why do we need Obamacare if we have the ACA? If that Kenyan Born Muslim Obama had never got involved and tried to implement Sharia Law things would be just fine and Sporky would still have a doctor.

#21 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-15 09:02 AM | Reply

From the introduction to the opinion

We all know how little you care about prefatory statements; why regurgitate one from a shopped judge here?

At the end of the day, a severability analysis asks what hypothetical law Congress would have passed had they known the individual mandate is unconstitutional. We already know the answer to that question - in 2017 Ciongress debated at length which provisions of Obamacare to repeal, and the only thing they repealed was the fine for not following the individual mandate.

There are at least three SCOTUS judges who will agree with any anti-Obamacare theory regardless of how poorly reasoned it is, so i hope you don't take your eventual 6-3 or 5-4 loss as any sort of vindication.

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-15 09:18 AM | Reply

ACA has already been deemed constitutional by SCOTUS. Who does this Republican clown judge think he is? Roberts, provided the deciding the ACA is a tax and taxation is legal.

#23 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-15 09:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is the thread where people who cheer Obama judges in Hawaii and California that rule against Trump on immigration policy and travel restrictions whine about "judge shopping" and "Texas judges."

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-15 09:52 AM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

This is the thread where Nulli avoids discussing the merits of anything and resorts to lame, tired personal "hypocrisy" attacks.

So basically every thread ever.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-15 11:01 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Activist far-right judges and their equals merely want poor people and those dependent on Government assistance to DIE!!

MAGA

#26 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-12-15 11:15 AM | Reply

#25 - Russians be STUPID.

#27 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-12-15 11:16 AM | Reply

Racist bigotry is what this is all about. NOTHING more.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr

Racist? what is racist about me not wanting to pay for someone elses health care?

#28 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-15 11:24 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And so, let me understand this completely. Republicans will celebrate the loss of healthcare insurance for millions?

#17 | Posted by danni

Tell me ddan, how many did NOT have healthcare rhe last year o'bummer was in office?

#29 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-15 11:29 AM | Reply

from keiser health care.

Key Facts about the Uninsured Population

Published: Dec 07, 2018
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The Affordable Care Act (ACA) led to historic gains in health insurance coverage by extending Medicaid coverage to many low-income individuals and providing Marketplace subsidies for individuals below 400% of poverty. The number of uninsured nonelderly Americans decreased from over 44 million in 2013 (the year before the major coverage provisions went into effect) to just below 27 million in 2016. However, in 2017, the number of uninsured people increased by nearly 700,000 people, the first increase since implementation of the ACA. Ongoing efforts to alter the ACA or to make receipt of Medicaid contingent on work may further erode coverage gains seen under the ACA. This fact sheet describes how coverage has changed in recent years, examines the characteristics of the uninsured population, and summarizes the access and financial implications of not having coverage.

#30 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-15 11:32 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

44 million, minus 27 million is a decrease in non-elderly without healthcare of 17 million. 17 million morepeople have healthcare as a result of Obamacare.

You're apparently worried about the 700,000increase. The first increase (decline) in those that were covered. That is when Trump came in, cut the advisors, but the navigators, cut the advertisement and the PSAs.

Even with all that, of 17,000,000 million non-elderly people having health insurance due to Obamacare, that number only dropped to 16,300,000 million. The difference being those 700,000.

So I'm not sure what you are trying to point out.

#31 | Posted by YAV at 2018-12-15 11:46 AM | Reply

Even with all that, of the 17,000,000 million non-elderly people that were previously uninsured, and are now insured.

That's a hell of a drop - from 44 million uninsured to 27 million - hence the words "historic gains in health insurance coverage."

#32 | Posted by YAV at 2018-12-15 11:49 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

NY AG Underwood @NewYorkStateAG

Millions upon millions of Americans rely on the #ACA for their healthcare. We'll continue to fight in court for New Yorkers and all Americans.

To all the Americans who are feeling scared right now, wondering how they're going to survive: I am thinking of you. I am working for you. We are going to do all we can.
6:06 PM - 14 Dec 2018

#33 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2018-12-15 11:53 AM | Reply

If you support republicans you support making life absolute ---- for everybody who's not in the tops 5%.

