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Monday, December 10, 2018

If Paris streets burned over a proposed 25 cents per gallon climate change tax, imagine the global conflagration over a $49 per gallon tax. That's what a United Nations special climate report calls for in 12 years, with a carbon tax of $5,500 per ton -- equal to $49 per gallon of gasoline or diesel. That's about 100 times today's average state and federal motor fuels tax.

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I think I'd keel over dead if Boaz didn't complain about liberals progressives Democrats Muslims LGBTQI people.

#1 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-09 09:31 PM | Reply

Vive la Resistance...

This is one people's movement the left, and the MSM-DNC, would prefer to go away: anti-elite, anti-carbon taxes, and aimed at one of their favorite globalist heartthrobs.

#2 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-09 10:36 PM | Reply

The tax is already working. People are walking instead of driving.

#3 | Posted by bored at 2018-12-10 01:57 AM | Reply

#2 so you're perfectly fine with violence and riots as long as they're against somebody you dislike?

Or is all your bitching about antifa really just because you want to sneer at lefties?

#4 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-10 03:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

The tax is already working. People are walking instead of driving.

#3 | POSTED BY BORED AT 2018-12-10 01:57 AM | FLAG:

but they drove to get there... then set everything on fire...

#5 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-10 08:17 AM | Reply

#4 | Posted by jpw

That made no sense whatsoever, as usual. By that logic one wouldn't support any mass protests, such as the antiwar movement in the 60s.

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 08:59 AM | Reply

#6 did you or did you not denounce antifa at every turn, even if they didn't use these sorts of tactics?

#7 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-10 10:06 AM | Reply

#1,

You complain about anyone who doesnt go along with your fantasy about being a woman, so there's that.

#8 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-10 10:22 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

--I think I'd keel over dead if Boaz didn't complain about liberals progressives Democrats Muslims LGBTQI people.

The new headline is much better, so now you can attempt to discuss it rather than Boaz.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 10:55 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's balk, not bulk.

#10 | Posted by qcp at 2018-12-10 11:09 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

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#6 did you or did you not denounce antifa at every turn, even if they didn't use these sorts of tactics?
#7 | POSTED BY JPW

Antifa attacks citizens ....

YellowVests attack the government.

HUGE difference ...

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-10 11:16 AM | Reply | Funny: 4 | Newsworthy 3

Anyone who actually did not see this dilemma coming is someone who should never get into politics.

And damn, did you guys read the lengths the climate activists want to go? They are only one opinion away from wanting to force everyone who uses any kind of fossil fuel to wear a patch on their jacket and detain them in a camp of like-minded individuals...

#12 | Posted by humtake at 2018-12-10 12:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Working Class Bulks at Shouldering the Cost of Fixing Climate Change

Posted by boaz

The plutocrats cry that the paris protests are about gas taxes and all the suckers believe them.

Totally ignoring that paris killed the wealth tax and macron has been a puppet for the rich.

But go on boaz, pretend the protest are about what you WISH they were about.

You do you.

#13 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 01:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Antifa attacks citizens ....

YellowVests attack the government.

HUGE difference ...

#11 | Posted by AndreaMackris

Antifa attacks FASCIST citizens.

And fascist sympathizers like yourself get real butthurt about it.

#14 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

'Fix' climate change, yeah, we can 'fix' it...

#15 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-12-10 01:22 PM | Reply

'Fix' climate change, yeah, we can 'fix' it...

#15 | Posted by MSgt

Another pollution chump fighting to help destroy his own home.

And your best strategy is playing semantics.

#16 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--The plutocrats cry that the paris protests are about gas taxes and all the suckers believe them.

Haha. You're delusional. The protests started over gas taxes and the plutocrats had to respond by delaying them. That didn't work, so they then canceled them. Nice try.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 01:27 PM | Reply

Haha. You're delusional. The protests started over gas taxes and the plutocrats had to respond by delaying them. That didn't work, so they then canceled them. Nice try.

#17 | Posted by nullifidian

The protests started over a wide range of policies, including lowering taxes on the rich. But if you get your news from oil funded sources, you'll think they're just about gas taxes.

Guess we all know where nulli gets his news from.

#18 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 01:43 PM | Reply

#18 |

Obviously you haven't been following this story. Next.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 01:45 PM | Reply

Obviously you haven't been following this story. Next.

#19 | Posted by nullifidian

Obviously I haven't been swallowing exxon's spin on it like you have.

Make sure to wipe your chin.

#20 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 02:03 PM | Reply

--exxon's spin

The european press? BBC? Who knew?

lol

#21 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speaks,

If the riots aren't about the gas tax increase why did the French government delay and finally cancel these taxes?

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 02:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If the riots aren't about the gas tax increase why did the French government delay and finally cancel these taxes?

#22 | Posted by JeffJ

Because the gas tax is PART of what the riots are about. But if you get your news from pollution propagandists, you'll think that's ALL they're about, as this thread proves.

All the usual pro pollution idiots are on here saying "see this is what happens when you tax gasoline!"

Instead of the reality which is: "see this is what happens when your policies all favor the rich!"

#23 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 02:16 PM | Reply

The european press? BBC? Who knew?

Shreek obviously is just parroting what he has been told to believe by ThinkHuffMediaAlterDailyTalkingProgressPoMattersNetPointsMemo

What is the yellow vest movement?

The movement began as a protest against a rise in duties on diesel, which is widely used by French motorists and has long been less heavily taxed than other types of fuel.

Diesel prices have risen by about 23% over the past 12 months - and Mr Macron's decision to impose a "Paris Accord" tax increase of 6.5 cents on diesel and 2.9 cents on petrol from 1 January enraged protesters.

Mr Macron had blamed world oil prices for three-quarters of the price rise, but said higher taxes on fossil fuels were needed to fund renewable energy investments.

The rallies became known as the "yellow vest" or "gilets jaunes" movement because protesters took to the streets wearing the high-visibility yellow jackets that are required to be carried in every vehicle by French law.

The government has since agreed to scrap the fuel tax increase and has frozen electricity and gas prices for 2019.

But protests have also erupted over other issues after the initial fuel protests started, including calls for higher wages, lower taxes on the poor, better pensions and easier university entry requirements.

The movement's core aim, to highlight the economic frustration and political distrust of poorer working families, still has widespread support.

Yellow vest protests 'economic catastrophe' for France

If you want to double down on the stupidity, Shreek, I got more for you, just let me know...

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 02:22 PM | Reply

Speak is spinning like a whirling dervish on meth. It must really chap his hide to see protests over carbon taxes against his objet d'affection, Macron, in one of the left's favorite countries.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:26 PM | Reply

If you want to double down on the stupidity, Shreek, I got more for you, just let me know...

#24 | Posted by Rightocenter

You might want to read your own link dumbass.

"But protests have also erupted over other issues after the initial fuel protests started, including calls for higher wages, lower taxes on the poor, better pensions and easier university entry requirements."

And you might want to pay a little attention to this:
"France has also opened an inquiry into possible Russian interference in the gilets jaunes movement following reports that Moscow-based social media accounts have targeted protestors."

Fomenting populist uprisings online is obviously russia's new preferred foreign policy strategy. You fell for it last time. Are you that eager to fall for it again?

#26 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 02:33 PM | Reply

--"France has also opened an inquiry into possible Russian interference

Hahahaha. The Russians are coming! Even the French globalist aristocracy is trying out the Democrat meme.

lol

#27 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Hahahaha. The Russians are coming! Even the French globalist aristocracy is trying out the Democrat meme.

lol

#27 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-12-10 02:39 PM | FLAG:

Your country's entire intelligence infrastructure isn't laughing. Are you smarter than they are?

