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Saturday, December 08, 2018

At a certain point, another million dollars doesn't make anything newly affordable. That's when other motivations take over. As the number of millionaires and billionaires in the world climbs ever higher, there are a growing number of people who possess more money than they could ever reasonably spend on even the lushest goods. But at a certain level of wealth, the next million isn't going to suddenly revolutionize their lifestyle. What drives people, once they've reached that point, to keep pursuing more?

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Simple: the goal is not a level of wealth, the goal is continual acquisition of more money.

The goal is the process, not an end point.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-08 01:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

People are competitive by nature, the rich are determined to be richer than their neighbor, their friends, their family members.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-08 04:52 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Depends on the individual as some will settle to maintain wealth they've earned [preservation of capital] at some point, whereas with others it is the personal drive as posted by LampLighter above. The wealthy, like anyone else cannot be considered/grouped in one monolithic block as the wealth envy crowd seen to believe.

#3 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-12-08 04:53 PM | Reply

It's a disease called GREED.

#4 | Posted by aborted_monson at 2018-12-08 04:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

When John Rockefeller was the richest man in the world journalist asked him how much more money he needed. His answer was "a little more".

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-08 04:58 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The question liberals really want is, "Why wont they share it all with me"?

#6 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 05:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

"The question liberals really want is..." - #6 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 05:04 PM

No it isn't, Clayton.

#7 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-08 05:05 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

People are competitive by nature, the rich are determined to be richer than their neighbor, their friends, their family members.
#2 | POSTED BY DANNI

The competition is driven by subconscious sexual signalling (better option than the next person) and hypergamy.

#8 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-08 05:05 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Pitchforks people, pitchforks ...

The Pitchforks Are Coming ... For Us Plutocrats
www.politico.com

We're the richest country in the world and we keep giving trillions of dollars of free taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires and corporations already making record profits.

As Chris Rock once said, "if poor people really knew how rich rich people were, they would be rioting in the streets".

And if I have to choose between the greedy rich douchebag slobs and poor people with pitchforks, I'll be siding with the pitchfork crowd.

#9 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-08 05:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The question liberals really want is, "Why wont they share it all with me"?

#6 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-08 05:04 PM | FLAG: PPPFFFTTTTT

What party elects frat boys who promise top make them rich? Oh right.... the party of sooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch winnnnn-ning.

You people are pathetic... I guess you are hoping some of that money will rub off on you while you are taking it up what is left of your middle class hiney.

#10 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-08 05:16 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#6 | Posted by boaz

---------- as a way of life.

Rock on, Bozo.

#11 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-08 05:17 PM | Reply

No it isn't, Clayton.

LOL. "I love Mississippi..."

#12 | Posted by REDIAL at 2018-12-08 05:31 PM | Reply

Capitalism is quite a bug.

#13 | Posted by hamburglar at 2018-12-08 05:34 PM | Reply

Bragging rights.

Over compensation.

Competition.

Greed.

The reasons are likely diverse.

#14 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-08 05:58 PM | Reply

I guess you are hoping some of that money will rub off on you

Nope, I'm not staring at rich people, I'm too busy making my own, unlike you and other liberals like Laura.

#15 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 06:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 2 | Newsworthy 1

Nope, I'm not staring at rich people, I'm too busy making my own, unlike you and other liberals like Laura.

#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-08 06:10 PM | FLAG: B.S.

Nonesense... yer living off the government and feeling smug about it. Without that little check you would be grubbing just like the rest of your loser friends and you know it.

#16 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-08 06:39 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

I'm too busy making my own, unlike you and other liberals like Laura.

#15 | Posted by boaz

with a leg up from our tax dollars.

You define hypocrisy.

#17 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-08 07:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Not having this argument again. I've actually worked for everything I have. You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.

You are the problem with our country.

#18 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 07:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

At a certain point greed stops being about the acquisition of things needed and wanted, and starts to be about the ego.
I think a lot of the super rich instead of using money constructively, it becomes a way to keep score.

#19 | Posted by shane at 2018-12-08 07:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.

You are the problem with our country.