They've stopped hiding it long ago and the idiots who support them are still believing the bs they've been spoon fed that it's the Dems fault.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-15 12:37 PM | Reply


Reading through Pres Trump's tweets on this ruling, it seems he is looking to replace Obamacare with something quite similar to the ACA.

#35 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-15 12:56 PM | Reply

Reading through Pres Trump's tweets on this ruling, it seems he is looking to replace Obamacare with something quite similar to the ACA.
#35 | Posted by LampLighter

And knowing trumptilian childishness, I would bet it is most of the benefits of Obamacare without any measures for paying for them.

#36 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-15 01:14 PM | Reply

"For ideological reasons"

What's amazing to me is people who think of themselves as good people can find ideological reasons to deny people health insurance.

What ideology takes precedence over the health and welfare of the nation?

#37 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 02:00 PM | Reply

"I missed the racist bigotry, can you find it for me?"

Did you try looking for the "disparate racial impact" when the law is construed?

#38 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Racist bigotry is what this is all about. NOTHING more.

#3 | Posted by LauraMohr

Another racist, screaming racism where there isnt any. Dont do us blacks any favors, "Laura".

Stay in your lane, we will tell you when there is racism about.

#39 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:19 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

What's amazing to me is people who think of themselves as good people can find ideological reasons to deny people health insurance.

What's amazing to me is people who, for ideological reasons, go looking for that "extra" money to pay for things people should be paying for themselves so they can offer it in exchange for a vote.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:21 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

BTW, I'm happy about this. Label it what it really is. A Tax.

And if we want single payer healthcare, then lets do it. Make an EXTRA tax so EVERYONE feels the pain of paying for it. a flat percentage of EVERYONE's income. Period. No deductions. If we must have this for our citizens, then ALL citizens, those who will benefit, will pay for it.

There is no other fair way.

#41 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:28 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

I missed the racist bigotry, can you find it for me?
#10 | POSTED BY ET_AL

What were you expecting? "Cause Obama is a black man." Written in all bold capitals as the reason?

You sure you're a lawyer?

Or is playing stupid you're new shtick?

#42 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 03:31 PM | Reply

Boaz has diarrhea of the mouth again. Poor dear.

#43 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-15 03:31 PM | Reply

BTW, I'm happy about this.
#41 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I like how you felt the need to express this. As if anyone here doubted for a moment how much you loathed Obama and everything he did and stood for.

Thanks for your consistency, Uncle Ruckus.

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

loathed Obama and everything he did and stood for.

He went about everything he did wrong.

Thanks for your consistency, Uncle Ruckus.

---- you Bitch. You are racist just for using the term.

#45 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Boaz does a good job demonstrating he cares more about his taxes than he health and welfare of our nation.

Boaz, did you join the military just for the health care, is that it?

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 03:39 PM | Reply

"You are racist just for using the term.
#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Baby killers don't get to complain about being called names.

Congratulations, you built that!

#47 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 03:41 PM | Reply

"He went about everything he did wrong."

Nope. Wrong. False. You hate him for his politics.

"You are racist just for using the term."

I thought racism was just an excuse. Make up your mind.

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-15 03:44 PM | Reply

"And if we want single payer healthcare, then lets do it. Make an EXTRA tax so EVERYONE feels the pain of paying for it."

Boaz, do you really not understand that tax would be less than the cost of private sector health insurance premiums?

You're basically saying you wouldn't buy health insurance from the government, because you'd rather pay double to buy it from Wall Street.

#49 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 03:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You loathed Obama and everything he did and stood for.

He went about everything he did wrong.

Oh. I know. You posted relentlessly about how much you hated Obama for eight years.

A Black man doesn't belong in the White House.

Thanks for your consistency, Uncle Ruckus.

---- you Bitch. You are racist just for using the term.
#45 | POSTED BY BOAZ

Fffk me for being racist? Fkkk you for being a racist. You stupid POS. You must not realize when you post shht on the DR everyone reads it and remembers it. You're the most hateful poster on the DR. You're angry. Obsessive. And dangerous.

