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Friday, December 14, 2018

President Donald Trump is out of options, according to Richard Painter, the former chief ethics attorney for President George W. Bush. "It's quite clear his goose is cooked here," he said Wednesday on MSNBC. Painter said the three-year prison sentence handed down on Wednesday to Michael Cohen, Trump's former longtime personal attorney, should be a warning sign to the White House. "If the lawyer gets three years, how much time should the client get?" he asked.

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"Painter added that Cohen's crimes don't even include any allegations related to Russia, currently the subject of special counsel Robert Mueller investigation.

He said Trump has just one way out to protect himself and his family: a comprehensive plea deal to federal and state charges in exchange for his resignation.

"Donald Trump is in serious trouble. His lawyers ought to be telling him to negotiate a plea deal," Painter said. "Get him out of the White House. Have him resign, plead guilty to lower charges and let's move on as a country."

See his full discussion, above, which begins about 5½ minutes in.

Later, on Twitter, Painter called it "The Art of the Plea Bargain," a not-so-subtle reference to Trump's book The Art of The Deal, and he urged Trump to act fast."

"The Art of the Plea Bargain".... gotta love that.

#1 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

But, but, Stormy Horseface

---- rightoecentre

#2 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-12-13 03:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Is it possible? Could America get a really good Christmas present this year?

Could Santa bring us plea bargained resignation?

We can only put some NothingBurgers and milk by the fireplace and hope!

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:52 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Is it possible? Could America get a really good Christmas present this year?

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12

Could the simple coward Donald Trump overtake and vanquish the mentally ill Donald Trump?

Possible, but I'm not hanging my hat on it.

#4 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-13 04:03 PM | Reply

Stormy just had to pay Trump a quarter million for losing her defamation case. And none of this happened during Trumps term. Obama had a dozen NDA's, Hillary about half that. And what was the evidence for RussiaGate? And who did the salacious innuendoes come from?

But I love you guys anyway. Keep up the good crazy. It's why I come here.

We got him now.

#5 | Posted by HeliumRat at 2018-12-13 04:06 PM | Reply

"Get him out of the White House. Have him resign, plead guilty to lower charges and let's move on as a country."

Put up the scaffold, then we can move on.

I can't think of a better person to water the Tree of Liberty than draft-dodging patriot President Donald J. Trump.

#6 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-13 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Is it possible? Could America get a really good Christmas present this year? -- Corky

Are we sure we really want a President Pence for Christmas? Would the House flipping to Dem be enough to restrict his craziness? As much as I am DONE with Trump I am a bit worried.

#7 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-13 04:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump has a history of dragging out legal proceedings until he has no choice but to settle.
What is different now is that he isn't stiffing rubes at TrumpU or subcontractors that built his buildings, or even his casino bankers and investors. This time he owes the Russian mob money and favors. His kids are in danger. Resigning wont save them.

#8 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-13 04:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

- Are we sure we really want a President Pence

Why, hell yes! No one would pay any attention to him even if they did notice he was there, he wouldn't have one chance in a million of winning his party's nomination, much less the Presidency... and we would be rid of the Human Dumpster before he decides it's time to become a War President for the re-election campaign.

Historically speaking, we only have until August "product roll-out" time in 2021.

#9 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 05:18 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

- Are we sure we really want a President Pence

There's never going to be a President Pence, Michael Flynn guaranteed that over a year ago. There may very well be a President Pelosi though, shocking as that may sound.

Pence is neck-deep in the nexus of Russia/sanction removal and foreknowledge that Flynn and many others involved with the transition team were negotiating with Russians prior to the inauguration. He repeatedly lied about such contacts. Paul Manafort personally chose Pence to be Trump's VP and together they pulled a ruse on him - claiming that his plane had mechanical issues while in Indianapolis - so that Pence had a full evening and night to schmooze Trump into picking him. This was not happenstance, someone outside the campaign made this decision and Manafort carried it out.