#28 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 02:40 PM | Reply

--Your country's entire intelligence infrastructure isn't laughing. Are you smarter than they are?

What country do you live in, Dirk?

#29 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:43 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#29

Another deflection from Chuckles. How predictable.

#30 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 02:45 PM | Reply

Hahahaha. The Russians are coming! Even the French globalist aristocracy is trying out the Democrat meme.

lol

#27 | Posted by nullifidian

Oh you mean the foreign attack that your patriotic party is pretending isn't happening?

#31 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 02:46 PM | Reply

Just answer the question, Dirk.

#32 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:48 PM | Reply

Oh you mean the foreign attack that your patriotic party is pretending isn't happening?

#31 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

The 80s are calling they want thier foreign policy back .

Remember when you got chuckle out of that...

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-10 02:49 PM | Reply

#33

Another deflection. Address the issue, coward.

#34 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 02:50 PM | Reply

#32

That's hilarious coming from the clown who notoriously runs away whenever anyone asks a question retorting any of the lame rwing memes he posts here daily.

Truly funny stuff.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-10 02:51 PM | Reply

Just answer the question, Dirk.

#32 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-12-10 02:48 PM | FLAG:

Doubling down on the deflection, huh?

#36 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 02:52 PM | Reply

The 80s are calling they want thier foreign policy back .

Remember when you got chuckle out of that...

#33 | Posted by AndreaMackris

It sounds as if you're implying that if someone was our enemy in the 80's, we're not supposed to resist their attacks today.

Interesting. By that logic, you'd be fine with the bully who stole your lunch money in grade school stealing your car out of your driveway tonight. "He was your enemy 30 years ago man! Let it go! He can have your car. You don't want to relive old conflicts do you?"

#37 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 02:53 PM | Reply

--and Mr Macron's decision to impose a "Paris Accord" tax increase

If liberal France can't impose carbon taxes, what country will? What other signatory is going to take the risk?

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 02:55 PM | Reply

#38

It's okay. They will try again, restructure and succeed on the second go around. The global consensus on climate policy will triumph in the end, in spite of denialisfs like you.

#39 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:00 PM | Reply

You might want to read your own link dumbass

"But protests have also erupted over other issues after the initial fuel protests started, including calls for higher wages, lower taxes on the poor, better pensions and easier university entry requirements."

This was in response to your own post (which you may want to read again, dumbass):

The protests started over a wide range of policies, including lowering taxes on the rich.

Which was 100% wrong, since the cries to lower taxes on the poor (not the rich) came, wait for it, "after the initial fuel protests started".

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 03:05 PM | Reply

--They will try again, restructure and succeed on the second go around. The global consensus on climate policy will triumph in the end, in spite of denialisfs like you.

#39 | Posted by DirkStruan

Hahahaha. Without carbon taxes, you have nothing. The only "consensus" is that of the globalist elites that fly to conferences in their private jets and tell working class Pierre he has to reduce his carbon footprint drastically lower than theirs. Good luck with that plan.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 03:06 PM | Reply

"Without carbon taxes, you have nothing."

Except an international scientific consensus.

#42 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The protests started over a wide range of policies, including lowering taxes on the rich.

Which was 100% wrong, since the cries to lower taxes on the poor (not the rich) came, wait for it, "after the initial fuel protests started".

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter

Try again. France cut the wealth tax. Helping the rich get richer. People got pissed. This added to a PILE of policies that macron was pursuing that benefited the rich.

The gas tax was simply ONE of many things they were pissed about. But it's the only one pollution chumps want to discuss, since they're just fine with countries screwing their working classes to benefit the rich.

#43 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 03:09 PM | Reply

Hey Nulli, why don't you care that your "beloved" country is under attack?

#44 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:11 PM | Reply

Without carbon taxes, you have nothing. The only "consensus" is that of the globalist elites that fly to conferences in their private jets and tell working class Pierre he has to reduce his carbon footprint drastically lower than theirs. Good luck with that plan.

Which is exactly what started the Gilets Jaunes Movement

The pictures of Paris swathed in tear gas, with burning cars and angry protesters rampaging through the streets in high-vis jackets demanding an end to a fuel tax rise have been seen across the world.

That so-called carbon tax had already increased diesel by 7.6 cents per litre and petrol by 3.9 cents in the last year, and it was due to rise again in January.

Yet as the rage over the added expense spilled into the cities and on to front pages, the original reason for the increase became somewhat lost.

It was supposed to help reduce the country's reliance on fossil fuel-guzzling cars, part of a wider attempt to reduce emissions and curb the effects of man-made climate change.

What's more, it would have been a chance for French President Emmanuel Macron to prove politicians could make difficult decisions when it came to the fight against global warming.

But now his government has bowed to pressure and promised to suspend the tax rise for at least six months, which raises the questions: where does this leave France's fight against global warming - and what message does it send to the wider world?

France protests: Will the environment be the true victim of the fuel-tax riots?

#45 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 03:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Except an international scientific consensus.

You're changing the goal posts. Deflection noted. The argument isn't over global warming; it's over public policy to mitigate it. That's a political issue over which there is no consensus, as Paris demonstrates.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 03:16 PM | Reply

It was supposed to help reduce the country's reliance on fossil fuel-guzzling cars, part of a wider attempt to reduce emissions and curb the effects of man-made climate change.

It sounds like they were trying to cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket.

#47 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 03:18 PM | Reply

You're changing the goal posts. Deflection noted. The argument isn't over global warming; it's over public policy to mitigate it. That's a political issue over which there is no consensus, as Paris demonstrates.

#46 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-12-10 03:16 PM | FLAG:

Nonsense. Paris merely demonstrates one way to meet the Paris accord standard met with some temporary opposition.
Oh well. They will tweak who gets taxed and how much, try again, and succeed, your biased efforts to turn this into a referendum on climate change policy writ large notwithstanding.

#48 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Still silent on Russia, eh Nulli? Why do you hate your country?

#49 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Hey Nulli, why don't you care that your "beloved" country is under attack?

#44 | Posted by DirkStruan

Because the attack HELPED his cult leader, so it's ok.

#50 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 03:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

--Still silent on Russia, eh Nulli? Why do you hate your country?

I'm not going to assist your attempted hijacking of this thread, Dirkovich.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 03:28 PM | Reply

That's a political issue over which there is no consensus, as Paris demonstrates.

#46 | Posted by nullifidian

If you think we should wait til everyone agrees that cheap oil is bad for the planet, we're all going to die.

Shortsighted crybabies don't deserve to make decisions for the human species.

That's what government is for - to do things that individuals can't do.

#52 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 03:28 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm not going to assist your attempted hijacking of this thread, Dirkovich.

#51 | Posted by nullifidian

It's not hijacking when it's all the same thing. Russia doesn't want anyone to use less oil, so they exercise their only effective weapon - fomenting social media uprisings.

Same as they did in Ukraine, same as they did with brexit, same as they did for trump, yet you still don't see anything noteworthy.

#53 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 03:30 PM | Reply

- Shortsighted crybabies

There's no climate change on his lawn... that fire is due to him not raking the leaves.

#54 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-10 03:30 PM | Reply

I'm not going to assist your attempted hijacking of this thread, Dirkovich.

#51 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-12-10 03:28 PM | FLAG:

Really? Because you felt differently when you paused to laugh at French investigation of Russian meddling. So how about it, coward? Why don't you care that Russia attacked your country?

#55 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:33 PM | Reply

Hey Nulli, the experts say you are wrong on Russia AND climate change. Your response?

#56 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:34 PM | Reply

As always privatize the profits, socialize the accounts-due.

