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Wednesday, December 05, 2018

Republican lawmakers early Wednesday pushed through a sweeping set of bills that will limit the power of Wisconsin's incoming governor, a Democrat. The legislation, which Democrats vehemently opposed and protesters chanted their anger over, passed through the Republican-held State Legislature after hours of closed-door meetings and some amendments. The votes fell largely along party lines; no Democrats supported the measures.

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"That's what this is about: power-hungry politicians using their grubby hands in their last-ditch effort to desperately cling to power," said State Representative Katrina Shankland, a Democrat, before the vote Wednesday morning. "All we've seen demonstrated today and over the past few days is a contempt for the public."

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Something must be done about the Republican Party, refuge or ordinary scoundrels and frank sociopaths..

#1 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-05 10:29 AM | Reply

I heard a quote from a Wis GOPer explaining that they were doing this out of fear that the incoming Democratic governor would enact 'liberal policies'

lol

#2 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-05 10:59 AM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#2 ... a Wis GOPer explaining that they were doing this out of fear that the incoming Democratic governor would enact 'liberal policies' ...

So that is a good enough reason to go against the will of the voters?

To me, it just looks like the Republicans are continuing their efforts to reduce the effect of voters (including, but not limited to, voter suppression) upon their march towards a white-male dominated authoritarian government.

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-05 11:10 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

If Repubs dont win an election, they seem to have decided to diminish the elected candidate's job description and responsibilities, and then distribute the powers which they have stripped, to Republicans in different offices and branches of Government.

Talk about sore losers.

This is despicable, and demonstrates contempt for the will of the voters.

#4 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour at 2018-12-05 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

The GOP are whiney spiteful children. That's what this is.

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-05 04:42 PM | Reply

#5 | Posted by LauraMohr

I don't see any of them refuting it either...

#6 | Posted by GalaxiePete at 2018-12-05 08:56 PM | Reply

I don't see any of them refuting it either...

#6 | POSTED BY GALAXIEPETE AT 2018-12-05 08:56 PM | FLAG:

It's the truth. That's why.

#7 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-05 09:18 PM | Reply

This should be prevented. The people have spoken.

#8 | Posted by fresno500 at 2018-12-05 10:04 PM | Reply

"He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored."

He just didn't do a very good job of it.

Of course it's also been a century and a half.

Might be boots on the ground time again.

#9 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 10:10 PM | Reply

The easy way to avoid these lame duck sessions subverting the will of the voters is to shorten the time between elections and the start date of the new legislature.

#10 | Posted by schmanch at 2018-12-06 07:44 AM | Reply

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"The easy way to avoid these lame duck sessions subverting the will of the voters is to shorten the time between elections and the start date of the new legislature.
#10 | POSTED BY SCHMANCH AT 2018-12-06 07:44 AM"

That's one possible solution. However, a "losing administration" can have a Plan B (poison pill) already prep'd long before the election results. I suspect that might even be the case in this instance.

Also, the shortened interval will present another problem in verifying extremely close election results.

#11 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-12-06 08:02 AM | Reply

The GOP are whiney spiteful children. That's what this is.
#5 | Posted by LauraMohr

If that's all it was it wouldn't be so bad. They would have passed a law declaring Ds ugly or something. This shows that they're power hungry sociopaths. And that's a lot more dangerous.

#12 | Posted by SomebodyElse at 2018-12-06 08:34 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

If there are any Democratically controlled legislatures today where there are sitting or incoming Republican Governors steps should be taken immediately to enact legislation similar to reduce the power of those Republican Governors. --- for tat. Democrats need to wake up and realize it isn't politics any more, it's full out war. Time to "man-up" and start fighting fire with fire.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-06 09:07 AM | Reply

Any righties want to try to defend this?

anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?...

Didn't think so

#14 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-12-06 10:03 AM | Reply

This is now a pattern that happens in every state that flips from red to blue.

On the way out the door, they strip power and rig elections.