#18 | Posted by boaz

Sorry, but the military doesn't protect and serve. That's why I mocked the second D in DoD standing for defense. It should be the DoO, Department of Offense.

My preference is we stop requiring large DoD budgets because we're A. not bombing the ---- out of everything and, therefore, not B. producing large populations of vets who deserve our care after we break them.

And my point to you is that you need to stop acting as if you're some rugged individualist who's built their life all on their own. That you were in the military does nothing to negate the fact that your training and education were paid for by tax payers. Our taxpayer funded military was your ticket to a good life. There's nothing wrong with admitting that.

#20 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-08 08:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 9

"I've actually worked for everything I have." - #18 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 07:54 PM

No you haven't, Clayton.

You are the problem with our country.

#21 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-08 08:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You define hypocrisy

No, you liberals do..

www.dailymail.co.uk

#22 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 09:26 PM | Reply | Funny: 3

"No, you liberals do.." - #22 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-08 09:26 PM

Right-wing media breeds unprincipled political hypocrites
Oops.

Try again, Clayton.

#23 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-08 09:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.

No one asked you to go kill Middle Easterners so oil tycoons could keep their oil contracts.

Your lack of empathy and karma are the reason your life sucks.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-08 10:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

No, you liberals do..

I think that whole thing is stupid.

As was the SNL writer who was run off the stage despite his gay "joke" being in line with the idiots who ran him off state's beliefs.

Try again.

#25 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-08 10:38 PM | Reply

You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.
You are the problem with our country.

#26 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-09 09:03 AM | Reply

You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.
You are the problem with our country.

#18 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-08 07:54 PM | FLAG: MORE BS

Look I get it Boazo you are retired getting your monthly from the gov...and now you got a job on top of that so you are feeling really good about things in your life.. but trust me if you didn't have that you would get why others are feeling the way they do. But as usual, you have just demonstrated again how out of touch you are with reality with your permanent gov. paycheck.... and the government paycheck is keeping you out of touch.

As far as that other part of your ignorant diatribe about people protecting the country... you were in the military when 9/11 hit.... your headquarters in Arlington was attacked!! How did that happen to a bunch of bad @$$eS like you?
Where were you then? You were flying around in circles wondering what the hell happened.... meanwhile back at the ranch in NYC it was civilians who were running around protecting and saving lives until you "protectors" got your $hi† together..... and the last plane attacking us was taken down by civilians when our country was under attack... by a bunch of high school graduates with box cutter ... so screw you dumb@$$.

Fact is the US has not engaged in a war of that instils pride of service since 1939.... so really you overrate your performance... I get that you work for the sacred cow... but the fact is you are only a cow... and right now you are spewing B.S.

#27 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-09 09:18 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I'm too busy making my own, unlike you and other liberals like Laura.
#15 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-08 06:10 PM | FLAG: GOVERNMENT PAYCHECK, GOVERNMENT PENSION, GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-09 09:29 AM | Reply

It's their drug of choice.

#29 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-09 09:43 AM | Reply

I don't begrudge Boaz for his govt paycheck,pension or healthcare. I just wish that he'd admit it was a career decision that he made and just stfu about it.

In my day if you were born on the wrong day you better get some bone spurs real quick or off too Nam you go,like it or not.

Jimmy Carter was a man with one hell of a spine. What some call weakness I call strength. I don't think a lot of people know he was a Navy officer. But I guess I'm starting to ramble.

#30 | Posted by bruceaz at 2018-12-09 09:54 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Your lack of empathy and karma are the reason your life sucks.

#24 | Posted by ClownShack

My life doesnt suck, matter of fact it's awesome BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS I HAVE MADE IN LIFE. I know you liberals dont understand that. I wasnt born with a silver spoon in my mouth. But even if I didnt join the military, I still would have suceeded in life because I dont have your world view of whining about my place in life, I'm about bettering it. I dont wait for it to happen and I dont begrudge others for their success.

GOVERNMENT PAYCHECK, GOVERNMENT PENSION, GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE

You all conveniently forget about 20+ years worth of service.

but trust me if you didn't have that you would get why others are feeling the way they do.