#57 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-12-10 03:35 PM | Reply

Why should the working class shoulder the cost of fixing climate change when the rich are the ones directly benefiting from it.

#58 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-10 03:38 PM | Reply

--It sounds like they were trying to cause energy prices to necessarily skyrocket.

Of course. It's the only way to immediately reduce emissions without any technology breakthroughs that take years. Now all they have to do is convince the unwashed masses to reduce their standards of living for benefits--1 or 2 degrees temperature reduction by 2100--that won't appear in their lifetime.

#59 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 03:41 PM | Reply

#59

Look at Nulli spin! Green tech? Magically not a thing! Climate change? Minimal and over a massive period of time! Who needs science?

#60 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 03:51 PM | Reply

"Now all they have to do is convince the unwashed masses to reduce their standards of living for benefits--1 or 2 degrees temperature reduction by 2100--that won't appear in their lifetime."

Sounds like you're not convinced yourself.

#61 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 03:53 PM | Reply

Who needs science?

#60 | Posted by DirkStruan

Who needs your ignorant blathering and strawmen? Welcome to the corn field.

#62 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 03:57 PM | Reply

#62

You accuse me of strawmen after post #59? Too rich.

Still waiting for your answer on Russia, coward.

#63 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:00 PM | Reply

Of course. It's the only way to immediately reduce emissions without any technology breakthroughs that take years. Now all they have to do is convince the unwashed masses to reduce their standards of living for benefits--1 or 2 degrees temperature reduction by 2100--that won't appear in their lifetime.

#59 | Posted by nullifidian

Hey Nulli - do you brush your teeth? Why? It doesn't prevent ALL cavities and you wont see the benefit of it for many years.

My your logic, buying toothpaste is just a waste of money.

#64 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 04:02 PM | Reply

My your logic, buying toothpaste is just a waste of money.

#64 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-12-10 04:02 PM

Which is exactly (strawman noted) how many of Le Gilets Jaunes and the Brits that are covering these riots feel about dental hygiene in general.

#65 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 04:07 PM | Reply

Why should the working class shoulder the cost of fixing climate change when the rich are the ones directly benefiting from it.

Really? You don't use fossil fuels? Do you live in a cave?

#66 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:07 PM | Reply

#64

Your analogies on this subject are really bad because the equivalence is bad. The measures you support will have next-to-nil effect on warming but will cause great harm to the poor and economic harm to the middle class. It's an emotional, feel-good response.

#67 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 04:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Really? You don't use fossil fuels? Do you live in a cave?

#66 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN AT 2018-12-10 04:07 PM | FLAG:

Moving the goalposts. The rich benefit more than the poor. You know that, of course.

#68 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:11 PM | Reply

"The measures you support will have next-to-nil effect on warming"

Because you say so? Go back to wearing a hole in your basement floor, you hack.

#69 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:12 PM | Reply

The rightist hive mind is in full defense mode now.

#70 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:13 PM | Reply

"The measures you support will have next-to-nil effect on warming"

Hey JeffJ.
The measures you support, what effect will they have on warming?

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 04:14 PM | Reply

Take it up with the scientists, Dirk. You were lauding them earlier on this thread.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 04:16 PM | Reply

I bring up the science and those who label everyone they disagree with as "climate deniers" go into full denial mode. The irony is quite funny.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 04:19 PM | Reply

#72

You know, I would but they all seem to agree with me. Funny, huh?

#74 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:20 PM | Reply

"I bring up the science"

Doubtful.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 04:20 PM | Reply

--will cause great harm to the poor

Yeah, but who cares if people die in the winter and summer because they can't afford heating and cooling? To make a green omelette, you have to crack some eggs.

#76 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:20 PM | Reply

"I bring up the science"

Really? Where? I didn't see any science.

#77 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:21 PM | Reply

"Yeah, but who cares if people die in the winter and summer because they can't afford heating and cooling?"

The same people who support social welfare programs that will keep that from happening. In other words, leftists.

#78 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:23 PM | Reply

Pretend to care about the poor some more,
Righty drones. I need a good laugh.

#79 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:24 PM | Reply

--label everyone they disagree with as "climate deniers"

If you don't agree with the most extreme, worst-case predictions, you're a "denier". Believing in some degree of moderate global warming is not acceptable to the extremists, because it doesn't justify "green socialism" or whatever they're calling it these days.

#80 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:28 PM | Reply

#80

Nice conspiracy theory there, Nulli.

#81 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

arlohemphill.com

#82 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:32 PM | Reply

Al Gore recently had a telling altercation with a journalist. The Spectator's Ross Clark wanted to ask him about Miami sea-level rises suggested in the new film, "An Inconvenient Sequel." The reporter started to explain that he had consulted Florida International University sea-level-rise expert Shimon Wdowinski. Gore's response: "Never heard of him -- is he a denier?" Then he asked the journalist, "Are you a denier?"

When Clark responded that he was sure climate change is a problem but didn't know how big, Gore declared, "You are a denier."

Now even climate-change believers count as ‘deniers'
nypost.com

#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:32 PM | Reply

Believing in some degree of moderate global warming is not acceptable to the extremists, because it doesn't justify "green socialism" or whatever they're calling it these days.
#80 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

Well, yeah, when that degree of 'moderate' is so low that apathy is the perceived best method to address ACC, they very well should be critical of such beliefs.

#84 | Posted by rstybeach11 at 2018-12-10 04:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Nullifidian desperately needs this to be about belief, not action.

#85 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 04:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's ACC? Did you mean AGW?

#86 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:34 PM | Reply

What's ACC? Did you mean AGW?
#86 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

What's pettifogging? Did you mean gaslighting?

#87 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 04:37 PM | Reply

Sounds to me like Gore was calling out concern trolls like Nulli and Jeff. Good on him. The

#88 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 04:37 PM | Reply

The measures you support will have next-to-nil effect on warming but will cause great harm to the poor and economic harm to the middle class.
#67 | Posted by JeffJ

Oh right we all forgot how concerned jeff is for the poor. Tell me jeff, what is the effect on the poor of catastrophic climate change? I doubt you've looked into it so I'll give you time to google it.

#89 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 04:45 PM | Reply

"What's ACC?" - #86 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-10 04:34 PM

Atlantic Coast Conference. 🐯

#90 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-10 04:46 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

I love the republican plan for fixing climate change. It's the same as their plan to stop school shootings: thoughts and prayers, then do nothing.

#91 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-12-10 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

what is the effect on the poor of possible catastrophic climate change?- Speaksoftly

Higher regressive taxes....

#91 | POSTED BY ALEXANDRITE

Better than the Paris treaty participants.

#92 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-10 05:08 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Reading the utter stupidity of Conservatives on here is pretty amazing.

The arguments are sheer ridiculous:
1. All of science is wrong and climate change isn't happening.
2. Climate Change is happening but it can't be man-made even though no other explanation exists.
3. Violent protests are awesome because they are against the Left.
4. Rich Lefties fly private jets...but lets not mention many specific people or what they do to offset their carbon foot print.
5. Al Gore...who has solar panels all over his house and which is also an office building for his work.

Idiots don't even realize the France protests had little do with a gas tax. There was a host of other taxes and other issuers that caused them.

Look, we are waiting for Conservatives to suggest an answer and, as usual, it's just whining and crying about how taxes are unfair and Lefties are bad.

If you can't figure out a solution, get the hell out of the way and shut your mouth until you have something to offer.

#93 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-12-10 05:30 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Oh right we all forgot how concerned jeff is for the poor. Tell me jeff, what is the effect on the poor of catastrophic climate change? I doubt you've looked into it so I'll give you time to google it.

