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Monday, December 03, 2018

Peter Zeidenberg: It appears that the Mueller investigation is reaching its endgame. After a two-month hiatus for the midterms, special counsel Robert Mueller's team is prepared to once again show its work. These developments are ominous for President Donald Trump.

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Given Pres Trump's tweets this morning regarding Mr Stone and Mr Cohen, I would say that Pres Trump is feeling the walls close in around him.

#1 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-03 11:20 AM | Reply

Damn, that is a crime now?

#2 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 11:45 AM | Reply


@#2 ... that is a crime now? ...

Lots of things are a crime now.

What, specifically, are you referring to?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-03 11:59 AM | Reply

Give Snoops a break. His hero is going down in flames at every turn.

#4 | Posted by 726 at 2018-12-03 12:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

FTA: "In short order, expect to see a case of conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election..."

Snippy: "Damn, that is a crime now?"

#5 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 12:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Lots of things are a crime now.

What, specifically, are you referring to?

#3 | Posted by LampLighter

You damn sure are not the sharpest butter knife in the kitchen. Conspiracy is not a crime.

#6 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 01:24 PM | Reply

#6 Butter knives aren't supposed to be sharp, you very stable genius.

#7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 01:29 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

"You damn sure are not the sharpest butter knife in the kitchen. Conspiracy is not a crime." - #6 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 01:24 PM

18 U.S. Code § 371 - Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Sure looks like conspiracy is a crime.

Oops.

"#6 Butter knives aren't supposed to be sharp, you very stable genius." - #7 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 01:29 PM
Now Comes the Part Where We Throw Our Heads Back and Laugh!

#8 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 02:03 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1


@#6 ... You damn sure are not the sharpest butter knife in the kitchen. Conspiracy is not a crime. ...

Conspiracy
criminal.findlaw.com

...A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. One person may be charged with and convicted of both conspiracy and the underlying crime based on the same circumstances.....

I know that collusion, in and of itself, is not a crime, and that one of the old talking points of Pres Trump's supporters was that collusion is not a crime.

But perhaps conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election is a crime.

#9 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-03 02:29 PM | Reply

Conspiracy is what links a group of actors to a particular crime, it is not the crime itself.

Classic example from law school, the getaway driver, who did not enter the bank, pull a gun or even touch the money, is a co-conspirator since they did "an act in furtherance" of the crime itself.

#10 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 02:40 PM | Reply

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@#10

I agree, you cannot have a conspiracy without a crime. However, if there is a crime then conspiracy is indeed possible (and criminal), which was the gist of the cited article.

Which is why I was wondering what #2 was getting at, and asked for clarification.

#11 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-03 02:49 PM | Reply

Which is why I was wondering what #2 was getting at, and asked for clarification.

#11 | POSTED BY LAMPLIGHTER

We all need to remember snippy is a schizo and most of his replies are directed at comments that don't exist.

#12 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 03:25 PM | Reply

If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Sure looks like conspiracy is a crime.

#8 | Posted by Hans

So what is the crime hands?

#13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 04:07 PM | Reply

The putative Moscow project helps provide motive for Trump to have curried favor with Putin. And once Trump repeatedly and publicly denied having any business interests in Russia, Putin had leverage over Trump, because he knew this claim was an easily disprovable lie.

Here is the problem with the case. It is all based on Trump doing a hotel deal in Russia but he was not doing a hotel deal in Russia. Cohen's new testimony said that he talked to Trump 3 times about a deal in Moscow and wanted Trump to go there to meet with Russian officials. Trump declined (according to Cohen) Trump told Cohen (according to Cohen) that he didn't have any interest in a deal. If there was a signed contract for land in Moscow for a Trump hotel, even a letter of intent then you might have something but this kind of speculation (more like liberal hope) you have nothing. Mueller's only chance is to try to get a perjury trap like with the rest of the indictments and since Trump won't sit down with him it won't happen.
Sorry to rain on your parade

#14 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-03 04:13 PM | Reply

We all need to remember snippy is a schizo and most of his replies are directed at comments that don't exist.

#12 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES AT 2018-12-03 03:25 PM | FLAG:

No, he is just asking a question that non of you can or will not answer because you don't know it.

#15 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-03 04:16 PM | Reply

"So what is the crime..." - #13 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 04:07 PM

You said...

"Conspiracy is not a crime." - #6 | Posted by Sniper at 2018-12-03 01:24 PM
But sure enough,
conspiracy is a crime.