No, I wouldnt be worried about "others", I would be getting myself better and plotting another course. Those "who feel the way they do" are usually either envious of those who do better or those angry because they cant compete.

Stop being angry and do better, take care of yourself.

#31 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 12:57 PM | Reply

"You all conveniently forget about 20+ years worth of service."

Everyone else who leaves their job gets access to COBRA for 18 months, not lifetime healthcare.

#32 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

And Boaz, do you get to collect your pension now, while you're under 59 and a half, and yet pay no early withdrawal penalty like others?

#33 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 01:23 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

My life doesnt suck

Then why are you so constantly angry about everything?

Why are you so worried about helping people who need it?

Seems to me. If your life was better, you'd have a better outlook towards life and towards your fellow human being.

But you're clearly angry and frustrated with life, which is a reflection of yourself.

You're constantly upset at other people being given help, because when you needed help, you didn't get it. Which left you hurt and angry. And you've been carrying that anger with you your whole life. You displaced your anger onto Muslims, but killing them didn't help. So you shifted your anger onto liberals. You seems to keep yourself standing by telling yourself everything in your life sucks cause of liberals. It's a way for you to blame others for your anger and pain. Rather than looking at who you are and what's actually the cause of all you anger.

Go see a therapist Boaz. They can help you unload some mental baggage you keep carrying around with you.

#34 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-09 01:57 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Just because I'm against socialism doesnt mean I'm not happy in life.

I'm not worried about people who need help. That's what charities are for. Not my tax dollars.

I'm even closer to most liberals view about single payer. But just because I dont agree with you on every liberal point doesnt mean I'm a sad person. I just think your point of view is wrong.

do you get to collect your pension now, while you're under 59 and a half, and yet pay no early withdrawal penalty like others?

Different type pensions. I do have a 401K, which would give me a penalty if I early withdrew now. And you cant "early withdraw" a military pension.

Everyone else who leaves their job gets access to COBRA for 18 months, not lifetime healthcare.

Not everyone else is risking their lives either. And they can quit their jobs before their contract is up and not go to jail. Cant do that in the military. There's jail time and a felony for being AWOL.

#35 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 02:32 PM | Reply

You're constantly upset at other people being given help, because when you needed help, you didn't get it.

What? Are you making stuff up now? I've never said that.

Stop projecting.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 02:35 PM | Reply

Are you making stuff up now? I've never said that.

You've never stated you're not in favor of government giving assistance to the poor and needy?

Or helping refugees and people seeking asylum?

Do multiple people post using your username?

#37 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-09 02:53 PM | Reply

#37,

No, I've never said I was not in favor of those items, just not to the extreme the liberals do. You take it too far.

#38 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 03:02 PM | Reply

It's sad to see Boaz creating the fake liberal stereotype and bandying it about.

#39 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-09 03:04 PM | Reply

Shut up Bruce, you suck at trolling.

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 03:11 PM | Reply

My life doesnt suck, matter of fact it's awesome BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS I HAVE MADE IN LIFE. I know you liberals dont understand that.

Oh please, you begrudge everything bad as being "librul". Are you really shocked that people interpret your comments as bitter and miserable?

You all conveniently forget about 20+ years worth of service.

No, we don't. We just want you to stop acting as if your taking from the government is any better than those who take from the government they've paid taxes to their whole working lives in the form of SNAP assistance, disability, SS ect.

Just because I'm against socialism doesnt mean I'm not happy in life.

You've yet to show that you even understand what socialism is.

You certainly don't accept the fact that you depend almost wholly on the government to get yours while acting as if you're not partaking in a socialistic practice.

I'm not worried about people who need help. That's what charities are for. Not my tax dollars.

Nice cop out. I'm sure Christ is smiling down on your right now for being such a good, faithful Christian.

Stop projecting.

#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I don't think you know what projecting means.

#41 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-09 03:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Shut up Bruce, you suck at trolling.

#40 | POSTED BY BOAZ

He made you dance, didn't he?

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-09 03:14 PM | Reply

I've actually worked for everything I have. You are a real ------- for thinking that those who protect and serve this republic are moochers.

