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The steady flow of immigrants leaving Northern Central America reflects the grim realities of life for millions of children and their families from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. Crushing poverty. Endemic crime. Gang-related violence, extortion and forced recruitment. High rates of domestic violence and sexual abuse of girls. Scarce social services. Limited opportunities to learn, or to earn a living. The desire of children to be with their parents, who are already working in the U.S.

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Crushing poverty. Endemic crime. Gang-related violence, extortion and forced recruitment. High rates of domestic violence and sexual abuse of girls. Scarce social services. Limited opportunities to learn, or to earn a living. The desire of children to be with their parents, who are already working in the U.S.

These are the conditions that prompt men, women and children to abandon their homes and embark on dangerous journeys to destinations to the north and south.

#1 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-02 12:22 PM | Reply

On another thread (about a different topic) boaz said:

"the core root ... needs to be addressed. THAT's the hard part." - #2 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-02 10:11 AM
Well, this article identifies the core root of the immigration problem.

When are we, as a country, going to address it?

#2 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-02 12:23 PM | Reply

Boaz loves taking simple things and making them complicated, so he can then say he's too dumb to figure it out, so it's not his problem to fix.

#3 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-02 12:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"No... they just want to live on my lawn! And take my job at the dog pound!" = Xenofifian

#4 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-02 06:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

The "core root" of the problem was caused by the U.S. There was little gang trouble in those countries until we deported them there.

#5 | Posted by Whatsleft at 2018-12-02 07:14 PM | Reply

Not just migrants. Years ago, one of my neighbors in Miami, CEO of major US chain, Mexico division, directing operations from abroad because nobody with influence wants to live with constant threats.

#6 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2018-12-03 07:34 AM | Reply

Who cares why they flee? Just so they go some where else besides here. Mexico offered these mutts asylum and assistance, but they declined it. We didn't, and we shouldn't. Bye! Buenos Nachos!

#7 | Posted by Spork at 2018-12-03 11:23 AM | Reply

Who cares why they flee? Just so they go some where else besides here. Mexico offered these mutts asylum and assistance, but they declined it. We didn't, and we shouldn't. Bye! Buenos Nachos!

#7 | Posted by Spork

You forgot #americashouldbewhite

Aren't you so thankful to trump that yall don't have to wear your hoods anymore?

#8 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-03 01:56 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"Who cares why they flee? Just so they go some where else besides here."

Hmm. Build a wall that won't help anyone or help other humans escape a life of misery.

The answer is so obvious for compassionate conservatives.

Wasn't there a story in the Bible about a people who were destroyed by God for being inhospitable to strangers?

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..."

#9 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-03 02:50 PM | Reply

Wasn't there a story in the Bible about a people who were destroyed by God for being inhospitable to strangers?

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..."

I thought Sodom's biblical sin was that the populace liked to take it up the butt. Kind of like the mind set of people who vote for Trump.

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-03 03:04 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 2

The whole point of US policy South of the border is to exploit their resources and labor, with some notable exceptions afforded our immediate neighbors Mexico and Canada. Mexico and Canada are permitted to exploit their own resources, especially oil. But when Venezuela does the same we get fighting mad. The USA has overthrown democratically elected Governments in Ecuador and Honduras because that's what Chiquita Banana and Exxon-Mobile(formerly Texaco) want... In Nicaragua we have beat on Ortega with illegal contra-guerillas and blockades until he became compliant. The result is always the same: mass poverty for the many and extraordinary wealth for a few.

#11 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-03 03:22 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Venezuela went from being one of the wealthiest countries in S America to being the most impoverished all on their own. It's what happens when the state attempts to control the means of production.

#12 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-03 03:23 PM | Reply

#10

In the New Testament, Jesus tells a group of hypocritical Jewish priests the story of the good Samaritan who helped a stranger who had been beaten and robbed on the side of the road. Several Jews and priests had already passed him by.

The story angered his audience because Samaritans were considered first century trailer trash by these Jews, and here they were having their nose rubbed in their own hypocrisy.

#13 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-03 03:32 PM | Reply

"And while they are often referred to as asylum-seekers, few of the migrants from Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador – the chief sending countries – are likely to end up winning asylum in the U.S., according to the study by academics at the National Center for Risk and Economic Analysis of Terrorism Events (CREATE) at the University of Southern California, and the Institute for Defense Analyses.