#89 | POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY

Obviously I care much more about the poor than you.

Your question is a logical fallacy. The underlying presumption is that the cult that you subscribe to will in any way prevent "catastrophic climate change". It won't, yet you are willing to make the poor into the truly impoverished just so you can feel good about yourself.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 05:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Putting it in bold doesn't make it any easier to read, Sycophant.

#95 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 05:34 PM | Reply

JeffJ's back to add more nothing to the discussion.

#96 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 05:36 PM | Reply

"The underlying presumption is that the cult that you subscribe to will in any way prevent "catastrophic climate change". It won't"

So catastrophic climate change is now inevitable, JeffJ?

Yes or no.

#97 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 05:37 PM | Reply

Or is catastrophic climate change just not going to happen, no mayter what anyone does, is that it?

#98 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 05:38 PM | Reply

Obviously I care much more about the poor than you.

Says the guy who supports the most regressive solutions to virtually every fiscal problem confronting America. You don't care about the poor; you use them against liberals as a hypocrisy sword and that's about it.

#99 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-10 05:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Your question is a logical fallacy. The underlying presumption is that the cult that you subscribe to will in any way prevent "catastrophic climate change". It won't, yet you are willing to make the poor into the truly impoverished just so you can feel good about yourself.

#94 | Posted by JeffJ

Just saying something won't work doesn't make it true.

If you have lung cancer, quitting smoking isn't going to cure your cancer, but it is a big step towards possibly surviving.

You see the world in such childish black and white terms, where anything that isn't a magic wand cure with no costs, isn't worth pursuing. Or at least you copy-and-paste exxon's childish arguments for them.

#100 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 05:48 PM | Reply

-If you don't agree with the most extreme, worst-case predictions, you're a "denier".

NW

been accused of it many times myself. for no other reason that I don't buy into the most absurd predictions of calamity.

#101 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 05:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

been accused of it many times myself. for no other reason that I don't buy into the most absurd predictions of calamity.

#101 | Posted by eberly

You mean you DENY scientific consensus, and they lump you in with the DENIERS? That's so unfair.

Just like when you march next to nazis and klansmen everyone thinks you're a white supremacist. So unfair.

#102 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 05:57 PM | Reply

-You mean you DENY scientific consensus

no. absurd predictions of calamity.

-Just like when you march next to nazis and klansmen everyone thinks you're a white supremacist

you never disappoint... ... .you're a purse swinging hysteric.

#103 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 06:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

That made no sense whatsoever
#6 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN

You might want to have that permanently in your clipboard for pasting, since you're an objectively dumb ----.

#104 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 06:01 PM | Reply

and to the point.....who didn't see this coming?

Who here didn't expect the cost to be shouldered by the working class?

#105 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 06:02 PM | Reply

"for no other reason that I don't buy into the most absurd predictions of calamity.
#101 | Posted by eberly"

So, like, what sensible predictions of moderate discomfort do you believe, or are there none?

Do you guys even realize you're pettifogging the issue here?

I don't think you do.

And that puts you in the "denier" category.

#106 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:03 PM | Reply

-since you're an objectively dumb ----.

nice....when you're going to insult someone...try to use better grammar

#107 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 06:07 PM | Reply

I remember the great Zatoichi, who was revered by everyone on this issue, even by the folks who didn't agree with him.

If he said it once, he said it 1,000 times that "It's been too late for decades"

Nobody here accusing anybody of being a denier challenged him on it.

I guess Zat was a denier considering he was challenging the solutions being discussed.

Actually very few solutions have ever been discussed....just grade school accusations of "DENIER!!" being spewed.

nobody takes those accusations seriously.

#108 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 06:12 PM | Reply

no. absurd predictions of calamity.

#103 | Posted by eberly

What is an ABSURD prediction of calamity, versus a REASONABLE prediction of calamity, in your eyes?

#109 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 06:16 PM | Reply

#107 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Your retardation and overconfidence is noted.

Get yourself some help, eb.

#110 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 06:16 PM | Reply

Who here didn't expect the cost to be shouldered by the working class?
#105 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Wow, this must be the musings of a real stable genius. Just because its what was expected means we can't do anything. How about that?

Great contribution, eberly.

#111 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 06:17 PM | Reply

Fixing Climate Change

Oh, I didn't know there was a "fix" for Global Warming, and the "Fix" is $5,500.00 per ton. that was easy

#112 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 06:18 PM | Reply

"If he said it once, he said it 1,000 times that "It's been too late for decades"

And is this what you believe, Eberly?

Or do you not have beliefs on this subject, and you're just here to ---- on anyone who does?

#113 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I guess Zat was a denier considering he was challenging the solutions being discussed.

And don't forget, he had his Climate Change Pool...

#114 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 06:23 PM | Reply

Fixing Climate Change

Oh, I didn't know there was a "fix" for Global Warming, and the "Fix" is $5,500.00 per ton. that was easy

#112 | Posted by Maverick

When you have polluters' hands up your puppet ass, you focus on words like "fix" and play semantics games, instead of actually discussing the crisis.

#115 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 06:35 PM | Reply

"Happy Extinction" doesn't sound like the last words of a Denier.

What am I missing?

Deniers used to deny man can possibly cause climate change.

Deniers 2.0 now say there's no way mankind can possibly undo the changes we've made to climate.

Is that about it?

#116 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Says the guy who supports the most regressive solutions to virtually every fiscal problem confronting America.

Straw man alert!

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 06:39 PM | Reply

#117 needs a "Adds nothing to the discussion" alert.

#118 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:42 PM | Reply

"What is an ABSURD prediction of calamity, versus a REASONABLE prediction of calamity, in your eyes?"

This question is too hard for them.

They won't answer.

Hi Eberly.

#119 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

snoofy-

republicans don't know how to govern anymore.

if it doesn't involve cutting taxes, or riling up the base, they don't care.

health care? mass shootings? climate change?

Nothing can be done.

#120 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2018-12-10 06:47 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

You complain about anyone who doesnt go along with your fantasy about being a woman, so there's that.
#8 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-10 10:22 AM

And YOU complain about anyone who dares mention that you are on DOD welfare, so there's THAT.

#121 | Posted by e1g1 at 2018-12-10 06:50 PM | Reply

Straw man alert!

#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-12-10 06:39 PM | FLAG:

Deny it all you want.

#122 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 06:51 PM | Reply

It's funny that Joe falsely accuses me of supporting regressive solutions to problems yet when it comes to AGW he supports solutions that are ridiculously regressive.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 06:52 PM | Reply

It's funny that Joe falsely accuses me of supporting regressive solutions to problems yet when it comes to AGW he supports solutions that are ridiculously regressive.

#123 | Posted by JeffJ

Guys, jeffj is totally open to fighting climate change, as long as the solution is guaranteed to completely fix the problem and not cost anything.

If no such solution exists, then screw all the poor people whose lives will be destroyed in climate catastrophes.

#124 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 06:56 PM | Reply

There are 2 issues:

1. The reality of Man Made Global Warming; and

2. The cost changing human activity to offset the impact of MMGW.

Rightwingers lie when they consistently deny the fact that MMGW is occurring and in fact accelerating at a scary rate such that it is already affecting the planets. Fires, mudslides, hurricanes, etc are all increasing, seemingly exponentially.

Leftwingers lie when they consistently downplay the incredibly high financial cost of effectively countering MMGW. There is no way of doing it without impacting the standard of living for millions of people on this planet.

It would be nice if people would engage in honest discussion on such a crucial topic.

#125 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-10 06:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"when it comes to AGW he supports solutions that are ridiculously regressive.
#123 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

I guess consumption taxes are "ridiculously regressive" now.