My guess is that Mueller has slow-walked quite a bit of his disclosures on the now reality of the Democrats wresting control of at least one chamber of Congress so that his work couldn't be buried by GOP intransigence and complicity. If Mueller has conclusive proof that Trump committed multiple crimes (including using the assistance of a hostile foreign power) in order to be elected - only to then use the Constitution's lack of foreseeing someone quite as corrupt as Trump gaining the power of the office - to shield himself from facing prosecution, even Republican senators not caught up in the coming Russian campaign finance scandals will have to fall in line to oust this president and VP without having the time nor the political juice of replacing Pence beforehand, ergo President Pelosi.

The moral illegitimacy and constitutional mockery of what the GOP/RNC has been up to before, during and after the 2016 election will be breathtaking and earth-shattering when it's revealed. There will be no stomach - outside of the hardest of the hardcore GOP apologists - to allow them to salvage the Executive branch due to the breath of their corruption in illicitly obtaining its power in the first place.

#10 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-13 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

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There's no time to do a 2 fer for impeachment Tony. You will only get maybe 1 impeachment and that would be Trump not Pence.

#11 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 06:27 PM | Reply

#11 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

This is what I am thinking, as well as there is no way that Senate Republicans vote to remove Pence knowing it leaves Pelosi. They will work with what they can.

#12 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-13 06:43 PM | Reply

#11

You misread me. There won't be any impeachment. The weight of the evidence will make what's left of the GOP force Trump and Pence to resign in lieu of prosecution or worse, just like Nixon. Once the Senate head count publicly reaches 67, why would the GOP insist putting the nation through an impeachment and Senate trial that will highlight its own criminal conspiracies?

My feeling is that when political gravity crashes into the reality of the voluminous, incontrovertible evidence, that chemical reaction will do all the work, the Constitution won't have to.

#13 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-13 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA

I get what you are saying now, although I dont expect Trump to resign. He believes that his base would be devastated at his loss and riot in the street.

#14 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-13 06:46 PM | Reply

This is what I am thinking, as well as there is no way that Senate Republicans vote to remove Pence knowing it leaves Pelosi. They will work with what they can.

POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO AT 2018-12-13 06:43 PM | REPLY

Let me put it this way. I'll be a sexy thin girl long before Trump is impeached and convicted(An impeachment alone does no good. It requires a conviction afterwards.) In other words we are stuck with Trump unless he resigns which is highly unlikely to happen.

#15 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You misread me. There won't be any impeachment. The weight of the evidence will make what's left of the GOP force Trump and Pence to resign in lieu of prosecution or worse, just like Nixon. Once the Senate head count publicly reaches 67, why would the GOP insist putting the nation through an impeachment and Senate trial that will highlight its own criminal conspiracies?
My feeling is that when political gravity crashes into the reality of the voluminous, incontrovertible evidence, that chemical reaction will do all the work, the Constitution won't have to.

#13 | POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-12-13 06:44 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You're wishing in one hand and schitting in the other Tony. Your hand with schitt will fill up first before you get your wish.

#16 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 06:49 PM | Reply

Everything that was done only makes sense if you first allow that Trump wasn't really trying to get elected, he was trying to make money through his campaign and the contacts and notoriety it afforded him. His goal was to further Trump Inc. and he was willing to do whatever the Russians suggested so he could get what he wanted most: Trump Tower Moscow and the continued financial support of Putin and his oligarch's billions. The presidency was a means to an end: enriching Trump.

This is why the GOP Senators will abandon him when all the details become public. Trump sold out America, he sold out our Constitution and adherence to the rule of law, all for his own personal gain of wealth. When that becomes unmistakable, his political support will collapse, imo.

