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Wednesday, December 05, 2018

Chinese scientist He Jiankui, who shocked the scientific community by claiming he had created the world's first gene-edited babies, has gone missing, according to Chinese media.

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Chinese gov't don't like no grandstanders.

#1 | Posted by Angrydad at 2018-12-05 07:59 AM | Reply

China is just a police state, we should not have our manufacturing done in Nazi Germany or Communist China. Things that come back to bite you in the ass!

#2 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-05 08:44 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Said he found a cure for AIDS, and his claim killed him...

#3 | Posted by catdog at 2018-12-05 10:05 AM | Reply

Holy Sheet Batman

#4 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-05 10:55 AM | Reply

"China is just a police state, we should not have our manufacturing done in Nazi Germany or Communist China."

The big problem with having our manufacturing done in China is that we know for a fact that slave labor is doing much of that manufacturing.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-05 11:21 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-05 11:21 AMFlag: (Choose)FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusive

1%ers don't care

#6 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2018-12-05 01:38 PM | Reply

Said he found a cure for AIDS, and his claim killed him...

#3 | POSTED BY CATDOG AT 2018-12-05 10:05 AM | FLAG:

This is not a cure for AIDS. He is harming people. He should be in jail.

#7 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 02:52 PM | Reply

"This is not a cure for AIDS."
It's better than a cure.
It's immunity.
Presumably the same CB34 or whatever mutation/variant that protects so many Scandinavians from getting infected by HIV.

"He is harming people."
Who?

"He should be in jail."
Show me the harm, then I'll think about it.

#8 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:26 PM | Reply

#8 I thought you were a scientist? wtf are you talking about?

#9 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:38 PM | Reply

NIH statement on human genome editing: www.nih.gov

Jennifer Doudna comment on human genome editing: news.berkeley.edu

CRISPR off-target effects: www.nature.com

There is no need to cure AIDS like this. ZERO need.

#10 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:43 PM | Reply

I'm talking about the natural HIV immunity that some people have.

What are you talking about?

#11 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:44 PM | Reply

There are drugs so good now that HIV levels can be brought below infection level and there are pills to prevent getting HIV.

To shatter a human genome without knowing the number of off-target chromosomal damage events then make a baby, is insane.

#12 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:45 PM | Reply

"There is no need to cure AIDS like this. ZERO need."

Is there a need for Roundup Ready (TM) soybeans?

No.

#13 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:45 PM | Reply

#11 You're simply uninformed. With all due respect.

#14 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:46 PM | Reply

"To shatter a human genome without knowing the number of off-target chromosomal damage events then make a baby, is insane.
#12 | POSTED BY BRUCEBANNER"

Maybe.

"Such a fine line, between clever and stupid."

#15 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:47 PM | Reply

"Is there a need for Roundup Ready (TM) soybeans?"

The ecological damage this technology has led to is a crime against humanity's future.

#16 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:47 PM | Reply

#15 - No. The line is not fine at all. He knew we can't predict the off-targets. He knew.

Would you encourage a mother to drink alcohol or do crack or eat carcinogens?

No, because it could harm the child.

Same principle here.

Your response is a good example of why scientists have to keep this safe from geedy stupid lay people.

First of all, that child was not able to consent to any of this. What if she grows to have some terrible genetic disease we could have never predicted?

#17 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:50 PM | Reply

There will come a time when we should edit human genomes.

Right now, this is not the application. There has to be a balance between harm and benefit.

Then, we need to perfect the technology so that we get the edits we want, and not unintended edits.

Then we have to decide if we all look like george clooney and bella hadid and can do the 40 in 1.5 seconds but get wiped out by the flu.

#18 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 03:53 PM | Reply

Not offended at all.

I haven't paid barely any attention to this, but I do know if I were trying to make a human cell HIV immune, one way would be to try to simply cut out the existing gene and insert the known existing natural mutation (sequence) that has been shown at the molecular level to prevent HIV entering the cell (or however it works).

About that, I don't think I'm speaking from ignorance.

But I don't know if that's what is happening.

#19 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:54 PM | Reply

"Would you encourage a mother to drink alcohol or do crack or eat carcinogens?
No, because it could harm the child.
Same principle here."

But you also can't stop a mother from doing that.

So, you have put different principles in play.