#126 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 06:58 PM | Reply

"yet when it comes to AGW he supports solutions
#123 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

when it comes to AGW,
what does JeffJ support???

#127 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 07:00 PM | Reply

#125

I wish it were possible too, Mod8.

The solutions that make the most sense to me are the ones put forth by a group called Copenhagen Consensus.

#128 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 07:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Speak,

just copied what the headlines reads "Fixing Climate Change"

question; if half of the USA STOPS using internal combustion engines, i.e lawn mowers, vehicles, buses, etc... would that help or stop the warming?

#129 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:11 PM | Reply

Leftwingers lie when they consistently downplay the incredibly high financial cost of effectively countering MMGW. There is no way of doing it without impacting the standard of living for millions of people on this planet.

It would be nice if people would engage in honest discussion on such a crucial topic.

#125 | Posted by moder8

Leftwingers don't lie about that. We simply point out that while doing something is expensive, doing NOTHING is MORE expensive.

#130 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 07:11 PM | Reply

question; if half of the USA STOPS using internal combustion engines, i.e lawn mowers, vehicles, buses, etc... would that help or stop the warming?

#129 | Posted by Maverick

Every molecule of carbon that doesn't combust helps slow the warming.

#131 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 07:14 PM | Reply

"In May 2012, the third global Copenhagen Consensus[5] was held, gathering economists to analyze the costs and benefits of different approaches to tackling the world‘s biggest problems. The aim was to provide an answer to the question: If you had $75bn for worthwhile causes, where should you start?"

So JeffJ is okay with... whatever, so long as it only costs $75bn, and climate change is just one of the many problems we spend that $75bn on.

To put that number in perspective, Exxon Mobil takes in about $50bn in revenue... every quarter.

#132 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 07:16 PM | Reply

#130

Virtue signalling at its finest...

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 07:16 PM | Reply

"There is no way of doing it without impacting the standard of living for millions of people on this planet."

Impacting millions on a planet of billions... leaves 99% of people unaffected.

#134 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 07:19 PM | Reply

Absolute Proof?

#135 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:20 PM | Reply

#133 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Financial responsibility is virtue signaling?

The economic deficit of the right is just too great to fix. We'll fix global warming before we get right wingers doing even single-digit addition.

#136 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 07:24 PM | Reply

The elimination of CFCs were supposed to reduce or stop the growth of the Ozone layer hole, that didn't happen. Scientist said it would help or stop it. so much for the scientist

#137 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:24 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#137 Way to shoot yourself in the foot with that one.

#138 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 07:26 PM | Reply

another question; assuming (for me) there is GW... ... ... ..proven! then why are we supplying more and more money to these Scientist when they have told us what causes GW?

#139 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:28 PM | Reply

Feb 6, 2018, 01:00am Forbes

"Sorry, Earth, The Ozone Layer Isn't Healing Itself After All"

So, not CFCs, lets bring back CFCs

#140 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:30 PM | Reply

for every scientist that says there is, there is another that contradicts

#141 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:32 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#120

Alex,

PJ O'Rourke puts it best (paraphrased):

Conservatives spend all of their time trying to convince everyone that government is incompetent and when they get elected they set out to prove it.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 07:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My overall point is, where is all the ------- money going? research, that's been done, over and over again.

#143 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:35 PM | Reply

No Scientist has a clear cut plan THAT is guaranteed to fix GW... ... ... ... .as they travel around the world in Jets and go home driving their SUVs

and, Chicken Little (Al Gore) is the worst.

#144 | Posted by Maverick at 2018-12-10 07:40 PM | Reply

for every scientist that says there is, there is another that contradicts

#141 | POSTED BY MAVERICK AT 2018-12-10 07:32 PM | FLAG:

Lies.

#145 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 07:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"and, Chicken Little (Al Gore) is the worst."

He's not even a scientist.

Maverick, you don't seem like a simpleton.
But on this topic, you are still in diapers.
And you don't mind the stink of your own ----.

#146 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 07:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#140 Facts don't give a ---- about your GOP-assigned beliefs.

#147 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 07:51 PM | Reply

"Antifa attacks FASCIST citizens. And fascist sympathizers like yourself get real butthurt about it."

Are you sure?

Are they checking to make sure that the people they attack are carrying their fascist membership cards? And are you sure those are fascists cars they set on fire? Fascist stores they destroyed and looted? Fascist ATM machines that were vandalized?

Seems a little unlikely to me. But from my perspective, it's permissible to be a fascist here. Just like it's permissible to be a communist, or a socialist. Or member of some other fringe weirdo group.

#148 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 07:55 PM | Reply

"No Scientist has a clear cut plan THAT is guaranteed to fix GW."

That's because climate engineering requires technology that is likely beyond our grasp. In terms of climate history, the earth is still experiencing a pretty significant cold snap. The planet is going to get warmer, regardless of whether humans are here or not. The only real solution to this warming would be to install a thermostat and create the conditions for humans to regulate global temps the same way they do with temps in their cars and homes.

The immediate problem would be, who gets to set the temp. Global warming is likely going to favor some residents of the planet over others.

#149 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:00 PM | Reply

#148 Why are you blaming antifa for the actions of anarchists? I can just as easily say it was republicans, nazis, and other trump supporters that lit the cars on fire and looted businesses.

The difference is that my claim would be supporter by the countless examples of right-wing riots and violence throughout the US.

"Its permissible to be a fascist."

Holy ----, you must have General Grant spinning in his grave. He probably regrets not killing all the confederates when people like you say things like that.

#150 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-10 08:00 PM | Reply

Global warming is likely going to favor some residents of the planet over others.

#149 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 08:00 PM

That would be "who are the rich", Alec.

I will take Ape --- for 1000...

#151 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-10 08:13 PM | Reply

"In terms of climate history"

Yes, let's go back 3,600,000,000 years to when there was earth bit no humans, not the last 250,000 years or so during which humans arose on earth.

#152 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:18 PM | Reply

"Holy ----, you must have General Grant spinning in his grave. He probably regrets not killing all the confederates when people like you say things like that."

Are you saying that fascists living in the US should not be subject to the legal protections offered to other fringe groups?

Should the law of the land be that communists and socialists be allowed to be persecuted as well because of their beliefs?

#153 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:19 PM | Reply

"Yes, let's go back 3,600,000,000 years to when there was earth bit no humans, not the last 250,000 years or so during which humans arose on earth."

Can I chalk you up as a proponent in favor of a global thermostat? That would be the only way you could ensure that the earth remained in a cold snap.

#154 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:20 PM | Reply

"The only real solution to this warming would be to install a thermostat"

We installed that already.
But capitalists run the controls.
Capitalism makes more money the more fossil fuel gets burned.

Thanks, Capitalism!

#155 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And in reality, the last crazy warm snap, the PETM, is credited with giving rise to mammals. So I don't think I'd be going out on a limb by suggesting we'd be OK.

If this were global cooling...the threat of another ice age. That would be a little scary. I think I'd survive warming. Not sure you'd survive much of anything...but I'd be OK.

#156 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:23 PM | Reply

Virtue signalling at its finest...

#133 | Posted by Rightocenter

ROC thinks MATH is virtue signaling.

#157 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 08:23 PM | Reply

Can I chalk you up as a proponent in favor of a global thermostat? That would be the only way you could ensure that the earth remained in a cold snap.

#154 | Posted by madbomber

Your a proponent of cranking the global thermostat as high as it needs to go to ensure polluters don't lose any profits.

#158 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 08:24 PM | Reply

"And in reality, the last crazy warm snap, the PETM, is credited with giving rise to mammals. So I don't think I'd be going out on a limb by suggesting we'd be OK."