That is why there won't need to be any impeachment. Pence wasn't in to win, he was in for whatever scraps or purpose his champions offered him. He was going to get trounced here in Indiana in his re-election campaign for governor in 2016, the GOP knew it. No one liked him but for a small minority even in this red state. Trump was his lifeline and that is why he became a robotic sycophant as Trump's sidekick. Somewhere down the line, Pence was promised a payoff too.

#17 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-13 06:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Are we sure we really want a President Pence for Christmas?

As an alternative to Trump? Any day of the week, IMO.

#18 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-12-13 06:59 PM | Reply

#16 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

It's simply my read of the facts as I see them Laura, iow a prognostication. More than likely it'll be wrong, but at minimum I've supported my conclusion with actual reasons why I think so.

In the end, what will be will be, but I think it's fun to speculate based on things hidden in plain sight.

#19 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-13 07:00 PM | Reply

This is why the GOP Senators will abandon him when all the details become public. Trump sold out America, he sold out our Constitution and adherence to the rule of law, all for his own personal gain of wealth. When that becomes unmistakable, his political support will collapse, imo.
That is why there won't need to be any impeachment. Pence wasn't in to win, he was in for whatever scraps or purpose his champions offered him. He was going to get trounced here in Indiana in his re-election campaign for governor in 2016, the GOP knew it. No one liked him but for a small minority even in this red state. Trump was his lifeline and that is why he became a robotic sycophant as Trump's sidekick. Somewhere down the line, Pence was promised a payoff too.

POSTED BY TONYROMA AT 2018-12-13 06:55 PM | REPLY

Again you're wishful thinking will not result in getting your wish. The GOP has no morals. All they care about is advancing their policies no matter what.

#20 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 07:00 PM | Reply

In other words we are stuck with Trump unless he resigns which is highly unlikely to happen.
#15 | POSTED BY LAURAMOHR

If the evidence against him is strong enough to influence Republican Senators to attempt to convince him to resign, he will face a conviction in the Senate should he refuse to resign. Again, it comes down to what sort of evidence, made public mind you, come out, but if it's strong enough, there will be enough Senators to turn against him if only to save face for themselves.

#21 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-12-13 07:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#21

TY

#22 | Posted by tonyroma at 2018-12-13 07:12 PM | Reply

President Pelosi Lol. No way no how. I don't ever see that happening.

#23 | Posted by byrdman at 2018-12-13 07:15 PM | Reply

President Pelosi Lol. No way no how. I don't ever see that happening.

#23 | POSTED BY Comrade Birdie

You don't see a lot happening because you have your Trump Humper blinders on. You didn't see your Fuhrer's lawyer and many of his associates and campaign personnel getting indicted and thrown in jail either so there is that!

#24 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-12-13 07:41 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Trump has it in his mind that he can "campaign" his way out of any problem including the loss of party support ~ which is what made Nixon resign rather than face impeachment.

Since Trump can't be expected to react like a normal person facing their own political mortality, I suspect we'll need a little more to sweeten the pot. Like indictments and certain convictions of his family members.

#25 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 12:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My prediction is that Mueller will eventually indict don jr. By then it will be clear that trump and his team conspired with Putins gang to win the election.

Trump will play a martyr of the deep state to his base. He will tell the GoP that they have to save him and his family by making a deal.

The deal will be replacing Pence with Lindsay Graham and then Trump resigns in exchange for pardons for him and his family.

We get President Graham for a year and a half.

#26 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-14 01:33 AM | Reply

RSTY @ 21 said it best. Worth of repeating.

"If the evidence against him is strong enough to influence Republican Senators to attempt to convince him to resign, he will face a conviction in the Senate should he refuse to resign. Again, it comes down to what sort of evidence, made public mind you, come out, but if it's strong enough, there will be enough Senators to turn against him if only to save face for themselves."

I might add that the evidence will have to be stomach churning to the public. Worse, even, than little babies dying in cages or an American being dismembered by Saudi Arabia. (And I don't think we know even half about either of those)

Also, in spite of the Senate's august opinion of themselves, they live and die by the polls just like every other politician. Whatever sinks Trump will have to be a monumental threat to them as well.