It's one of those koch brothers strategies that they distribute to all their puppets.

#15 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 11:13 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Yeah, it's amazing how "too much power" is subjective to whether or not the person with that opinion holds power or not. But, this is no different than Dems doing everything they can to strip Trump of POTUS power. Both sides do it to try to gain an advantage. Neither side or their constituents will ever own up to it.

#16 | Posted by humtake at 2018-12-06 11:18 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

The truly sickening aspect of this is that Republicans only have the state legislature in Wisconsin because of gerrymandering. Dems got 54% of the statewide assembly vote in November and only captured 36% of the seats. Yet Republicans are defending this power grab by saying the voters chose to have a Republican legislature and that the voters wanted them to do this. That is objectively false.

#17 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Co-workers vote to reduce Scott Walker's power at his new job at Arby's.

#18 | Posted by lee_the_agent at 2018-12-06 11:26 AM | Reply

Yeah, it's amazing how "too much power" is subjective to whether or not the person with that opinion holds power or not. But, this is no different than Dems doing everything they can to strip Trump of POTUS power. Both sides do it to try to gain an advantage. Neither side or their constituents will ever own up to it.

#16 | POSTED BY HUMTAKE AT 2018-12-06 11:18 AM | REPLY |

Tell us Humtake what did Dems in the Republican controlled Congress do that took power away from Trump?

The Dems DO NOT and have not done this kind of crap. It is uniquely republican

#19 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-12-06 11:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

After all of the ridiculous efforts made by Democrats to have Scott Walker removed from office this is just desserts.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 11:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#20 Holding a fair election to remove someone (what Dems did) and subverting the will of the voters (what Republicans are doing) are actually the opposite of one another.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 11:48 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Let us also not forget all of the pre-dawn raids SWAT of citizens in Wisconsin who had the temerity to support Scott Walker. This measure is tame compared with the malfeasance of Democrats in Wisconsin over the past several years.

#22 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 11:49 AM | Reply

and subverting the will of the voters

The elected officials, who are a product of the will of the voters, are the ones who passed these measures in accordance with Wisconsin civic structure.

#23 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 11:50 AM | Reply | Funny: 3

Read #17. Republicans lost the statewide assembly vote by 8% and are only maintaining a majority because of extreme gerrymandering. It is disingenuous (or just ignorant) to claim that the majority of Wisconsin voters want a Republican legislature.

#24 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:01 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Wisconsinites elected a Democratic governor and a Democratic AG. Republicans are using a lame-duck session to take away power from those offices and vest it in a gerrymandered legislature. If you deny that is subverting the will of the voters, you are a partisan hack who doesn't deserve the time of day.

#25 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

In context of this discussion calling a supporter of the legislature's actions a partisan hack is being so polite that it undermines describing the severity of the issue. There needs to be a better term for it.

#26 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2018-12-06 12:32 PM | Reply

Gerrymandering is as old as politics itself. If you think Republicans have a monopoly on it you are a partisan hack who doesn't deserve the time of day.

#27 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 12:36 PM | Reply

When did i say Republicans have a monopoly on gerrymandering, you lying hack? In Wisconsin, they currently do.

#28 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:37 PM | Reply

When did i say Republicans have a monopoly on gerrymandering, you lying hack?

#28 | POSTED BY JOE

Learn how to read, Little Joe. I'll put the critical word in bold so it's easier for you to read:

If you think Republicans have a monopoly on it you are a partisan hack who doesn't deserve the time of day.

#27 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

#29 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 12:43 PM | Reply

"If" is the critical word.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 12:44 PM | Reply

"If you think"

Who are you talking to? Who do you suspect thinks that?

#31 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:44 PM | Reply

#20 Holding a fair election to remove someone (what Dems did) and subverting the will of the voters (what Republicans are doing) are actually the opposite of one another.

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 11:48 AM | Reply | N

It's Jeff dear. He is a worthless partisan hack and a disgrace. He's a shell of his former "fake" self.