#18 | POSTED BY BOAZ

You might have a legitimate argument when most of those who have toiled in the private sector (you know.. those who actually pay for our publicly funded and bloated military) enjoy the same benefits you have, for their labor. Until then, I see you like as much of a welfare queen as you see practically anyone who works full time but still needs food stamps to feed their family.

And our current military is really mostly a tax subsidized security force and cash cow for the MIC and oligarchs who profit most from its existence. ..Crony capitalism at its most magnificent.

#43 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-12-09 03:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"The main reason we have the Electoral College.." - #107 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 12:20 PM

That's boazotoes' all-purpose, go-to response, regardless of the topic.

For example... Feminine hygiene spray?

"The main reason we have the Electoral College.." - Posted by boaz
What about Condom vending machines in men's rest rooms?
"The main reason we have the Electoral College.." - Posted by boaz
What about bidets?
"The main reason we have the Electoral College.." - Posted by boaz
What about Velcro tennis shoes?
"The main reason we have the Electoral College.." - Posted by boaz
Works every time!

#44 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-09 03:36 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Rich people want more money for the same reason obese people eat immense quantities of food...that people find a little piece of unblemished skin and get one more tattoo...or buy one more car for their collection...or stand in line for the next iPhone...or have one more kid...or become hoarders or compulsive shoppers. After a certain point, getting gives them more joy than having.

#45 | Posted by MUSTANG at 2018-12-09 03:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

After a certain point, getting gives them more joy than having.

Too bad no one taught them giving brings more joy than getting.

#46 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-09 03:56 PM | Reply

We become addicted to not only the gratification of wants, but to the mental state of wanting itself.

-Joseph Goldstein

#47 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-09 04:17 PM | Reply

We become addicted to not only the gratification of wants, but to the mental state of wanting itself.

An addiction is a disease. Not something to pride yourself on.

#48 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-09 04:21 PM | Reply

"Not everyone else is risking their lives either."

That's not the dividing line. Try again.

#49 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 04:39 PM | Reply

"they can quit their jobs before their contract is up and not go to jail. Cant do that in the military. There's jail time and a felony for being AWOL."

You mean you have to go to work every day, and fulfill your part of the contract? Oh no!!!

And you're not being truthful to start. Stop doing your work, and get a dishonorable discharge. No jail. No felony.

#50 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 04:42 PM | Reply

"And you cant "early withdraw" a military pension. "

You get retirement payments before 59 and a half. Unlike everybody else. And yet you don't have to pay a 10% penalty. Unlike everybody else.
www.military.com

So ultimately:
You get HUGE benefits over other taxpayers regarding your pension.
You get HUGE benefits over other taxpayers regarding your health care.
Your claim of "risking your life" is moot, since REMF get the same benefits.

#51 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 04:47 PM | Reply

==An addiction is a disease. Not something to pride yourself on.

If addiction is really a disease, there's no reason to feel either pride or shame.

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-09 04:48 PM | Reply

#51,

If you dont understand the military gives alot more than any civilian does in the course of a military career, I cant help you. I dont know if you were ever in the military. Most people who did serve never talk like you do.

I do pity you.

#53 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-09 05:42 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

Here's Danforth the Great defender of Public Unions brow beating a person with his tax knowledge, for completing his service and getting benefits ...

Dispicable ..

#54 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-09 05:59 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

If addiction is really a disease, there's no reason to feel either pride or shame.

Revel in your disease. Acknowledge it and flaunt it.

Be proud of who you are.

#55 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-09 06:10 PM | Reply

So ultimately:
You get HUGE benefits over other taxpayers regarding your pension.
You get HUGE benefits over other taxpayers regarding your health care.
Your claim of "risking your life" is moot, since REMF get the same benefits.

#51 | POSTED BY DANFORTH AT 2018-12-09 04:47 PM | FLAG: Since you are one of such vast intelligence, why did you not take 'advantage' of such an 'easy' way to procure HUGE benefits???

#56 | Posted by MSgt at 2018-12-09 06:19 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

-- Your claim of "risking your life" is moot, since REMF get the same benefits.