Adults are most likely to come for better jobs, the researchers said. They can improve their incomes by 1,200 percent in moving from Central America to the U.S. Children, meanwhile, are coming for economic opportunities but also to reunite with family already in the U.S., they concluded.

"The standard wisdom [that] it's all about violence could not be supported by our data," said Detlof von Winterfeldt, a researcher at CREATE.

www.americanthinker.com
create.usc.edu

STS incoming in 3, 2, 1...

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-03 03:38 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

Me, I prefer the story of Jonah. He disobeyed God and was subsequently swallowed by a whale. Lot of great practical wisdom in that story. The other one I like is Adam and Eve. Eve did something really stupid and men have been paying for it ever since.

#15 | Posted by moder8 at 2018-12-03 03:40 PM | Reply | Funny: 2

#14

rofl! Dulli posts a rwing spin link from the American Stinker.... and pre-whines about being called on the source.

You just can't make this stuff up.

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-03 04:02 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

STS incoming in 3, 2, 1...

Nailed it, and not a peep from Dorkus of Naples about the linked USC article that was summarized by the American Thinker.

You just can't make this stuff up.

#17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:08 PM | Reply

"RofCheney doing pro bozo werk" incoming in 3, 2, 1...

#18 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:10 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

#16 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-03 04:02 PM

Dulli's American Stinker article specifically states:

USC study shows migrant caravan not about escaping 'violence'
...whereas the second link, the one to the actual study, specifically states:
...evidence on the influence of crime and violence is mixed.
This is definitely one time where STS is more than appropriate.

#19 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:10 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...that was summarized by the American Thinker." - #17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:08 PM

AmericanThinker:

USC study shows migrant caravan not about escaping 'violence'
USC Study:
...evidence on the influence of crime and violence is mixed.
You just can't make this stuff up.

#20 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:13 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Who cares why they flee? Just so they go some where else besides here. Mexico offered these mutts asylum and assistance, but they declined it. We didn't, and we shouldn't. Bye! Buenos Nachos!
#7 | POSTED BY SPORK

Damn boy! Were you wearing your Klan whites when you posted that?

Better get to the border and start burning crosses!

#21 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#19

Uh, no, If you actually read the official report it discusses the primary motivations of the Adult asylum seekers, the influence of crime and violence is mixed because Mexico doesn't offer a significant upgrade in safety to make the migration worth it:

This report assesses whether these migrants would stay in Mexico as a final destination or return home, if seeking asylum in the United States is not an option. The report reviews empirical data and carries out a broad range of statistical analysis to evaluate the motivations of these migrants and the nature of their migratory trip. The core finding that emerges is that any appreciable diversion of these migrants to Mexico is unlikely. Adult asylum seekers have primarily been driven by economic motivations, and juvenile migrants by economic opportunities and reunification with family, and evidence on the impact of crime and violence on juvenile and adult flows is mixed: Mexico does not offer enough gain in economic opportunities and reduction in exposure to crime and violence to justify the costs of migration, and juvenile migrants require family members and networks already present in the destination country that do not exist in Mexico.
Nice try though.

#22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:17 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Venezuela went from being one of the wealthiest countries in S America to being the most impoverished all on their own. It's what happens when the state attempts to control the means of production.
#12 | POSTED BY JEFFJ

Because Venezuela exists in a vacuum. Devoid of external, global factors. Such as sanctions.

Or perhaps you live in a vacuum, devoid of reality.

#23 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"...the primary motivations of the Adult asylum seekers..." - #22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:17 PM

You're trying to defend the American Stinker "summary" as accurate.

The source of that "summary" says something different, your dissembling notwithstanding.

No so nice try though.

#24 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:20 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Here are the Report's main points:

More broadly, the research team found that:
Long-term illegal migration to the United States of adults from Northern Triangle countries has primarily been driven by economic motivations.
• The primary motivations of juvenile migrants from 2011 to the present are economic opportunities and reunification with family that migrated
previously. Evidence on the impact of crime and violence on juvenile migrants is mixed.
• Mexico offers very little economic gain to Northern Triangle migrants, and the increase in income that a migrant could typically expect from migrating to Mexico would not justify the costs of doing so.
Although crime and violence might be a slight contributing factor to migration decisions, and the murder rate in Mexico is significantly lower than in Northern Triangle counties, other data on crime perceptions suggest that Mexico is not perceived as a safer destination, but that the U.S. is perceived as safer.
• Juvenile migrants generally require that other family members already be present in the destination country in order to migrate, and the small populations of Northern Triangle migrants resident in Mexico will not support large flows of juvenile migrants to Mexico regardless of the migrant motivation or U.S. policies on asylum.
• The proximate cause of the timing (i.e., the surge) of juvenile migration is likely related to actual and perceived policy changes in the United States and Mexico.