You sure are the sharpest butter knife in the drawer.

#16 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:44 PM | Reply | Funny: 1


@#15 ... No, he is just asking a question that non of you can or will not answer because you don't know it. ...

I don't think anyone will know the specifics of exactly what the crime is until Mr Mueller provides his evidence. At least, that is what I am waiting for.

However, to the point of what I think #2 was asking about, it is stated in the text of the cited article, "... In short order, expect to see a case of conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election to be laid out in court. ..."

"...conspiracy to interfere with the 2016 election..."

#17 | Posted by LampLighter at 2018-12-03 04:45 PM | Reply

Here is the problem with the case. It is all based on Trump doing a hotel deal in Russia but he was not doing a hotel deal in Russia.
#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

You do know the hotel deal is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of everything going on, right?

Why are you pretending it is "all based" on the hotel deal?

#18 | Posted by Sycophant at 2018-12-03 04:51 PM | Reply

When this all goes down republicans -- both elected officials and just regular folks we know -- are going to desperately try to explain why they allowed and/or enabled this.

#19 | Posted by MrSilenceDogood at 2018-12-03 05:45 PM | Reply

Here is the problem with the case. It is all based on Trump doing a hotel deal in Russia but he was not doing a hotel deal in Russia.

No. The case is principally based on Trump taking policy positions that are favorable toward Russia in exchange for computer crimes that helped him win the election. The fact that he also wanted to build things in Russia just makes him look worse, but it is by no means a requirement for him to have committed very unpatriotic crimes.

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-03 05:55 PM | Reply

No, he is just asking a question that non of you can or will not answer because you don't know it.
#15 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

No he isn't. There wasn't even a question in #6. I think you're confusing the voices in your head for a posting by snippy.

#21 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 07:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#6 | POSTED BY SNIPER .............#6 Butter knives aren't supposed to be sharp, you very stable genius.
...................#7 | POSTED BY INDIANAJONES

#7....better a butter knife than a SPORK...LOL

#22 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-12-03 08:48 PM | Reply

Here is the problem with the case. It is all based on Trump doing a hotel deal in Russia but he was not doing a hotel deal in Russia. .................#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

hulla hackbar....when no magnitsky act, then hotel in moscow boychik

#23 | Posted by 1947steamer at 2018-12-03 08:53 PM | Reply

Trump has publicly committed every impeachable offense on twitter which Nixon was charged with (obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress).

But, Congress has changed, and not in a good way.

#24 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-04 12:41 AM | Reply

Sorry to rain on your parade

#14 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

If, as you claim they have not done anything wrong, then WHY do they keep LYING about it sooo much?

Mueller is playing things close to the vest, but the fact that there is so much lying going on makes me believe that there is something that they want to hide from him. And if there is something there, Mueller will find it.

Or do you just think that Republicans are compulsive liars?

#25 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-12-04 08:40 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Funny watching the Trump Nation spin this morning. That spin will become twisting in the wind before long.Too bad. You bought into this piece of crap. Good luck washing off the stink.

#26 | Posted by cbob at 2018-12-04 09:18 AM | Reply

Conspiracy is a very serious crime Sniper.

#27 | Posted by BruceBanner at 2018-12-04 11:25 AM | Reply

You do know the hotel deal is a tiny tiny tiny fraction of everything going on, right?
Why are you pretending it is "all based" on the hotel deal?

#18 | POSTED BY SYCOPHANT AT 2018-12-03 04:51 PM | FLAG:

That is where the Cohen link is coming from.

#28 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 12:16 PM | Reply

No. The case is principally based on Trump taking policy positions that are favorable toward Russia in exchange for computer crimes that helped him win the election. The fact that he also wanted to build things in Russia just makes him look worse, but it is by no means a requirement for him to have committed very unpatriotic crimes.

#20 | POSTED BY JOE AT 2018-12-03 05:55 PM | FLAG:

You mean like the Steele dossiere that Hillary paid the Russians to fabricate to get people to vote for her?

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 12:19 PM | Reply

You mean like the Steele dossiere that Hillary paid the Russians to fabricate to get people to vote for her?

#29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 12:19 PM | Reply

Evidence to date has been the dossier is accurate..

I think we may still get a pee tape.

#30 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-04 12:40 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"You mean like the Steele dossiere that Hillary paid the Russians to fabricate to get people to vote for her?" - #29 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 12:19 PM

When all else fails, lie.