#32 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-06 12:45 PM | Reply

These measures can be repealed and they apply broadly - if they aren't repealed they apply to future governors and AG's even if they are Republican.

#33 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 12:45 PM | Reply

Who are you talking to? Who do you suspect thinks that?

#31 | POSTED BY JOE

You were the one who brought up gerrymandering.

#34 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 12:45 PM | Reply

if they aren't repealed they apply to future governors and AG's even if they are Republican.

#33 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Is there a time limit on repealing them? Or can they just use them while a Dem is in and then conveniently repeal once a Rep retakes the authority?

#35 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-06 12:53 PM | Reply

#34 So do you have a response to #24-25 beyond this demonstrably inapplicable hypothetical allegation you're making?

#36 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:56 PM | Reply

I'm starting to understand the appeal of pitchforks and torches. I'm not recommending that, mind you.

#37 | Posted by YAV at 2018-12-06 12:57 PM | Reply

these measures can be repealed

That's not a good reason to pass anything.

#38 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 12:57 PM | Reply

That's not a good reason to pass anything.

#38 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-12-06 12:57 PM | FLAG:

Jeff will never hold his side accountable for anything. Whatever they want is good enough for him. Sad to say but it's the truth.

#39 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-06 01:00 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"These measures can be repealed and they apply broadly "

so much for "Will of The People"

#40 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-12-06 01:02 PM | Reply

Is there a time limit on repealing them? Or can they just use them while a Dem is in and then conveniently repeal once a Rep retakes the authority?

#35 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

They'd likely have to control both chambers plus the governor's mansion to repeal.

Also, although he's signaled support, Scott Walker hasn't signed this into law.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:02 PM | Reply

Read #17. Republicans lost the statewide assembly vote by 8% and are only maintaining a majority because of extreme gerrymandering. It is disingenuous (or just ignorant) to claim that the majority of Wisconsin voters want a Republican legislature.

#24 | POSTED BY JOE

They won in accordance to a set of rules that both sides play by. The argument you are making is no different than people who whine about the Electoral College.

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:04 PM | Reply

Wisconsinites elected a Democratic governor and a Democratic AG. Republicans are using a lame-duck session to take away power from those offices and vest it in a gerrymandered legislature....

#25 | POSTED BY JOE

Unless repealed, this power shift applies to all future governors and AG's, including Republicans.

#43 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:06 PM | Reply

These guys are lower than badger balls:

"There would be a new limit on early voting, which tends to benefit Democratic candidates, after an election that saw record-breaking turnout. Lawmakers, not the governor, would control the majority of appointments on an economic development board. The legislation would also prevent Mr. Evers from banning guns in the Wisconsin Capitol without permission from legislators."

Prevent the new Gov from banning guns in the Wis. Capitol?
WTF??

#44 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-06 01:08 PM | Reply

They won in accordance to a set of rules that both sides play by.

You moved the goalposts. Upthread you claimed that the current slate of elected officials are a "byproduct of the will of the voters." That is demonstrably untrue, so now you just say that gerrymandering is within the rules. Those are two very different statements.

#45 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:09 PM | Reply

Upthread you claimed that the current slate of elected officials are a "byproduct of the will of the voters." That is demonstrably untrue

They won their elections making them a "byproduct of the will of the voters." Their wins were every bit as legitimate as the Democrats' recent wins.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:11 PM | Reply

Both sides do it to try to gain an advantage.

#16 | Posted by humtake

Then I'm sure you'll have no problem finding examples of dems doing this as well.

You can't defend repubs so all you can do is whine "dems do it too!" even when they don't.

#47 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Unless repealed, this power shift applies to all future governors and AG's

So what? Wisconsinites knew what power their governor and AG had, and they chose Tony Evers and Josh Kaul to have those powers. Now the gerrymandered legislature and lame duck governor are taking those powers away. Nobody cares if it applies to "all future governors" - that doesn't make this act any less despicable.

