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Friday, December 14, 2018

Fox News sr. legal analyst and frequent defender of Trump, Judge Andrew Napolitano, acknowledged on air that evidence presented by Federal prosecutors demonstrate that Donald Trump has committed a felony. Judge Nap called the prosecution's memo's "damning and novel". He also said that despite Trump's claim that his name has been cleared that "no rational person could construe this as an exoneration unless they are escaping reality."

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As Fox News goes, so goes Trump's base.

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-13 10:16 AM | Reply


I was listening to a fmr prosecutor from the SDNY. He stated that if Pres Trump were not sitting in the Oval Office, he would have been indicted last week.

In other words, being the current occupant of the Office of the President is the only thing that stopped the feds from indicting him.

Now that both the SDNY and the NY Attorney General appear to be investigating the Trump Organization (crossing the red line Pres Trump has set), I doubt if things are going to be getting better for Pres Trump.

I haven't heard Pres Trump calling it a "witch hunt" recently. Indeed, he actually agreed with what the investigation has found, he just disagreed with the characterization of it as being a crime.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-13 10:35 AM | Reply

"The felony is [Trump] paying Michael Cohen to commit a felony," Napolitano said, referring to hush-money payments made to two women during the 2016 campaign."

Well, now that Fox has expressed it so clearly that even a rwinger can understand it, I'm sure that Snippy and FishP and Nulli and all the other Trump Apologists will be here any minute now to agree.... right?

#3 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 11:00 AM | Reply

Maybe this is why that Congressman talked about how when they see the evidence the Senate will be obligated to impeach.

#4 | Posted by Tor at 2018-12-13 11:13 AM | Reply

I haven't heard Pres Trump calling it a "witch hunt" recently.

#2 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-13 10:35

He's now saying it isn't illegal to be a witch.

#5 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-13 11:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 7

You'd think this would be bigger news, but **VENEZUELA**!!

#6 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-13 11:33 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#5 ... He's now saying it isn't illegal to be a witch. ...

We've come a long way from "nothingburger."

#7 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-13 11:36 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Trump won't be impeached

Trump won't be indicted

Trump MAY win reelection

Even if he loses election, Trump may attempt to call election results invalid.

Truth Hurts

#8 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 11:37 AM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

Disagree.

This is starting to unravel.

#9 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-13 12:02 PM | Reply

#8 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS

This reminds me of the story of the stadium of people that thought if they all believed hard enough they could get a tree to catch fire.

#10 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-13 12:30 PM | Reply

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funny how Napolitano's validity is called into question around here every time he opens his mouth .... except for times like these.

#11 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 12:31 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

11

exactly. People need to examine what they really think "credibility" means.

Obviously, it can't mean "someone is credible only when they say something I like or agree with".

either people have it or they don't.

If Napolitano is a clueless hack then okay. That didn't change the instant he said something non-offensive to you.

#12 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-13 12:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3


@#11 ... funny how Napolitano's validity is called into question around here every time he opens his mouth .... except for times like these. ...

I don't see it as Mr Napolitano's validity under discussion here.

I see this thread more as a discussion of what seems to be a significant change in how the Fox News channel is presenting the current issues facing Pres Trump.

There was a similar crack in the wall last week or the week before, so it appears this may not be an isolated incident.

#13 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-13 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 6

funny how Napolitano's validity is called into question around here every time he opens his mouth .... except for times like these.

#11 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Pointing to a change in messaging from the talking heads at the White House Propoganda network is in no way a statement that anyone now views them as more or less trusted than they viewed them previously.

If I was Trump or one of his associates I would be extremely concerned that the administration is beginning to lose it's biggest defenders.

#14 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-12-13 01:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

funny how Napolitano's validity is called into question around here every time he opens his mouth .... except for times like these.

Funny how this stupid deflection is the standard response whenever the topic is a pundit/member of the other team going against the tide.

It's almost as if the commenter has nothing to say but feels compelled to shart some "thoughts" into the thread anyway.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If Napolitano is a clueless hack then okay. That didn't change the instant he said something non-offensive to you.
#12

I don't know much about Andrew Napolitano b/c I don't watch cable news.

But if it's a simple as 'Trump paying Cohen to commit a felony' than it's not really a matter of opinion or advanced legal expertise.
Cohen committed a felony. Did Trump pay him? If he did, he committed a felony as well.

#16 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-13 01:55 PM | Reply

#11 - another underlying point is Judge Nap is one of the Fox people that Trump has demonstrated that he listens to.

It was Nap who Trump has met with on several occasions and has had numerous phone calls with since becoming President. It is Nap who expressed earlier this year on Fox that Congress should not renew FISA legislation that Trump then parroted on Twitter even though that position contradicted the official position held by the White House.