#27 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 05:33 AM | Reply

or an American being dismembered by Saudi Arabia

#27 | POSTED BY TWINPAC AT 2018-12-14 05:33 AM | REPLY

It was a Saudi dismembered by Saudis, and no we don't care. We don't care when Egyptians did it with bulldozers to other Muslim Brotherhood members and journalists, many are still locked up with no charges. Outrage is proportional to whatever party is in power at the moment, and comes from those not holding the presidency at the moment.

#28 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-14 12:51 PM | Reply

SITZ

The whole point of my post flew right over your head, didn't it?

#29 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 01:35 PM | Reply

"Outrage is proportional to whatever party is in power at the moment, and comes from those not holding the presidency at the moment."

Plenty of GOP outrage on this issue.
Certainly more than I have... or you.

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-14 01:57 PM | Reply

I know who that man downstairs is.......

youtu.be

#31 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-12-14 03:48 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

#31 | Posted by 1947steamer

might be mr. mueller...I don't know

#32 | Posted by ABlock at 2018-12-14 03:52 PM | Reply

Stormy just had to pay Trump a quarter million for losing her defamation case. And none of this happened during Trumps term. Obama had a dozen NDA's, Hillary about half that. And what was the evidence for RussiaGate? And who did the salacious innuendoes come from?
But I love you guys anyway. Keep up the good crazy. It's why I come here.
We got him now.

#5 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

How stupid do you have to be to make this post?

NDAs aren't the issue. NDAs are not a felony. It's paying for them without disclosure that is at least one of the main issues here and a felony.

Seriously, how badly do you need to ignore everything to reach this level of delusion?

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-12-14 04:39 PM | Reply

#5 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

How Russian do you have to be to make this post?

#34 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-14 04:44 PM | Reply

Rs would chain Orange Agent to his bed and sedate him before they would let Pelosi become President. But they won't need to. He will never resign. His ego won't allow it.

#35 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-12-14 05:01 PM | Reply

It's quite clear his goose is cooked here. Wishful thinking.

Cohen didn't get 3.5 years for Russian Collusion people.

www.youtube.com

What's the specific charge? Against the sitting current President. OUR PRESIDENT.

#36 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-12-14 05:05 PM | Reply

At least with Slick Willy it was always a BJ through and through...

#37 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-12-14 05:07 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hey look, the fraudulent child rapist's biggest ball washer has his new knee pads on.

#38 | Posted by Reinheitsgebot at 2018-12-14 05:15 PM | Reply


Trump's claim that he didn't violate campaign finance law is weak -- and dangerous
www.washingtonpost.com

...Last week, in their case against Michael Cohen, federal prosecutors in New York filed a sentencing brief concluding that, in committing the felony campaign-finance violations to which he pleaded guilty, Cohen had "acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1," President Trump. And this week, prosecutors revealed that they had obtained an agreement from AMI, the parent company of the National Enquirer, in which AMI admitted that it, too, had made an illegal payment to influence the election. The AMI payment was the product of a meeting in which Trump was in the room with Cohen and AMI President David ------.

This all suggests Trump could become a target of a very serious criminal campaign finance investigation. In response, Trump has offered up three defenses. His first was to repeatedly lie. For quite some time, he flatly denied knowledge about the $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels. But now he seems to be acknowledging that he knew (since his personal company reimbursed Cohen for the payment, he ought to). Now Trump and his acolytes have turned to two other excuses: They point to an earlier case involving former senator John Edwards to argue that what Trump did wasn't a crime; and they say, even if it was a crime, it wasn't a biggie -- there are lots of crimes, so what, who cares....