Your daily cry's for civil war are delusional. Your disdain for your fellow Americans, especially black Americans, is appalling. Your vicious hate towards the LGBT is worrisome.

You need a psychiatrist.

#50 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You're basically saying you wouldn't buy health insurance from the government, because you'd rather pay double to buy it from Wall Street.

This is exactly what he's saying. Even though he's too stupid to realize it.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz, do you really not understand that tax would be less than the cost of private sector health insurance premiums?

Evidently you cant read. I said lets do single payer. I'm for it. But your little statement above is false. If that was the case, this would have been implemented decades ago. So, obviously, it must be false.

#52 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:56 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

You need a psychiatrist.

You need a life. You act surprised when I lash back out at you when you insult me? And I'm just supposed to sit here and take it?

Oh yea, ---- you.

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 03:57 PM | Reply

OT

Even conservatives are shocked at how wrong the latest anti-Obamacare ruling is

Ted Frank is director of litigation and senior attorney for the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the fossil fuel industry-backed conservative organization behind the last major unsuccessful challenge to Obamcare, King v. Burwell. On Friday, he reiterated his opposition to the law, but called this ruling an "embarrassingly bad decision."

Writing for the libertarian Volokh Conspiracy at Reason, Jonathan H. Adler wrote that O'Connor's decision comes to a "surprising result, and one that is hard to justify."

Peter Suderman, an editor at Reason, called the case "weak" and predicted it will be overturned.

Christopher Jacbos, a contributor for The Federalist whose bio notes that he was a policy adviser for the House Republican Conference under then-Chairman Mike Pence during the Obamacare debate, also expressed his distaste for both Obamacare and the ruling. Noting that Congress opted to repeal only the individual mandate penalty, he argued that "the courts should have deferred to that," and mocked O'Connor for relying on "A DISSENT in [the first unsuccessful Obamacare challenge] for Pete's sake."

#54 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-15 04:02 PM | Reply

You act surprised when I lash back out at you when you insult me? And I'm just supposed to sit here and take it?

Not at all Uncle.

What I was surprised at was your feigned offense at being (correctly) compared to Uncle Ruckus.

You two have the same exact outlook towards black people. Obama. White people. And life in general.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Evidently you cant read. I said lets do single payer. I'm for it."

Boaz for single payer?

I find this hard to believe.

Boaz, you think government can run health insurance better than the private sector? Really? What led you to that conclusion?

#56 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 04:02 PM | Reply

"And I'm just supposed to sit here and take it?"

Turn the other cheek isn't in your bible, huh? Are you sure you aren't just reading Ayn Rand?

#57 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-15 04:06 PM | Reply

But your little statement above is false. If that was the case, this would have been implemented decades ago. So, obviously, it must be false.

You can't implement a socialist health plan in capitalist America.

But that doesn't make what Snoofy wrote wrong.

You pay more for private health insurance than you would for government health insurance.

For private health insurance you're also paying to support the company providing you the insurance and for everyone to work there. The CEO's mansions and yachts and vacations.

Plus there big pharmaceutical who can currently overcharge for medicine and supplies simply because they want to and can.

It's really that simple.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-15 04:07 PM | Reply

"But your little statement above is false. If that was the case, this would have been implemented decades ago. So, obviously, it must be false."

Now that's one of the stupidest arguments against single payer I've heard yet.

But it's nice that you're trying to think, all by yourself, without the training wheels.

Keep at it!

#59 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 04:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Racist bigotry is what this is all about. NOTHING more. #3 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR AT 2018-12-14 11:05 PM |
You really think the judge paid any attention to the race of the president who signed the bill when determining that this part of it is unconstitutional?

#60 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-12-15 06:26 PM | Reply

This is the thread where Nulli avoids discussing the merits of anything and resorts to lame, tired personal "hypocrisy" attacks.

So basically every thread ever. -#25 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-15 11:01 AM
If there's enough hypocrisy that Nulli can point it out in every thread ever...shouldn't that tell you something?