This report provides a detailed review of the data and analyses conducted by the research team for CBP.

#25 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:21 PM | Reply

Sorry Hans, no dissembly required, my quotes are straight from the Report itself. I haven't even opened the American Thinker article TBH.

#26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:23 PM | Reply

"...the influence of crime and violence is mixed because Mexico doesn't offer a significant upgrade in safety to make the migration worth it..." - #22 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:17 PM

Whereas America does.

Thanks for highlighting that.

Oh, and the American "Thinker" "summary" disingenuously said USC study shows migrant caravan not about escaping 'violence'.

If you actually read the official report you'd know that's not what the study shows.

#27 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

American Thinker ain't fit to use for outhouse paper much less anything else.

#28 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-03 04:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

American capitalists rape south american economies, american racists outraged that south americans flee for a better economy.

#29 | Posted by SpeakSoftly at 2018-12-03 04:25 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

I've highlighted the relevant portions of the Summary from page iv of the actual report, and it basically says that the primary motivator for Adults is economic and that crime and violence might be a slight contributing factor.

Sorry if that ruins your narrative.

#30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:28 PM | Reply

--"RofCheney doing pro bozo werk"

Corkus will always have The Creepy Crypt Keeper to do pro bozo work for him.

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-03 04:28 PM | Reply

"I haven't even opened the American Thinker article TBH." - #26 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:23 PM

You mean the article that states...

USC study shows migrant caravan not about escaping 'violence'
If you actually read the official report you'd know that it says, at least twice...
...evidence on the influence of crime and violence is mixed. ... The study found mixed evidence on the impact of crime and violence on migration from these countries.
"... it basically says that the primary motivator..." - #30 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:28 PM

"Primary motivator..."

You mean there might be other motivators, such as violence?

The American "Thinker" flat-out lies about that.

Sorry if that ruins your narrative.

#32 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:31 PM | Reply

Because Venezuela exists in a vacuum. Devoid of external, global factors. Such as sanctions.
Or perhaps you live in a vacuum, devoid of reality.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-12-03 04:20 PM | REPLY

It's the latter and not the former. He's an ignorant partisan hack that's all.

#33 | Posted by LauraMohr at 2018-12-03 04:39 PM | Reply

I prefer facts to narrative.

Look at the tables on page ix of the Report, most notably the percentage tables, only El Salvador has "violence" as a reason greater than 2%, and that is at 18% for 2017 while it was 0% in 2016. Over the last two years, Guatemala is at 0% for violence as a reason and Honduras is at 1% and 2%. Economic incentives, with the exception of El Salvador in 2017, are all above 97%

#34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:40 PM | Reply

- summarized by the American Thinker.

As I said, rwing spin.... do they not teach reading comprehension at Mother Trump's University for Shysters and Other Con Artists?

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-03 04:49 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 4

"I prefer facts to narrative." - #34 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:40 PM

You admitted that "I haven't even opened the American Thinker article TBH.".

And yet you said,

"Nailed it, and not a peep from Dorkus of Naples about the linked USC article that was summarized by the American Thinker." - #17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:08 PM
Then how did you know it was "nailed"?

I prefer facts to narrative.

#36 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:50 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

He nailed the STS comment, While I wasn't referring to the American Thinker article I just assumed (correctly it turns out) that it summarized the report.

#37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:54 PM | Reply | Funny: 5

" I just assumed (correctly it turns out) that it summarized the report." - #37 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:54 PM

Outright lying is "correctly"?

I see someone has already giving you the first Funny flag for that one.

Oh, and ready, fire, aim, is not a recommended way of commenting.

#38 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 04:59 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Point out the lie, Hans, I still haven't opened the American Thinker article, nor do I plan to.

#39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:04 PM | Reply

I see someone has already giving you the first Funny flag for that one.

WFW incoming in 3, 2, 1...

#40 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:05 PM | Reply

"Point out the lie, Hans..." - #39 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:04 PM

I already did, twice.

Here, and again here, which was a direct retort to one of your comments.

Dementia?

Or are you now going to call the authors of the study liars for their own summary of their own study?