"Evidence to date has been the dossier is accurate.." - #30 | Posted by Zed at 2018-12-04 12:40 PM

#31 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-04 12:46 PM | Reply

#31 You call someone a liar and then site Zed's post as a link. Classic

#32 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 03:25 PM | Reply

#30 and #31 Persistent media efforts to validate the Steele dossier have failed. After an extensive investigation, the Washington Post disguised its disappointment with verbal gymnastics: "Although it's impossible to say that the dossier is entirely inaccurate (there are some glimmers of accurate predictions), it is also impossible to say that it has been broadly validated."

#33 | Posted by fishpaw at 2018-12-04 03:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

You mean like the Steele dossiere that Hillary paid the Russians to fabricate to get people to vote for her?

#29 | POSTED BY FISHPAW

My recollection is that the dossier was released to the public by BuzzFeed in January 2017. Now I am not that good at math, but that seems to be AFTER the election.

So... can you explain again why the Democrats would "pay to fabricate" it if they were not going to use it before the election?

#34 | Posted by gtbritishskull at 2018-12-04 04:25 PM | Reply

Speaking of Roger Stone, his grandson has set up a GOFUNDME account to help pay his grandfather's legal bills.

www.gofundme.com ~ TALE OF WOE & FINANCIAL HARDSHIP

Grap a box of Kleenex before you read this. ~ LOL

If any "rightly" truly wants to help Trump, now is the time. Don't forget to look under your couch cushions. Pennys add up.

#35 | Posted by Twinpac at 2018-12-05 05:01 AM | Reply

You know what this is leading to? Everytime a party gets a President elected, the opposition immediately starts and investigation into the winner. And that "investigation" continues for the entire term, thus putting the President under a cloud of suspicion, even though the President is innocent.

It's this childish time we live in.

There was nothing wrong with Trump, only that he wasnt liberal. And he seemed to have the balls to do what he said. Which cannot be allowed by Democrats. It's our time for power, but the liberals cant have that. We, as conservatives, have a right to be able to lead without interference from liberals. But you liberals will continue to mess and cause the environment we have today. YOU are the reason our country is falling today.

#36 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-05 10:46 AM | Reply | Funny: 1

#36 | POSTED BY BOAZ

We have a divided government. The GOP certainly did its share to thwart Obama's agenda. I don't know why you seem to think it should be any different with Trump in the White House.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-05 10:55 AM | Reply

Seriously, Benghazi alone netted at least 3 separate investigations spanning almost 4 years.

The thing to keep in mind is that high-profile investigations carry political risk. Benghazi ended up being a loser for the GOP. They over-pushed.

Fast forward to today. In recent polling a majority believes, fairly or not, the Mueller investigation is politically motivated.

If Mueller ends up with a nothingburger on Russian collusion it may end up hurting the Democrats.

#38 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-05 11:05 AM | Reply

"Benghazi ended up being a loser for the GOP."

Clinton wasn't even in the military chain of command.

The "investigation" had about the same value as a tire fire.

#39 | Posted by Danforth at 2018-12-05 11:08 AM | Reply

The "investigation" had about the same value as a tire fire.

#39 | POSTED BY DANFORTH

Agreed.

#40 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-05 11:15 AM | Reply

Damn, that is a crime now?

#2 | POSTED BY SNIPER

Conspiracy is a crime.

But, thank Dog there was NO COLLUSION!

#41 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-05 11:28 AM | Reply

If Mueller ends up with a nothingburger on Russian collusion it may end up hurting the Democrats.

#38 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

It is worth the risk.

Conspiracy to defraud and manipulate the American election process is a crime approaching Treason.

It is worth the risk.

#42 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-05 11:31 AM | Reply

"If, as you claim they have not done anything wrong, then WHY do they keep LYING about it sooo much"

Don't be daft. They aren't lying.

They're telling adjustable truths.

#43 | Posted by RevDarko at 2018-12-05 12:50 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

- adjustable truths.

Thanks for the laugh, Rev. Good to see you here.

#44 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-05 12:52 PM | Reply

"If Mueller ends up with a nothingburger on Russian collusion it may end up hurting the Democrats."

Comparing the circus of the Benghazzi investigations with the Mueller investigation is ridiculous. The Benghazzi investigations were entirely just politically motivated attacks on Hillary Clinton. Mueller is investigating things that actually happened, that our President is actually compromised.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2018-12-05 01:02 PM | Reply

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