Only you would be going out on a limb, according to actual scientists (as opposed to hobbiests with middle school level scorn e knowledge such as yourself).

#159 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:25 PM | Reply

But from my perspective, it's permissible to be a fascist here.
#148 | Posted by madbomber

Here, like on the DR? Yeah.

Here, in america? No trumpism is a fascist movement, celebrated in 1/3 of the country. That's clearly permissible.

#160 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 08:26 PM | Reply

Can I chalk you up as a proponent in favor of a global thermostat? That would be the only way you could ensure that the earth remained in a cold snap.

#154 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 08:20 PM | FLAG:

You can't see the difference between climate change due to factors outside human control and occurring over massive time scales and human caused climate change occurring over dramatically shorter ones?

#161 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:28 PM | Reply

125

Nailed it.

#162 | Posted by eberly at 2018-12-10 08:29 PM | Reply

"You can't see the difference between climate change due to factors outside human control and occurring over massive time scales and human caused climate change occurring over dramatically shorter ones?"

I can...they're just not that important.

A rising sea level is going to affect Amsterdam...whether it's a function of human activity or something else.

#163 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:30 PM | Reply

"Your a proponent of cranking the global thermostat as high as it needs to go to ensure polluters don't lose any profits."

Trying to avoid answering the question?

#164 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:32 PM | Reply

"I can...they're just not that important."

Sure they are. One gives you time to adapt and the other doesn't. One can be slowed, stopped, or reversed by changes in human behavior and the other cannot be. It really is quite simple.

#165 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:34 PM | Reply

Trying to avoid answering the question?

#164 | Posted by madbomber

A ridiculous question.

No one should have to explain that we should do our best to maintain the climate that human society developed under.
And that the best way to do that is not burn climate heating fuel sources.
Why do trumpers need the simplest things explained to them?

#166 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 08:34 PM | Reply

"Only you would be going out on a limb, according to actual scientists (as opposed to hobbiests with middle school level scorn e knowledge such as yourself)."

I feel like you haven't actually read any of the reports. At least not from the actual scientists. Most are what you would expect from scientists. Unbiased, and unpolitical.

Several years ago, I attempted to post a series of articles written by a team at Yale. RCade removed them.

#167 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:35 PM | Reply

Several years ago, I attempted to post a series of articles written by a team at Yale. RCade removed them.

#167 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 08:35 PM | FLAG:

Denialist propaganda doesn't need another platform.

#168 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:36 PM | Reply

"No one should have to explain that we should do our best to maintain the climate that human society developed under."

I don't think you're actually smart enough to participate in this conversation. Maybe you can consult a handler on what they could provide you in terms of talking points when getting into the finer details of climate change.

#169 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:36 PM | Reply

"Denialist propaganda doesn't need another platform."

Hopefully those scientists are now lying in a shallow grave...inshallah.

#170 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:38 PM | Reply

"I don't think you're actually smart enough to participate in this conversation."

You are posting science facts you got off the back of a cereal box ("Da eart's climot haz chanjed b4!!1"), stripping them of all context, and smugly declaring victory.

#171 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:39 PM | Reply

Hopefully those scientists are now lying in a shallow grave...inshallah.

#170 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 08:38 PM | FLAG:

Could you be MORE melodramatic?

#172 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:41 PM | Reply

125
Nailed it.
#162 | POSTED BY EBERLY

Well then this nailed it too:

"There is no way of doing it without impacting the standard of living for millions of people on this planet."

Impacting millions on a planet of billions... leaves 99% of people unaffected.
#134 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

#173 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:41 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A rising sea level is going to affect Amsterdam...whether it's a function of human activity or something else.
#163 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER"

Only if it's human activity that can't be stopped.

Are you on Team Denier 2.0, aka Team Happy Extinction, MadBomber?

#174 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:43 PM | Reply

"Several years ago, I attempted to post a series of articles written by a team at Yale."

National Lampoon?

#175 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:44 PM | Reply

Tell me, Bomber, you poor persecuted soul, do you think RCade had the "scientists" silenced?

#176 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:45 PM | Reply

You guys are retarded. I'm pretty sure your ancestors were throwing poo at each other a few generations back.

#177 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:52 PM | Reply

Brendan and Dale.

#178 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:53 PM | Reply

Ableist slur flagged.

#179 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:54 PM | Reply

You guys are retarded. I'm pretty sure your ancestors were throwing poo at each other a few generations back.

#177 | Posted by madbomber

A guy who doesn't trust science tells those who do that they're retarded.

Trump's america.

#180 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 08:55 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"A guy who doesn't trust science tells those who do that they're retarded."

To reiterate...I was the one providing the data. It was Dirk who was saying they needed to be silenced.

#181 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:57 PM | Reply

"To reiterate...I was the one providing the data."

Fake data.

#182 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:58 PM | Reply

And I'd still be happy to provide it...but I think it would jut be deleted again. It wasn't even crazy stuff...just reports on the effects of PETM on plants in the equatorial regions. But it did paint a less than bleak picture on the effects of climate change.

#183 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:59 PM | Reply

"It was Dirk who was saying they needed to be silenced."

"Silenced." What a dramatic little snowflake you are.

#184 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:59 PM | Reply

"Fake data."

From those conspirators at Yale?

#185 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:00 PM | Reply

And I'd still be happy to provide it...but I think it would jut be deleted again. It wasn't even crazy stuff...just reports on the effects of PETM on plants in the equatorial regions. But it did paint a less than bleak picture on the effects of climate change.

#183 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 08:59 PM | FLAG:

A likely story.

#186 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:00 PM | Reply

Are you the same person as Danni?

#187 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:01 PM | Reply

I feel like you would have happily been one of Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria's minions...had you been born earlier.

#188 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:02 PM | Reply

From those conspirators at Yale?

#185 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:00 PM | FLAG:

Argument from authority... without you actually presenting an authority. Convenient! Magically fallacious!

#189 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:03 PM | Reply

"It wasn't even crazy stuff...just reports on the effects of PETM on plants in the equatorial regions. "

That's good news for humans, who are also plants!

#190 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 09:03 PM | Reply

I feel like you would have happily been one of Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria's minions...had you been born earlier.

#188 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:02 PM | FLAG:

Nice namedrop Cletus. Did you have to google it?

You seem more like the Goebbels type.... that bit about repeating lies often enough...

#191 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:04 PM | Reply

190

And PETM is totally the same as the current warming trend! No differences at all! Wow!

#192 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:06 PM | Reply

And good thing all humans live on the equator, huh? Man, that sure sets my mind at ease!

#193 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:08 PM | Reply

"You seem more like the Goebbels type.... that bit about repeating lies often enough..."

Goodness...I feel like we should send each other Christmas cards! Or I send you a card and you send me an assassin. You being Beria, after all.

#194 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:10 PM | Reply

"And PETM is totally the same as the current warming trend! No differences at all! Wow!"

Totally based on you vast analytical understanding of climate science, no?

Maybe you should go smoke some more pot and leave this ---- to the competent grown ups. Don't worry...I'll make sure you don't drown.

#195 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:12 PM | Reply

"And good thing all humans live on the equator, huh? Man, that sure sets my mind at ease!"

In terms of climate, regions closer to the equator are less susceptible to change. It's the northern latitudes than experience the most profound changes.

You're welcome.

#196 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:14 PM | Reply

Goodness...I feel like we should send each other Christmas cards! Or I send you a card and you send me an assassin. You being Beria, after all.

#194 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:10 PM | FLAG:

Feeling threatened, snowflake?

Boo!