#48 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

They won their elections making them a "byproduct of the will of the voters." Their wins were every bit as legitimate as the Democrats' recent wins.

#46 | Posted by JeffJ

Elections won by suppressing the opposing vote are NOT as legitimate as elections won while your vote is being suppressed.

#49 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 01:12 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Their wins were every bit as legitimate as the Democrats' recent wins."

this is some really twisted logic on display

#50 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-12-06 01:13 PM | Reply

Expect many more of these 'Sore Loser' moments in the years to come, as Republicans cling to power without a mandate.

#51 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-06 01:18 PM | Reply

They won their elections making them a "byproduct of the will of the voters."

You're running in circles. When Dems get 54% of the statewide vote and only 36% of assembly seats, the Republican supermajority is not a "byproduct of the will of the voters" it is a byproduct of expensive Republican attorneys, mapmakers and computer experts.

#52 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:21 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 5

this is some really twisted logic on display
#50 | POSTED BY CHIEFTUTMOSES

It seems to me that Jeff will twist nearly anything to be okay with what the GOP is doing. I am sure if it were the Dems doing it instead he would have a problem.

#53 | Posted by justagirl_idaho at 2018-12-06 01:22 PM | Reply

I am sure if it were the Dems doing it instead he would have a problem.

#53 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

You'd be wrong.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:23 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

You're running in circles. When Dems get 54% of the statewide vote and only 36% of assembly seats, the Republican supermajority is not a "byproduct of the will of the voters" it is a byproduct of expensive Republican attorneys, mapmakers and computer experts.

#52 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-12-06 01:21 PM

Which is akin to complaining about the EC. If the Democrats have a majority when the next round of redistricting comes up they will gerrymander every bit as much as Republicans have. Also, inner-city districts (like Detroit, for example) vote almost unanimously Democrat. Should votes in Milwaukee be moved and counted in Janesville?

#55 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:27 PM | Reply

Whatever Jeff. Nobody said gerrymandering is against the rules. I said it means fhe legislature is not a byproduct of the will of the voters. And before you say "but the legislators who rigged were elected," none of them ran on a platform of rigging the map, and an overwhelmig majority of Wisconsinites and Americans are adamantly opposed to partisan gerrymandering.

#56 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:29 PM | Reply

It seems to me that Jeff will twist nearly anything to be okay with what the GOP is doing. I am sure if it were the Dems doing it instead he would have a problem.

#53 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO

There is a reason why I brought up the fact that these measures, if signed into law, apply to ALL future governors and AG's. Unless these congressman are truly looking long-term and honestly believe that the Executive has too much power and some of that needs to be shifted back to the legislative branch (which is something that certainly applies at the federal level - can't speak for Wisconsin). Far more likely is this is a short-sighted partisan power-grab and it's one that Wisconsin Republicans will rue in the near future. It reminds me of when Democrats nuked the filibuster. A lot of people on this board cheered it and I warned them that it's a move that would come back to bite them in the rear. Had they not done that Scott Pruitt and Betsy Devos wouldn't have gotten the positions they have (had in Pruitt's case).

#57 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:37 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

none of them ran on a platform of rigging the map...

#56 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-12-06 01:29 PM

No one is going to run on that. Doesn't mean they aren't going to exercise that power when the opportunity presents itself.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:39 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

By your logic, Joe, when the next round of redistricting comes and Dems are able to gerrymander, any future elections they win under the new map won't reflect the will of the voters.

#59 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:41 PM | Reply

"I warned them that it's a move that would come back to bite them in the rear. Had they not done that Scott Pruitt and Betsy Devos wouldn't have gotten the positions they have"

Nonsense. McConnell would nuke his mother to get what he wanted. The Dems just beat him to it.

#60 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-06 01:41 PM | Reply

By your logic, Joe, when the next round of redistricting comes and Dems are able to gerrymander, any future elections they win under the new map won't reflect the will of the voters.