#41 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 05:09 PM | Reply

This study was conducted by White Empiricists!

#42 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-03 05:15 PM | Reply | Funny: 1

LMAO, you need to take a look at the bullet points and tables from the Report itself rather than your deep desire for bias confirmation from your reading of the summary. Here, let me help you:

• Long-term illegal migration to the United States of adults from Northern Triangle countries has primarily been driven by economic motivations.

.
• The primary motivations of juvenile migrants from 2011 to the present are economic opportunities and reunification with family that migrated
previously. Evidence on the impact of crime and violence on juvenile migrants is mixed.

• Although crime and violence might be a slight contributing factor to migration decisions, and the murder rate in Mexico is significantly lower than in Northern Triangle counties, other data on crime perceptions suggest that Mexico is not perceived as a safer destination, but that the U.S. is perceived as safer.

Couple this with the summary of the tables on pg ix of the Report:

"Look at the tables on page ix of the Report, most notably the percentage tables, only El Salvador has "violence" as a reason greater than 2%, and that is at 18% for 2017 while it was 0% in 2016. Over the last two years, Guatemala is at 0% for violence as a reason and Honduras is at 1% and 2%. Economic incentives, with the exception of El Salvador in 2017, are all above 97%"

This is consistent with the summary and quote in Nulli's #14 from one of the Report's authors:

"Adults are most likely to come for better jobs, the researchers said. They can improve their incomes by 1,200 percent in moving from Central America to the U.S. Children, meanwhile, are coming for economic opportunities but also to reunite with family already in the U.S., they concluded.

"The standard wisdom [that] it's all about violence could not be supported by our data," said Detlof von Winterfeldt, a researcher at CREATE."

Over 97% of the stated reasons (except for El Salvador in 2017, which was 79%) for migrating were economic and not violence related, so that "mix" is pretty low from a statistical standpoint.

#43 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:19 PM | Reply

Wait. People fleeing their nations, hoping for asylum in America, will want jobs?!

How odd.

The midterms are over.
Trump stopped caring.
Yet, his racist deplorables are still screaming about this caravan of asylum seekers.
Sad. How easily Trump got you all to expose your hateful natures.

POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK AT 2018-12-02 10:08 PM

#44 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 05:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"They can improve their incomes by 1,200 percent in moving from Central America to the U.S."

The Capitalists can improve their labor costs by 1,200 percent by moving to Central America from the U.S.

Why should there be different rules for two sides of the same coin?

#45 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-03 05:32 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 2

These lazy regugees should get jobs with their cartel and come here as drug mules.

None of this fleeing violent drug cartels nonsense.

#46 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-03 05:40 PM | Reply

#43 - There's that word again "primary"

Let me educate you: Primary =/= exclusive.

Oh, and why mention the fact that it is safer in the US if crime wasn't a motivator?

Son, you've used up all of your excuses on this one.

But do try again.

#47 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-03 05:41 PM | Reply

I'm just posting the facts from the Report Hans, you don't have to like it.

#48 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:46 PM | Reply

Here are some quotes from pgs 108 and 109 of the Report Hans, quibble with them, not me:

"It is not surprising that the United States is the final destination for almost all migrants leaving the Northern Triangle. A migrant can expect to increase their wage by 1,200 percent by going to the United States, but by only 10 percent by going to Mexico. The economic gain from migrating to Mexico is very small and unlikely to justify the cost of migrating."

"Juvenile migrants themselves state that their primary reason for going to the United States is for economic opportunities (Table 5.1.) Evidence from U.S. administrative records (Table 5.4) indicates that most adult Northern Triangle migrants either do not claim asylum or lose their asylum case in immigration court, suggesting that the motivations of these migrants are not related to reasons that would justify an asylum claim, like crime or violence. Family reunification is also a major primary motivation for migrating to the United States. Most Northern Triangle migrants have family members already in the United States (Figure 4.1, Table 4.16). The statistical analysis developed in this study to understand the relationship between root causes and the intention or decision to migrate suggests that family reunification is a key motivating factor, economic opportunity has been the dominant factor that has motivated adult migrants to come to the United States, and family reunification and economic opportunities have played a key role in motivating juvenile migrants.

"Asylum seekers coming to the United States are clearly motivated by economic opportunities and family reunification, with crime and violence conditions as an minor or insignificant consideration in most cases."

#49 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 05:53 PM | Reply

So, RightOCenter.