#61 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-12-15 07:06 PM | Reply

you two have the same exact outlook towards black people.

Actually, I dont. Uncle Tom/Ruckus was on the side of the master, the one who was oppressing and slaving.

I'm against the one who is oppressing and enslaving, the democrats.

I'm for my black race all day.

#62 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 07:16 PM | Reply | Funny: 4

"If there's enough hypocrisy that Nulli can point it out in every thread ever...shouldn't that tell you something?"

Yeah, it should tell you that Nullifidian is a huge fan of the Tu Quoque logical fallacy.

And, apparently, so are you.

#63 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 07:20 PM | Reply

Fd up to see Americans celebrate their fellow citizens not being able to have health care

#64 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-15 07:26 PM | Reply

You can't implement a socialist health plan in capitalist America.

You can implement anything if it's paid for.

#65 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 07:28 PM | Reply

You pay more for private health insurance than you would for government health insurance.

And there's a quality difference too.

#66 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 07:29 PM | Reply

"Uncle Tom/Ruckus was on the side of the master, the one who was oppressing and slaving.
I'm against the one who is oppressing and enslaving, the democrats"

LOL

Republicans are overwhelmingly non-Hispanic white, at a level that is significantly higher than the self-identified white percentage of the national adult population. Just 2% of Republicans are black, and 6% are Hispanic.
Seventy percent of Americans who identify as independents are white, but independents have the highest representation of Hispanics (16%) of the three groups. Eight percent of independents are blacks.
Democrats remain a majority white party, but four in 10 Democrats are something other than non-Hispanic white. More than one in five Democrats are black, roughly twice the black representation in the adult population.
news.gallup.com

#67 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 07:30 PM | Reply

"You pay more for private health insurance than you would for government health insurance.
And there's a quality difference too.
#66 | POSTED BY BOAZ"

Yeah, the private sector quality is a little worse.
not that quality really varies that much.
The issue ins't the quality of care, it's the lack of access to care for those without insurance.

#68 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 07:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"Fd up to see Americans celebrate their fellow citizens not being able to have health care."
Yep.

Conservatives in other parts of the world don't want to take away their fellow citizens health insurance. Well, maybe in the UK. But not in any country that doesn't drink the Capitalist Kool-Aid.
It's not considered a left thing or a right thing to insure everyone.
Just the right thing.

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 07:35 PM | Reply

The issue ins't the quality of care, it's the lack of access to care for those without insurance.

The same could be said for any other service that you have to pay someone for.

#70 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 07:47 PM | Reply

"The same could be said for any other service that you have to pay someone for."

I mean, I guess.
We wouldn't be able to send criminals to prison without paying cops and lawyers and judges and prison guards.
Doctors get paid.
Trump's sex partners get paid.
That kind of thing.

What's your point?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 08:14 PM | Reply

What's your point?

Cmon Snoofy, you are smarter than that, you should be able to figure it out.

#72 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-15 09:11 PM | Reply

You need to borrow some money?

#73 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-15 09:13 PM | Reply

anyway, please delete my #12, it's stupid and not very xmassy. sorry, et_al.
Happy Holidays!

#74 | Posted by ichiro at 2018-12-15 11:18 PM | Reply

Boaz is still pretending to be black? That's cute.

#75 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-15 11:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

" but am I getting more healthcare per dollar? No ... "

Did your health insurance costs go up 131% in the last decade?

They did the decade prior.

#76 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-16 01:15 AM | Reply

Boaz is still pretending to be black? That's cute.

He's easily as black as Nulli is liberal.

#77 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-12-16 01:44 AM | Reply

I'm for my black race all day.
#62 | POSTED BY BOAZ

And I love you, CC.
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#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 02:46 AM | Reply

I havent seen this many white democrats talk down to a black man since the 60s.

#79 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-16 09:30 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I havent seen this many white democrats talk down to a black man since the 60s."

This is the liberal racist talk that created Boaz.

#80 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-16 10:06 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This thread is based on one decision by one judge. It won't really kill Obamacare, it will most likely force Republicans in Congress to support Obamacare. Losing healthcare for half of their constituents will not sell well.