Begin with the Edwards case. The former senator from North Carolina and two-time Democratic presidential candidate was charged in 2011 with multiple campaign finance felonies in connection with payments that one of Edwards's supporters made to a woman with whom Edwards had an extramarital sexual relationship. Prosecutors alleged that this money was paid, with Edwards's knowledge, to influence the election, and therefore that the payments were illegal campaign contributions. When the case went to trial, the jury hung on most counts and acquitted on one, which Trump's defenders point to for support.

But the case is actually harmful for Trump -- especially what the judge ruled. Edwards repeatedly argued that the payments were not campaign contributions because they were not made exclusively to further his campaign. The judge rejected this argument as a matter of law, ruling that a payment to a candidate's extramarital sexual partner is a campaign contribution if "one of" the reasons the payment is made is to influence the election....


#39 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-14 05:40 PM | Reply

Hillary - classified communication on a private server. no charges

so anything they can conjur up against the Don will have less wright than that.

We can all sleep soundly.

#40 | Posted by AuntieSocial at 2018-12-14 05:43 PM | Reply

"Donald Trump is in serious trouble. His lawyers ought to be telling him to negotiate a plea deal," Painter said. "Get him out of the White House. Have him resign, plead guilty to lower charges and let's move on as a country."

ahahahahah

Donald trump admit he was wrong? Good luck with that. He'd rather foment a bloody second civil war between his cult members and real americans.

#41 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-14 05:47 PM | Reply

Hillary - classified communication on a private server. no charges

so anything they can conjur up against the Don will have less wright than that.

We can all sleep soundly.

#40 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Hillary testified before a hostile republican congress for 11 hours and they couldnt get anything on her.
Trump refuses to answer any questions under oath.

Hillary's questions were about an email server.
Trump is accused of being a puppet of our enemies.

But yeah, nice comparison. If you're retarded.

#42 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-14 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

What's the specific charge? Against the sitting current President. OUR PRESIDENT.

#36 | Posted by AuntieSocial

It's hilarious that you still think you can pretend there's nothing to see here.

All you're saying is that you've completely isolated yourself from sources of real news.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-14 05:51 PM | Reply

AUNTIE

"What's the specific charge? "

Which investigation are you asking about?

Special Councel/Russia investigation ~ ongoing
Trump Organization/SDNY ~ ongoing
Trump Charitable Foundation investigation ~ ongoing
Trump inauguration investigation ~ ongoing
Trump illegal campaign finances investigation/Russia ~ ongoing
Trump illegal campaign donations/Cohen/Daniels/McDougal/AMA ~ ongoing
Trump/Saudi money laundering investigation ~ ongoing
Trump Immigration policy investigation ~ ongoing
Trump tax returns investigation ~ ongoing
Trump abuse of power investigation ~ ongoing

AUNTIE, there is no answer to your question which is exactly why you asked it. You're like a child repeatedly whining "are we there yet?" You'll just have to wait, like the rest of us, for your answer. I might suggest you fasten your seat belt because investigations lead to other investigations and you're probably not going to like it.

Also, keep in mind that I'm not even including other investigations into Kushner and Junior and perhaps Ivanka.

#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 07:46 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

GEESH, I hate it when I miss something.

Auntie, please add "Trump International Hotel investigation/emoluments/IRS" ~ ongoing ~ to the above list.

#45 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 08:07 PM | Reply

Trump will not be indicted

Trump will not be impeached

Trump will not resign

Trump may win reelection

If trump loses reelection, he may contest the results and claim marshal law

Trump does not admit mistakes

Trump does not accept losing

Trump will do all in his power to keep from losing and admitting mistakes

The GOP will NEVER hold Trump accountable for anything

#46 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-14 10:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The best America can hope for is a massive heart attack

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-14 10:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5 | POSTED BY HELIUMRAT

How Russian do you have to be to make this post?
#34 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

NO COLLUSION!!

(Just a little Russian Synergy on the side.)

#48 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-15 12:15 AM | Reply

The best America can hope for is a massive heart attack

#47 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

May I suggest Seppuku?