#20 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:55 PM | Reply

"First of all, that child was not able to consent to any of this."

I thought this was being done in a Petri dish or something.

"What if she grows to have some terrible genetic disease we could have never predicted?"

Then we hope it's not contagious.

#21 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 03:58 PM | Reply

Also, probably more like "when she grows to have genetic disease," not so much "if."

Rich people are going to do it regardless.

Remember WhiteDevil, who lives in China because the age of consent is 14, and is working on genetic markers for homosexuality in utero, so Chinese (and presumably others) can know to abort their gay abominations?

Genie ain't going back in.

#22 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 04:01 PM | Reply

"Then we have to decide if we all look like george clooney and bella hadid and can do the 40 in 1.5 seconds but get wiped out by the flu."

I understand, and I agree.

Darwin works in mysterious ways.

Barring the giant asteroid, the greatest threat to the human species is overconsumption and loss of biodiversity by humans.

#23 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 04:03 PM | Reply

Why are scientists up in arms?

Changing the genes in an embryo means changing genes in every cell. If the method succeeds, the baby will have alterations that will be inherited by all of the child's progeny. And that, scientists agree, is a serious undertaking that must be done with great deliberation and only to treat a serious disease for which there are no other options -- if it is to be done at all.

Instead, Dr. He went ahead and disabled a perfectly normal gene, CCR₅. While people who are born with both copies of CCR₅ disabled are resistant to H.I.V., they are more susceptible to West Nile virus and Japanese encephalitis. And there are simpler and safer ways to prevent H.I.V. infection.

-NYT

#24 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 09:31 PM | Reply

More worrying, Crispr often inadvertently alters genes other than the one being targeted, and there are also circumstances, called mosaicism, where some cells contain the edited gene and others do not. Dr. He claimed in a video that Crispr did not affect other genes in the twins and that the babies were "born normally and healthy," but there is no way to know if that is true.

In fact, some of the data Dr. He presented at a conference in Hong Kong, after he announced the birth of the twins, is concerning, several scientists said. For one thing, it indicates that he was able to disable both copies of the CCR₅ gene in only one of the twins, whom Dr. He identified as "Nana." In the other twin, "Lulu," only one copy of CCR₅ was disabled, providing limited, if any, protection against H.I.V., but Dr. He implanted the embryo anyway.

-NYT

#25 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-05 09:33 PM | Reply

"Changing the genes in an embryo means changing genes in every cell. If the method succeeds, the baby will have alterations that will be inherited by all of the child's progeny."

As a scientist I agree, my own ignorance that this necessarily affects germ line cells notwithstanding.

As a person who has seen genetically modified everything unleashed on the planet with zero regard for any externalities I'm not sure why my concern is supposed to be heightened now that people are doing it to people. In fact I think I wish they'd limit it to people and keep it out of food.

Genie's out, either way.

#26 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-05 09:41 PM | Reply

Interesting conversation. Don't want scientists making a bunch of Hulks.

#27 | Posted by JimDuncan at 2018-12-05 11:08 PM | Reply

Better make it illegal then, and with stiff penalties.

#28 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 03:32 AM | Reply

China is just a police state, we should not have our manufacturing done in Nazi Germany or Communist China. Things that come back to bite you in the ass!
#2 | POSTED BY DANNI AT 2018-12-05 08:44 AM

You're talking Apples and McNuggets.

#29 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2018-12-06 12:10 PM | Reply

#28 Yeah that'll stop China from doing it/s

#30 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-12-06 12:28 PM | Reply

If China passed those laws, I bet they would stop it from happening in China.

Unless you don't think a bullet to the back of the skull is a deterrent.

#31 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-06 01:27 PM | Reply

He was eaten by a Genetically Modified Dingo.

#32 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-06 07:29 PM | Reply

Liar vanishes.

#33 | Posted by Tor at 2018-12-06 07:30 PM | Reply

If China passed those laws, I bet they would stop it from happening in China.
Unless you don't think a bullet to the back of the skull is a deterrent.

#31 | POSTED BY SNOOFY

You think China is going to pass a law like that? I don't.

I also don't think they'd waste a bullet to stop someone, they'd just end up making your I-phone......

#34 | Posted by PinkyanTheBrain at 2018-12-07 05:48 AM | Reply

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