#81 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-16 10:14 AM | Reply

I am not a racist and I don't pretend Boaz is white. Boaz is a respectable black man with his own opinions and honestly I have known and respected men who thought similarly. I don't always agree with him but I do respect him.

#82 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-16 10:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Danni,

I concur. I've know you on this blog for many years. I do respect your opinion. Sometimes, you do go off the rails though :).

We do agree on alot of things, just not how to get there. But that gives me hope that these things will get done.

#83 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-16 10:32 AM | Reply

I sincerely hope you are right. Healthcare is a basic necessity and a rich nation OWES it to their population or else the wealthy should not feel safe.

#84 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-16 10:42 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Boaz is still pretending to be black? That's cute.

#75 | POSTED BY JOE

I don't care if Boaz is black white or albino. Boaz is an idiot. But it's probably because he was an Army snowflake and drank the Army koolaide and is unable to think for himself anymore.

For example:
"And if we want single payer healthcare, then lets do it. Make an EXTRA tax so EVERYONE feels the pain of paying for it. a flat percentage of EVERYONE's income"

Why does anyone have to "feel the pain" ? If anyone needs to "feel the pain" it's the ones who are preventing us from moving forward as a union of United States.

The world is changing. This is not the 1780s. There is a whole class of humans that are becoming irrelevant to capitalism. The nature of the coming Infotech and Biotech revolution is literally making a whole class of humans irrelevant. How are they to survive if the rest of us don't help them?

And what Boaz, do you think this will do to the Welfare of our Union when this number grows so large that the ruling class can no longer "manage" them?

As for myself, I pay nearly $20,000 in healthcare including premiums deductibles and meds etc. I would gladly see that money go to a single payer and eliminate the Insurance Companies useless overhead leeching off the misery of Americans. That is one industry that needs to go.

The ACA was not perfect. But in the current political climate it was a huge step forward for America. One we should continue to improve upon. Not destroy out of self hate.

#85 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-16 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Why does anyone have to "feel the pain"

Nothing given away is valued. And if you have to pay for something, you appreciate it more.

#86 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-16 09:01 PM | Reply

"And if you have to pay for something, you appreciate it more."

How about if retired military pay for their health insurance? It'll cut down on the national debt.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply

AND you'll appreciate it more.

#88 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply

As for myself, I pay nearly $20,000 in healthcare including premiums deductibles and meds etc. I would gladly see that money go to a single payer and eliminate the Insurance Companies useless overhead leeching off the misery of Americans. That is one industry that needs to go.

QFT

#89 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply

And what Boaz, do you think this will do to the Welfare of our Union when this number grows so large that the ruling class can no longer "manage" them?

There will always be more poor than providers. And there will always be a Democrat/liberal snakes to whip them up to "revolution".

What will it do? Just make everyone poor at the same time.

#90 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-16 09:03 PM | Reply

"What will it do? Just make everyone poor at the same time."

Everyone's poor in Canada, seriously?

You're not even trying to make sense any more, Boaz.

#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 09:26 PM | Reply

I don't care if Boaz is black white or albino

Considering the fact that he uses his alleged black ess as an excuse to slander the entire black race on a daily basis, i do. But you're right that he's an idiot who is beyond help.

#92 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-16 09:53 PM | Reply

slander the entire black race on a daily basis

Holding members of my race accountable isnt slandering anyone.

#93 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-16 09:56 PM | Reply

Boaz, you hold black people accountable for being so poor by saying it's because they're so lazy.

That's where the racism comes in.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 09:59 PM | Reply

There are poor, violent white people too. I don't go online every day and whine about how terrible they are. I look for ways to help them. I don't need a government paycheck to do something for my country.

#95 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-16 10:18 PM | Reply

"I don't need a government paycheck to do something for my country."

Presuming Boa joined because he needed a job, there's nothing wrong with that.

What's wrong, though, is thinking you deserve a parade or you're some kind of hero because you got a job.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-16 10:54 PM | Reply

"Nothing given away is valued."

Not a very Christian sentiment.

#97 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-17 10:54 AM | Reply

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