Why should there be different rules for two sides of the same coin?

#50 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-03 05:57 PM | Reply

I prefer facts to narrative.
#34 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

Facts? Like Nancy Pelosi is the boss of congress?

Or assault is the same as rape?

Perhaps you prefer creating facts to fit your narrative.

#51 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 06:07 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

What's the matter, DeflectoShack? You outraged because The Narrative got destroyed by this study and ROC's explication of it?

#52 | Posted by nullifidian at 2018-12-03 06:19 PM | Reply

You outraged because The Narrative got destroyed by this study and ROC's explication of it?

It's a shame you've got Hans plonked.

He's been doing a good job of educating RoC.

The only thing destroyed are RoC's depends.

#53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 06:24 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

Also. There's nothing wrong with people migrating to America. It's been happening forever.

Perhaps if capitalism actually helped South American nations, there wouldn't be a need for people to seek asylum here.

#54 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 06:27 PM | Reply | Funny: 1 | Newsworthy 1

Here's hoping ROC treats the facts in this study with the same reverence as the one in this thread.

#55 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-03 06:31 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

#55

Deflection noted, and as I said on the exact same thread on this very subject last week when it was first posted, I think Medicare for All is inevitable.

#56 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 07:15 PM | Reply

There's nothing wrong with people migrating to America. ~ Clownshack

This is correct, there is a line though, you don't just cut in front because things are tough in your country.

Some people are paying immigration lawyers up to $30,000 to become legal citizens, unfortunately thats the going rate.

#56 | POSTED BY RIGHTOCENTER

How does this work in their Liberal mind ....

Anyone can get in, and everyone gets Medicare? You can't do that in any socialized medicine country. NONE ...

With OpenBorders that statement about saving BILLIONS is BS.....

#57 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2018-12-03 07:24 PM | Reply

#57 Why are you people so incapable of understanding that there is both legal and illegal immigration? You hear "immigration" and immediately assume border hopping. The only explanation is that you are projecting your own chronic disregard for US rule of law onto the immigrants.

#58 | Posted by IndianaJones at 2018-12-03 07:33 PM | Reply

there is a line though, you don't just cut in front because things are tough in your country.

That's exactly how asylum works. If you're seeking refuge. Then there is no line.

Some people are paying immigration lawyers up to $30,000 to become legal citizens, unfortunately thats the going rate.

Some people can afford $30k. Good for them. They're not seeking asylum.

Perhaps this should be a lesson to capitalists. Take care of your employees.

Anyone can get in, and everyone gets Medicare? You can't do that in any socialized medicine country. NONE ...
With OpenBorders that statement about saving BILLIONS is BS.....
#57 | POSTED BY ANDREAMACKRIS

So. You're in favor of socialism. Welcome.

#59 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 07:56 PM | Reply

"you don't just cut in front because things are tough in your country."

You do if you're rich.

#60 | Posted by snoofy at 2018-12-03 08:11 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

- The Narrative got destroyed by this study

Only in your little pigeon brain.

"Crushing poverty. Endemic crime. Gang-related violence, extortion and forced recruitment. High rates of domestic violence and sexual abuse of girls. Scarce social services. Limited opportunities to learn, or to earn a living."

Are legit reasons they are seeking to use their legal right to apply for asylum; a new life and, work, obviously, Captain Obvious.

But then, you still go around here lying about how there is no labor shortage or record low birth rate and no jobs for them.

How pathetic you've become.

#61 | Posted by Corky at 2018-12-03 11:32 PM | Reply

The same people always telling poor people that if they can't make it where they are they should move are mad because a bunch of people who had no way to make it where they were are moving

#62 | Posted by hatter5183 at 2018-12-03 11:34 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 3

The same people always telling poor people that if they can't make it where they are they should move are mad because a bunch of people who had no way to make it where they were are moving

#62 | Posted by hatter5183

That's because those "same people" are just greedy, self-absorbed POSes who use whatever argument they need to, no matter how contradictory it may be to previous statements they've made, to argue in their favor at that time and place.

Don't ever expect rationality, consistency, empathy or compassion from a righty.

I know you know that, I just wanted to take the opportunity to rub their collective faces in their collective pile of stinking garbage.