Regardless of what anyone else thinks of his analysis, Trump appears to trust him. I wonder how Trump reacted when he saw this segment.

#17 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-12-13 01:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Jpw thinks 11 is a team Fox kind of guy?

He's been posting here for years. youve got the wrong guy.

#18 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-12-13 02:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not at all.

I just find the "what Now you find him credible" thing whiny and a clear indicator of one missing the point.

#19 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 02:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny how this stupid deflection is the standard response whenever the topic is a pundit/member of the other team going against the tide.

It's almost as if the commenter has nothing to say but feels compelled to shart some "thoughts" into the thread anyway.

#15 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 01:54 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

First of all I don't have a team, you're just pissed because I pointed out that the Napster was an idiot around here until he said something you agree with. It's like your love/hate affair with Comey. Depending on who he's implicating at the moment.

#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 02:51 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

you're just pissed because I pointed out that the Napster was an idiot around here until he said something you agree with.

But plants crave electrolytes...

Dude. You don't get my point, do you?

#21 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 03:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- the Napster was an idiot around here until he said something you agree with.

He's still an idiot.... the point is that even some of the idiots are beginning to get it.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 8

I'm not playing a side here. I was simply pointing out the obvious. Maybe you can tell us how you responded to him saying Hillary committed a felony.

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 03:09 PM | Reply

He's still an idiot.... the point is that even some of the idiots are beginning to get it.

#22 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:08 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Of course, but he definitely wasn't "getting it" when he said Hillary was guilty as sin.

#24 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 03:10 PM | Reply

#24 |

No, he wasn't. Does this surprise you?

Claiming that people who point out an idiot finally getting something right, like a broken clock, are somehow hypocrites is disingenuous at best. We won't talk about what it is at worst.

#25 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

- he definitely wasn't "getting it" when he said Hillary was guilty as sin.

No, he wasn't, which is typical for his type of rwing idiocy. What makes his recent statement atypical, and worth noting, is that even he, as a lawyer, can't hide behind his usual idiocy.

#26 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-13 03:18 PM | Reply

Maybe you can tell us how you responded to him saying Hillary committed a felony.

#23 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I don't watch Fox enough to have heard him say it. Doesn't surprise me that he did.

In any case, it's irrelevant.

The point, whenever this situation arises, is that things are bad enough that even folks on the other side can't ignore it any more. The information being damning enough to flip a Fox News pundit is the NW aspect of it, not the specific person.

#27 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 03:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I don't watch Fox enough to have heard him say it. Doesn't surprise me that he did"

I don't either. I was referring to a thread posted here on Drudge.

If he's not qualified to make a judgment about Hillary committing a crime , What makes him qualified to make a judgment on A crime Trump supposedly committed?

For the record, I don't like Trump. I think he's every bit of a loser a human being can be. Mostly because he's dishonest all the way around. He's a slimy business man and he plays the system.

#28 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 04:20 PM | Reply

First of all I don't have a team, you're just pissed because I pointed out that the Napster was an idiot around here until he said something you agree with. It's like your love/hate affair with Comey. Depending on who he's implicating at the moment.
#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Only an unthinking moron supports or disagrees with someone 100%

#29 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 04:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Only a moron discredits every word someone says un till they say something they want to hear.

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-13 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

That goes both ways. Only Trump would listen when it has benefiting him all this time and now think he is crazy. The very reason this is newsworthy is because this guy has been saying just what Trump wanted to hear all along, and suddenly didnt. I dont trust this man more now, I am just excited to see things falling apart.

#31 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-13 06:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#30 | Posted by lfthndthrds

You're still missing the point, half-wit.

#32 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-13 10:35 PM | Reply

What is remarkable is that Nappy said the truth about Trump paying Cohen to commit a felony on Fox news.
The Reich wing is trying to spin the lie that Cohen pled guilty to a non crime to avoid pleading to his actual crimes, and the judge accepted his plea to implicate Trump.

The news is that Nappy admitted the obvious truth about one of Trampy's crimes and the Fox editors didn't cut away to a car chase.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-14 01:57 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Gal,

"The very reason this is newsworthy is because this guy has been saying just what Trump wanted to hear all along, and suddenly didn't"

The problem I have with it lies solely in the fact that people right here discredited him when he hung Hillary out to dry for her sins and now this is music to their ears. Partisan politics at it's finest. It's no secret that I don't like either Trump or the Clintons. In my opinion Nap was right on both assessments of Trump and Hillary.