Why would it? Egregious differences between vote totals and actual political representation are the antithesis of the will of the voters.

#61 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:43 PM | Reply

Nonsense. McConnell would nuke his mother to get what he wanted. The Dems just beat him to it.

#60 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

He talked about it during Bush's tenure. But didn't pull the trigger.

#62 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:44 PM | Reply

"But didn't pull the trigger."

He did when it really mattered: the SC.

#63 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-06 01:49 PM | Reply

Egregious differences between vote totals and actual political representation are the antithesis of the will of the voters.

#61 | POSTED BY JOE

That's faulty logic. Even in the absence of gerrymandering, a district that covers a city like Detroit votes 98% Democratic but has the same number of reps as a district that is 60/40 in favor of Republicans.

#64 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 01:49 PM | Reply

"They won in accordance to a set of rules that both sides play by.
#42 | POSTED BY JEFFJ"

Both sides didn't Gerrymander Wisonsin, liar.

#65 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 01:53 PM | Reply

You'd be wrong.

#54 | Posted by JeffJ

Yeah we all remember how you were just as willing to give hillary the benefit of the doubt as you are for trump.

#66 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 01:54 PM | Reply

#64 I can tell you don't really understand gerrymandering. This conversation is pointless.

#67 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 01:54 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

I understand gerrymandering perfectly fine. Even in the absence of gerrymandering the percentage of total vote count wouldn't necessarily perfectly mirror the percentage of representatives.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 02:03 PM | Reply

"There is a reason why I brought up the fact that these measures, if signed into law, apply to ALL future governors and AG's."

Yeah, there is JeffJ.

Conveniently, you quoted that reason at the top of your response:

"It seems to me that Jeff will twist nearly anything to be okay with what the GOP is doing.
#53 | POSTED BY JUSTAGIRL_IDAHO"

#69 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:04 PM | Reply

Both sides didn't Gerrymander Wisonsin, liar.

#65 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

If Democrats have power the next time Wisconsin comes up for redistricting they will gerrymander, just as they have in the past when they had power, liar.

#70 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 02:04 PM | Reply

"Even in the absence of gerrymandering the percentage of total vote count wouldn't necessarily perfectly mirror"

Oh I see.

So if it can't be perfect, you support it being as un-represenrative and imperfect as the party in power can make it.

#71 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:06 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Snoofy and Speaks,

Bugger off.

At least Joe argues the topic at hand instead of trying to make it about me personally.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 02:06 PM | Reply

you support it being as un-represenrative and imperfect as the party in power can make it.
#71 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

Actually, I don't support it. Michigan had a ballot measure in November that ends gerrymandering. I voted for it.

In the absence of that I expect that the party in power will gerrymander when given the opportunity.

#73 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 02:08 PM | Reply

"If Democrats have power the next time"

We're not talking about next time.
We're talking about this time.
The Republicans wrote the rules this time.
Rules about district boundaries.

Both sides are playing by rules that Republicans created.

#74 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:08 PM | Reply

Actually, I don't support it.

You have spent the whole thread defending it.

#75 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:09 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

"At least Joe argues the topic at hand instead of trying to make it about me personally."

Then maybe you should be like Joe, and argue the topic at hand, instead of arguing what Democrats might do in the future.

#76 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:12 PM | Reply

"It seems to me that Jeff will twist nearly anything to be okay with what the GOP is doing."

Hey JeffJ.

Are you okay with what the GOP is doing?

Try answering with a "Yes" or "No."

Good luck!

#77 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 02:14 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

At least Joe argues the topic at hand instead of trying to make it about me personally.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ

It's about your credibility.

You cosplay as a nonpartisan fence sitter but all your posts and positions are those of a diehard trump supporter.

#78 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 02:26 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

If GOPhers had any class, morality or sense of loyalty to American democracy, they would denounce what has happened in Wisconsin. Instead, being piece of sh**, they love it.