#197 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:14 PM | Reply

In terms of climate, regions closer to the equator are less susceptible to change. It's the northern latitudes than experience the most profound changes.

You're welcome.

#196 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:14 PM | FLAG:

Yeah.... and a lot of people live there.

#198 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:15 PM | Reply

"Totally based on you vast analytical understanding of climate science, no?"

It's my superpower. I can spot a false equivalence at a 100 paces.

#199 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:16 PM | Reply

You're adorable...boop!

#200 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:22 PM | Reply

Like a feisty kitten...

#201 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:23 PM | Reply

......are you hitting on me?

#202 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:24 PM | Reply

"In terms of climate, regions closer to the equator are less susceptible to change."

Okay. So they're less susceptible.
Are they... also less adaptable?

#203 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 09:27 PM | Reply

Maybe you should go smoke some more pot and leave this ---- to the competent grown ups. Don't worry...I'll make sure you don't drown.

#195 | Posted by madbomber

A stoned stoner is smarter than you when you're arguing that climate change won't be so bad.

#204 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 09:29 PM | Reply

"......are you hitting on me?"

Are you a girl with a pulse...then maybe.

#205 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:31 PM | Reply

"A stoned stoner is smarter than you when you're arguing that climate change won't be so bad."

Was it bad when it happened before?

#206 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:31 PM | Reply

"Was it bad when it happened before?"

Why don't you consult some of the written accounts from the PETM and get back to us on that one.

#207 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 09:34 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Me?

I'm not a scientist.

And when I did provide that info, by scientists...it was removed.

#208 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:43 PM | Reply

Was it bad when it happened before?

#206 | Posted by madbomber

Why don't you ask the dinosaurs?

I'm sure they'll tell you it was no big deal.

#209 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-10 10:04 PM | Reply

#209 Speaks,

Scientific evidence points to a catastrophic asteroid strike as the cause for the mass extinction of dinosaurs.

#210 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 10:06 PM | Reply

Was it bad when it happened before?

#206 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:31 PM | FLAG:

Was the situation at all the same? Nope. Guess you lose.

#211 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 10:23 PM | Reply

Says the guy who supports the most regressive solutions to virtually every fiscal problem confronting America.

Straw man alert!
#117 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-12-10 06:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

It's not a strawman. You've said, repeatedly, that everyone needs to feel what it costs to have liberal government policies. So, are there areas of big government your sick deterrent doesn't apply to? If so, name them. Otherwise it wasn't a strawman.

#212 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-10 10:43 PM | Reply

No one cares what the working class thinks as their Masters [rulers] will decide what is best for them, whether they like it or not.

#213 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-12-10 10:44 PM | Reply

It's not a strawman. You've said, repeatedly, that everyone needs to feel what it costs to have liberal government policies. So, are there areas of big government your sick deterrent doesn't apply to? If so, name them. Otherwise it wasn't a strawman.

#212 | POSTED BY JOE

It's a straw man because it presumes I support liberal government policies. Even what you just posted is a distortion of what I said. What I said was if the people truly want big government then they should pay for it. There is NOTHING regressive about that. That comment was aimed at the middle and upper-middle class who advocates big government but doesn't want to pay for it personally.

#214 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 10:50 PM | Reply

"What I said was if the people truly want big government then they should pay for it. There is NOTHING regressive about that."

There's nothing not-regressive about it either.

Now, who in JeffJ's world wants big government?
That's poor people who want more handouts, right?
So, if the poor should pay, then you're saying, tax those who want it, which is the poor.
Regressive.

#215 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 11:28 PM | Reply

The single greatest consumer of oil on the planet earth is the US military. This cannot continue. The military recognizes climate change threatens their continuing domination.

#216 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-11 01:27 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"French President Emanuel Macron, his political career in peril and his country engulfed in increasingly violent protests, pleaded with the country's employers Monday to give their workers a bonus and also promised a reduction in taxes in a bid to restore order after demonstrations have deeply shaken the nation during the past month."

Trying to buy off the demonstrators with tax cuts and begging employers to help him out is quite a fall for this smug elitist who American leftists were slobbering over a few weeks ago.

#217 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-11 08:05 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Class warfare is alive and well. It always pits the interests of capitalists against laborers. Capitalists control our Government and do not like to pay for anything. Capitalism is failing. It destroys the the natural world, not just with CO2, NOx, methane and Freon, but with glyphosate and thousands of other chemicals and radioactive isotopes. A frantic international search for profits squeezes workers who need to spend more to keep the system going. This makes the Chinese people more important than Americans or the EU. Otherwise, what are the Capitalists going to do with all the stuff they make? In the end capitalism commodifies human beings just like it commodifies everything.

#218 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-11 10:11 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#218 | Posted by bayviking

Bla bla bla. What's your alternative to capitalism? Marxist socialism?

#219 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-11 10:15 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The problem with capitalism it that it allows the poor and middle class to consume at higher rates than ever before. With socialism only the elites will be allowed high rates of consumption. The wealthy will carry on as they always have.

#220 | Posted by visitor_ at 2018-12-11 10:24 AM | Reply

Now that Macron has switched from saving the planet to saving his job, who is next elitist snob to step up to the plate and tell the peasants to sacrifice their living standards? Jerry Moonbeam? He'll have plenty of time after he leaves office.

#221 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-11 10:38 AM | Reply

#219, no argument there.
#220, 1) Yes, through looser and looser credit terms, until bankruptcy. 2) No, progressive taxation coupled with government subsidies of capitalism's failings can and does keep the inherent problems manageable.
#221, California is booming

A major obstacle in the not so free United States is Taft-Hartley, which forbids general strikes, and the rise of the police State loaded with military equipment. This is institutionalized Fascism. The only escape from Fascism is to disobey the law and have a general strike, as is occurring in a freer France. But people have to be willing to put their lives on the line for that to work. I don't think it bad enough yet for that to happen here. Nothing like 1929 yet.

#222 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-11 10:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Scientific evidence points to a catastrophic asteroid strike as the cause for the mass extinction of dinosaurs.

#210 | Posted by JeffJ

Yes. A catestrophic asteroid strike, leading to massive rapid climate change.

But please professor jeff, teach us more about science, since you know so much more than the professionals.

#223 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-11 11:03 AM | Reply

Scientific evidence points to supernova as well. There are problems we can address and problems we cannot.

#224 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-11 11:54 AM | Reply

But please professor jeff, teach us more about science, since you know so much more than the professionals.

POSTED BY SPEAKSOFTLY AT 2018-12-11 11:03 AM | REPLY

He doesn't know jack schitt. He just runs his yap like a right winged fool.

#225 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-11 12:04 PM | Reply

"No, progressive taxation coupled with government subsidies of capitalism's failings can and does keep the inherent problems manageable."

Um...America does this in spades. In 5 years time, my salary bumped over ~$60k progressively as I got promotions and moved employers. The tax rate I pay in every paycheck now is 15% more than what I had to pay 5 years ago. Now, I know that's not the degree of progression that Liberals want but it is progressive tax. The only real difference between what capitalism is today and the socialism that Liberals want is that Liberals want the government to have full legal control over everything so they can target groups who they feel are privileged and legally take what they have and redistribute it.

While there are varying degrees of positives and negatives to both systems, your statement already describes what America does today. It's the intent of control the statement lacks.

#226 | Posted by humtake at 2018-12-11 12:15 PM | Reply

Are you saying that fascists living in the US should not be subject to the legal protections offered to other fringe groups?
#153 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

I'm not saying that all. What a fascist interpretation of my post.

