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Wednesday, December 12, 2018

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) announced that the Obama administration's 2015 Waters of the U.S. rule (WOTUS) rule would be redefined and no longer protect many of the nation's streams and wetlands ... Streams that flow only after rainfall or snowfall will no longer be protected from pollution by developers, agricultural companies, and the fossil fuel industry.

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Sincerely,

The GOP.

#1 | Posted by 726 at 2018-12-12 06:53 AM | Reply

Now we can all be like Flint.

Nestle will love it when everybody is forced to buy their bottled water for $3.99 a gallon after they bought it for $0.0000001 per gallon.

#2 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-12 02:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The most damning is the streams that only flow after rain or snowfall.

That's the pinnacle of the watershed pyramid and all but guarantees that every major waterway will become heavily polluted.

But this is the sort of thing that makes Trumpers the most loathesome people in the country. They're selling everybody's future in the hope that they'll make some short term profits. 🖕🏻 You Trumpers.

#3 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-12 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#4 | POSTED BY TK421

Oh come on, let them have their fun! Facts and reality don't matter when you have Trump in your sights...

#5 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-12 08:15 PM | Reply

Good decision. No reason to have to get permission from a faceless bureaucrat in Washington DC to replace a culvert in your driveway. The state and county can handle. Huge power grab attempt by Federal government. MAGA.

#6 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-13 08:07 AM | Reply

Visitor ha no idea what he's talking about. Every driveway and drainage system on private property is subject to local building codes, not DC. DC does provide guidelines for regional and interstate water issues which locals must take account of.

#7 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-13 10:07 AM | Reply

This rule, not a law but a re-interpretation of existing regulations, would put waterways that flow after rain or snow under Federal control. This included private land, like my driveway.

#8 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-13 10:20 AM | Reply

All this did was fix a bureaucratic over-reach.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-13 10:36 AM | Reply

The state of Michigan threatened local beavers with a $10,000 per day fine for failing to remove their dams.

www.snopes.com

If the Feds were involved... they would be sending in the FBI, DOHS, US Army Engineer Corps and the National Guard...

Dam beavers... Every Friday and Saturday night I go on the hunt for them...and then on Sunday I go to church and ask God and my wife for forgiveness...

#10 | Posted by Pegasus at 2018-12-13 10:38 AM | Reply

Good decision. No reason to have to get permission from a faceless bureaucrat in Washington DC to replace a culvert in your driveway.

#6 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

All this did was fix a bureaucratic over-reach.

#9 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

This was implemented in 2015. Can you give examples of people having to fight the "faceless bureaucrat" to replace a culvert in their driveway? Or is this just a strawman?

#11 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-12-13 11:23 AM | Reply

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This illegal attempt at Federal overreach was almost instantly blocked by legal injunction so no private citizens were forced to feel Federal oppression.

#12 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-13 11:45 AM | Reply

ahhhh ignorance

These dry streams receive rain and snow during storm events and isolated wetlands hold water

Allowing developers to fill them in without permits is what the rule was designed to protect against

Once filled in, that water held by those features will have to go somewhere-water does that sort of thing

SOOOOO others will be flooded because of neighbors development-happens all the time, happened to me

Typical trumptilian greed says ---- my neighbors

#13 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 11:53 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Good decision. No reason to have to get permission from a faceless bureaucrat in Washington DC to replace a culvert in your driveway. The state and county can handle. Huge power grab attempt by Federal government. MAGA.
#6 | Posted by visitor_

you are selfish, you want to improve your property at the expense of your neighbors. i hope their dogs ---- all over your lawn.

#14 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 11:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#12 | POSTED BY VISITOR_

Flowing water is a fair use public resource. Federal overreach? When will you confederate idiots realize the federal government is us?

#15 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-13 12:29 PM | Reply

The bipartisan hate is so strong in articles like this that it's a shame someone even links it. Instead of the Left seeing the positive to farmers who they are so busy trying to protect from trade problems, they only see the negative and report it as a gift to a made up group. Instead of the Right seeing the positive of the regulations and protecting the environment, they focus on the negatives and say Dems are trying to wear down the economy. They won't get together and say they both see the negatives and would like to work across the aisle on lessening the impact. And Groundhog Day just keeps continuing...

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2018-12-13 12:35 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#11 you must be new here.

/s

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-13 01:20 PM | Reply

All this did was fix a bureaucratic over-reach.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ

Bureaucratic over-reach is usually the result of corporate bad behavior.

The government doesn't just make rules for fun. They make them because someone was harming someone else with bad behavior. Remove the rules and bad people will resume doing bad things.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-13 02:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

--Bureaucratic over-reach is usually the result of...

...a bloated bureaucracy

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-13 02:19 PM | Reply

--Bureaucratic over-reach is usually the result of...
...a bloated bureaucracy
#19 | Posted by nullifidian

When your property is flooded because your neighbor legally fills a wetland in to put in his new above ground pool, you will be the 1st one whining.

I hope their dogs ---- on your lawn too.

#20 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 02:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

20
Legally put up a viewing deck on your property line and when they go to enjoy their pool start viewing.
Then, cannonball onto your wet muddy lawn, and go suck your thumb, you crybaby.

Add more fill to your land and drown them out.

#21 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-12-13 02:38 PM | Reply

I wouldn't want to view the whales in swim suits that are your neighbors.

#22 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 02:41 PM | Reply

Dems are trying to wear down the economy.