#79 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-06 02:35 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

Even in the absence of gerrymandering the percentage of total vote count wouldn't necessarily perfectly mirror the percentage of representatives.

Of course it wouldn't. But 54% of te statewide vote would translate to more than 36% of seats, and this has altreafy been scientifically proven beyond all doubt. Read the filings in Gill v. Whitford if you don't believe me.

So, once again, a gerrymandered legislature is not the product of the will of the voters. Virtually nobody wants gerrymandering, and the result is not a reflection of what the voters want.

#80 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 02:36 PM | Reply

Stupid phone. Oh well, you get the idea.

#81 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 02:36 PM | Reply

The GOP is like the cable company - outdated, nobody likes them, but there they are, holding the keys.

#82 | Posted by schifferbrains at 2018-12-06 02:45 PM | Reply

If GOPhers had any class, morality or sense of loyalty to American democracy, they would denounce what has happened in Wisconsin. Instead, being piece of sh**, they love it.

Serious question: as a Californian, did you feel the same way before 2011 when the non-partisan redistricting commission redrew the California maps?

#83 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-06 02:49 PM | Reply

Serious answer: I thought the non-partisan redistricting commission made California more democratic and reflective of the will of the vast majority of electoral districts. Which is the opposite of what the departing GOPhers are attempting to do in Wisconsin.

#84 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-06 02:51 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

Michigan lawmakers are attempting something similar. This is wrong. In both Michigan and Wisconsin it's pretty obvious, based on the timing, that this is being done for short-term partisan purposes.

#85 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 02:58 PM | Reply

Did...did someone just change their position?

On the drudge retort?

#86 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 03:11 PM | Reply

Did...did someone just change their position?

On the drudge retort?

#86 | Posted by JOE

What does it matter? He'll still unflinchingly support the people who are trying to thwart democracy.

#87 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-06 03:33 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the quibble about?

Large populations generally reside in urban areas.

In order to disenfranchise them. Republicans have stripped them of their voice and redistributed voter power to rural areas where their base reside.

Much the same way the Electoral College works.

#88 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-06 03:37 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Michigan lawmakers are attempting something similar. This is wrong."

Its just... not so wrong you won't vote for them again in 2020.

#89 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

you people just don't get it

jeffyj doesn't like trump or the GOP he votes for, and is not responsible for the "conservative" policies he has advocated for and cheered on as a success, right here on the DR.

is it really that hard to understand?

#90 | Posted by ChiefTutMoses at 2018-12-06 04:12 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Michigan lawmakers are attempting something similar. This is wrong. In both Michigan and Wisconsin it's pretty obvious, based on the timing, that this is being done for short-term partisan purposes.

#85 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Strange that this doesn't happen in states Democrats control...

#91 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-12-06 04:47 PM | Reply

Strange that this doesn't happen in states Democrats control...

#91 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT

Which is all the more reason Rick Snyder and Scott Walker should veto these. If the GOP pulls this off Democrats will do this too.

If Snyder and Walker sign these it will almost assuredly go to court. I am not sure these measures are even Constitutional.

#92 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 04:51 PM | Reply

I am not sure these measures are even Constitutional.

In Wisconsin it's a mixed bag. The AG only has the powers granted to him by the legislature, so they can technically neuter his office and remove his ability to take any direction in litigation. It's just that no legislature has previously been so unscrupulous as to actually do that before, and we just has an election where the state chose a Democratic AG whose primary campaign promise was to withdraw us from the lawsuit attakin Obamacare. Now the legislature wants to stop him from doing that.

The provisions they passed affecting the governor's authority are more questionable, but one thing is for sure - it will cost the state millions in legal fees to defend something they should not be doing in the first place.

#93 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 04:58 PM | Reply

"It's just that no legislature has previously been so unscrupulous as to actually do that before"

It's remarkably difficult to build a system that can't be destroyed if the people geanted power by said system seek to destroy it.