Pretty easy to trash veterans when one's only risk is that of receiving paper cuts in the line of duty.

#57 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-09 06:33 PM | Reply

What service?

#58 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-09 06:33 PM | Reply

#57

The logic "liberal" Nulli used to support the war against Vietnam.

#59 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-09 06:38 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

There's jail time and a felony for being AWOL.

#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-09 02:32 PM | FLAG:

Boazo... (heavy sigh)... we all know you are a liar... or you are a black man with a big white pipi... according to you... btw...

Sooooooooo... who knows how many lies you tell to make your point... doesn't matter... don't care... but you do put it out there the kind of mindset that is ripping off this country.

The truth about the military is this nation spends more on its military than any other nation on the planet... and more than all the super powers combined... and for the last 60 years we have lost war after, after war, after war, after war... and we lose them to rag tags make shift armies using improvised weapons and babies where ever we go.

Why are we paying you if you can't win a war?

Hand full of Arabs with box cutters attacked our country... and you were dazed and confused for the first hour... and civilians took down the last plane...
Why are we paying you if you can't protect the country against box cutters?
...any other set of businesses that spent that much money to produce that many failures would be seen as something that outlived its usefulness.

So if AWOL is a felony... I'm seriously unimpressed... and don't give a rats tuti .

Okay people let the ghost stories commence...

#60 | Posted by RightisTrite at 2018-12-09 07:21 PM | Reply

"Pretty easy to trash veterans when one's only risk is that of receiving paper cuts in the line of duty."

I wasn't "trashing veterans", you idiot.

I was pointing out the fact he put his life on the line, and THAT's why he should get better government benefits than others isn't the dividing line, so using that as a reason is false.

#61 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 07:44 PM | Reply

you suck at trolling.

#40 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-09 03:11 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Grown men don't troll.

I leave that to you manchildren.

I find however, that the joke is always the person trolling.

#62 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-09 08:08 PM | Reply

"Since you are one of such vast intelligence, why did you not take 'advantage' of such an 'easy' way to procure HUGE benefits???"

I didn't want to kill strangers.

And I never said it was "easy"; I said it was unequal. I stated a fact.

But thanks for admitting the benefits outweigh virtually all other workers and fields.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 08:52 PM | Reply

"brow beating a person with his tax knowledge, for completing his service and getting benefits ..."

I was doing nothing of the sort, snowflake.

#64 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-09 08:55 PM | Reply

"And if I have to choose between the greedy rich douchebag slobs and poor people with pitchforks, I'll be siding with the pitchfork crowd."

Is that because you want to pay more in taxes, or because you want the US to look more like Venezuela?

#65 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 06:51 AM | Reply

Is that because you want to pay more in taxes, or because you want the US to look more like Venezuela?

#65 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Because 'We The People' means all Americans.

And, patriotic Americans have no problem with paying more in taxes so long as the money is used to fix America's problems ...

Civil engineers say fixing infrastructure will take $4.6 trillion
money.cnn.com

94 Percent of U.S. Teachers Spend Their Own Money on School Supplies, Survey Finds
www.nytimes.com

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind
berniesanders.com

And if my taxes need to go up to pay for these things that need to be done in American, then millionaires and billionaires and their record profit making corporations are also going to pay more in taxes -- we're the richest country in the world, we have more than enough money to fix these problems.

#66 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 07:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

There's jail time and a felony for being AWOL.
#35 | POSTED BY BOAZ AT 2018-12-09 02:32 PM | FLAG:

Ahhh yes, I remember all that jail time W got when he was AWOL from TANG.

#67 | Posted by 726 at 2018-12-10 07:40 AM | Reply

the risks outweigh virtually all other workers and fields... that's hard to grasp?

#68 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-12-10 08:10 AM | Reply

the risks outweigh virtually all other workers and fields... that's hard to grasp?

#69 | Posted by kwrx25 at 2018-12-10 08:10 AM | Reply

They need the money to fill the hole their lack of morality leaves.

#70 | Posted by bat4255 at 2018-12-10 09:58 AM | Reply

The question liberals really want is, "Why wont they share it all with me"?