This is why there is no bipartisan discussion. Why would the "Dems" want to "wear down the economy"? How do Democratic politicians or their constituents benefit from that? Or perhaps it's their donors who want to "wear down the economy". cui bono?

#23 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-12-13 02:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Why would your viewing deck be looking at my neighbors?

If you don't add fill to your property and send the water back their way then I don't see how you put the wet yard genie back in the bottle.
Run a culvert to the lowest part of their yard and let the water flow into their front yard or where ever. Otherwise, you'll continue to be their bitch.

#24 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-12-13 02:51 PM | Reply

"Dems are trying to wear down the economy."

What does it even mean???

Does the economy get a 15 minute break every 4 hours but the Dems just aren't letting the evonomy go on break?

Anybody who writes a sentence like that knows nothing about economics, or Democrats.

#25 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-13 03:02 PM | Reply

This is why there is no bipartisan discussion. Why would the "Dems" want to "wear down the economy"? How do Democratic politicians or their constituents benefit from that? Or perhaps it's their donors who want to "wear down the economy". cui bono?

#23 | Posted by WhoDaMan

Because they are demons from hell. I know it because that's what they say on a news network that was created to mislead people.

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-13 03:11 PM | Reply

All this did was fix a bureaucratic over-reach.
#9 | Posted by JeffJ
Bureaucratic over-reach is usually the result of corporate bad behavior.
The government doesn't just make rules for fun. They make them because someone was harming someone else with bad behavior. Remove the rules and bad people will resume doing bad things.

#18 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-12-13 02:16 PM | FLAG:

Jeff has no clues about environmental issues nor does he care. It's sad commentary but there you have it.

#27 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

www.usatoday.com

The new proposal, unveiled Tuesday morning by acting EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler and other administration officials, would ease Washington's oversight of small bodies of water, undoing a regulation President Donald Trump has called "a massive power grab."

The new rule would replace an Obama administration regulation, known as the "Waters of the United States" rule that expanded federal protections to smaller rivers and streams.

Environmental advocates warn the proposed rule could remove pollution and development protections from most U.S. waterways and pose far-reaching effects on the safety of the nation's tap water for more than 100 million Americans.

MY WORDS FOLLOW

Stupid is as stupid does.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-13 03:29 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'd rather deal with the county or state for a permit for a drainage ditch or retention pond instead of a Federal bureaucrat that has never been my state and only thinks of us as fly-over country. Every detail of our lives doesn't have to be controlled by Washington DC.

#29 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-13 03:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"I'd rather deal with the county or state for a permit for a drainage ditch or retention pond instead of a Federal bureaucrat that has never been my state and only thinks of us as fly-over country."

So thats who you think Trump is hiring.

Why'd you vote for Trump, in that case?

#30 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-13 03:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And what if what you think is good for "your state" happens to be bad for the country? Part of the reason for government is to protect you from the bad behavior of your neighbors. The alternative is vigilantism (in a country with 300+ million firearms in civilian hands). Talk about a recipe for chaos. Chaos is a lot worse for the economy than environmental responsibility is.

#31 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-12-13 04:22 PM | Reply

I'd rather deal with the county or state for a permit for a drainage ditch or retention pond instead of a Federal bureaucrat that has never been my state and only thinks of us as fly-over country. Every detail of our lives doesn't have to be controlled by Washington DC.
#29 | Posted by visitor_

If you were to learn that the state and county implement the federal regulations, would you change your position?

#32 | Posted by truthhurts at 2018-12-13 04:49 PM | Reply

If you were to learn that the state and county implement the federal regulations, would you change your position?

It depends on whether I can appeal to a local authority with a reasonable expectation of redress.

#33 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-13 05:31 PM | Reply

Truthsquirts is a scorned ex.
He's whining because he feels like he was done wrong.
He probably got screwed by local government and felt powerless.

The Fed ain't the answer.

#34 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2018-12-13 09:01 PM | Reply

"And what if what you think is good for "your state" happens to be bad for the country?"

They don't give two ----- about the "good of the country."

They don't go for any of that "promote the general welfare" nonsense. Those words are as meaningless as the prefatory clause to the Second Amendment.

#35 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-13 09:11 PM | Reply

They don't appear to understand what a "nation" is, or how one is supposed to work, or why we would want one. They liked the original Articles of Confederation, and they want it back. They don't like the Constitution, with its democracy and stuff.

#36 | Posted by WhoDaMan at 2018-12-13 10:11 PM | Reply

You can't have a more basic necessity than clean air and water.

#37 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-14 01:38 AM | Reply

It doesn't mean that we want no oversight just because we don't think every mud puddle should be under direct Federal management. In some cases the state can actually have higher standards.

#38 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-14 07:58 AM | Reply

In some cases the state can actually have higher standards.

#38 | POSTED BY VISITOR_ AT 2018-12-14 07:58 AM | FLAG:

In some cases the state can actually have lower standards. In some cases the water flows across state lines which is why it is a federal issue. Pollution doesn't stop at the state line.

www.usnews.com

I feel sorry for the states that border West Virginia.

RANK STATE
DRINKING WATER QUALITY

LOW INDUSTRIAL TOXINS

LOW POLLUTION HEALTH RISK

URBAN AIR QUAL

47

West Virginia
46 44 44 11

#39 | Posted by 726 at 2018-12-14 11:01 AM | Reply

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