It's akin to trying to copy protect software or DVDs when you also have to provide the user legitimate access to the very thing you don't want them to access illegitimately, for purposes of copying.

Republican governance is malfeasance.

#94 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 05:09 PM | Reply

If the GOP pulls this off Democrats will do this too.
#92 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Jeffylube is only against the action if he thinks the democrats will also commit it.

#95 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-06 05:31 PM | Reply

Jeffylube is only against the action if he thinks the democrats will also commit it.

#95 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

Do you enjoy being proven wrong?

Michigan lawmakers are attempting something similar. This is wrong. In both Michigan and Wisconsin it's pretty obvious, based on the timing, that this is being done for short-term partisan purposes.

#85 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-12-06 02:58 PM


Joe,

I'm going to bastardize a quote from Jurassic Park:

"Your legislators were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't bother to ask if they should."

Scott Walker and Rick Snyder need to do the right thing and veto these. I won't hold my breath on Walker.

#96 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-06 06:33 PM | Reply

Yeah, for a brief moment I thought Walker might do the right thing. Then i remembered who he is.

#97 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-06 07:19 PM | Reply

"Let us also not forget all of the pre-dawn raids SWAT of citizens in Wisconsin who had the temerity to support Scott Walker. This measure is tame compared with the malfeasance of Democrats in Wisconsin over the past several years.
#22 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2018-12-06 11:49 AM"

Really? Sounds like excellent grounds for bringing a lawsuit!

Maybe like the one that was thrown out?:

www.courthousenews.com

#98 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-12-07 02:17 AM | Reply

Friendly reminder:

The good people of France got more done this week by threatening politicians with guillotines that you or me or any of us would get done in 2 or 3 lifetimes of voting.

#99 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-12-07 04:05 AM | Reply

RE: #99

The effectiveness of "Old School"!

#100 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2018-12-07 06:11 AM | Reply

Do you remember when war criminal Junior went after the guy who tried to kill his daddy? The French wouldn't play along so we all decided they were -------. went so far as the change the name to Freedom fries. Poured French wine out into the streets Etc.

Watch What Happens when a political party decides that what the voters say just doesn't matter.

Nothing. Nothing will happen. The new cycle today will be all about what Donald Trump tweeted. We will all have forgotten this in a week or so.

In fact, of those who do remember a great many of will be pleased by this.

#101 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-12-07 06:30 AM | Reply

"Let us also not forget all of the pre-dawn raids SWAT of citizens in Wisconsin who had the temerity to support Scott Walker."

Yeah, let's not forget to believe a lie. Repeat it often enough and it become the truth for some, not me though. Jeff has become shameless.

#102 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-07 09:01 AM | Reply

Right, Danni.

Yesterday, with minimal fanfare and attention, the U.S. Supreme Court finally ended one of the most shameful abuses of power in recent American history, rejecting the request of three Democratic prosecutors to restart their so-called "John Doe" investigations of conservative activity in the recall campaign against Wisconsin governor Scott Walker.

www.nationalreview.com

On December 6, the WisDOJ released a 91-page report on the leak, and what it shows is that Wisconsin public officials set up what amounts to a political spying operation

www.weeklystandard.com

Here is some more:

www.nationalreview.com

This was a real thing. It was a gross abuse of power.

#103 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-07 10:10 AM | Reply

the U.S. Supreme Court finally ended one of the most shameful abuses of power in recent American history

The investigation was shuttered by the hyper-partisan Wisconsin Supreme Court, not the US Supreme Court. I wouldn't trust an article to get much of anything right if they can't tell that difference.

The first John Doe resulted in charges and convictions of multiple people for illegal activities on behalf of Scott Walker. The others grew out of that investigation, and if you were honest you'd note that they were inconsequential largely because a gerrymandered legislature changed the law on these investigations, and a partisan AG who was just voted out of office chose only to pursue the people leaking information about the probe and not the probe's targets, despite there being public proof of illegal campaign finance activiies.

#104 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-07 10:51 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

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