#227 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-11 12:17 PM | Reply

#206, Its always ridiculous to listen to right wingers define socialism. But no rational democratic socialist wants to obliterate capitalism. Life is a mix of necessities and luxuries. Necessities require government control to prevent monopolistic abuse and keep the cost living and conducting business competitive. This applies to things like air, water and food, also roads, energy and even communication. Rental rates and housing costs are a huge drag on the economy, but it serves banks and landlords well.

#228 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-11 01:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

It's my superpower. I can spot a false equivalence at a 100 paces.

#199 | Posted by DirkStruan

So that's why you do it so much?

#229 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-11 02:24 PM | Reply

So that's why you do it so much?

#229 | Posted by boaz

Every since trump was elected, false equivalencies rain down a monsoon.

It's all trump supporters can do. They can't say he's not a liar. They can't say he's not a cheater. They can't say he's fiscally responsible.

All they can do is PRETEND other presidents have been worse.

If you are annoyed by being called out about false equivalencies, you could just stop using them.

#230 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-11 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm not saying that all. What a fascist interpretation of my post."

You're adorable. But you did forget to call me a reactionary bourgeoise as well.

#231 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 06:18 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"It's all trump supporters can do. They can't say he's not a liar. They can't say he's not a cheater. They can't say he's fiscally responsible."

Your first mistake is binning everyone you disagree with as being Trump supporters. I disagree with Trump as much as I disagree with you.

And since he was elected, one of the things I've seen become common is the use of the term "fascist" to apply yo anyone who disagrees with whatever narrative a progressive happens to be pushing. I'm pretty staunchly libertarian, which is the diametric opposite of fascism. But it's not a new phenomenon. Socialists routinely referred to their adversaries, even other progressives, as fascists when their messaging conflicted with that being pushed by the COMINTERN on their socialist masters.

#232 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 06:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

And since he was elected, one of the things I've seen become common is the use of the term "fascist" to apply yo anyone who disagrees with whatever narrative a progressive happens to be pushing. I'm pretty staunchly libertarian, which is the diametric opposite of fascism. But it's not a new phenomenon. Socialists routinely referred to their adversaries, even other progressives, as fascists when their messaging conflicted with that being pushed by the COMINTERN on their socialist masters.

#232 | Posted by madbomber

If your hearing the term "fascist" a lot lately, maybe it's because trump is a fascist.

Lets see if this checklist rings any bells, then try to find another president who fits this list better than trump:

Disdain for human rights

Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

Supremacy of the military

Rampant sexism

Controlled mass media

Obsession with national security

Religion and government intertwined

Corporate power protected

Labor [sic] power suppressed

Disdain for intellectuals & the arts

Obsession with crime & punishment

Rampant cronyism & corruption

Fraudulent elections

#233 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-11 06:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

"I'm pretty staunchly libertarian"

So you're pro-fascism but only when its corporations doing the oppressing.

#234 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-11 06:51 PM | Reply

"I'm pretty staunchly libertarian"

--------.
You don't even smoke pot.

#235 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 07:11 PM | Reply

"So you're pro-fascism but only when its corporations doing the oppressing."

If you're aware of a business, incorporated or otherwise, with the legal right to oppress others, please share.

#235

Not yet, Scott. But that doesn't mean I won't in the future. And I'd definitely have no problem selling the ---- if nothing else.

#236 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 07:16 PM | Reply

"If you're aware of a business, incorporated or otherwise, with the legal right to oppress others, please share."

Corrections Corporation of America and GEO Group.
Blackwater/Xe.

#237 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 07:19 PM | Reply

op·pres·sion
/əˈpreSHən/
noun
prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

The cable company.
Before them, Ma Bell.
The banks.
Health insurance companies.

#238 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 07:23 PM | Reply

If you're aware of a business, incorporated or otherwise, with the legal right to oppress others, please share.
#236 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

De Beers Sa, The trump organization to name a few overt examples.

And if you libertarians have your poorly educated wishes met, there will be many more.

#239 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-11 07:30 PM | Reply

"Corrections Corporation of America and GEO Group. Blackwater/Xe."

Legally Oppress people how?

"De Beers Sa, The trump organization to name a few overt examples."

Same question...and isn't De Beers a non-US firm?

#240 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 08:14 PM | Reply

"Corrections Corporation of America and GEO Group. Blackwater/Xe."
Legally Oppress people how?"

By imprisoning or waging war on people, respectively.
You had to ask that???
Oookay!

#241 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 08:16 PM | Reply

Legally Oppress people how?

He's going to play stupid and argue that nothing anyone says meets an inaccessible, nebulous definition of "oppress."

Nobody should bother with this idiot.

#242 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-11 08:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He's going to argue that voluntary outlays of cash mean a business relationship can't be oppressive. That if you agreed to the contract then by definition it can't be oppressive.

(Which doesn't cover private prisons because the social contract was foist on all of us at birth (or at conception if you're a conservative.)

#243 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 08:31 PM | Reply

He's going to play stupid and argue that nothing anyone says meets an inaccessible, nebulous definition of "oppress."
Nobody should bother with this idiot.
#242 | POSTED BY JOE

If I could give this an ironic I could ...

This is how it is dealing with Snoofy, Danforth etal liberals on this site, and here you are complaining ...

Just look at the "oppressed" examples Snoofy gave, if you say those are really examples of oppression ... then that is where you are, complaining in the mirror .. .

#244 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-11 08:51 PM | Reply

"Just look at the "oppressed" examples Snoofy gave"

So if you were in prison, you wouldn't find that oppressive?

Are you... writing from prison?

#245 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-11 08:55 PM | Reply

It was sweet of Boaz to raise social consciousness of this issue. One minor point, The working class balks, not bulks. Capitalism has no moral conscience whatever, ZERO. This site must be raising Boaz's conscience. Imagine that.

#246 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-12 12:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

So if you were in prison, you wouldn't find that oppressive?

Not if I deserved it.... but of course that wasn't what I was implying, but you knew that ...

The cable company.
Before them, Ma Bell.
The banks.
Health insurance companies.

Here you go ....

now do these ...

#247 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-12 01:27 AM | Reply

The working class balks, not bulks.

Complaing to RCade, not original headline...

Capitalism has no moral conscience whatever, ZERO. ~ Bayviking

Agreed, can you think of a better system?

If the only thing that matters is green dollars, how does "race", "gender" et al even come into play?

That is the beauty of greed, there are downsides, but if we only followed greed, there would be no racism, bigotry et al ... kapiche?

#248 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-12 01:30 AM | Reply

"He's going to play stupid and argue that nothing anyone says meets an inaccessible, nebulous definition of "oppress."

Since you don't seem to be familiar with dictionaries, I'll throw you a bone:

verb (used with object)

to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power:
a people oppressed by totalitarianism.

to lie heavily upon (the mind, a person, etc.):
Care and sorrow oppressed them.

to weigh down, as sleep or weariness does.

You're welcome Joe.

#249 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-12 05:53 AM | Reply

Mad

There is a pretty fair argument that private prisons legally oppress people. I have read some pretty nasty stories and have not seen any prosecutions. SO while perhaps their oppression violates the law (perhaps not I honestly don't know) the fact that it goes un-prosecuted means it might as well be legal. Also paying employees pennies a day in America is pretty oppressive and that is a thing private prisons do all the time perfectly legally.

War is pretty oppressive to the people in the midst of it.

Telecoms is just hyperbole yeah they suck to deal with but it is a choice.

Banks since they control the entire monetary system which is set up to benefit the few at the expense of the many could certainly fit in the second definition of oppression.

Health Insurance companies once again a choice so while I could make a fairly strong case that our health care system is oppressive, HIC is just one part of that.

#250 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2018-12-12 06:17 AM | Reply

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