#6 | POSTED BY BOAZ

I've always believed that our tax dollars were supposed to be used to promote the general welfare (not just for the rich) even for, and especially for, those who cannot stand for themselves) or maybe that's just what civilized members of society do.

That is also why I do not believe that you served in the military because your viewpoints are just self-serving rather than "being of service".

#71 | Posted by Sezu at 2018-12-10 02:10 PM | Reply

Because I can even though I don't spend most of it.

It's the same addiction as video games. There's no point beyond a certain level but there is still an addiction. Some people will cheat to level up and be ranked in a game. Others will just grind it out and play fair.

I like seeing how much I can make and measure it against others. I'm just unwilling to break the law or rules to do it. I know others don't feel the same.

#72 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-12-10 02:48 PM | Reply

In Monopoly there is no amount of money that is enough to win. The only way to win is by bankrupting everyone else. As long as some workers are making more than minimum wage their job is not done

#73 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-12-10 03:53 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

This is like asking why do top ranked college teams run up the score against garbage tier opponents.

And the answer is the same too.

Wealth doesn't care if it was created or redistributed. It all hoards the same.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 03:59 PM | Reply

"And, patriotic Americans have no problem with paying more in taxes so long as the money is used to fix America's problems ..."

The situation in France would seem to prove otherwise, and I would say that France-writ large-has a population far more willing to pay taxes than the US does.

But the reason I ask the question is because, whether you like it or not, you can't deny that the rich bear the largest tax burden in this country. In order for them to cover those costs, so people like you and I don't have to, they need to be incentivized to keep doing what they are doing. Think about doctors. Joe pointed out recently that doctors in the US make far more than in most other countries....the point (seemingly) being that they could be paid less as a means of reducing healthcare costs. So what will be the impact on telling doctors that they're going to get a pay cut, while at the same time should be expected to cover higher patient loads. Don't you think it's quite possible that these doctors might just go find some other way to make a living?

It's also worth noting that those who get rich tend to do so by providing a valuable service. Reducing remuneration for these people might not just result in them paying less in taxes, but driving them to abandon whatever activities have resulted in them becoming rich. And those activities are likely even more valuable to society than the taxes they provide.

Maybe they'd all line up behind the socialist dream. But there's also a strong possibility they wouldn't. They didn't in Russia under the Soviet model. They didn't in Chile under Allende. They didn't in Venezuela. I'm not sure why you think they would here.

#75 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 07:34 PM | Reply

you can't deny that the rich bear the largest tax burden in this country. In order for them to cover those costs, so people like you and I don't have to, they need to be incentivized to keep doing what they are doing.

Eisenhower had tax rates as high as 90%, and America's rich were still rich as hell.

Congress can incentivize the rich by taxing and penalizing those who move their businesses overseas while giving tax breaks and other business friendly incentives to those keeping their manufacturing stateside ...

But Congress doesn't have the balls to do the right thing.

#76 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 08:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Eisenhower had tax rates as high as 90%, and America's rich were still rich as hell."

That tax rate would have, in 2018, only applied to households earning more than $4m a year. That was the highest bracket...and one that applied to very few households. If you want to meaningfully tax the ---- out of people today, you've got to capture the group making in the $250k range. The number of households in that demographic has gone up dramatically.

"Congress can incentivize the rich by taxing and penalizing those who move their businesses overseas while giving tax breaks and other business friendly incentives to those keeping their manufacturing stateside."

That only works if staying in the US provides more benefit, which would mean violating your own principle of taxing the rich. Furthermore, you're referring to companies...not individuals.

#77 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:28 PM | Reply

"But Congress doesn't have the balls to do the right thing."

Congress relies on donations from the wealthy to get elected.

Right-wingers think that's what the Founders intended when they wrote the First Amendment.

#78 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 08:36 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

@ Madbomber

America is in it's SECOND Gilded Age.

The tax code, corporate business policies, taxes on the rich ...

All these things are easily done.

I know this for a fact because America did if before in addressing the original Gilded Age.

#79 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 08:42 PM | Reply

"Congress relies on donations from the wealthy to get elected."