#34 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-14 07:51 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The Reich wing is trying to spin the lie that Cohen pled guilty to a non crime to avoid pleading to his actual crimes, and the judge accepted his plea to implicate Trump.

#33 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-14 01:57 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Yeah well, I heard what Cohen actually said about the whole payments thing. If in fact he's telling the truth, Trump knew exactly what he was asking Cohen to do and probably thought his money would let him slither out of it. The problem with that is, this isn't business it's politics.

#35 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-14 07:54 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

half-wit.

#32 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-13 10:35 PMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

Such an intelligent post.

No I'm not missing anything, except for signing up for your team....

#36 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-14 07:56 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

First of all I don't have a team, you're just pissed because I pointed out that the Napster was an idiot around here until he said something you agree with.
#20 | Posted by lfthndthrds

I feel like you are missing a few big points here.
1. At no point has anyone claimed Nap is suddenly now a trustworthy source.
2. If anything, his statement should be cause to continue to question his claims. He is now essentially admitting that many of his past denials and defenses of Trump's crimes are bogus.
3. He doesn't just speak for himself. He is not just another invited guest. He is Fox's senior legal analyst. His on-air statement is not just admission of his own bogus defense but is also an admission that the entire network's defense of Trump is wrong

#37 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-12-14 08:52 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#37 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-12-14 08:52 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

So this is some sort of come-to-jesus clensing moment for him?

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-14 09:07 AM | Reply

he problem I have with it lies solely in the fact that people right here discredited him when he hung Hillary out to dry for her sins and now this is music to their ears. Partisan politics at it's finest. It's no secret that I don't like either Trump or the Clintons. In my opinion Nap was right on both assessments of Trump and Hillary.

#34 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS AT 2018-12-14 07:51 AM | REPLY

You are still missing the point.

Nobody is even talking about whether Napolitano is correct and/or credible. The point is that Trump's broadcast cheerleading team is beginning to question him. This seems to signal a growing recognition of his vulnerability, which eventually would affect support on Capitol Hill and to one degree or another, abandonment by his base.

At some point perception equals reality. If even Fox and its viewers say Trump is scum, he's toast.

#39 | Posted by cbob at 2018-12-14 09:29 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

Rudy comes in to clear the air:
"Nobody got killed, nobody got robbed ... This was not a big crime," Giuliani told The Daily Beast, re alleged violations of campaign finance law.

See? Just very minor crimes.

www.thedailybeast.com

#40 | Posted by cbob at 2018-12-14 10:27 AM | Reply

I hope no one crossed a border, that is a capital offense, just like running away from a cop.

#41 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-14 10:54 AM | Reply

#38 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Jesus...you're dumb as a friggin' sack of hair.

#42 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-14 11:26 AM | Reply | Funny: 2

LFTHANDTHRDS, EBERLY:
It's BECAUSE Napolitano went against type and his past cheerleading that make this noteworthy. But, you knew that already...

#43 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-12-14 11:39 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#43

One might hope they would know that after how many times it has been 'splained to them, right?

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-14 11:42 AM | Reply

So this is some sort of come-to-jesus clensing moment for him?

#38 | POSTED BY LFTHNDTHRDS

Far from it. I'm sure Nap and Fox will continue to dubious and outright false claims going forward. At the current time, it is noteworthy that the evidence has now reached a point where it is so overwhelming that some of Trump's staunches defenders are feeling forced to back away from their typical spin.

#45 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2018-12-14 11:52 AM | Reply

Let me see if I can end this pointlessness...

To be clear lfthndthrds isn't the missing point he has chose to use a counter point about picking and choosing when to listen to someone that is normally dismissed. Point taken I mean Napolitano is a real dumbas.

Also to be clear lfthndthrds isn't acknowledging the fact that it isn't picking and choosing when to listen to a dumbas, rather that hardcore Trump supporters are turning on him - Say Fox and Napolitano - and that is the WHOLE point.

#46 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-12-14 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Jesus...you're dumb as a friggin' sack of hair.

#42 | POSTED BY ANGRYDAD AT 2018-12-14 11:26 AM | FLAG: | FUNNY: 1

Lol you call me dump but you' up to 9 word posts now.

#47 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-14 05:43 PM | Reply

Fox News sr. legal analyst and frequent defender of Trump, Judge Andrew Napolitano

He is not the deep thinker he thinks he is.

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-14 05:58 PM | Reply

#47 | Posted by lfthndthrds

Drunk by 6pm?

LOL!

#49 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-14 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

He is not the deep thinker he thinks he is.

#48 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Are you?

#50 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-14 11:50 PM | Reply

Trump for Prison 2019

#51 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-15 09:06 PM | Reply

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