#63 | Posted by jpw at 2018-12-04 01:26 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

"Here's hoping ROC treats the facts in this study with the same reverence as the one in this thread." - #55 | Posted by JOE at 2018-12-03 06:31 PM

Cherry Picking

(also known as: ignoring inconvenient data, suppressed evidence, fallacy of incomplete evidence, argument by selective observation, argument by half-truth, card stacking, fallacy of exclusion, ignoring the counter evidence, one-sided assessment, slanting, one-sidedness)

Description: When only select evidence is presented in order to persuade the audience to accept a position, and evidence that would go against the position is withheld. The stronger the withheld evidence, the more fallacious the argument.

It is noteworthy that both RoC and nullicoward point to a single study (and the accompanying American "Thinker" article that lies about the study) as the definitive study, while completely ignoring UNICEF's report (the linked article in this thread).

You know, UNICEF, the organization that has been working with migrant children for over 70 years.

It destroys their Narrative.

#64 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-04 05:56 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

When are we, as a country, going to address it?

#2 | Posted by Hans

Address what? Another country's failure? When did it become our business?

#65 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-04 07:53 AM | Reply

"When did it become our business?" - #65 | Posted by boaz at 2018-12-04 07:53 AM

When did it become our business?

How about, when they're at our southern border, seeking asylum?

I'd say that's our business.

What's the more prudent, conservative course of action:

Repair a hole in the bottom of a boat in the middle of the ocean? Or,

Ensure the integrity of the boat's hull before even leaving dry dock?

When it comes to migration, we're doing the former.

Our business should be doing the latter.

#66 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-04 08:09 AM | Reply

The violence is because of the War on Drugs. Every single country with a refugee exodus is a coca producing state.

The line to end the drug war and legalize cocaine begins ... where exactly?

#67 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-04 08:43 AM | Reply

Because Venezuela exists in a vacuum. Devoid of external, global factors. Such as sanctions.
Or perhaps you live in a vacuum, devoid of reality.

#23 | POSTED BY CLOWNSHACK

When Chavez appropriated all of the refineries and began appropriating other industries en masse you were warned that this would be the result. This is what happens when the state attempts to control the means of production.

#68 | Posted by JeffJ at 2018-12-04 11:23 AM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

While there are complex and compounding reasons for the massive displacements and migrations -- especially rising violence (in places like Honduras, for example, after the 2009 military coup) and systemic poverty -- there is another driver behind the movement of people seeking refuge in the U.S.: climate change.

As the EMT tenderly wrapped an adhesive bandage around Giovanni's feet, Giovanni told me about the droughts back in his home of San Cristobal Frontera. It hadn't rained for "40 days and 40 nights," he said. The crops in the milpas -- subsistence farm plots of corn, beans, and squash -- were wilting, and the harvests failing. The cattle were skinny and dying of starvation. Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador lie in the trajectory of the so-called "dry corridor" of Central America that stretches from Southern Mexico to Panama. This epithet is a recently adopted description of the region, to describe the droughts that have risen in intensity and frequency over the last 10 years.

Most members of the human caravans are from these three "dry corridor" countries.

#69 | Posted by bayviking at 2018-12-04 12:12 PM | Reply

#64

Pot, meet kettle.

*drops a quarter in Hans "Trick or treat for UNICEF" box*

#70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-04 12:20 PM | Reply

"drops a quarter in Hans "Trick or treat for UNICEF" box" - #70 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-04 12:20 PM

STS incoming in 3, 2, 1...

"Nailed it..." - #17 | Posted by Rightocenter at 2018-12-03 04:08 PM

You just can't make this stuff up.

#71 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-04 12:42 PM | Reply

"It's a shame you've got Hans plonked.

"He's been doing a good job of educating RoC.

"The only thing destroyed are RoC's depends." - #53 | Posted by ClownShack at 2018-12-03 06:24 PM

#72 | Posted by Hans at 2018-12-04 12:44 PM | Reply | Newsworthy 1

The line to end the drug war and legalize cocaine begins ... where exactly?

#67 | POSTED BY SITZKRIEG

The line starts in California and extends eastward until it hits a red state. No one needs to "legalize " cocaine. But we do need to stop making it illegal to be human.

#73 | Posted by donnerboy at 2018-12-04 01:38 PM | Reply

#73 | POSTED BY DONNERBOY AT 2018-12-04 01:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Smarmy nonsense. We're funding the violence. Taking in the victims of it, while the right thing to do, doesn't even attempt to address the root cause.

#74 | Posted by sitzkrieg at 2018-12-04 01:45 PM | Reply

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