Congress is the wealthy.

There is another thread up right now regarding why rich people want more money. They don't. Only the new rich want more money...because it's the only metric most know to gauge success. Those who were born rich get into politics. Because power is the money for those that don't care about money. And you're not going to care about money unless you needed to at some point. If you grew up in the Kennedy compound...you didn't care about money.

#80 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:43 PM | Reply

#79

Maybe...I can't say. What I can say is that Lenin shared your thoughts. So did Allende. And Chavez. And it led to abject ruin. It was less ruinous in different places elsewhere, but your challenge is still convincing those who fund society to do it for less reward and more work.

#81 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 08:46 PM | Reply

"but your challenge is still convincing those who fund society"

Typical Randroid claptrap. Labor does all the work yet someone it is the plutocrats who are the producers on whose efforts society depends.

#82 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:48 PM | Reply

"So did Allende."

Before the illegal, American backed coup that unseated him.

#83 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 08:49 PM | Reply

What I can say is that Lenin shared your thoughts. So did Allende. And Chavez. And it led to abject ruin. It was less ruinous in different places elsewhere, but your challenge is still convincing those who fund society to do it for less reward and more work.

#81 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Lenin shared my thoughts? My ass ...

Presidents Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt shared my thoughts on America's Gilded Age ... one is on Mount Rushmore and the other is one the the three greatest presidents.

Your challenge is to admit that we're the richest country in the world and we keep giving trillions of dollars of free taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires and corporations already making record profits -- Teddy Roosevelt was a Trust Buster, do you even know what that means?

#84 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 09:04 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Labor does all the work yet someone it is the plutocrats who are the producers on whose efforts society depends."

Labor?

Like the people who mow my lawn? Clean the bathrooms? That sort of ----?

Then ------....Kill the "plutocrats."

You guys will be superfine.

#85 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:17 PM | Reply

Maybe...I can't say.

#81 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Here you go ...

The United States is undergoing a second Gilded Age
www.businessinsider.com

QFT

#86 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 09:18 PM | Reply

Careful everyone! If we provoke Bomber much more he might tell Atlas to shrug us all off into the yawning socioeconomic abyss!!! Oh the horror!

#87 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:19 PM | Reply

"Before the illegal, American backed coup that unseated him."

Yeah.

Screw all those stupid, illiterate Chileans who were rioting as a result of his policies.

You're definitely the typical, self-important American durk.

#88 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:19 PM | Reply

"Congress is the wealthy."

Doesn't change what I said. Doesn't even address it.

"There is another thread up right now regarding why rich people want more money. They don't. "
Followed immediately by:
"Only the new rich want more money."

Well, which is it?

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-10 09:21 PM | Reply

"Your challenge is to admit that we're the richest country in the world and we keep giving trillions of dollars of free taxpayer money to millionaires and billionaires and corporations already making record profits..."

Uh...where do you think this taxpayer money is coming from? Being objectively honest, you;d be forced to say that the US is allowing millionaires and billionaires to keep the money they freely earned.

#90 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:21 PM | Reply

Then ------....Kill the "plutocrats."

#85 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

This plutocrat agrees ...

The Pitchforks Are Coming ... For Us Plutocrats
www.politico.com

QFT

#91 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 09:23 PM | Reply

Screw all those stupid, illiterate Chileans who were rioting as a result of his policies.
#88 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER AT 2018-12-10 09:19 PM | FLAG:

They were rioting because the US drove a wrecking ball through their economy. The documents have been declassified for decades, straight from the CIA. The whole situation was manufacturered to produce the coup that was backed by the US and put a horrific tyranny in place. You are the last person in earth to believe it happened organically.

#92 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 09:23 PM | Reply

"They were rioting because the US drove a wrecking ball through their economy. The documents have been declassified for decades, straight from the CIA. The whole situation was manufacturered to produce the coup that was backed by the US and put a horrific tyranny in place. You are the last person in earth to believe it happened organically."

I feel like this was something you got really mad about with your hippie friends back then.