#49 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-15 12:17 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

May I suggest Seppuku?

POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-12-15 12:17 AM | REPLY

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww talk about poking into a bloated pig.

#50 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-15 12:31 AM | Reply

Trump has just one way out to protect himself and his family: a comprehensive plea deal to federal and state charges in exchange for his resignation.

This presumes Mueller's only goal is Trump's resignation. I don't think we can assume Mueller and SDNY would drop everything just for that.

#51 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-15 12:36 AM | Reply

JOE

"This presumes Mueller's only goal is Trump's resignation."

It's morphed into that, righteous or not. But I don't take the opinions heard here as the gospel ~ more wishful thinking, if you will. I prefer to think of Mueller as the fact finder, for better or worse. He's smart and thorough but unfortunately, not the final arbitor. The best case scenerio is that he'll build a case so iron clad that the House and Senate will have no choice but to pursue impeachment or resignation.

I have little faith in the DOJ and Supreme Court route.


#52 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-15 02:43 AM | Reply

In accordance with Kushner/Trump foreign policy, a plastic bag and bone-saw are fair game.

MAGA

#53 | Posted by getoffmedz at 2018-12-15 12:17 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

there is no answer to your question which is exactly why you asked it...You'll just have to wait, like the rest of us, for your answer. -#44 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-14 07:46 PM
If there is no answer to the question, then the premise of the discussion 'There's Only 1 Way Out for Trump Now' is laughable at best.
'hey, there's nothing found in any investigation worthy of charging the President with...yet...but that surely means that there's only 1 way out for him'.
Ridiculous

#54 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-12-15 12:44 PM | Reply

POSTED BY AVIGDORE

You were on the ship where FLOTUS gave an address over the 1MC, right? Found out my friend is an IT3 on that ship, small world on a floating city.

#55 | Posted by GOnoles92 at 2018-12-15 03:00 PM | Reply

The best America can hope for is a massive heart attack

#47 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-14 10:58 PM

Given the man's diet and exercise regimen, that fatal heart attack might not be a fantasy. I had something like Trump's body morph five years ago, and all my numbers were wrong for a long life. I dropped fifty pounds, got a tiny amount more exercise, and began to eat a lot less crap, and all my numbers look better than one might expect for 72 years old.

#56 | Posted by john47 at 2018-12-15 03:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

POSTED BY GONOLES92
Yeah, The Bush. Just got back Thursday morning. All of the navy really is a small world.

#57 | Posted by Avigdore at 2018-12-15 03:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

AVIGDORE

"If there is no answer to the question, then the premise of the discussion 'There's Only 1 Way Out for Trump Now' is laughable at best. "

Laughable, ridiculous and highly speculative. But that's what we do here, isn't it? And we're not important enough to have any sway in the final outcome. So I view our venting here, on any subject, as no harm, no foul. If it's out there, it's fair game.

#58 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-15 07:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-Laughable, ridiculous and highly speculative. But that's what we do here, isn't it? And we're not important enough to have any sway in the final outcome. So I view our venting here, on any subject, as no harm, no foul
#58 | Posted by Twinpac

Winner of today's Moment of Clarity award.

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-15 07:48 PM | Reply

Thank you NULLI

Although I disagree with almost everything you post, and often wonder why an otherwise nice person (I remember your arguments with Goatman) would say such things, I understand, support and agree with everyone's absolute right to their opinions.

#60 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-15 08:17 PM | Reply

Trump for Prison 2019

#61 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-15 08:52 PM | Reply

This article is incorrect. There is a second way out for trump, and it would be much better for the health and morale of the country.






Seppuku.

#62 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-12-16 01:34 PM | Reply

Seppuku.

#62 | POSTED BY REVDARKO AT 2018-12-16 01:34 PM | FLAG:

Think he could find a second?

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-16 01:35 PM | Reply

#63

Yup. Jr.

#64 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-12-16 01:38 PM | Reply

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