In reality, the US supported truckers, who were striking against a regime that wanted to nationalize the trucking industry. And they supported the opposition media. Not that it was necessary, given that virtually everyone in Chile had abandoned support for Allende by 1973...including his former allies.

But you don't know any of this...probably because, like climate change, it's going to inject questions into the narrative. And the last thing you want is someone having the complete picture before they make a decision.

#93 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:28 PM | Reply

where do you think this taxpayer money is coming from? Being objectively honest, you;d be forced to say that the US is allowing millionaires and billionaires to keep the money they freely earned.

#90 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Taxpayer money comes mostly from payroll taxes from American working and middle-class wages...

The rich, when they do pay taxes and aren't looting the U.S. Treasury, don't live on wages and instead are taxed on money they won't even miss.

#94 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-10 09:33 PM | Reply

"The rich, when they do pay taxes and aren't looting the U.S. Treasury, don't live on wages and instead are taxed on money they won't even miss."

Then this whole thing is a non-issue.

No one is going to clamor about something they don't care about.

#95 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-10 09:46 PM | Reply

The United States is undergoing a second Gilded Age
www.businessinsider.com

QFT

#86 | POSTED BY PINCHALOAF

Yep. This time it's a bunch of left-leaning tech giants who wield more power than the likes of Rockefeller ever could have imagined.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 10:12 PM | Reply

This time it's a bunch of left-leaning tech giants who wield more power than the likes of Rockefeller ever could have imagined.

#96 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-12-10 10:12 PM | FLAG:

Wow.
Jeff sure is scared of tech giants now that they are deplatforming his Nazi buddies.

#97 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 10:24 PM | Reply

"Not that it was necessary, given that virtually everyone in Chile had abandoned support for Allende by 1973...including his former allies."

Because the US created an economic crisis, yeah. This is all well documented. The US government has ADMITTED TO IT.
They have declassified the documents.

#98 | Posted by DirkStruan at 2018-12-10 10:26 PM | Reply

Jeff sure is scared of tech giants now that they are deplatforming his Nazi buddies.

#97 | POSTED BY DIRKSTRUAN

Nice straw man.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-10 10:36 PM | Reply

"the risks outweigh virtually all other workers and fields... that's hard to grasp?"

Not according to math.
www.usatoday.com

#100 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-10 11:43 PM | Reply

"Because the US created an economic crisis, yeah. This is all well documented. The US government has ADMITTED TO IT.
They have declassified the documents."

The US made Allende appropriate private property and nationalize industry? The US reduced exports by 80%? The US made Chile a net importer of food, when they had been a net exporter? The US made Allende create a paramilitary organization that answered to him and him alone? And I'd like to know how the US made Allende violate the Chilean constitution...over, and over, and over again.

By the time Allende was thrown out of office, you had both the Supreme Court and the Chamber of Deputies calling for the military to restore constitutional law. Your argument trivializes all of this, probably intentionally, making it sound like the will of the CIA or the American people trumped what the people of Chile wanted...which was someone other than Allende.

#101 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 04:47 AM | Reply

Then this whole thing is a non-issue.

No one is going to clamor about something they don't care about.

#95 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Right, so why are you arguing against raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires and corporations?

Geeze ~

#102 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-11 05:47 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Right, so why are you arguing against raising taxes on millionaires and billionaires and corporations?"

Because they will care...that's the whole point. Or at least they seem likely to care, and likely to do what it takes to protect their interests.

#103 | Posted by madbomber at 2018-12-11 06:38 AM | Reply

Because they will care...that's the whole point. Or at least they seem likely to care, and likely to do what it takes to protect their interests.

#103 | POSTED BY MADBOMBER

Yes, millionaires and billionaires care, that's why THEY BUY the political process in order to get their way.

Lindsey Graham even admitted, out loud, that if they (Republicans) didn't pass tax cuts for their rich donors, they (the rich GOP donors) would stop funding Republican candidates.

Whose side are you on?

#104 | Posted by PinchALoaf at 2018-12-11 07:14 AM | Reply

"Whose side are you on?"

He's been posting here for 12 years and you're still asking this question?

#105 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-12-11 09:09 AM | Reply

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